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<remiliascarlet>
I believe Akira Toriyama was triple injected.
<remiliascarlet>
Also, finally started to understand how to configure CWM. Now looking for a statusbar that doesn't suck.
<remiliascarlet>
Don't give me Polybar, that one sucks.
<SiFuh>
Taskbar from Windows
<remiliascarlet>
I said one that doesn't suck.
<SiFuh>
It doesn't suck though
<SiFuh>
It's just retarded
<remiliascarlet>
Which means it sucks.
<remiliascarlet>
Lemonpartybar has too many dependencies, so I don't care.
<remiliascarlet>
As a last resort I can just rip out DWM's bar out of its source code, and use that.
<remiliascarlet>
Lemonbar doesn't suck after all.
<remiliascarlet>
Only 1 dependency, and compiles within nanoseconds. Guess I previously looked at the wrong repo?
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<SiFuh>
Retarded and sucks do not mean the same thing
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<remiliascarlet>
I just installed OpenIndiana on a laptop that used to run FreeBSD.
<remiliascarlet>
Impression so far: "oh my motherfucking God, that OS is slow!".
<remiliascarlet>
`pkg update` takes forever to finish.
<remiliascarlet>
So I guess I'll keep my NAS on FreeBSD.
<SiFuh>
OpenSolaris is heaps better
<SiFuh>
WAS heaps better
<remiliascarlet>
Too bad Oracle shot it dead with a bazooka.
<SiFuh>
Hated Oracle since it came into existence with its stupid database
<remiliascarlet>
Wasn't MySQL a Sun product before Oracle bought Sun?
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<remiliascarlet>
Because I'm very sure it was.
<remiliascarlet>
I used MySQL during the Sun days, and if it were an Oracle product from the very beginning, we wouldn't have MariaDB today.
<SiFuh>
MySQL was bought by Sun Microsystems
<SiFuh>
MySQL AB was a Swedish software company founded in 1995. It was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 2008,[1] Sun was in turn acquired by Oracle Corporation in 2010. MySQL AB is the creator of MySQL, a relational database management system, as well as related products such as MySQL Cluster. The company was dually headquartered in Uppsala, Sweden, and Cupertino, California, with offices in other countries
<SiFuh>
(France (Paris), Germany (Munich), Ireland (Dublin), Italy (Milan), and Japan (Tokyo)).
<remiliascarlet>
Oh.
<remiliascarlet>
MySQL works on many system platforms, including AIX, BSDi, FreeBSD, HP-UX, ArcaOS, eComStation, IBM i, IRIX, Linux, macOS, Microsoft Windows, NetBSD, Novell NetWare, OpenBSD, OpenSolaris, OS/2 Warp, QNX, Oracle Solaris, Symbian, SunOS, SCO OpenServer, SCO UnixWare, Sanos and Tru64. A port of MySQL to OpenVMS also exists.
<remiliascarlet>
So it ran on just about everything.
<SiFuh>
BeOS?
<SiFuh>
Plan9?
<remiliascarlet>
Almost everything.
<SiFuh>
(*)DOS?
<remiliascarlet>
Considering it was released in 1995, nobody other than Japan cared about DOS anymore. And even then, never seen a DOS-based web server before.
<remiliascarlet>
Other than the hobby-boomers running a Windows 98 server from their bedrooms.
<SiFuh>
Sioux?
<remiliascarlet>
OK, never heard of that one.
<remiliascarlet>
Or are you trolling?
<remiliascarlet>
"The Sioux or Oceti Sakowin (/suː/ SOO; Dakota/Lakota: Očhéthi Šakówiŋ /oˈtʃʰeːtʰi ʃaˈkoːwĩ/) are groups of Native American tribes and First Nations people from the Great Plains of North America." So not an operating system.
<SiFuh>
I don't know the meaning of the word trolling
<remiliascarlet>
Shove your banquet with gyros up your rectum.
<SiFuh>
This is the high pressure regulator
<zorz>
?
<zorz>
good morning
<zorz>
let me check
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: good morning man
<zorz>
SiFuh: propane
<zorz>
?
<SiFuh>
zorz: No idea
<SiFuh>
zorz: What do you call a blind deer?
<remiliascarlet>
zorz: Good evening woman.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I'd have said "Good morning not a man"
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: There are only 2 genders.
<SiFuh>
Yeah man and not a man
<remiliascarlet>
Oh, remember the timestamp I said that `pkg update` takes forever to complete on OpenIndiana? It now just finished fetching, and is finally installing packages, which takes forever too.
<remiliascarlet>
Well, a little bit less foreverer.
<remiliascarlet>
Video: "How To Make Windows 11 Better?" Me: "just replace it with OpenBSD".
<zorz>
ok decide what you like Man or Woman ?
<zorz>
good morning boys & girls :Pp
<remiliascarlet>
I typically like animals more than humans.
<remiliascarlet>
Animals at least don't brainwash others.
<remiliascarlet>
And animals don't constantly larp around blocking off road because "climate change".
<zorz>
i am of the idea... that animals should be outside in the nature. not in a house. home.
<remiliascarlet>
Just make a law that specifies that if a living person glues themselves to the road or blocks roads in other ways, then it's legally considered part of the road, and therefore there are no penalties for driving them over.
<remiliascarlet>
I can assure you that all of the sudden nobody will block any roads anymore.
<remiliascarlet>
`pkg update` just finished.
<SiFuh>
Animals block the road all the time
<SiFuh>
And brainwashing is common in the animal kingdom
<SiFuh>
Humans are dumb but they don't do anything generally unique
<SiFuh>
Although I don't see animals growing GMO crops
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: Actually, I think this is great. If I read this correctly, they're not taking hormones or chopping their dicks off, they're only using the laws to turn the system in their own favor.
<remiliascarlet>
The Spanish government did it to themselves!
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Yep
<SiFuh>
Unfortunately they are lying to cheat the system
<remiliascarlet>
How would one cheat the system honestly?
<SiFuh>
Cheating is sinful
<SiFuh>
Lying is sinful
<remiliascarlet>
And?
<SiFuh>
I do not agree with sinning
<remiliascarlet>
If it works in their favor, then that's the way they do it.
<SiFuh>
Still a sin
<remiliascarlet>
This is why "our side" never wins.
<SiFuh>
It's like getting that fake Covid Certificate or pretending to have one on the phone but it is a screenshot
<SiFuh>
I will not take part.
<SiFuh>
I'd rather tell them to fuck off than play their stupid game
<SiFuh>
Our side never wins because they are fucking pussies that don't know how to say "NO!"
<remiliascarlet>
I've spent the entire time in a country where this was unnecessary in the first place.
<SiFuh>
My friends had fake certificates, I was against it
<remiliascarlet>
There was a covid certification system, but nobody ever used it anyway.
<SiFuh>
I have friends that had screenshots of approvals to enter shops. I was against it.
<remiliascarlet>
And the government is discontinuing it at the end of this month.
<SiFuh>
I prefer the pleasure of standing up and saying FUCK OFF you retards.
<SiFuh>
I was told countless times to wear a mask in public. I kept saying "I am not stupid like you morons"
<SiFuh>
I offended so many but no one fucked with me
<SiFuh>
My favorite is when they would say "You can't come in" and I'd reply "I just did"
<remiliascarlet>
If one day it would be the reverse, that men would get better "equality" treatment, I'd just pretend to be a man, and hope that enough other women would do the same to break the system.
<SiFuh>
I understand your's and their reasons.
<SiFuh>
I just prefer to not play their stupid childish illogical games.
<SiFuh>
Hmm I should fix that
<SiFuh>
I understand your's and their reasons for tricking the system.
<remiliascarlet>
Everyone does it their own ways. Just saying, if you want to fix broken systems, lying and cheating is the way to go.
<SiFuh>
I just prefer to not play the stupid childish illogical games the morons try to impose upon us.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Wrong
<SiFuh>
If you want to fix the broken system then don't fucking follow that system.
<remiliascarlet>
And then others do follow, and nothing gets fixed.
<remiliascarlet>
And I mean follow as in honestly.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: If I was to take the injection to follow a system knowing it could be a game of Russian Roulette then I ain't being honest. I am being suicidal. Which is a sin.
<remiliascarlet>
OK, today I learned that OpenIndiana does not ship with stdio.h.
<remiliascarlet>
Just got banned from yet another community for saying that I don't understand why I got banned from a forum for having a different opinion.
<remiliascarlet>
You literally can't resolve issues with these clowns.
<SiFuh>
sudo pkg install gcc
<SiFuh>
I don't understand why there are so many 'ban' jockeys around
<SiFuh>
I have the power to ban here, but that just makes me a cunt if I banned anyone who insults, abuses, talks shit or says something I disagree with.
<remiliascarlet>
I've been getting banned a lot throughout my entire time on the internet, but never as much as recently.
<remiliascarlet>
When the world started getting allergic to different opinions, which they call "fake news".
<SiFuh>
Emotionally weak fuckers ;-)
<remiliascarlet>
And it's always western platforms, especially if it's either American or British.
<remiliascarlet>
The only Japanese platform that banned me was Pixiv, which itself has been westernized as fuck anyway.
<SiFuh>
Well you aint gettin' no bans here
<remiliascarlet>
I know.
<remiliascarlet>
Cool people never ban cool people.
<remiliascarlet>
The weird thing about syspatch is that it doesn't seem to arrive on every system equally.
<remiliascarlet>
Ran the command on 3 separate OpenBSD machines, only 1 of which received the patch.
<SiFuh>
Never had an issue
<remiliascarlet>
Done on 5 machines now, still only 1 of them got the patch.
<SiFuh>
gzip: stdin: Input/output error
<SiFuh>
tar: End of archive volume 1 reached
<SiFuh>
On two of my machines
<SiFuh>
They are pretty outdated though
<SiFuh>
OpenBSD 7.2 (GENERIC.MP) #5
<SiFuh>
OpenBSD 7.4 (GENERIC.MP) #1380
<SiFuh>
Guess I will do a full update on all them eventually
<zorz>
SiFuh: again!
<zorz>
:P
<zorz>
let me close emacs, python.. csv and i will do
<SiFuh>
Why?
<SiFuh>
Just run syspatch
<zorz>
syspatch needs reboot
<SiFuh>
Then later when you reboot you know it is already done
<zorz>
i did syspatch a week ago.
<SiFuh>
It is only VMM you can still use OpenBSD
<SiFuh>
Just don't need to hurry for a reboot
<zorz>
ok. let me not loose the csv data.... it is a mess...
<SiFuh>
zorz: I ran the VMM syspatch, I won't reboot for a day or two.
<zorz>
zorz:/home/zorz/v3scrap:62$ doas syspatch
<zorz>
doas (zorz@box.my.domain) password:
<zorz>
zorz:/home/zorz/v3scrap:63$
<zorz>
s the one that i did a few days ago.
<zorz>
nothing for my side.
<SiFuh>
cat /etc/installurl
<remiliascarlet>
Mine are all on OpenBSD 7.4.
<SiFuh>
Maybe your mirrors haven't updated yet
<remiliascarlet>
I just can't see a reason not to upgrade, because I've never encountered a single problem with it. It's not like Ubuntu or Linux Mint where every time you upgrade the OS, the entire thing gets destroyed.
<remiliascarlet>
Could be.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I still use 7.2 on my NFS server
<remiliascarlet>
I upgraded Debian several times, and it too introduces breakages to a degree, but the system itself is generally still OK.
<SiFuh>
zorz: Maybe you have it already 014: SECURITY FIX: February 29, 2024
<remiliascarlet>
Ubuntu or Mint on the other hand, it completely collapses every 6 months.
<SiFuh>
I remember being called in to an Ubuntu thing as an Ubuntu expert. When I looked it at I was laughing so hard. I then had to go around and fix all the newbies Ubuntu machines. Even a long time Ubuntu user needed my help. Then I was asked about how long I had used Ubuntu for and I said I had never used it in my life. The look of surprise on everyones faces was priceless.
<zorz>
i have it, next time i will inform you... cause i do it regularly.
<SiFuh>
zorz: I should introduce it to my backup script
<SiFuh>
Since I back up every weekend
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: compiled linux only debian. never crashes. and I even have it with sysvinit. not systemd.
<SiFuh>
zorz: devuan?
<zorz>
SiFuh: thats a great idea.
<zorz>
fuck devuan. i run 2 years now debian with sysvinit.
<SiFuh>
fuck debian. I ran OpenBSD since 2002
<zorz>
hahaha
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: Because people who use Ubuntu most likely just came from Windows, and never take any effort into understanding anything happening under the hood.
<zorz>
its good to have a linux around... but i can find everything in openbsd.
<remiliascarlet>
Linux is more a gaming OS to me.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: We have a joke amongst the linux guys here because one 'Ubuntu expert' was doing 'mount mkdir' and when I saw it I slapped his wrist and pointed it out to the real Linux guys and they were cracking up laughing
<zorz>
guys when u install debian for first time. before installing the bootloader you chroot, install apt sysvinit-core libpam-elodind and this uninstalls systemd. straight-forward.
<SiFuh>
zorz: Who cares!
<remiliascarlet>
I sometimes do that, but that's because I get distracted after typing the previous command, and forgot that I didn't hit enter or CTRL+C yet.
<zorz>
mount --mkdir
<SiFuh>
No 'mount mkdir'
<zorz>
hahahaha
<zorz>
no --mkdir ?
<zorz>
hahaha
<remiliascarlet>
But if intentional, I can understand spelling out "mount" while the intention was to type "man" instead.
<SiFuh>
They were suppose to 'mkdir /mnt/<folder name>' then 'mount /dev/<whatever> /mnt/<foldername>' and the guy was doing 'mount mkdir'
<remiliascarlet>
But other than that, what the fuck?
<zorz>
yes
<SiFuh>
You guys are retarded
<zorz>
mount --mkdir /dev/efi_system_partition /mnt/boot
<remiliascarlet>
Sounds like that guy was still more knowledgeable than your average Ubuntu user. Those would just open Nautilus, and click the external drive icon in the sidebar.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Most of my drives are encrypted. So I have scripts to mount and umount them
<SiFuh>
Nautilus?
<remiliascarlet>
Gnome's file manager.
<SiFuh>
Huh
<remiliascarlet>
Or did they change that?
<SiFuh>
I don't know
<remiliascarlet>
Last time I used Gnome was on version 2.34 or something.
<SiFuh>
I use MidnightCommander and the only GUI I know are KFM (Extinct), XFE and PCMANFM
<zorz>
SiFuh: i was going to encrypt openbsd as well but then this little performance improvement is more important for me than an encrypted drive
<SiFuh>
There is another but I can't remember the name
<remiliascarlet>
Moved to just window managers after the whole Gnome 2 to Gnome 3 disaster.
<SiFuh>
Thunar!
<SiFuh>
I remembered it
<remiliascarlet>
My go-to file manager these days is lf.
<zorz>
thunar xfce
<remiliascarlet>
pkg_add lf
<SiFuh>
Last time I used Gnome was in OpenSolaris
<zorz>
pacmanfb lxde
<SiFuh>
Midnight Commander!
<zorz>
Gnome?
<zorz>
ranger
<remiliascarlet>
I replaced ranger with lf, because ranger was laggy.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Fluxbox since 2002 if I remember correctly and Blackbox before that
<zorz>
lf is ranger in go
<zorz>
i am good with nnn
<SiFuh>
You are speaking Greek to me zorz
<remiliascarlet>
My first ones were IceWM and Awesome, simply because someone else I know recommended them.
<SiFuh>
I tried awesome and it wasn't
<remiliascarlet>
zorz: And Go is a compiled language, plus it compiles to static binaries by default, therefore it just works.
<SiFuh>
I hate Go because I hate Google
<remiliascarlet>
The only time it doesn't compile to static binaries is when you put OpenGL in it.
<zorz>
in openbsd now, did not installed ranger. only nnn
<SiFuh>
Midnight Commander!
<remiliascarlet>
Go to Google is kinda like what Lenovo is to Chinese corporations.
<zorz>
mc is heavy duty... i am not so heavy duty yet SiFuh :Pp
<remiliascarlet>
It's related to Google, but they barely have any control over it.
<remiliascarlet>
Just compare Go to any other Google product. Go is all about keeping it simple and light, everything else at Google is bloated and complex as fuck.
<remiliascarlet>
"I hate Go because I hate Google" Says the one who uses the official YouTube frontend.
<SiFuh>
I use mpv
<zorz>
i think they build go, for the fiber to copycat django for async operations. cause django is not async. nut now fastapi is async. no need for go fiber.
<zorz>
SiFuh: no mpv in openbsd, ffplay runs great.
<SiFuh>
zorz: mpv!
<remiliascarlet>
MPV with the Sponsorship Block extension is the ultimate way of watching YouTube videos.
<SiFuh>
mpv "stupid youtube url"
<zorz>
i do not watch youtube guys...
<SiFuh>
zorz: Because in Soviet Russia youtube watches you"
<remiliascarlet>
No need to get shilled with Raid Shadowlegends or NordVPN bullshit when watching a video about civilization state for example.
<zorz>
i somewhere read for yt-download,,, and some other similar things but... only what SiFuh pastes in the #channel i watch lol
<remiliascarlet>
MPV uses yt-dlp under the hood.
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: this is what i try to remember.
<remiliascarlet>
It actually works better if you first use yt-dlp to download the whole video, and then watch in MPV, because if you watch directly from MPV, it usually keeps buffering once every few seconds.
<SiFuh>
zorz: She was the most beautiful first lady in American history
<zorz>
of course... she is not American.
<zorz>
hahahaha
<SiFuh>
:-P
<zorz>
slovenia... yugoslavia man!
<remiliascarlet>
zorz: There's going to be a point when you'll need to make your own file manager.
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: with nnn having, copy, paste, move, delete.. rename, bulk rename and run-mailcap as opener i am ok man. no previews.
<remiliascarlet>
Suckless makes good stuff, OpenBSD makes good stuff, but most other developers either make bad stuff, or make (political) drama, or both at the same time (like Rust).
<serpente>
hahahah, true
<serpente>
i use a bunch of suckless tools, even maintain one in my ports collection
<zorz>
the point with this is that i load it after cwm so it listens to the x stuff
<zorz>
but is ok i like it is light.
<remiliascarlet>
Great, my terminal just spammed "./lemon.sh: 59: [: 1: unexpected operator" and "./lemon.sh: 64: [: 9: unexpected operator" 40 trillion times a second.
<zorz>
it works man
<zorz>
in mine is working.
<remiliascarlet>
It functions, but I don't want to litter my terminal.
<SiFuh>
My terminal is littered by you guys haha
<zorz>
hahaha
<remiliascarlet>
Whatever, it works as a starting point though.
<zorz>
try the calmstatus from this guy. its nice.
<zorz>
compile it and just run calmstatus | lemonbar -d -B "#f3f3f3" -F "#000" -f "-*-fixed-*-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-
<zorz>
*-*-*" &
<SiFuh>
Why the fuck do you need a bar?
<zorz>
with cwm you need
<SiFuh>
I need one, and I am happy. But that is for beer
<zorz>
ok you have the menu with the windows... but you need.
<SiFuh>
If YOU NEED in CWM then why it doesn't have one?
<zorz>
it has a menu... that has all the open windows.
<SiFuh>
Fluxbox has one but I don't need it
<remiliascarlet>
You don't need a bar, but it's nice to see on what desktop you are and what time it is.
<zorz>
exactly
<SiFuh>
It's easy though
<SiFuh>
If I see Telegram, I know I am on desktop 1
<SiFuh>
If I am on firefox I know it is 2
<zorz>
thats why remiliascarlet i am telling you compile the calmstatus... and try it.
<SiFuh>
If I am reading emails, I am on 3
<remiliascarlet>
I have a dedicated clock on my desk, but barely look at it.
<remiliascarlet>
Also, you do have a bar, you liar!
<SiFuh>
That is desktop 1. I have 12 desktops. 0 to 11
<zorz>
of course he has bar, fluxbox
<SiFuh>
Right side is for videos though. And I can switch through all desktops and the video stays pinned
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I didn't say I hadn't I said I don't use it
<remiliascarlet>
OK, fair enough.
<zorz>
tmux...
<SiFuh>
Well I think I said "I don't need it"
<SiFuh>
tmux is default in OpenBSD zorz
<zorz>
i know
<SiFuh>
Don't worry, I use screen mostly
<SiFuh>
Just on the other machines
<zorz>
never use them
<SiFuh>
I use tmux for irssi and on the NFS server for my TV series downloading programs and whatever
<zorz>
but now with cwm i will give a try to tmux
<remiliascarlet>
You don't need a specific window manager to run tmux.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Actually, I kind of do use that bar at the bottom of the screen. Because I have it configured so that maximising any program will not go over the top of it. Which allows me a space to scroll the mouse wheel through the desktops. :-P
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: zorz does, because he is special ;-)
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: with dwm and tilling window managers no need for tmux
<SiFuh>
In fluxbox if you can scroll your mouse over the wall paper you can change desktops
<SiFuh>
zorz: My fluxbox is virtual tiling as you know before
<zorz>
SiFuh: this is what i like in cwm.... can tile the windows.
<SiFuh>
Fluxbox too
<SiFuh>
Bahahaha
<zorz>
never tried fluxbox.
<SiFuh>
Have you figured out how to set a wallpaper in CWM yet?
<zorz>
xsession or feh
<zorz>
depends what do you want
<SiFuh>
feh in xsession
<SiFuh>
fluxbox is the same
<SiFuh>
I use feh to make my wallpaper
<zorz>
my wallpaper xsetroot -solid dimgray &
<zorz>
its good for me :Pp
<SiFuh>
Boring
<zorz>
before h haf feh -bg
<zorz>
i had.
<SiFuh>
My wallpapers are made by me.
<SiFuh>
I take a photo of something shit like a road, or a table and then GIMP it to death
<zorz>
this weekend i will set the password-store pass
<remiliascarlet>
The "unexpected operator" errors.
<SiFuh>
zorz: EVERYTHING hahahahaha
<zorz>
somewhere he messed up
<remiliascarlet>
On lines 59 and 64, you've got "==". In POSIX shell, you need "=".
<SiFuh>
Hahaha zorz, The man has kicked your ass
<zorz>
are you running ksh or bash?
<remiliascarlet>
Doesn't matter, you defined `#!/bin/sh` at the top, so it'll run POSIX shell regardless of what you run.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Actually
<SiFuh>
If you ran ./ then it will be sh
<SiFuh>
If you ran bash file.sh then it will not be sh
<zorz>
anyway in ksh works fine... and i should define ksh
<remiliascarlet>
Does anyone other than scriptkiddies even do that?
<SiFuh>
By the way, remiliascarlet and zorz for good practice you should use env instead if you are using a bash script
<remiliascarlet>
I mean the `bash file.sh` thing.
<SiFuh>
I do
<remiliascarlet>
HAHA, scriptkiddie!
<SiFuh>
It's stupid to run a ./script.sh unless you read it
<SiFuh>
I usually run sh or bash or ksh so I don't need to +x it
<remiliascarlet>
You can remove the extension (.sh), and do `./script`.
<SiFuh>
No
<SiFuh>
What are you talking about?
<remiliascarlet>
About running scripts.
<SiFuh>
I don't +x any script
<SiFuh>
Unless they are trustworthy
<remiliascarlet>
You're executing them anyway, so.
<SiFuh>
So to run any script that isn't +x you use bash, ksh, sh or whatever
<zorz>
i even get in this script the names of the windows without xdotool or wmctrl
<SiFuh>
Manualyl
<SiFuh>
zorz: #!/usr/bin/env ksh
<SiFuh>
Use this format in your scripts
<zorz>
ok next time
<zorz>
i am learning man
<SiFuh>
That way you can move them accross different OSs
<SiFuh>
Since OpenBSD uses /usr/local/bin/bash
<zorz>
but... it is a nice script, getting names of windows without xdotool or wmctrl. amazing.
<SiFuh>
Because bash sucks shit
<zorz>
i do not have bash installed in openbsd.
<SiFuh>
I don't care
<SiFuh>
I am telling you shit for you to learn
<zorz>
ok
<zorz>
let me change it.
<SiFuh>
If it is KSH you shouldn't have to
<SiFuh>
Since you won't have it on Linux
<remiliascarlet>
Would be a nice tagline. "SiFuh's OpenBSD Learning School, I am telling you shit for you to learn".
<SiFuh>
HAHAHA
<zorz>
HAHAHAHAHA
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: from the script if you disable $desktop_windows and you staty only with $desktop_info which is the number is working good.
<remiliascarlet>
In the 90's, if someone says "I use UNIX", there's a good chance your university teacher knows what you mean. In the 2020's, if someone says "I use Linux", then not even the system administrator at your company will have any clue what you're talking about.
<SiFuh>
Isn't CWm that ugly desktop default?
<zorz>
to get this pretty $desktop_windows only in c listenning to x stuff
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: What are you talking about?
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: CWM is all black by default.
<zorz>
menu-ssh is pretty sifuh :P
<remiliascarlet>
I think what you mean is fvwm.
<SiFuh>
Fuck you both. I like fluxbox. You can all go to hell
<zorz>
menu-ssh is nice... having no dmenu is nice menu-windows is nice.
<remiliascarlet>
"having no dmenu is nice" Then don't install it.
<SiFuh>
Fluxbox is so awesome I have been using it for 22 years.
<zorz>
menu-ssh i cannot make it connect with id_rsa, it connects and prompts for passwd. i use ssh NAME_OF_HOST.
<remiliascarlet>
zorz: Did you put your keys in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys?
<serpente>
ive used a lot of fluxbox too, its awesome
<serpente>
nowdays i go with awesomewm
<serpente>
and instead of dwm i go rofi
<serpente>
oops instead of drun
<zorz>
serpente: good choice. try and spectrwm
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: no authorized_keys is empty
<remiliascarlet>
Fix it then.
<zorz>
again RTFM!!! fucking hell
<zorz>
hahahaha
<remiliascarlet>
zorz: OK, here's the deal. If you RTFM for once, I'll be your girlfriend for 3 seconds.
<remiliascarlet>
After those 3 seconds, I'll hit you in the face and call you a pervert.
<serpente>
ive tried spectrwm for more than a year, very good, but not AWESOME
<serpente>
awesome is more like an API, you build your own wm with it
<serpente>
nothing can get better than that
<zorz>
i see.
<remiliascarlet>
Do I see a great window manager war on the horizon?
<serpente>
heheh
<zorz>
with cwm... i am ok.
<remiliascarlet>
On X we have DWM, CWM, Fluxbox, Awesome, Spectrwm, i3, Niggerbox, and plenty of others.
<remiliascarlet>
On Gayland they have...Hyprland, and that's it.
<SiFuh>
zorz: FLUXBOX FOR 22 YEARS
<remiliascarlet>
Oh yeah, and Weston.
<remiliascarlet>
And keep in mind, Gayland now exists for much longer than how long X existed at the time they decided that X is "too old".
<remiliascarlet>
16 years of work, and still a prototype.
<SiFuh>
OpenBSD is a prototype of what could be
<remiliascarlet>
I have no idea how we even got to the point that we got a gazillion different pieces of software meant to be solving the exact same problem, and almost all of them suck.
<SiFuh>
Linux is the problem
<SiFuh>
Linux is a poor mans, lazy excuse to get shit working
<SiFuh>
It alone has compromised the entire OpenSource market
<remiliascarlet>
IRC released 1988, XMPP released in 1999. Since 1999 we've got a billion different chat protocols, clients, and/or platforms, IRC and XMPP remain the best.
<SiFuh>
Funny that, Linux boasts OpenSource yet it fucked it up for OpenSource
<remiliascarlet>
GPL licenses used to have a reason to exist, not anymore.
<SiFuh>
Linux is the enemy of open source
<remiliascarlet>
Just think about it, with a GPL you're guaranteed to have the source code open, but then those who want to do evil will manipulate th community from within, and everyone loses (Linux as the prime example). In the case of the BSD licensed code, they can just take it and leave.
<remiliascarlet>
Changes in OpenBSD don't affect NetBSD, and changes in HyperbolaBSD don't affect OpenBSD.
<remiliascarlet>
Changes in the Linux kernel affects all Linux distro's.
<remiliascarlet>
Except for DamnSmallLinux, but that one is dead.
<SiFuh>
Hmm kind off the topic though
<remiliascarlet>
Kind of related.
<SiFuh>
Kind of retarded
<remiliascarlet>
No.
<SiFuh>
As a Linux Kernel guru in a way. Have you see that shit?
<SiFuh>
It's a fucking mess
<SiFuh>
I can only imagine how shit the kernel32.dll source looks
<remiliascarlet>
I've not looked at the code itself, but I can imagine a big plate of spaghetti if I did.
<SiFuh>
Spaghetti is neater
<SiFuh>
A Gordian knot is neater
<remiliascarlet>
Open source in general sucks these days. 90% of the communities are run by veganist transformers who don't know how to code properly, ban people for asking questions, and spend 18 hours a day on Twitter complaining about Donald Trump.
<zorz>
and the cherry on top is rust!
<zorz>
ahahaha
<remiliascarlet>
No, Rust is within that cake. Linux kernel is that cherry.
<SiFuh>
zorz: Did you notice remiliascarlet is the queen of whinging? Hahaha
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Get over, you are better than they are. Stop wallowing in their shit and be you
<SiFuh>
Get over it*
<remiliascarlet>
Write my own versions of stuff I use, I know.
<zorz>
SiFuh: Depressed Japan
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: No I mean, fuck them. We know they are shit heads. Move on
<remiliascarlet>
The only solution to the sad state of software.
<SiFuh>
Is... AK-47
<remiliascarlet>
Is writing own versions of stuff we use.
<SiFuh>
I heard Depression is when a person has so much anger they turn it inwards, into themselves and they become depressed
<SiFuh>
I also heard most of them are shy, stay home and have cats.
<SiFuh>
On the bright side, having the cats makes them live longer... and oh... depressed longer
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: watching my script... as i said i get the windows and names only using xprop. without xdotool and wmctrl. Anywhere i looked everybody has xdotool or wmctrl. I refuse to install them. This is what exactly happens in linux instead of cleaning the kernel and utilizing existing programs, they just keep adding and adding... no good.
<remiliascarlet>
Cats only get depressed if you don't feed them.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Do you need to be fed?
<remiliascarlet>
I have enough to eat, so perhaps a just a pet (as in with your hand on my hand, not as in animal).
<remiliascarlet>
s/your hand on my hand/your hand on my head
<serpente>
i will read that and get back you, im very sure you misinterpret him
<zorz>
hahaha
<serpente>
as many do
<zorz>
SiFuh: it hearts stop it
<zorz>
my openbsd is microphone free
<SiFuh>
zorz: I will look into your issue on Monday, don't worry
<SiFuh>
I didn't forget
<SiFuh>
I hope I do though
<zorz>
SiFuh: if you find a way, i will really appreciate
<SiFuh>
To forget? I am sure I can find a way
<zorz>
i know that you will find a way.
<serpente>
use vodka to forget :p
<SiFuh>
serpente: He's been a cunt since as long as I have known of his existence. He ain't anything special
<SiFuh>
serpente: Oh I have vodka but can't drink. I am driving tomorrow.
<serpente>
i think the minix scandal nails everything he stands for
<serpente>
where you going?
<SiFuh>
I think he stands for appreciation and credit
<serpente>
going jungle again?
<zorz>
it is so nice , i press MOD4-period, menu i choose the server and connects. fuckin civilization
<SiFuh>
Concrete Jungle. The City
<zorz>
as alicia keys say new york concrete jungle
<serpente>
he is going to the Shity
<SiFuh>
zorz: have you ever been?
<SiFuh>
City Wok
<zorz>
2000 2002 and before covid
<SiFuh>
New York?
<zorz>
but i am not going again.
<zorz>
yes
<SiFuh>
Manhattan?
<zorz>
SiFuh: i used to live in states... i drove all of I-95
<zorz>
Manhattan and Astoria/Queens
<zorz>
Astoria full of Greeks.
<SiFuh>
Fucking hell
<SiFuh>
How many people did you ask for directions since you never RTFM?
<zorz>
i had a map... no mobile phone.... fuckin jeanious... coins for phone booths.
<zorz>
map... something that young people have no clue nowdays.
<SiFuh>
I lived in LA (Anaheim), NY (Manhattan), RI (Manville)
<zorz>
this american phone booths you could not break them hahahaha
<zorz>
New Hampshire, Orlando FL, NYC Astoria
<SiFuh>
I haven't renewed my passport because I don't want a Biden passport.
<zorz>
from Florida used to love Tampa
<SiFuh>
I have never been to Florida
<SiFuh>
ampa Bay
<SiFuh>
Tampa Bay*
<zorz>
Florida is nice man... anywhere unless Miami
<zorz>
yes Tampa Bay
<SiFuh>
If Texas secedes, I want a Texan Passport
<zorz>
Tampa Bay, on the otherside Charleston....
<zorz>
Oracle went to Nashville Tenesse (superman) and Nashville starts getting awesome. But Dallas is Dallas.
<zorz>
Dallas Texas.... nice place.
<SiFuh>
jaeger is from Oklahoma
<SiFuh>
Dallas Texas.... nice place.
<SiFuh>
NO
<zorz>
Oklahoma only in the movies.
<SiFuh>
Dallas is full of fucking retards
<serpente>
ive read them, for the pedophile thing, he is defending democracy and the possibility of any shit to become a party, i dont agree with his political views, but extreme democrats and freedom defenders will let anyone share their tought, even such a stupid one like that
<serpente>
as for the OpenBSD mail, he is using his jargans that he uses for everything
<serpente>
only for it to be named Open is enough to him to criticize
<remiliascarlet>
Democracy is basically dictatorship with the illusion of free choice.
<serpente>
thats his philosophy, extreme and i like it
<SiFuh>
serpente: He wants credit. He is a credit whore. Yet he has done nothing
<serpente>
exactly remiliascarlet
<serpente>
exactly
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Democracy is 'Mob rule'
<zorz>
i do not see any Democracy in the world.
<serpente>
if he did not ever wanted credit or did talks i would most likely not get to his ideas, which i defend so hardly
<SiFuh>
zorz: Jones Plantation
<zorz>
what is this?
<zorz>
Rum?
<serpente>
Socrates talked public on the street, thats what philosophers do
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: ^ this is what democracry is. zorz ^
<zorz>
hahahaha
<serpente>
myself
<zorz>
serpente: Plato
<serpente>
ive read a couple of Platos books, which are dialogs from socrates
<serpente>
thas why i say Socrates instead of Plato
<zorz>
a student of Plato was Aristoteles
<serpente>
nope
<zorz>
a student of Aristoteles was Alexander
<remiliascarlet>
Richard went on the OpenBSD mailinglist to lecture that a bunch of Makefiles in the ports tree is somehow non-free software, and then others called him out on the fact that he makes absolutely sure you can compile Emacs on Windows, that you can use GCC to compile Windows, and other things, to which Richard tried to defend himself with arguments that made him seem even more hypocritical.
<serpente>
yeah, ive read the email, he talks of ports i see
<zorz>
Socrates-Plato-Aristoteles.
<remiliascarlet>
The OS is even blob-free.
<serpente>
and dont agree, but i wont hate him because of this, philosophers must maintain full integrate of their word, or they are imediately discredited
<SiFuh>
zorz: Socrates and Plato were dumb shits talking about shit they thought about
<serpente>
it is, and i reckon its superiority
<SiFuh>
serpente: No one said anything about hate... ONLY YOU
<serpente>
and i really believe in its team (obsd)
<serpente>
i hate lot, dont you?
<SiFuh>
Lot?
<serpente>
i friggin hatter
<serpente>
and i hate you SiFuh
<serpente>
but i love you too
<SiFuh>
I crack you like a walnut!
<serpente>
:p
<SiFuh>
Hahaha
<serpente>
try it
<SiFuh>
Easy
<remiliascarlet>
Hate love, but also love hate. Make sure you also hate hate and love love.
<SiFuh>
Did you watch the Jones Plantation movie yet?
<SiFuh>
I can name the people on one hand I hate
<SiFuh>
I don't have enough hands for the people I love
<SiFuh>
In Asia hate is a very powerful word
<SiFuh>
To the point where some cultures find the use of the word offensive
<serpente>
today you cant hate, you go to jail hahahah
<serpente>
"everything related is evil"
<SiFuh>
You are referring to 'hate crimes'
<SiFuh>
Created by the very people who hate you
<serpente>
they like to use the term: "hate speech"
<serpente>
true
<SiFuh>
Jews did the same after WW2
<SiFuh>
Holocaust denial is a crime and antisemitism is a hate crime
<serpente>
but genociding palestines isnt
<serpente>
hahahahah
<SiFuh>
As a God fearing person, they will get the just deserts
<SiFuh>
As a non God fearing person, Karma is going to be the world's biggest bitch
<remiliascarlet>
Your country sure has no real problems if it can come up with things like "hate crime", "hate speech", or however other bullshit term they use to just mean "silencing different opinions".
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Japan is actually one of the least racist countries on the planet
<SiFuh>
Just ignore the racism part and all is good
<zorz>
oooo its a mess password-store has bash and other dependancies. gorilla has tcl
<remiliascarlet>
Yes, of course!
<SiFuh>
Gorilla works for me
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: It saves passwords into an encrypted database
<remiliascarlet>
This is why I switched from password-store to sp.
<SiFuh>
Doesn't that use SQL?
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: And password-store and sp both save passwords in encrypted files.
<remiliascarlet>
No.
<remiliascarlet>
Literally files.
<serpente>
encrypted file?
<zorz>
ok tcl is not a mess actually gorilla looks more promising than password-store
<remiliascarlet>
PGP encrypted.
<SiFuh>
Fucking hell that was the dumbest reply ever
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: recommends it so it must suck
<remiliascarlet>
zorz: I missed nothing.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Do you watch a lot of anime?
<zorz>
git storage?
<serpente>
go ogle
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: Yes, together with your mom.
<zorz>
its for teams, fuck it
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: My mother hates cartoons
<remiliascarlet>
With your dad then.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Percentage. TV series, Movies and anime what would be your preferred viewing percentage?
<serpente>
watch Mr. Pickles cartoon istead
<zorz>
Google’s GenAI Bots Are Struggling. But So Are Its Humans HAHAHAHA
<remiliascarlet>
By TV series, what would you specify?
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: My dad is in the forest shooting shit with his bow and arrow most of the time. I think the last anime he ever watched was in the 90s
<SiFuh>
TV series and movies. Anime is in a class of its own even if a TV series or a movie.
<SiFuh>
I think 紅の豚 is the only anime my family ever watched
<remiliascarlet>
"TV series" is just so broad. Can be news (aka propaganda), comedians, drama........
<SiFuh>
Recommended by my father
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: No it can't
<SiFuh>
Translation thing?
<zorz>
actually gopass is good, its ready in the ports too.
<SiFuh>
Anyway, I am going to crash
<SiFuh>
zorz: go away. hahaha
<zorz>
HAHAHAHAHAHAA
<zorz>
HAHAHAHAHAHAA
<zorz>
HAHAHAHAHAHAA
<zorz>
SiFuh: :)
<SiFuh>
Good night
<remiliascarlet>
I'd say 70% Japanese anime, 20% Korean drama, 10% indie movies.
<remiliascarlet>
0% news/propaganda, and comedy if I have nothing better to do.
<remiliascarlet>
s/comedy/comedians
<zorz>
SiFuh: good night, & enjoy your weekend
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<farkuhar>
zorz: you're not the only one to experience breakage after upgrading your audio stack. Yesterday in #kisslinux user riteo discovered that combining the newest wireplumber with pipewire 1.0.3 leads to a quirky enumeration of the soundcards.
<farkuhar>
the fact that password-store does not enforce a particular organization schema is a double-edged sword. You get the freedom to organize your encrypted credentials however you want, but you can shoot yourself in the foot by only saving the passwords for each site, not the username. Gorilla and KeePassXC are better that way, prompting you for both the username and the password.
<zorz>
yes i read so.... i checked gopass aswell but to funcy. i need something simple for a few passwords. currently iam running lesspass as firefox addon. the cli is python.
<zorz>
i need to store something like 10 passwords, i will find a way with the fuction.
<remiliascarlet>
farkuhar: The way I organize is domain.tld/username for passwords, and domain without the tld for TOTP.
<remiliascarlet>
Fun fact: it's exactly large corporations and governments that get targetted and taken down successfully. Nice to see them living in their own delusions as usual.