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<geist>
huh interesting, i found that if I go into /etc/security/limits.conf and raise the allowed nice priority for my user (or everyone)
<geist>
that various apps actually take advantage of it
<geist>
for example chrome sets it's GPU process to -8 and -11 for another one
<geist>
which is probably not a bad thing at all
<geist>
normally you're stuck between 0,20, so you can't really do anything but nice 'negatively' (positive values)
<geist>
it lowers some of the other ones to nice 5 too
<geist>
perhaps background chromes
<geist>
yah seems to do that, when a tab goes in the background it dynamically lowers its priority
<geist>
it *should* make for a smoother system
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<cloudowind>
we are getting warning on tv not to get bitten by mosquitos , apperently hundreds of cases of flesh eating bacteria spreading by mozzy bites , how nice it is
<heat>
semi conductor excellency is in their genes
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<pie__>
yep
<Halofreak1990>
I wouldn't call it excellency in the case of nVidia, when they focus on improving upscaling and buying into the AI fad, instead of improving performance and/or making the hardware more efficient. nVidia's GPUs are the biggest waste of one's money if you ask me
<pie__>
give them a few more cousins and i bet theyd be running intel and arm too
<pie__>
nvidia goes really hard on marketing?<heat> how do you turn AMD around and create RYZEN and people still dont know you? smh
<heat>
how isn't nvidia excellency?
<heat>
their GPUs are the best in the market by far
<heat>
such that AMD isn't even targetting the high end nvidia shit for this next generation
<heat>
the "AI fad" runs on nvidia because, again, their shit is just superior
<heat>
their software is superior, their drivers are pretty high quality *despite* not being FOSS
<Halofreak1990>
"high end
<Halofreak1990>
when the improvement is based on upscaling
<Ermine>
aaaand you can't just run cyberpunk 2077 in 4k without upscaling
<Halofreak1990>
c'mon man
<heat>
even without the upscaling improvement garbo, amd cant touch them
<heat>
it just is what it is
<Ermine>
and people say it has only just enough memory
<Ermine>
for cyberpunk that is
<zid>
memory is the expensive part
<Ermine>
meaning anything next generation wouldn't fit and will require new cards
<zid>
They wanna make money per gpu, every memories they add lowers that
<Ermine>
(not justifying amd in any case)
<Halofreak1990>
they can cut half of the transistors, since gaming doesn't use them
<zid>
if people wanna be retarded and use TAA and 12GB volumetric shadow buffers and shit everywhere that's on the developers imo
<zid>
transistors are free
<zid>
even if it did make up a significant area of the die, it's just market segmentation, everybody does it and always will do
<Halofreak1990>
if they are, then why don't graphics cards have more memory
<zid>
i7s are just xeons with fuse bits
<zid>
because memory costs money
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<Ermine>
just saying, that even though nvidia is superior to amd, it's not great
<Halofreak1990>
you do realize the memory is made of the same transistors as the GPU, right?
<zid>
nvidia has to buy the memory
<pog>
isn't it SDRAM?
<Ermine>
no iirc
<zid>
the cost is in the tape outs and shit, they recover that money via profit margins
<Ermine>
gddr
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<pog>
GDDR _SDRAM_
<Ermine>
oh, gddr is sdram actually
<Ermine>
my bad
<zid>
Once you subtract all of the operating costs, R&D costs etc, adding or losing a few transistors here or there is literally nothing. It's like the cost of the cupholder on a brand new car
<heat>
Ermine, it is the best we have, by far, atm, in semiconductors
<pog>
it's not made of "the same transistors" fwiw-it's made ofewer
<heat>
and this is straight facts
<pog>
with different processes ofc
<Ermine>
I don't deserve to be in #osdev anymore
* pog
offeers Ermine a bagel
<pie__>
dont worry, we all drag eachother down here
<pie__>
welcome to the crab bucket
<Ermine>
heat: best != great
<pog>
i don't drag people down i'm nice
<Halofreak1990>
PNP, NPN, different node sizes, all don't change the fact that it's all transistors
<heat>
intel sucks, amd only does CPUs competently, ARM just does designs and mid CPUs (and good software), qualcomm is okay i guess
<heat>
Ermine, well it is what it is
<pog>
sorry i'm being pedantic and my argument has nothing to do with the conversation lol
<zid>
yea, none of this tech is close to its platonic ideal
<zid>
but nvidia are infact, selling good products using good tech, on the scale of 'things that actually exist'
<pog>
but anyhow, memory does cost money, and it's made in different fabs with different processes that aren't the same as the graphics chips
<pog>
so there is a design-to-cost angle to it
<pog>
it's not entirely arbitrary
<pog>
it's also capitalism too so
<heat>
like, maybe AMD has the moral highground and the open-ish docs and the open kernel driver and the open userspace and the open solutions and "oh look there's freesync, an open standard" but it still fucking sucks, plain and simple
<heat>
it does not work
<zid>
plus just.. you're *not paying for the transistors*
<zid>
same as you're not paying for the molten steel in a car
<zid>
you're paying for *all the other crap*
<heat>
the hardware is also plainly worse
<pog>
yes, the processes, the packaging, the shipping, assembly
<zid>
the design, the fab, the masks, the lasers, the washing, the water, the shipping, etc
<zid>
is where 99% of the money goes
<Ermine>
not arguing on this one
<pog>
zid i said half of tose things already
<zid>
shut up pog I will fite you
<heat>
>the washing,
<pog>
bring it on bitch
<heat>
no one on IRC does any of that
<zid>
pog: meet me under an oak tree
<heat>
>the water
<heat>
again, 0 cost for IRC people
<pog>
:< not fair
<zid>
pog forfeits
<pog>
you kno wwe don't have those here
<Ermine>
actually I wouldn't care about amd if not linux
<pog>
would you settle for an anemic birch?
<zid>
silver or riot
<heat>
Ermine, for FOSS stacks i prefer intel
<heat>
over amdgpu mumbo jumbo
<heat>
intel might be going through some tough times but intel software is usually really fucking solid
<zid>
I prefer intel's like.. support? It's just a shame they don't make products I want anymore
<Ermine>
i'd say yeah
<zid>
I don't want 32 e-cores and 16 pci-e lanes
<heat>
i really want intel's dgpus to succeed
<Ermine>
same here
<zid>
Yea I love the look at them
<zid>
I hope they don't kill the product
<zid>
They're downscaling a bit already, it seems like a prime target, because it makes no money atm
<zid>
but if they start replacing GT210s and mid-range desktop gpus in prebuilts etc, which they're *close* to being able to do, it should make money
<Ermine>
but, as for now, I have a desktop and I want to play games and run linux there. So I think amd strikes balance
<zid>
amd + linux?
<zid>
wat
<heat>
if it got axed i would understand why
<zid>
same, but I hope it doesn't
<heat>
it's a nice idea at the worst possible time
<heat>
we can only pray and fast for intel
* Ermine
goes praying and fasting for intel
<Ermine>
and for chips act
<heat>
we're like two weeks away from maga hat pat gelsinger trying to get funding from the gov
<zid>
dw, trump just bailed out openai etc
<zid>
so nvidia isn't going under at least
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<bslsk05>
www.gog.com: Willkommen bei GOG.com | beste PC-Spiele DRM-frei
<FireFly>
bslsk05: gesundheit
<childlikempress>
gog, gog, gog... --sound i make while my head gets pushed down in the bathtub :3
<FireFly>
uhm
<FireFly>
I think ideally you want to keep yer head above the water
<gog>
it's me pushign their head underwater
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<childlikempress>
🥺🥺🥺
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* cloudowind
blows towards gog
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<nikolar>
KERNL
<pog>
KORNAL
<pie__>
cant hev KERNOL without NO
<pie__>
pog and gog walk into a bar
<pog>
no we don't
<zid>
pog have tree
<zid>
is impossible dream
<pog>
:(
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<cloudowind>
a kernel that will save the world , now this might be an impossible dream
<cloudowind>
when i asked this question to chatgpt ive got very interesting resolutions , i asked , how linux kernel can change the whole world and humanity ?
<fedaykin>
what was the answer?
<cloudowind>
:)
<Ermine>
by establishing communism ofc
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<heat>
capitalist utopia solaris vs communist utopia linux
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<pog>
mutualist utopia illumos
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<Ermine>
what utopia is windows
<Ermine>
or will people say that's dystopia?
<nikolar>
yes
<pog>
it's cyberpunk 2073
<ring0_starr>
asking chatgpt about osdev questions
<ring0_starr>
hooooooooooooooooooooooooooly
<ring0_starr>
this is a dystopia without a doubt
<fedaykin>
linux kernel can change the world by releasing a new version, hahaha