<SiFuh>
For Rogan wearing his pink gay shirt with Japanese writing
<SiFuh>
Hoodie*
<SiFuh>
"'Why do they name Hurricanes after women?' 'Well, what do you call someone who takes all your stuff and leaves you standing naked in your own driveway?'" -- Dave Atell
<remiliascarlet>
According to loccount, Linux has 26 million lines of code, FreeBSD has 16.5 million, OpenBSD has 19.5 million, and NetBSD has almost 30 million, which I find hard to believe to be honest.
<SiFuh>
Be a bit hard to count since I'd have to remove all the documentation
<SiFuh>
Still will probably have README files deep within the tree
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: 6.4.4 kernel. Result popped up as 56,722,201 But that may include some other text documents within the tree
<SiFuh>
And not incuding any lines of code from binary blobs
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Without deleting anything from the OpenBSD sys sources. 8,866,509
<SiFuh>
For 7.5 that is.
<remiliascarlet>
Those numbers sound more realistic.
<remiliascarlet>
I think Linux Kernel 6.8.7 would be far bigger though.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: 02:59:00 Tucker talks about the idea of how they got into his signal app.
<SiFuh>
He said signal was developed by the CIA
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<SiFuh>
Tucker says US has the largest government on the planet.
<SiFuh>
But the Chinese Communist Party has a heaps larger government
<SiFuh>
The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is the sole governing party of the People's Republic of China. At the end of 2022, its membership reached 98 million, representing about 6.9 percent of the Chinese population.
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<SiFuh>
Paul Hogan reveals what happened to infamous 'Dundee' knife. Deep within an undisclosed Australian bank sits "the most famous knife in the world". Despite its fame, Hogan admitted he's considering selling the large Bowie knife. "I have it in a vault. In a bank in Australia," Hogan told host Karl Stefanovic mysteriously. "They told me it is the most famous knife in the world. It is the only knife that
<SiFuh>
has ever had its own scene in a movie. And that scene has been shown millions of times all around the world. "I might put it up for auction. I don't sit around looking at it."
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<farkuhar>
remiliascarlet: which number do you find most unbelievable? The BSD kernel loccounts are consistent with the range of hardware they claim to support. As for the Linux 6.4 series, here's one breakdown: https://dpaste.com/DA8794AYE
<remiliascarlet>
farkuhar: All 4 numbers.
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<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I did the entire source directory of sys (Kernel source) for OpenBSD. I didn't search for any Makefiles or README files or config files. I didn't strip out any comments or notes or anything. I just searched for all files containing text for _EVERY_ architecture and OpenBSD hit 8,866,509. That is half of what remiliascarlet pasted in that comment.
<SiFuh>
19.5 million lines of code for the OpenBSD kernel is very excessive in my opinion.
<SiFuh>
And I think Linux is much higher than 26 million.
<SiFuh>
As for Net and Free, I care not.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: What's a PO file?
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: the names of tropical storms in the Atlantic basin alternate between male and female, according to a predetermined sequence. Noteworthy hurricanes of both genders can be found in recent history: Katrina and Rita (2005), Andrew (1992) and Ike (2008).
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: It was a joke from a comedian.
<SiFuh>
TNSDL stands for TeleNokia Specification and Description Language
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: I think PO has something to do with translation. But it's the output of an automated tool, so there could be misclassified files.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I added all the script and code languages that do not apply to HTML or the PO File and the total was 25690291
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: remiliascarlet: Now I am curious. Maybe the retard that wrote that did the OpenBSD core and either included the kernel with the core or only did the core. Or maybe they are just a fucking liar.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: farkuhar: 14,549,315 (Core) + 7,080,873 (Kernel) = 21,630,188. Guess they did it this way. I am doing it for OpenBSD 7.5
<farkuhar>
Did zorz have any respiratory condition that would make the Saharan sandstorm life-threatening to him? Or was it meant figuratively, "zorz is gone, Rest in tight pants"?
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: No he is watching Dune 2 in 3D ;-)
<SiFuh>
Hahahahaha, So Trump walks into a Bodega and gets massive crowds. Biden then walked into two gas stations and got no crowds. Now the DOJ is suing the Convenience store for running criminal checks on their employees.
<SiFuh>
Convenience store at the gas station
<SiFuh>
They should have run acriminal check on Biden and the far left fuckwits before they could enter.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: I upgraded OpenBSD to 7.5 on a 32-bit PC, and it's stuck on "Starting local daemons: cron" followed by the date and time, but never prompts for login and password anymore. This release sure is a disaster.
<remiliascarlet>
As if Theo de Raadt has turned into a Javascript developer.
<SiFuh>
Cntrl C
<remiliascarlet>
Just prints "^C" on the screen, I already tried that.
<SiFuh>
Did you try it 100 times?
<remiliascarlet>
Nah, I'll re-install from scratch I guess.
<SiFuh>
You will find cron probably crashed
<SiFuh>
But maybe since Control C isn't working, then it will be something that tried loading in the background
<SiFuh>
Does the machine have internet?
<remiliascarlet>
Probably.
<SiFuh>
Heh
<remiliascarlet>
But I might as well just re-install. I barely used that thing anyway.
<remiliascarlet>
So nothing of importance will be lost.
<SiFuh>
A study conduced by the University of Southern California (USC) has discovered that eating a lot of American ‘junk food’ during adolescents can result in impaired memory function during adulthood. <-- OH FUCKING REALLY?
<remiliascarlet>
Are they going to discover that summers are warmer than winters next?
<SiFuh>
The study referred to the junk food as a ‘Cafeteria diet’ (CAF) and ‘Western diet’ (WD) which they categorized as processed foods with saturated fat and simple sugars. This food was made up of big-name industrial food items, food which contains additives so dangerous that they are illegal in other countries.
<remiliascarlet>
No need, who doesn't know that junk food is damaging?
<SiFuh>
But in the article both the diets were bad
<SiFuh>
Junk Food and Western Diet
<remiliascarlet>
Basically the same thing.
<SiFuh>
Then they put them on healthy diets and then for a short time put them on a western diet and they still became stupid
<SiFuh>
Explains why so many Westerners are as dumb as a plank of wood
<SiFuh>
They even name some of the Junk Food brands
<remiliascarlet>
Yes, and getting even dumber every generation too.
<SiFuh>
Yes but they also have a 30 second memory being programmed by little black mirrors in their hands
<SiFuh>
This is fucking huge here.
<SiFuh>
Soy diets, Western Diets and the Black fucking mirror.
<SiFuh>
Then they wonder why I can do as dlcusa_ said. Jack of all trades master of all. Or something like that.
<SiFuh>
I like my beer and I like my vodka. But I almost never consumed junk foods or junk oil
<SiFuh>
Oh I will go to KL on Friday. Warranty for my screen. I have irssi launched on my laptop as well because when I am back, I am not sure I will have a screen for my main driver.
<SiFuh>
Back maybe Saturday night
<SiFuh>
Only did 400 pushups today. Don't want to be too sore when I go to KL. Also back hurts if I do too much. Will no about the pain tomorrow and definitely Friday if I pushed too hard
<SiFuh>
“I can’t wait,” he said, when the interviewer asked whether or not he thought Trump’s time was passing. “Most thoughtful people are going through a bit of PTSD about it now, so maybe you’re right.”
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I emailed zorz "Are you on your Island watching and breathing Dune 2 in 3D now?"
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: I see you alerted jaeger to the outdated BuildingISO wiki page. It would be nice if pmwiki knew how to import variable definitions from other files, but there's always the risk that a page author is unaware of those external files and hard-codes a value that will not stand the test of time.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Yep and I have no fucking idea about Wiki pages ;-). It will be good if they do eventually look into the possibility that it may exist.
<SiFuh>
Also Author should have been changed from jbrooks to jaeger since jbrooks hasn't touched it in decades
<SiFuh>
At the moment it is what I can call acceptable but as jaeger says there needs some improvements which is definitely a fact
<SiFuh>
Having broken URLs regardless of a new or seasoned user is a pain in the rectum. However, being able to downloast the source with the correct URLs and tweaking it is heaps better.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I was only re-looking at the site because I was interested in the attempt to see what it would take to make a prt and pkgutils into a musl version.
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<farkuhar>
SiFuh: if Per had been in charge of CRUX when musl arrived, do you think he would have switched away from glibc?
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: No
<SiFuh>
I think he would have played with but even though I can't speak for him. He'd way the value of whether or not it had a long term possibilty
<SiFuh>
way weigh*
<SiFuh>
At this point in time, I think musl is shit.
<SiFuh>
And with assumption, I'd say he'd maybe think the same
<SiFuh>
But that is my experience of Per and it is best you ask him.
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: you think musl is shit, and yet you're curious about writing musl versions of pkgutils and prt-get?
<SiFuh>
I'd say though if he could produce a CRUX on musl that lasted 5 versions, he'd flip to musl for sure
<remiliascarlet>
Musl is god like compared to glibc.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Silence
<remiliascarlet>
And it keeps all the Poetteringware out too.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Yes, but it we need to push it. Get it right!
<SiFuh>
hahaha remiliascarlet Good reason
<SiFuh>
HAHAHAHAHA
<remiliascarlet>
A program not compiled against glibc a day keeps Lennard Poettering away.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: pkgutils. Compile it for me in musl please ;-)
<SiFuh>
hahaha
<SiFuh>
Don't worry remiliascarlet and farkuhar I have the systems being set up or already setup. I want to re-attempt a CRUX in musl
<remiliascarlet>
Would maybe keep Richard Stallman away too, but he's using a Mastodon instance instead of dogfooding his own GNU Social crap.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I never really liked him
<SiFuh>
I always found him to be a scruffy old fag
<SiFuh>
I repeat a little. farkuhar. I don't think Per would have pushed musl because of the timing.
<SiFuh>
Eventually it may have become a thing and to be honest. Even though I think it sucks. I think CRUX needs to start making a MUSL version
<SiFuh>
Bleeding edge!
<farkuhar>
but if a musl-based CRUX lasted 5 versions, maybe Per would have been amenable to switching.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: "Richard, you're a hypocrite and a liar!" ~ Theo de Raadt
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: If CRUX lasted two versions. Per would have flipped. That I am sure of
<SiFuh>
And no linux-PAM
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: He is
<SiFuh>
I think to flip to MUSL we need to work 100% on core and there is a few things that are shit we need to remove.
<farkuhar>
anyway, who cares about porting pkgutils? SiFuh wanted to remove it from the core repo anyway. As Anton wrote on 2006-08-29, "What is CRUX? ... Pkgutils? No - they are not really necessary, you can write simple scripts in shell using tar with similar functionality."
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: No I didn't say I wanted to. I said it should be in core however since it is the foundation of CRUX then it should not be remvoed.
<SiFuh>
CRUX is techincally the package manager these days. In the old days it wasn't
<SiFuh>
Anton... Hahaha
<SiFuh>
CRUX was crux and the pkgutils made crux what crux is
<SiFuh>
I said it should NOT be*
<farkuhar>
Vorontsov ... bd2 was his IRC nick, apparently
<SiFuh>
So was anton
<SiFuh>
And ant
<SiFuh>
Vorontsov <-- I don't remember this one
<farkuhar>
Anton Vorontsov, wasn't that his full name?
<SiFuh>
I will need to look into my logs but he is wrong
<SiFuh>
CRUX was an idea based on a raped version of Linux with a source build and some cool fucking scripts
<SiFuh>
CRUX was so slimed down they removed all .md .txt READMEs, Docs and pretty much all garbage. The only thing important was man pages. CRUX wrapped sand paper and then barbed wire around it's dick it would fuck the shit out of Linux and tear out everything that was of no importance.
<SiFuh>
It even removed NLS from the ports. And if you look at older ports the removal of NLS is still there in trace amounts.
<SiFuh>
CRUX was always meant to be super stripped down and bleading edge.
<SiFuh>
Linux-PAM and SUDO have never belonged
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: You got any ideas on how to start a MUSL build of prt-utils and pkgutils?
<SiFuh>
I have an old MUSL void system around here. I can update it and maybe build the initial bootstrap of CRUX on it
<SiFuh>
But a prt-utils and a pkgutils are the key. It _MUST_ be built in MUSL before anything else.
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<farkuhar>
I think you mean prt-get, not prt-utils. The only compiled part of prt-utils is revdep, and even that was once written in shell. Everything else in prt-utils is still handled by an interpreter, so it suffices to obtain musl versions of bash, gawk, and perl.
<SiFuh>
Best fucking tool ever to exist on Linux/Unix
<farkuhar>
Actually, even if emmett1 hadn't done a musl version of prt-get, I still have a perl-based rewrite that could have served as a stopgap measure. But let's try emmett1's replacement first.
<SiFuh>
He is in the club
<SiFuh>
I will inform him
<SiFuh>
I can do musl crux. But does anyone want it? As far as i know crux dev does not care about its users.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Guess not only some of us feel the same way but emmett1 also does and I never talk to him about CRUX politics.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Existing prt-get just works fine with musl btw
<SiFuh>
But need a little fix on it source code
<SiFuh>
I am copy and pasting emmett1's replies
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I can provide base musl-crux rootfs if anyone want it <-- emmett1
<SiFuh>
He said he has a much newer project and the URL I posted above is old.
<farkuhar>
The same way that he moved on from Venom Linux and left it in the hands of other devs? He must have a knack for recruiting volunteers, if he can keep moving on to new projects and let the old projects be entrusted to fresh maintainers.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: He said, he can making for us a CRUX-MUSL rootfs. He can hand it over to us.
<SiFuh>
I said that if he does this, you should recognize him as the founder of it.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Basically you mention him as the guy who started the MUSL movement.
<SiFuh>
He said he will make it for us because he wants to be recorded in CRUX history
<SiFuh>
I can agree to that
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<SiFuh>
farkuhar: zorz "Yes yesterday we Greeks played in Dune 3 now in 3D"