<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: That's because the vast majority of Singaporeans are ethnically Chinese, who would emotionally get absolutely destroyed if they still do an excellent job, but not good enough to be perfect.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: I don't think Theo got the injection. If he did, he would plaster his "get the jab" messaging all over the place like both Linus and Richard did. NetBSD even wrote a man page about it.
<remiliascarlet>
Well, they took it down at least.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Looks like a Japanese samurai wearing a vest and Joker's pants, being tied up with a katana stabbed into the top of his head and someone patting him on the head
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<SiFuh>
pew pew ppetrov^
<ppetrov^>
heh
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<zorz>
lo
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<remiliascarlet>
zorz: You know why I don't like to use Debian? Because it's getting on my nerves every time.
<remiliascarlet>
Nothing works.
<zorz>
hello
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: is a way i can help you with that ?
<remiliascarlet>
There's way too much.
<zorz>
where did it upset you ?
<remiliascarlet>
Everywhere.
<zorz>
ok. i think debian with sysvinit and dwm as you use.. is a descent linux distro.
<remiliascarlet>
It's a server, so no DWM.
<remiliascarlet>
If you use Debian as a desktop, you have to be a special kind of miserable.
<zorz>
myself o do not use that box... only like the other day i need openoffice, gimp, inkscape... just install them do my job and uninstall.
<zorz>
hahaha
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: special kind of miserable.
<zorz>
never setup debian as a server. my cloud server in hetzner i use debian... and works fine.
<zorz>
i have this server running from january.
<remiliascarlet>
I'd rather run FreeBSD as a desktop, because at least most of the packages are being kept up to date.
<zorz>
did not try, but i will agree with you
<zorz>
before going to island i will give it a try.
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: may i show you something cool i scripted now.
<zorz>
?
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: what actually serves your debian box ?
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<remiliascarlet>
Mostly legacy systems.
<zorz>
meaning ? sshd ? niginx? php?
<remiliascarlet>
Over the past few years, I've been setting up FreeBSD and OpenBSD servers instead, and only have a few Debian severs left for very critical applications that can't be taken down even for a second.
<remiliascarlet>
"meaning ? sshd ? niginx? php?" None of which are legacy systems.
<zorz>
what is legacy system... this is what i ask?
<zorz>
ok i got... so if debian works ok... no need for update.
<zorz>
parenthesis, can you please send in the channel a random youtube url aswell.
<remiliascarlet>
Rather, it won't work on modern systems, so better keep it on old, unsupported OS version and have it working guaranteed, than to change things up, and cause massive fucking outages.
<zorz>
this is an issue
<remiliascarlet>
Dafuq you mean?
<remiliascarlet>
A common example of a legacy social platform is YouTube, Fakebook, Twitter, or Reddit.
<zorz>
(i check the url opener that i script in mailcap... if url has watch in it open with ffplay other wise firefox. just finished.)
<remiliascarlet>
The modern alternatives are PeerTube, Friendica, Mitra, and Lemmy respectively.
<zorz>
you said legasy and my mind went to pascal, msdos, basic, basic files
<remiliascarlet>
And mainstream media is often refered to as "legacy media" because of the outdated format, and the fact they're so full of shit that literally nobody takes them seriously anymore.
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: i believe you have a point... people go away from legacy media. basically go away from social media as we know them.
<zorz>
Satyros = Σάτυρος first known was Aristophanes= Αρηστοφάνης. with Όρνιθες=chicken.
<zorz>
./url :Pp
<zorz>
yes it warks it opens videos on top of irssi
<zorz>
but locks the typing... i need to add at the end &
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: is freebsd fast as debian ?
<remiliascarlet>
Way faster,\.
<remiliascarlet>
In fact, FreeBSD's main priority is performance.
<zorz>
ok... 2-3 days the csv... then the site.... then freebsd
<zorz>
i did not know that in .mailcap you can add shell commands like application/octet-stream; /usr/local/bin/yt-dlp -o - '%s' | ffplay -; description=YouTube Video; test=test -n :0;
<remiliascarlet>
Just like with OpenBSD, the only way to know if it's worth anything is to run it for yourself, whether on some machine, a VPS, or a VM.
<zorz>
but this command redirects all to ffplay so i did this application/octet-stream; $HOME/check_url.sh '%s';
<zorz>
for me VPS or VM is like Greek to you. or better my English :)
<zorz>
never VM, qemmu, VPS things like that never in my life.
<remiliascarlet>
Vaping Porn System and Verdict Murderer.
<zorz>
it was windows and then became archlinux.
<zorz>
HAHAHAHA
<zorz>
vERDICT mURDERER
<zorz>
lol
<remiliascarlet>
Venezuelian Masturbater.
<remiliascarlet>
Vegetarian Malaysian.
<zorz>
Vegetarian Malaysian i prefer :)
<zorz>
when SiFuh online i will tell him... hello VM
<remiliascarlet>
Vegan Primary Slaughter.
<zorz>
I like your vocabulary... very sophisticated!
<zorz>
did not ask guys.. all ok with the earhquake ? not in japan in New G.
<remiliascarlet>
We've had so many earthquakes lately, hard to know which specific one you mean.
<remiliascarlet>
Also, thus far it seems like #monero is a pretty decent IRC channel, but one of the mods there can be pretty anal if you don't talk about Monero outside of #monero-offtopic.
<zorz>
last night 6.9 New Go
<remiliascarlet>
Let me check, because I can't remember any earthquakes today.
<zorz>
i am not a computer guy, ok i find my way... i can do python is my hobby. but coputer people have serious problems.
<zorz>
Earthquake of magnitude 6.9 strikes Papua New Guinea
<remiliascarlet>
Ah, that's why I didn't know anything about that.
<zorz>
i was afraid of tsunami
<remiliascarlet>
Are you in Papua New Guinea?
<zorz>
ofcourse not
<remiliascarlet>
Then why are you afraid of tsunami?
<zorz>
I am a humanitarian... i stand with people in Papua
<remiliascarlet>
It's like saying "I'm physically in Japan, and I got burned by a volcano that erupted in Italy 2 minutes ago, because I'm a humanitarian".
<remiliascarlet>
Didn't know you could flee a tsunami in Papua New Guinea all the way in Greece.
<remiliascarlet>
Speaking of Python, I was playing around with Matrix's Sydent (identity server) which is written in Python, literally can't get it to work, because Python keeps throwing errors, and they provide no documentation at all.
<remiliascarlet>
This is why I got to appreciate the BSD's more, because it doesn't matter if it's FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, or Dragonfly BSD, one thing they all have in common is that they consider a lack of documentation to be the same as a dangerous exploit.
<zorz>
let me check it... first time i heard of that
<remiliascarlet>
And they're right about it, so many software problems are caused by a lack of proper documentation.
<zorz>
oooo yes. I even started to read RTFM... take my time. I am not anxious as before.
<remiliascarlet>
This is also why Javascript developers will probably never feel at home in the BSD realm.
<zorz>
i did a little bit of java with ai help.
<remiliascarlet>
I only use C, Go, and PHP.
<remiliascarlet>
Gave up on Zig.
<remiliascarlet>
Zig has lots of potential, but the lack of documentation is really killing the language.
<zorz>
if you use C take this calm status please add apm -l and make it to load xith xsession xinitrc not after manually :)
<zorz>
it works nice... but... i have to load it... once iam in cwm manually
<remiliascarlet>
I don't intend on maintaining software I don't use.
<zorz>
ok i pass
<zorz>
sydent has documentation
<remiliascarlet>
Where?
<zorz>
how you run sydent ? python env, poetry? docker?
<remiliascarlet>
In an alternative universe?
<remiliascarlet>
I tried all options, and each one of them come with their own problems.
<zorz>
it says something for bind.... so you need to adjust it on your dns server
<zorz>
let me make an enviroment
<zorz>
rarely use enviroments i even forgot the command.
<remiliascarlet>
doas su - matrix > cd sydent > /home/matrix/.local/pipx/venvs/poetry/bin/poetry run sydent > "WARNING: You have not specified a server name." (which is a blatant lie), "sydent.http.httpcommon - 52 - WARNING - No HTTPS private key / cert found:" (no documentation on how to set it up)
<remiliascarlet>
"Works out of the box" > "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'prometheus_client'"
<SiFuh>
That comment at the bottom is it suppose to be there?
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: it is still running if you want to check something else
<zorz>
otherwise rm -rf sydent.
<SiFuh>
rm -rf zorz
<zorz>
SiFuh: i love you
<SiFuh>
Just put a chick in it, and make it fucking gay as fuck.
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: the only fault was prometheus.
<remiliascarlet>
shred -fz phython
<zorz>
again fuckin greek
<remiliascarlet>
shred -fzu python
<zorz>
python3 is the correct
<zorz>
:Pp
<remiliascarlet>
shred -fzu python3
<zorz>
./which shred
<zorz>
:PPppp
<remiliascarlet>
The "shred" command is GNU specific.
<remiliascarlet>
Doesn't exist on the BSD's, at least not out of the box.
<zorz>
when in arch i had wipe
<zorz>
wipe was good... not for big files!
<remiliascarlet>
zorz: I figured out what the problem was.
<remiliascarlet>
Those fucking niggers put everything from the config under "[DEFAULT]", and reading the source code line by line, looks like that won't work.
<remiliascarlet>
You have to move everything to the correct heading for it to work.
<remiliascarlet>
So once again, documentation is important.
<zorz>
the point is that you found the solution.
<remiliascarlet>
Yes, and how long did it take to find it?
<zorz>
so remiliascarlet i destroy the sydent bullshit ?
<remiliascarlet>
This just happens to be a learning project, but if this were to be done in a professional setting, I would probably have been fired by now.
<zorz>
but the question of the day is.... why in openbsd i cannot do source myenv/bin/activate ... again no csv today lol
<remiliascarlet>
Because Python developers have humanity.
<zorz>
rem be carefull with pypi. its full of bad actors.
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<zorz>
SiFuh: i did this nice script, that opens urls. checks if you url has watch in it which is standard and opens with yt-dlp ffplay. the problem is that as long the video plays cannot use irssi. one solution tmux... the other passing & WTF
<SiFuh>
zorz: nohup
<SiFuh>
For example. With MidnightCommander, I use 'nohup mpv --really-quiet %f > /dev/null 2>&1 &'
<SiFuh>
man nohup(1)
<zorz>
yes i thout of that
<zorz>
i run nohup in my server thats how i load uvicorn
<SiFuh>
Wish I could run zorz > /dev/null 2>&1
<SiFuh>
HAHAHA
<zorz>
let me do noHAHAHAH
<zorz>
lets see if it works in perl.... Irssi::settings_add_str("misc", "urlgrab_command", "nohup run-mailcap '%s' > /dev/null 2>&1");
<zorz>
15:50:24 -!- Irssi: Error in script notify:
<zorz>
15:50:24 Undefined subroutine &Irssi::Script::notify::encode_entities called at /home/zorz/.irssi/scripts/autorun/notify.pl line 26.
<zorz>
nope... i need to add it in the sell script
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<zorz>
SiFuh: i did not know that run-mailcap can run shell commands like this #application/octet-stream; /usr/local/bin/yt-dlp -o - '%s' | ffplay -; description=YouTube Video; test=test -n :0; so what i did is this application/octet-stream; $HOME/check_url.sh '%s'; and here is the script https://paste.opensuse.org/
<zorz>
nohup cannot run the fuction of the script... so i will pass it straight.
<farkuhar>
heh, these yt-dlp experiments are reminding me of all the contrib ports that stenur once maintained. Some of those ports are still in contrib (with a new maintainer), while others like yt-dlp were unceremoniously dropped.
<zorz>
guys the only rust application that i run is run-mailcap-rs. This boy did good work. cargo build copy the target run-mailcap-rs as run-mailcap in /usr/local/bin write an alias run. et Voila! openbsd with emacs like xdg-open and open. I do my job with run-mailcap and run
<SiFuh>
Hmmm, unceremoniously? Was there any port dropped with a ceremony?
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: if the git commit message has more than one paragraph, I'd consider it a ceremony.
<SiFuh>
So like ppetrov^s hexchat
<zorz>
hahahaha
<zorz>
after the funeral are the 40 days!
<farkuhar>
Is that why ppetrov^ isn't here today? Mourning the loss of his beloved IRC client?
<SiFuh>
Hehe
<zorz>
WINE and mIRC for ppetrov^
<SiFuh>
Windows XP and PIRCH for zorz
<zorz>
actually my first code was in mirc back in 2000. i took the prantic script of a jewish guy, change it to use https proxies for clones and my botnet used to pass the proxy check. 300-400 users in a channel flooding
<zorz>
HAHAHA
<zorz>
my isdn was so hot that i used to put ice on top
<SiFuh>
Fscking script kiddies
<zorz>
it was a joy man!
<SiFuh>
I never used PIRCH or mIRC
<SiFuh>
I used XChat, Pidgin and irssi
<zorz>
but before i tried weechat... is good is like mirc
<zorz>
for bsd weechat has more dependancies than irssi... so i changed to irssi.
<SiFuh>
The young girl is funny. On Wednesdays she turns up in pink
<zorz>
america or australia ?
<SiFuh>
USA
<zorz>
i think no black people in the outlet
<zorz>
let me rewind
<SiFuh>
None in that video
<zorz>
strange.... which place in usa?
<SiFuh>
We do off road towing, recoveries, and rescues. We cover beautiful southern Utah, near Zion National park.
<zorz>
Utah!
<remiliascarlet>
Back during the 鎖国 era, there were no black people in Japan.
<SiFuh>
Chinese ate them all before they could row their boats accross
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I read years ago, when I was in China that the first emperor of China was black and that Mandarin language came from Manding language from Western Africa.
<zorz>
guys I have nothing on them. I like them... but in general.... they have issues. What I noticed when in states the Northern you go the less you see. and in New Hamphsire none of them.
<SiFuh>
I met a beautiful black woman today. Shook her hand.
<SiFuh>
She reminded me of a slim version of Jill Scott.
<zorz>
SiFuh: i do not like when i see kids in africa
<SiFuh>
Why? You want to see adults only?
<zorz>
i feel sorry
<SiFuh>
Because they are happy and live a less stress free life?
<zorz>
iam sorry when i see them.
<zorz>
if are happy i am happy....
<SiFuh>
I think you are a bit naive about the reality of third world coutnries
<zorz>
if in congo or ivory coast... isnt it ivory coast with the dictator ?
<SiFuh>
You talking about the child chocolate bean slaves?
<zorz>
be back in a while... coffee break... + bonus cigarette
<zorz>
and not only.
<zorz>
bb in a while
<SiFuh>
That's a different circumstance and if you look deeper you will realise it is the giant corporations that allowed it to happen so you clowns can enjoy a chocolate bar.
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<SiFuh>
This video is the first video where she actually rides with a local behind her.
<zorz>
back
<SiFuh>
front
<zorz>
magadaskar
<zorz>
so many places i have not been.
<SiFuh>
Maga? Daskar?
<SiFuh>
Make America Great Again Daskar?
<zorz>
hahahahaha
<zorz>
tell me .. remiliascarlet told me freebsd is way faster than debian... is that truth ?
<zorz>
cyclone season
<zorz>
the guy upfront is local, correct ?
<zorz>
ooooooo the mercedes benz truck
<zorz>
we had those in greece 80s
<zorz>
green color
<zorz>
i switched to news
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<remiliascarlet>
zorz: Yes, I can confirm these claims to be 100% accurate.
<zorz>
ok :-)
<zorz>
which version ?
<remiliascarlet>
14.0-p5, which is the latest version.
<remiliascarlet>
If you have an AMD card, make sure you don't install the latest DRM version, because that one causes the OS to kernel panic like a motherfucker.
<remiliascarlet>
1 version older runs without problems.
<zorz>
intel core duo with 210 nvidia
<zorz>
should be fine with drivers
<remiliascarlet>
Handbook also recommends to write a config file for video drivers, but to me that actually breaks Xorg, and Xorg works perfectly without one.
<zorz>
i checked the download page and i got confused with the dates
<remiliascarlet>
Release is the most stable one.
<remiliascarlet>
All the other branches are in development builds.
<zorz>
13.3 is more recent than 14
<remiliascarlet>
Because 13.x and 14.x are both actively maintained.
<remiliascarlet>
13.3 is basically a backport.
<zorz>
no i need stable like debian lts
<zorz>
what is the lts version of freebsd.
<remiliascarlet>
Then 14.0-RELEASE-p5.
<remiliascarlet>
There is no LTS.
<zorz>
ok
<zorz>
i mean like lts.
<remiliascarlet>
You can however upgrade and downgrade versions whenever you want.
<zorz>
you know when i upgrade openbsd because of the format of the boot partition.... i had to reinstall patches.
<remiliascarlet>
As I said, there are no LTS releases.
<zorz>
tomorrow night, when i will get tired with csv
<remiliascarlet>
But as you can see, 14.x is supported until November 2028, 13.x is until January 2026.
<zorz>
freebsd, with cwm...
<remiliascarlet>
"Under the current support model, each major version’s stable branch is explicitly supported for 5 years, while each individual point release is only supported for three months after the next point release."
<zorz>
it will be ok. shit i forgot why in openbsd python activate env why not work... need to read.
<remiliascarlet>
During installation you can choose between UFS and ZFS filesystems, ZFS is highly recommended.
<remiliascarlet>
ZFS is a god-like filesystem.
<zorz>
which is faster for scsi disk ?
<remiliascarlet>
Definitely ZFS.
<zorz>
ok zfs then
<remiliascarlet>
UFS is old, but it's the standard in Unix systems.
<zorz>
since microsoft azure runs in freebsd... microsoft trusts freebsd we go there
<zorz>
:)
<remiliascarlet>
Microsoft has its funding in everything nowadays.
<zorz>
linux... i pay 15 euro a month... have a good server.
<zorz>
hetzner on the frankfurt cable/line boy is fast.
<remiliascarlet>
But I think that's fine. Companies pay Linux to manipulate it to their benefit. They don't have to do so with the BSD's, because the BSD license allows them to just come, steal code as they please, and fuck off.
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: gnu is similar to bsd ?
<zorz>
or by saying linux you mean gnu ?
<remiliascarlet>
The biggest strength of GPL license is that it makes sure your code can't be used for evil, the biggest weakness is that because of this, companies will put lots of effort into manipulation, bribary, and everything else to their own benefit.
<remiliascarlet>
No, GNU is not similar to BSD.
<remiliascarlet>
By saying Linux, I mean Linux.
<zorz>
i knew GPL, GNU, BSD, MIT... not Linux
<remiliascarlet>
They pay GNU too, but I see far more manipulation happening on the Linux kernel side.
<remiliascarlet>
How do you use CRUX, Alpine, and Debian if you've never heard of Linux before?
<zorz>
told you... openbsd and Haiku
<zorz>
Linux lisence
<remiliascarlet>
Nobody was talking about a Linux license.
<zorz>
do not remind me Alpine... broke on an update.
<remiliascarlet>
And there is no GNU license either.
<zorz>
ok to summarize
<remiliascarlet>
Both GNU tools and Linux kernel are released under a GPL license.
<zorz>
GPL, BSD & MIT are the lisences?
<SiFuh>
Licences
<zorz>
now i understand
<remiliascarlet>
That's some of the more famous ones, yes.
<zorz>
GPL linux, BSD is BSD
<remiliascarlet>
There's also Apache, Mozilla, ZLIB, WTFPL, and many others.
<zorz>
Apache yes.. Mozilla yes... i like BSD and MIT
<remiliascarlet>
And Creative Commons, and Boost Software License, and Eclips Public License.
<remiliascarlet>
s/Eclips/Eclipse
<zorz>
FreeBSD-14.0-RELEASE-amd64-mini-memstick.img i will go with that
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: shall i try haiku on that box ?
<zorz>
hahaha
<remiliascarlet>
zorz: Last time I tried Haiku, installation was completed within a few seconds, but immediately crashed after reboot.
<remiliascarlet>
And Haiku isn't Unix and neither do they consider themselves Unix-like, although it does feel quite a bit Unixy to me.
<zorz>
i thought unix... better free bsd to learn it
<zorz>
you never know...
<SiFuh>
Licence
<zorz>
lice
<remiliascarlet>
Lick.
<SiFuh>
Yes Rich Louse
<zorz>
lentil soup
<SiFuh>
The Mosquito Coast
<zorz>
the series
<SiFuh>
Started
<SiFuh>
S01E01
<zorz>
Rich Louse
<zorz>
hahahaa
<zorz>
i neverr noticed the nicknames in suse paste
<SiFuh>
Louse = one and lice = more than one
<zorz>
lice = many why you make things coplicated ?
<SiFuh>
I have never had lice in my life. I had one louse that came from my sisters head but no lice.
<zorz>
ooo I see he speaks maths computer maths more than !
<SiFuh>
They like hair that has been shampooed :-P
<zorz>
hahahahahahahhaahahahahhahaha
<zorz>
SiFuh: after Putins conference you heard what the cameras caught? off the record! He said I will fuck you BUSTARDS!
<SiFuh>
Mosquitoes, lice and leeches don't seem to like me
<SiFuh>
BUSTARDS?
<zorz>
SiFuh: has to do with the blood
<SiFuh>
It is a lot more than that dude
<farkuhar>
zorz: lentil soup? Is that what you made for dinner, or another one of the suse paste nicknames?
<zorz>
farkuhar: I like lentil soup... but not tonight
<SiFuh>
Soup?
<remiliascarlet>
Soap?
<zorz>
souple!
<SiFuh>
soufle dude
<SiFuh>
Souffle
<farkuhar>
lentil soup doesn't sound like a typical suse paste nickname. Usually the second word is an animal of some kind.
<zorz>
ooo Monsieur SiFuh votre soufle svp
<zorz>
farkuhar: I am Rich Louse
<SiFuh>
I am not a fan of anything floating in liquids
<zorz>
according to opensuse
<zorz>
SiFuh: clam chowder
<SiFuh>
In the emergency service back in the 90's we use to pull dead humans and animals out of rivers, lakes, ponds and pools. They was enough to put me off food floating in water
<SiFuh>
Clam Chowder is great.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Is chowder even considered a soup?
<SiFuh>
Stews are thicker and heartier, soups are lighter and broth-based, and chowders are creamy and often seafood-focused.
<zorz>
in Boston I used to eat a lot.. Clam Chowder to start, Lobster Entree, fudge ice cream
<SiFuh>
zorz: My mother was in emergency service with me. She doesn't eat chowder. But it has nothing to do with emergency services
<SiFuh>
zorz: My father is from RI so Clam Chowder is a common love. Unfortunately I can't find Quahogs here.
<zorz>
improvise... use a substitute
<SiFuh>
zorz: I do
<zorz>
SiFuh: this morning i woke up.... and I ws in desperate need of cinnabon rolls....
<SiFuh>
In fact, it was so good the neighbours stole so many bowls of it.
<SiFuh>
Hahaha
<zorz>
hahaha
<SiFuh>
I used the local oysters instead
<zorz>
you can use and crab legs...
<SiFuh>
No
<zorz>
need to clean them
<zorz>
should be tasty
<SiFuh>
I want Clam Chowder
<zorz>
Clam Chowder when in states!
<SiFuh>
Not tasty crab leg chowder
<zorz>
I like the way you do it no dignity...
<zorz>
SiFuh: what is Dignity ?
<SiFuh>
What I have and you don't
<zorz>
hahahha
<zorz>
what is this ? hahahahahahaha
<zorz>
youtube has an application sw.js. i do not know what this thing does.. but looks like in sandboxed firefox it copes. so if you can yt-dlp its better.
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<SiFuh>
zorz: The story line is different from the movie
<farkuhar>
remiliascarlet: your problems with matrix-sydent are a great example of python's extremely fragile environment, where "updates often lead to incompatibilities and runtime crashes" (https://preslav.me/2023/11/27/python-is-easy-golang-is-simple-simple-is-not-easy/). Not surprising that the sydent authors don't bother to provide adequate documentation, if the ecosystem keeps changing under their feet.
<SiFuh>
What was wrong with python so they updated to python 2 and what was wrong with python 2 they had to move to python 3?
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: in my dialect, every stew can be considered a soup, but not every soup is a stew. You communicate more information by using the narrower descriptions "stew" or "chowder", rather than the catchall term "soup".
<zorz>
farkuhar: this can happen in any enviroment not only python.. look linux :Ppp
<SiFuh>
I don't consider chowder a stew or a soup.
<zorz>
chowder is a soup. not consome. Definetely not stew.
<zorz>
SiFuh: chowder is like a veloute soup.
<SiFuh>
Chouter is more of a baked good
<SiFuh>
Chowder is a thick soup prepared with milk or cream
<SiFuh>
Heh, soup
<SiFuh>
What about flour
<zorz>
thats why i told you veloute... not consome
<zorz>
i was doing source as in linux... thats why could not get it in openbsd.
<SiFuh>
A velouté sauce is a savory sauce that is made from a roux and a light stock. It is one of the "mother sauces" of French cuisine listed by chef Auguste Escoffier in the early twentieth century, along with espagnole, tomato, béchamel, and mayonnaise or hollandaise. Velouté is French for 'velvety'. In preparing a velouté sauce, a light stock, such as veal, chicken, or fish stock, is thickened with a
<SiFuh>
blond roux. Wikipedia
<zorz>
soup
<SiFuh>
You said veloute before?
<zorz>
NO SAUCE!
<SiFuh>
It
<SiFuh>
It's a sauce. I know this one
<zorz>
there is sause and there is soup
<zorz>
when soup thick creamy or blended call it veloute.
<SiFuh>
Here is the American version of the same movie
<zorz>
no more american... as you see the fall of quality in hollywood is the mirror of the american society.
<zorz>
funny part is that they think they will move to the moon HAHAHAHA
<SiFuh>
My friend from France loves Les Visiteur. When I told him there was an American version also with the two main stars he refused to watch. Said it will be shit. One day he had nothing to watch and I offered it to him and he said he will try. Next day he came back and said it was so funny he was pissing his pants laughing.
<zorz>
ARE YOU A FRIEND WITH SOMEONE PISSING HIS PANTS ?
<SiFuh>
It's a saying
<zorz>
ok
<SiFuh>
You laugh so much you pee your pants
<zorz>
not literally
<SiFuh>
He always says to me "I piss myself laughing"
<SiFuh>
What is this Macron doing lifting weights?
<SiFuh>
I'll box with him if he pays my ticket there and back
<zorz>
you know what happen to me last night... ok you left and i finish hacking the notify.pl and urlgrab.pl scripts for irc... and later i set up properly my run-mailcap... but before that i saw the earthquake 6.
<zorz>
9
<zorz>
i was worried for you... maybe tsunami
<SiFuh>
Worried for me?
<zorz>
yeah Macron i told you the other day plays Box in insta... tryes to mimic Putin with Judo
<zorz>
yes, you disappear
<SiFuh>
A 6.9 earthquake?
<zorz>
Papua
<SiFuh>
You are geographically illiterate aren't you?
<zorz>
Asia side yes
<zorz>
ahahah
<SiFuh>
I can name every country and island around Africa if you want to compete
<zorz>
but I worried
<zorz>
no need
<SiFuh>
How about South America, Central American and North America?
<zorz>
no need
<SiFuh>
Central Asia?
<zorz>
no need
<SiFuh>
Hehehe :-P 198 dude
<zorz>
evil
<zorz>
btw I noticed something... let me check back...
<SiFuh>
Although I think the The Principality of Sealand shouldn't be considered a country