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<remiliascarlet> SiFuh: "Do you smoke?" No.
<remiliascarlet> zorz: "we in Europe, like lite things" First world health problems.
<remiliascarlet> SiFuh: "OpenBSD has a erally advanced package manager" The only downside is the overall performance of the package manager.
<remiliascarlet> SiFuh: "Your teeth cleaner on the meat diet? Or you still need that fake shit tooth paste crap?" They're not cleaner without toothpaste, but they are strong and no caveties even if I don't use it. So I still use it, but purely to keep them clean.
<remiliascarlet> Yesterday evening I gave NetBSD a try. This morning NetBSD 10.0 came out. What a timing!
<remiliascarlet> "Biden decried for proclaiming Transfender Visibility Day on Easter Sunday", clear evidence that it's never good enough for these lunatics.
<remiliascarlet> No matter how much you push that ideology down everybody's throats, it's never gonna be visible enough to them!
<SiFuh> dlcusa: bsd.rd contains a shell. Your main system will be on FFS you can read and write to DOS, exfat, ext2. You can only read ext3, ext4, and NTFS. If you install ntfs-3g you can read and write to NTFS
<SiFuh> mkfs.exfat mkfs.ext2 mkfs.ext3 mkfs.ext4 mkfs.ntfs newfs newfs_ext2fs newfs_msdos
<remiliascarlet> You can typically circumvent these restrictions by connecting via NFS, but requires both OS's to be up and running at the same time.
<SiFuh> "self proclaimed chosenites." <-- hehe
<remiliascarlet> SiFuh: By the way, did I tell you that OpenIndiana is too slow?
<remiliascarlet> And that it has no support?
<SiFuh> remiliascarlet: Yes
<remiliascarlet> That's a pity.
<SiFuh> WTF?
<dlcusa> SiFuh, thanks for the info. So I can burn a USB key to boot bsd.rd and drop into a ksh to do multiple tar tvJ jobs against ext4 partitions on the box' hard drives to see if the box freezes like Linux?
<dlcusa> The body says I've pushed it long enough for this wake cycle--later.
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<ppetrov^> no idea what's happening, but Linux changet to summer time by itself
<SiFuh> dlcusa: Sure if you can mount ext4 under bsd.rd
<SiFuh> Not sure*
<SiFuh> I need a beer.
<SiFuh> zorz's desktop finally arrived in my inbox. Haha
<SiFuh> zorz what is that number 48 for?
<SiFuh> ppetrov^: Did you ever get the libblockdev thing sorted?
<SiFuh> I just had a look at the crux box. It is still compiling for 'prt-get sysup'
<SiFuh> [1697/3048] Building CXX object lib/Target/AArch64/CMakeFiles/LLVMAArch64CodeGen.dir/AArch64A53Fix835769.cpp.o
<ppetrov^> i did, it built fine after i rebuilt cryptsetup without static. However, the crux team reverted the build system of util-linux, so it doesn't matter anymore. The la files are there
<SiFuh> Doing LLVM
<SiFuh> ppetrov^: I see.
<ppetrov^> so, i should've just waited a day for them
<SiFuh> Heh
<SiFuh> Oh I see brianlfs and jaeger were discussing it. I missed that
<ppetrov^> in crux-devel?
<SiFuh> in #crux
<ppetrov^> mhm
<SiFuh> 02:27 <jaeger> Not sure what the best fix is for that, the latest util-linux seems to have broken the uuid lib and cryptsetup wants it. If you need a workaround now you could downgrade util-linux or add --disable-static to cryptsetup, I think
<ppetrov^> yes, i tried the --disable-static thing and it worked
<ppetrov^> however, since i have no idea what cryptsetup does, i'd prefer the CRUX devs to decide
<SiFuh> cryptsetup is so you can mount encrypted hard drives or encrypted partitions
<ppetrov^> 02:50 <jaeger> oooh, this is interesting... if I build util-linux 2.40 with autotools instead of meson it works
<ppetrov^> hehhe... this thing with the diff build systems is just nuts
<ppetrov^> same crap happened with freetype
<SiFuh> It was one of the ports I wanted pushed onto the CRUX ISO
<ppetrov^> SiFuh, is in in core?
<SiFuh> No, it should be in opt
<ppetrov^> mhm
<SiFuh> Yeah it is in opt.
<SiFuh> I'd probably have chucked a sissy fit if it was in core since it doesn't belong in core just like linux-PAM
<ppetrov^> where can i find your linux pam rant?
<SiFuh> Here sometimes, in #crux sometimes. Haha
<SiFuh> Heh, I don't want to read it. :-P
<SiFuh> Here is the previous rant that farkuhar was referring to
<SiFuh> PAM in core makes my blood boil. Hahaha
<ppetrov^> so, wait a moment... one of the core devs is using wayland?
<ppetrov^> so, is CRUX going to switch to wayland?
<SiFuh> Not that I know of
<SiFuh> But yes one is using
<ppetrov^> and, is pam part of core at the moment or it will be in crux 3.8?
<ppetrov^> i know i can check, i am on my second coffee only... and i am lazy
<SiFuh> It's in core already. That is what my big beef is about
<SiFuh> Some lazy retard thought he would offload PAM on everyone even though some people don't use it and it isn't an essential item
<ppetrov^> have you discussed with the core team? using other words, of course
<SiFuh> So now if I install crux core. I must uninstall it
<SiFuh> ppetrov^: HAHAHA sometimes
<ppetrov^> no, i mean: now
<ppetrov^> maybe they will listen?
<SiFuh> It's already got me in a bad mood again, better to wait :-P
<ppetrov^> ah, well sorry
<SiFuh> And I want to drill a hole in her dashboard so I can install a second cigarette lighter socket since the original one is in a stupid spot which is right behind the hand brake.
<SiFuh> And her parents want me to paint a wall in their house.
<SiFuh> But I will probably get their grand children to do it. Then after they have painted an ugly job over the wall. I will just roller over it.
<SiFuh> Cool I don't have to paint today. They said next week
<SiFuh> Hmm, it may rain. So I will need to put the autogate rebuild on hold.
<SiFuh> I want to rip out all this and replace everything except the battery, and wire it up slightly different https://s3.amazonaws.com/i.snag.gy/tLsCP7.jpg
<ppetrov^> what is this thing, SiFuh?
<SiFuh> Control board to open the gates in the driveway.
<SiFuh> The battery is for being able to open when there is a black out. On the top is a small box which is the receiver box. he wire on the left coming out of the receiver box is the antenna but some clown cut it shorter.
<SiFuh> Probably why they spend 10 minutes outside trying to open the gate just to park their cars.
<SiFuh> And I don't know why they wired the transformer directly to the main power supply. There is a section on that board that they should have attached the transformer too but they didn't
<SiFuh> Usually she pays some people to come and look at it and repair it cause it constantly has issues. The issues are still present. Now no one wants to come back. They hate it and refuse to touch it. So I decided I will do it myself and change everything. Set it up the way it should be as well
<SiFuh> I will put in a 12volt transformer instead of this 13V to 18V. I will change the main board to an S-1 because they are much nicer to work with. Even have a cut off switch. And I will put in a new 433MHZ receiver box. And it won't be locked to 6 remotes so they should be able to use as many remotes as they want.
<SiFuh> If they have a signal issue, I may replace the receiver to 330MHZ since I know they work fine here
<remiliascarlet> SiFuh: About zorz's desktop, I actually liked the white text better to be honest.
<SiFuh> I don't mind it
<zorz> morning people
<ppetrov^> mornin
<zorz> SiFuh: 4 8 4=total number of windows in all desktops 8 active desktop as in the red color
<zorz> ppetrov^: Добро утро
<zorz> remiliascarlet: you can change the colors as you please. :Pp
<ppetrov^> Καλημέρα zorz
<ppetrov^> Калимера
<ppetrov^> heh
<zorz> heh
<ppetrov^> modern day Cyrillic: latin + simplified greek
<zorz> actually greek is in cyrillic? i thought was in latin.
<ppetrov^> m?
<zorz> the other day SiFuh told me i had cyrrilic and i read your greek
<ppetrov^> Калимера <- that's in cyrillic
<zorz> ppetrov^: sorry was talking for fonts.
<ppetrov^> ah
<zorz> Калимера that is cyrillic indeed.
<ppetrov^> i have Bitstream Mono and it displays latin, cyrillic, greek, chinese japanese charater, etc
<zorz> aaaaa that is why.
<zorz> iam with default openbsd fonts. in irssi i can see everything. in firefox cannot see japan or chinesse... thos fonts not.
<remiliascarlet> Out of the box CJK font support on just about any free OS is a pain in the ass.
<remiliascarlet> Which is why to me keeping the fonts entirely default is just unworkable.
<zorz> remiliascarlet: i do not install because no point for myself... i do not understand.
<zorz> good news people..... I almost done with csv. this evening i will change the sql hooks on the web page. v2 is ready.
<remiliascarlet> zorz: "i do not understand." Easy: because not being able to read your own native language just because you don't use a proprietary OS is pointless!
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<zorz> remiliascarlet: i meant for me to install japanesse fonts for example. ok I install them, I can read now fonts in web pages but no point since I do not understand a thing.
<remiliascarlet> Oh, I thought you meant you don't understand why anyone at all would want to install a font.
<zorz> remiliascarlet: no no no ofcourse not.
<remiliascarlet> Apparently, there used to be a Gentoo/FreeBSD, Gentoo/OpenBSD, and Gentoo/NetBSD (so Gentoo with one of the BSD kernels instead of Linux).
<remiliascarlet> And all of them seem to have been abandoned.
<zorz> first debian
<zorz> maybe still is.
<zorz> debian had bsd kernel.
<remiliascarlet> Soon: CRUX has replaced the Linux kernel with the OpenBSD kernel over Rust in the Linux kernel and Gayland. CruxBSD comes with PAM in core and tight jeans!
<zorz> hahaha
<zorz> TJ Os
<zorz> Tight Jeans Operating System.
<zorz> The development of Debian GNU/kFreeBSD has officially terminated as of July 2023 due to the lack of interest and volunteers.
<zorz> no point. if you want BSD kernel, use a BSD :)
<remiliascarlet> Or HyperbolaBSD, seems like they're almost ready to officially announce their pre-alpha build.
<remiliascarlet> Also, looks like GNU doesn't like the BSD license for some reason: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/bsd.html
<remiliascarlet> I'd much rather say that the GPL license is a problem.
<zorz> i do not know why, but my enstict does not like gnu
<remiliascarlet> Imagine if OpenBSD was released under GPL, we would have even more insecure software, networks, and infrastructures around the world than they are now, because no company would want absolutely avoid any code made by Theo and co.
<remiliascarlet> Enstict?
<remiliascarlet> Is that a family member?
<zorz> enstict as in feeling
<zorz> yes....
<remiliascarlet> Instinct.
<remiliascarlet> Even then, "instinct" in this context doesn't make much sense.
<zorz> ooooo sorry Ενστικτο its with E in greeck
<remiliascarlet> Maybe English teacher SiFuh can give a more proper correction.
<zorz> no no no, no need!
<remiliascarlet> Yeah, you probably won't even remember 5 seconds later anyway.
<remiliascarlet> s/no company would want/every company would want
<remiliascarlet> Althought OpenBSD prefers to use ISC license instead of BSD.
<remiliascarlet> Even though Theo doesn't like the updated ISC license.
<zorz> never searched it so deep... the less i know the better it is :)
<remiliascarlet> The tighter your jeans, the less you want to know.
<zorz> heh
<remiliascarlet> https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:manual:contrib:hyperbolabsd_roadmap&redirect=1 I wonder how many weeks it will take for them to build the ported kernel under FreeBSD bmake.
<zorz> and why to change from openbsd or freebsd to hyperbola bsd ?
<ppetrov^> hmm.. is it possible to make CRUX with BSD kernel?
<remiliascarlet> I didn't say that.
<remiliascarlet> I might give it a try out of curiosity.
<zorz> remiliascarlet: ok! respect.
<zorz> if was going back to linux i would run this kernel https://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/
<zorz> amd machines should be fine.
<remiliascarlet> The problem I see with HyperbolaBSD is that I don't really see any practical use for it. I mean, FreeBSD is all about performance, having a large package manager, and advanced networking, OpenBSD is all about security, code correctness, and even more security, NetBSD is all about staying as true to the original BSD as possible and being able to run on literally everything, and Dragonfly BSD is
<remiliascarlet> all about scalability and storage.
<remiliascarlet> HyperbolaBSD is all about what? Freetardism?
<zorz> remiliascarlet: on my old box, i wish i could run freebsd... fast as linux.
<remiliascarlet> 3 main BSD's has already enough IMO, then in 2004 we got a 4th, and soon a 5th.
<remiliascarlet> This is excluding "distro's" like FuguIta (OpenBSD) or TrueOS (FreeBSD).
<zorz> many people i know changed from linux to freebsd
<SiFuh> "my enstict does not like gnu" <-- huh?
<zorz> SiFuh: never mind.
<SiFuh> I have an innate behavioral tendency do dislike GNU. I guess it's in an instinct.
<SiFuh> Hahaha
<zorz> fuck off!
<SiFuh> Intuitively I dislike GNU
<zorz> :Pp
<zorz> yes the second one is more proper for my use case.
<ppetrov^> SiFuh, in bulgarian "gnus" means "disgusting"
<zorz> hahahahaha
<ppetrov^> гнус
<zorz> ppetrov^: hahahahaha
<ppetrov^> so, there you go
<SiFuh> zorz: is gnus
<zorz> gnu is gnus
<ppetrov^> and linux, if pronoinced lainux, sound very much like "shit"
<ppetrov^> so gnus/lainux
<SiFuh> Australians always pronounce it like that
<SiFuh> Shits me big time. I have been in many disputes over it and won everytime with the old sound file used to test ALSA
<zorz> Australians = gnus
<remiliascarlet> I used to like GNU, but seeing how bloated literally everything they make is, how far behind they are on the rest, and how buggy everything is, I always tend to prefer alternatives.
<remiliascarlet> Richard Stallman pronounces "Linux" as "Lunaks".
<zorz> man SiFuh was a nice afternoon, why you spoil it like this? You are a talent!
<remiliascarlet> SiFuh was a nice afternoon?
<remiliascarlet> Is he an evening now?
<zorz> was till he send the youtube link
<remiliascarlet> Ah, so he's a night now. OK.
<SiFuh> No, I am covered in PVC because I was also working on my eel trap today. The glue might not work because it is as old as the dinosaurs.
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<SiFuh> farkuhar: Also, I just realised what those two white wires are for in that image I sent a few days back. They are for the internal switch in the living room for opening the gate.
<farkuhar> SiFuh: Good detective work. Does the living room switch get used much?
<SiFuh> Not really
<SiFuh> I think only I use it, so I should have known.
<farkuhar> Now that the KISS Linux website is back online, I'm studying it to see why a CRUX refugee might be enticed there, rather than to one of the BSDs. It looks like their official repository takes the beerman approach of going all-in on Wayland, but at least there's no trace of linux-pam.
<zorz> https://hack.org/mc/ mc is a good programmer he coded mcwm window manager on top of xcb years ago. He is using wayland. maybe he knows something better.
<farkuhar> The one KISS Linux user I briefly corresponded with, said that it was the bloat of CRUX's core collection (and the need to actively remove packages from a base install) that drove him to try out KISS Linux instead.
<remiliascarlet> farkuhar: "going all-in on Wayland" Good reason for me to not switch to KISS Linux then.
<remiliascarlet> Both Linux and BSD fulfil their own niches. Linux for those who like to have separate building blocks and piece them together using whichever parts they want, and BSD for those who want a consistent OS where every tool is made by a single team, and thus work seemlessly together.
<SiFuh> And every port is compiled against every port, almost like bootstrapping
<zorz> myself I do not use X neither wayland, I am with xenocara. :Ppp
<remiliascarlet> zorz: Actually, Xenocara is just X, according to OpenBSD themselves: https://www.xenocara.org/
<remiliascarlet> "The goal of Xenocara is to provide a framework to host local modifications and to automate the build of the modular X.Org components, including 3rd party packages and some software maintained by OpenBSD developers. It is not a fork. We are tracking X.Org modifications and try to push back our changes whenever they are good for upstreams too."
<zorz> joking!
<SiFuh> [ meningococcal ~ ]> cat /etc/X11/xenodm/xenodm-config |grep sifuh
<SiFuh> DisplayManager*autoLogin: sifuh
<zorz> farkuhar: but in wayland everybody follows wlroots i think velox approach with https://github.com/michaelforney/swc maybe better.
<zorz> kiss is velox?
<zorz> nope wlroots.
<SiFuh> Too much bloat. Better to use FreeDOS
<SiFuh> Or Haiku https://www.haiku-os.org/
<zorz> hahaha
<zorz> i like linux on shutdown rm -f /etc/machine-id rm -f /var/lib/dbus/machine-id on boot... new ids.
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<ppetrov^> SiFuh, is haiku that OS written in assembly?
<ppetrov^> or was it colibri os
<SiFuh> Kolibri is written in FASM assembly language
<SiFuh> KolibriOS was forked off of MenuetOS in 2004
<ppetrov^> interesting
<ppetrov^> thanks
<ppetrov^> man, it's so nice to have a relaxing beer
<SiFuh> Why? Do you have unrelaxing beers as well?
<ppetrov^> heh
<ppetrov^> good point
<SiFuh> Man, it's so nice to have a stressful beer.
<ppetrov^> no, i mean, it's a long weekend and finaly managed to get some sleep
<ppetrov^> yes, a beer that keeps you on the edge
<SiFuh> I have a hundred or so beers to bottle tomorrow.
<ppetrov^> homebrew?
<SiFuh> No, outsidebrew. Hahaha Of course homebrew
<remiliascarlet> I was interested in Haiku, until it was crashing a few minutes after booting.
<remiliascarlet> And I'm not a fan of managing packages from a GUI either.
<remiliascarlet> And FreeDOS's coreutils are too weird.
<SiFuh> And it doesn't even rhyme!
<remiliascarlet> Because I'm not some 1970's hipster.
<SiFuh> OpenIndiana Hipster
<remiliascarlet> In OpenBSD, we pledge and unveil. In NetBSD, they refuse: http://man.netbsd.org/NetBSD-10.0/refuse.3
<SiFuh> Clever. Redoing FUSE and calling it REFUSE
<zorz> from the time, I reliazed what OpenBSD is, I stop looking elsewhere. What I need is a cwm, statusbar you script one, run-mailcap to run files the way I like, vim, emacs-gtk, python, mariadb, ffplay with a script for livetv. and a little firefox. Very important that i do not have xclip installed. KISS
<zorz> if in future i will need a server, as mc says I run freebsd mainly of jail and zfs. I will read and do it. As microsoft did.
<ppetrov^> is OpenBSD that wonderful, zorz?
<zorz> speaking of xclip, wayland apps rely on wl-clipboard... I do not see any security in there.
<zorz> ppetrov^: as Tina Turner says Simply the BesT!
<ppetrov^> :D
<zorz> if you ever get hacked.... pray not to have clipboard :Pp
<ppetrov^> i don't get it
<zorz> loggers
<zorz> anyway... its better to avoid if you can xclip or any kind of clipboard managemnt.
<zorz> SiFuh: yes
<zorz> not xclip
<ppetrov^> zorz, I have a clipboard manager
<zorz> ppetrov^: LG makes life easy.
<SiFuh> Yes xorg. :-P
<ppetrov^> at the moment, it remembers Kalimera, since i used google translate, a few file paths and some random shit
<SiFuh> PRIMARY and CLIPBOARD
<zorz> SiFuh: yes.
<SiFuh> SECONDARY
<zorz> ppetrov^: https://dpaste.com/DWWFXQ643 this is the output of the scrap of one supermarket... look.
<SiFuh> Scrap?
<zorz> alias dpaste works well this is python output on xterm.
<zorz> oooo SiFuh hahahaa
<ppetrov^> ΚΤΗΜΑ ΜΥΡΤΙΑ Ελαιόλαδο Εξαιρετικό Παρθένο Κτήμα Μυρτιά 1 λιτ 12.90
<ppetrov^> yes, i get everything
<zorz> :)
<ppetrov^> zorz, do cows in Greece say µuuu?
<ppetrov^> or the regular muu
<ppetrov^> (it's a joke)
<zorz> this is the old, not the version2. the first version does mistakes. the version2 will go up tonight. is perfect.
<zorz> ppetrov^: cows in greece do μοουυυυυυ :Pp
<ppetrov^> :D
<SiFuh> Wua
<zorz> Wua is Thai cow?
<SiFuh> Yes
<zorz> I like veal!
<zorz> ppetrov^: basically what you see in the paste is the input for sql. the hardest part was to isolate the units and unit measure from the html. So if is 1 lt or 1 kg or gr to be put in diferrent columns so you can work with quantities
<dlcusa> SiFuh, thanks for reviewing my approach. If I discover bsd.rc won't mount ext4, I'll just install OpenBSD for more hands-on evaluation. Since the kernel is normally not user-customized, are there are many debugging features that can be configured in real-time?
<SiFuh> dlcusa: Not than I am aware. But one thng I do like about OpenBSD's dmesg is that it prints heaps of useful information. Especially if something is not working properly.
<dlcusa> The ports-changes mailing list seems a lot less busy that the GNU/Linux equivalent. I just noticed "[update] wayfire 0.8.1"--incoming?
<zorz> I am happy when i see SiFuh helping people and not drinking beers! :-) dlcusa welcome to the family.
<SiFuh> zorz: I am drinking beers
<dlcusa> I thought he need the necessary lubrication to help people.
<zorz> hehe just teasing... enjoy guys!
<SiFuh> zorz: You never read do you?
<SiFuh> Man, it's so nice to have a stressful beer. <---
<zorz> and tomorrow outside bottling 100
<dlcusa> Definitely need to remember that one.
<SiFuh> This is the kernel config
<SiFuh> There looks like there are some debugging features commented out
<dlcusa> Thanx, SiFuh.
<SiFuh> And this is the big kernel config for amd64
<zorz> now that I remember i forgot to mention to ppetrov^ is ppetrov^ still in ?
<SiFuh> I see no commented out debugging stuff for the amd64
<ppetrov^> wut zorz ?
<SiFuh> [21 17 20] [ppetrov^> man, it's so nice to have a relaxing beer
<ppetrov^> i am here for a little while
<SiFuh> w00t
<dlcusa> This box is a Sabertooth with a Radeon garphics board--hand-me-down from my CS Master first-born son.
<zorz> ppetrov^: aksing about OpenBSD and if is that good... one thing i can i assure you that with OpenBSD you will never have libxml compile bordelle issues :PPpp
<ppetrov^> zorz, might give it a try
<zorz> you will, R runs everywhere.
<ppetrov^> heh
<ppetrov^> and r studio?
<ppetrov^> :P
<zorz> in my mind libxml=ppetrov^
<zorz> hahahaha
<ppetrov^> heh
<zorz> r studio do it your self :)
<ppetrov^> in my mind csv=zorz
<zorz> ppetrov^: normal!
<zorz> SiFuh: ???
<SiFuh> OpenBSD has all security enhancements enabled by default, which are hard, going on impossible, to disable.
<SiFuh> Haha
<zorz> Haha!
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<SiFuh> dlcusa: Can always install OpenBSD to a flashdrive and have a fully fledged portable OpenBSD
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<zorz> SiFuh: yes, this is the bible!
<dlcusa> I expect that is coming to a flashdrive near me very soon--thanx again, stressed one.
<SiFuh> Oh wow, the secretary from Ghost Busters 2, Janine Melnitz is the grandmother from the series Young Sheldon
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<SiFuh> Good read
<zorz> bookmarked!
<remiliascarlet> SiFuh: Glad to see that Victor finally noticed the very thing I've been saying for decades already.
<remiliascarlet> Better late than never, I guess.
<SiFuh> remiliascarlet: Who is Victor?
<remiliascarlet> SiFuh: "The Era of Informed Consent is Over by Victor Dalziel | Brownstone Institute"
<remiliascarlet> Oh yeah, I find some conflicting things about the origin of OpenBSD. NetBSD guys say they kicked Theo out of NetBSD for being an asshole, but OpenBSD guys say that Theo left NetBSD on his own because the NetBSD guys were a bunch of assholes.
<SiFuh> Oh the pdcaster
<SiFuh> podcaster*
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<remiliascarlet> "You are already an OpenBSD user!" I disagree with this paragraph. In this sense literally everyone is a Linux user because YouTube, Twitter, and Fakebook are hosted on a Linux server, and literally everyone is also a Minix user because every Intel chip shipped since 2008 contains Minix embedded into the IME chip.
<remiliascarlet> Or that literally everyone is a Windows user because they know at least 1 person that uses Windows.
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<remiliascarlet> "by the remaining members of 'core'." PAM confirmed!
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<remiliascarlet> This whole email reads like NetBSD in 1994 was already living in the late 2010s/early 2020s.
<remiliascarlet> Also, weird to see that they apparently have 23 months in a year.
<farkuhar> MM/DD/YYYY is an Americanism stemming from the spoken form of a date: "December twenty-third, nineteen ninety-four". Other locales use a spoken form that corresponds to the more logical DD/MM/YYYY.
<SiFuh> I prefer YYY/MM/DD
<SiFuh> But in spoken for we don't usually say January the first. We say first of January
<farkuhar> That's what I meant by "other locales" and their spoken form.
<SiFuh> 12 beans in a bottle. A bottle of 12 beans. Hahaha
<farkuhar> Heh, the list of ports in the official KISS Linux repositories is followed by some ASCII art depicting a tombstone for Xorg: https://kisslinux.org/wiki
<farkuhar> It took me a while to decipher the ASCII art. They leave a lot for the imagination to fill in.
<SiFuh> The tree with flowers?
<SiFuh> Hmm or is that a house
<farkuhar> Probably a tree with flowers. But the art just hammers home the point that the BDFL went all-in on Wayland.
<farkuhar> SiFuh: when you said that zorz sent his desktop to your inbox, my first thought was an actual shipment of hardware from Greece to Malaysia. Then I clicked the link and understood it was just a picture of his desktop environment.
<zorz> farkuhar: dont worry is just the way of myself typing/talking... confusing :PPPp
<SiFuh> farkuhar: Haha
<zorz> hahaa
<farkuhar> zorz: not your fault ... I've just been spending so much time at the computer that the word "inbox" does not trigger any special association with electronic delivery, it becomes a catchall term for any kind of delivery, including by plane or ship.
<SiFuh> Thought that was a mailbox
<zorz> SiFuh: just did the irc script, is cool, installed scrot. got really upset with linux because on openbsd i installed only scrot and in linux yesterday i also installed lib this lib that lib the other one. the point is now..... how do I upload HAHAHA, maybe if i will place the photo in Downloads dir.
<zorz> farkuhar: I also wrote pigeon mail :Ppp
<farkuhar> The distinction between inbox and mailbox got blurred for me, thanks to so many hours staring at a screen this past week.
* zorz bbl going to buy cigarettes
<SiFuh> I need a beer
<SiFuh> Oh wait, I already have one. Okay, I need another beer
<SiFuh> I'll be here till the factory quits making me. Sincerely, Beer
<zorz> ok SiFuh https://file.io/8YpVFCaZ7aRw just need to change the colors.
<zorz> in this second shot https://file.io/o3Q34guvEKKj you see cat5 talking in #openbsd. so no need to roll channels.
<SiFuh> Blue?
<SiFuh> You never changed the irssi theme
<zorz> no... i will change the colors... but the implementation works... i see messages of the channels that iam in
<zorz> when on irc, only in #crux-social, i miss #crux if has action.... once every backdoored lib. or something in openbsd which you can learn.
<zorz> its just a handy script for not checking all the time other channels.
<dlcusa> SiFuh, I read Part 1 and 2 and 3--cannot believe I have been ignoring OpenBSD for so many decades. I wish I'd read these long ago. At least the light has finally illuminated.
<zorz> dlcusa: you are illuminati now ? :Pp
<dlcusa> No, but I am now purposeful.
<zorz> just kidding... we have fun in this channel. thats why -social.
<dlcusa> You'll get used to my low-key approach.
<SiFuh> zorz annoying everyone is fun for we?
<zorz> I am just saying do not missunderstand most of us we are nice people in this #channel. Only minor extraordinary exceptions... mostly because of wrong sperm.
<zorz> SiFuh: come again ?
<SiFuh> [01 22 23] [zorz> just kidding... we have fun in this channel. thats why -social.
<SiFuh> [01 24 28] [SiFuh> zorz annoying everyone is fun for we?
<zorz> oooooo
<zorz> do I annoy you ?
<SiFuh> Of course
<dlcusa> 90%+ run OpenSSH, so they are OpenBSD software users, not necessarily OpenBSD kernel users.
<zorz> dlcusa: if you will use cwm, you will get a menu to log in your shells out of the box.
<SiFuh> Theo resigning from NetBSD may have been a good thing. Look at all that has been contributed to other distro's and OS's because of it
<dlcusa> The unmerited low visibility of OpenBSD may have been an overall good this--they are much less a target of corruption.
<dlcusa> s/this/thing/
<SiFuh> https://irssi-import.github.io/themes/liszt.png Choose this one. But change the line to an open circle. Hahaha
<SiFuh> dlcusa: It has been targetted a lot. I think it is that Theo has a very powerful "No!"
<dlcusa> Point. I don't know all the stories that have been or could be told.
<zorz> wait... i do csv at the same time... choose what ?
<zorz> SiFuh: so far did not check for themes. only scripts i run is urlgrab.pl and notify.pl which i had to change.
<zorz> SiFuh: you are loaded of scripts :)
<SiFuh> of? with
<zorz> irssi scripts...
<SiFuh> You are loaded _WITH_ scripts
<zorz> you show me yesterday... remember?
<zorz> ok.... WITH for now on.
<SiFuh> No, I have a super bad memory. Apparently I have now opened 27 beers because I had forgotten that I was already drinking 26 others.
<dlcusa> But now you don't have to carry any in your travels--one awaits you at every place you've been recently.
<SiFuh> Hehe
<zorz> :)
<dlcusa> Will be away indefinitely (note I am actually mentioning it)...
<SiFuh> Indefinitely not definitely
<dlcusa> I was definitely away indefinitely but now the indefiniteness has been quantized--restarting away cycle...
<SiFuh> :-P
<SiFuh> Old news
<SiFuh> And where is the list?
<zorz> thats why i followed the link, for the list
<SiFuh> find . -iname 'zorz' -exec mv '{}' ~/.trash \;
<SiFuh> There is no list
<SiFuh> link*
<zorz> :P
<SiFuh> [ meningococcal ~ ]> trash --list
<SiFuh> Trash bin is empty
<zorz> nothing zorz ?
<zorz> :P
<SiFuh> [ meningococcal ~ ]> rm --empty
<SiFuh> trash : Are you sure you want to empty the trash bin? [y/N] y
<SiFuh> Trash bin emptied
<zorz> ok
<SiFuh> Okay
<zorz> ok
<SiFuh> for f in *.flac;do ffmpeg -i "${f}" -ab 320k -map_metadata 0 -id3v2_version 3 "${f%.*}".mp3;done;
<zorz> clever... you have many .flac files ?
<SiFuh> I like flac and ogg
<zorz> who is using flac any way?
<zorz> haha
<SiFuh> But the womans shitty car can only play mp3s
<zorz> you use flac
<SiFuh> In Soviet Russia flac uses you!
<zorz> good thing you run ffmpeg... reminds me of imagemagick changing webp to png.
<SiFuh> convert
<zorz> correct thx
<SiFuh> The comman is 'convert'
<SiFuh> command*
<zorz> i used a few times mogrify
<SiFuh> Who is Mog?
<zorz> with image magick what I used webp to png was mogrify.
<SiFuh> They name so many beer brands in their song
<zorz> san miguel
<zorz> SiFuh: now with the current I enjoy opening your youtube links... before in firefox was pain in the arse
<zorz> current setup
<zorz> SiFuh: myself I rarely watch youtube.
<zorz> Sam - Cold beer
<zorz> SiFuh: build a linux os named beerux
<zorz> linux distro beerux
<zorz> HAHA
<SiFuh> Beerrun
<zorz> why not.
<SiFuh> Best beer run ever
<zorz> Cyanide ?
<zorz> ouzooooooo
<zorz> funny. the end no good.
<zorz> this i stopped it... I do have a headache now. but day today
<zorz> but=bad
<SiFuh> B, double E, double R, U, N, beer run...
<zorz> this is what i miss in London the pubs
<SiFuh> zorz: If you want a headache you should listen to Scuzz Twittly then. HAHAHA
<zorz> stop it!!!
<SiFuh> No!
<zorz> enough python for today... not even python vim and csv, I became expert in dd p
<SiFuh> How about Wheeler Walker Jr.?
<zorz> I do not know both of them.... and I do not mind not having them in my broader inner knowlegde.
<SiFuh> Hahahahahaha
<zorz> :-)
<SiFuh> The lyrics should be enough
<zorz> At least he pissed in the coffee pot the other guy was playing his dick
<zorz> vanker wanker... how do you spell it?
<SiFuh> If you can read this then the bitch fell off, that's a sticker on a bike
<SiFuh> Sure, but it's also a tattoo inked on my dick
<SiFuh> HAHAHA
<SiFuh> Wanker dude
<zorz> wanking
<SiFuh> I didn't allow any of his songs in my Taxi
<SiFuh> I did allow Scuzz Twittly though
<zorz> you gave me an idea today SiFuh which is quite easy for me to implement.... not even a day. instead of trying to find where to paste photos, upload them on the server and dedicate a page for viewing.
<SiFuh> I use to do that
<zorz> like bitchute, small pics... you click getting large. with pythons fastapi i can read and post something like find and view
<zorz> no need for dedicated html
<SiFuh> It was all good until they started putting cameras on phones
<zorz> This is a disaster... and because phones not enough for them... they put on TVs aswell.
<SiFuh> PHP
<zorz> ok but no need for php with fastapi
<zorz> let me paste something for you to understand.
<zorz> this looks better... but i want to scp on the folder and the folder displayed immediatelly
<zorz> this example https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/abb0c4bea88d creates the coffee page
<zorz> its even harder reads from sql
<zorz> instead i can ask read png
<zorz> uvicorn serves all the time.... as soon as the directory or file changes is autoupdate
<zorz> i am impressed with uvicorn server. i go in the shell change a word on an html file, done finish. no restart nothing.
<zorz> with this approach no need to care if on the folder you have 1 2 3 10 50 photos.
<zorz> you just scp photos in the folder
<zorz> SiFuh: it is more easy than you can imagine.
<SiFuh> Fuck off
<zorz> hahaha
<zorz> love you.
<SiFuh> My imagination is awesome
<zorz> You are spiritual guidance!
<zorz> on digital world!
<SiFuh> ....
<zorz> ......
<zorz> I finish.... csv version2 as soon as i finish... i will make a page for me... and then if you like second page give access to upload your shit :p
<zorz> SiFuh: fuck this job!
<SiFuh> zorz: Redneck shit.
<zorz> Mountain Dew!
<zorz> Drink a Mountain Dew!
<ppetrov^> i tried that, it's nothing special
<zorz> ppetrov^: the Sprite or the 7up is not special ?
<zorz> ::::PPPp
<ppetrov^> Mountain Dew
<ppetrov^> i like sprite
<ppetrov^> never tried 7up
<zorz> I was in states never had Mountain Dew, lots of miller and ice house though
<zorz> spite/cocacola 7up/pepsi
<SiFuh> Oi asshole
<SiFuh> zorz: Here is one I did in PHP in 2004 with childrens music. Just copy into the folder and PHP displays them in a HTML page https://dpaste.com/7FPKH5DHN.txt
* zorz offers SiFuh a glass of iced Mountain Dew!
<SiFuh> I don't drink that type of poison
<zorz> hahahah
<zorz> poison!
<SiFuh> All chemicals are toxic.
<SiFuh> Therefore everything you eat and drink are poisons
<zorz> unless has alcohol in it.... kills poisons.
<SiFuh> Dare you to drink 3 litres of water as fast as you can. You will probably need an ambulance
<ppetrov^> huehuehue
<zorz> drink water??? get rusty? :::PPppp
<SiFuh> I was freaking pissed off when I offered the wife's sister's husband a beer and he said to me that he doesn't drink beer it is bad for the health. While he was handing Coca Cola out to everyone.
<SiFuh> I so wanted to punch his face for being so stupid
<zorz> they say in greek leave the blind person in his dark room. Do not try to give him light. - So We are not here to change the world. we are here to be better day bye day
<SiFuh> Better to no let the blind person go to school or they will become more blind
<zorz> somewhere in the way people tend to miss the destination.
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<SiFuh> zorz: I have noticed you miss the path... RTFM hahaha
<zorz> hahaha
<zorz> I took a few shortcuts... which did not run well
<zorz> ppetrov, now he left... he misses the best part.
<SiFuh> He's gone to drink 3 litres of water
<SiFuh> Overhydration can lead to water toxicity, also known as water poisoning. Your body’s water volume becomes too large for your kidneys to excrete
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<zorz> ahahha
<zorz> SiFuh: I know...
<zorz> SiFuh: listen want to lough look this paste just did update. The devs over there for sure had a fight.
<zorz> bsdutils was patched for libsystemd
<SiFuh> Fuck debian
<zorz> hahahahaha
<zorz> ofcourse fuck debian!
<zorz> Lets make it broader.... fuck Linux!
<zorz> Linux only for dockers.
<SiFuh> Fuck dockers, they run on linux
<zorz> yeahhhh fuck dockers... piss on dockers
<zorz> lets see and hetzner cloud....
<zorz> bsdextrautils bsdutils eject fdisk libblkid1 libfdisk1 libmount1 libsmartcols1 libuuid1 mount util-linux util-linux-extra util-linux-locales
<zorz> fuck linux
<SiFuh> Why the fuck did you just send me the same thing you sent in a URL?
<zorz> this is from the cloud... different machine
<SiFuh> I think you were dropped on your head at birth
<zorz> hahaha
<zorz> SiFuh: make a few budget calculations please.... for a server.
<SiFuh> Shot out like an eel and smashed head first onto the floor, slid down the hall and was kicked by a nurse accidentally.
<zorz> octomber that i will be back, we build a freebsd personnal server. 70 euro a month static ip. its ok
<zorz> fuck cloud services.
<SiFuh> A woman gives birth to the ugliest baby ever. The husband is shocked. The mother says "Oh, look at our child, so beautiful. What a little treasure" the husband replies "Let's go bury the treasure"
<zorz> you are mean now
<SiFuh> I will never use FreeBSD as a server.
<zorz> ok... openbsd then we will do it your way
<SiFuh> I ran FreeBSD as a server for a short time. It sucked massively.
<zorz> I trust you man!
<SiFuh> No you odn't you liar
<SiFuh> don't*
<zorz> No I do
<zorz> just you will tell me.... buy this motherboard, this cpu , this nvme that amount of ram.. and electric power
<zorz> so we build a nice server to serve my page and other staff aswell
<SiFuh> Found your CPU
<zorz> not epyc ?
<SiFuh> You might have to sell that island you plan to work on
<zorz> i missed 3 years ago a motherboard with dual opteron .... very unlucky day.
<SiFuh> I missed Tadpole Computer. By the time I saved up the money they closed down
<zorz> hahaha
<zorz> listen, just make a plan for a budget server.
<zorz> hopefully with 2-3 grant will be ok
<SiFuh> https://www.ebay.com/itm/202742936408?itmmeta=01HTB6AM62GXJ616PZZN5WTWKE&hash=item2f346bb358:g:TrMAAOSw7jddOt7M&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA4L6FtomnQZLw0BC64%2ByXVUe9r4JZfrxC13fjdD%2F7v3JJ8l0UUSn20qkY3FBYCQv3AOCqG3JBBBSv55QMSFLjUfybzDZ1H10fLAlzPxnivtT6L5h5GIJzZUzdAHqFnYUAK2s%2FDInaiZHYCQt%2FCvc4Afpi30lCOmhpwrDXJ7X6idJu5Zj%2FUfHPzP1xm8pSRa2a5UvKgW7ItJQT%2BVF5%2Fa8NzvUWbXF%2B7vjOmmd2hdAMXoRKgs0jLunqrlgaj3rnP5p11
<SiFuh> EifdyRUjEC1ouYrmggu8U9tlqMZo8MuYCbREnGFXeld%7Ctkp%3ABFBMmMOq5tJj
<zorz> ?
<zorz> broken link
<SiFuh> Glue it together silly
<zorz> sun oracle Sun Oracle X4-2 CTO Base Server 8x 2.5" HDD Bay Dual CPU 16x DIMM 2x 600W PSU
<SiFuh> https://www.ebay.com/itm/126191897809?epid=17040096851&itmmeta=01HTB6CYR1X0GY3YG1PQXRR6CZ&hash=item1d619f8cd1:g:XxcAAOSwop9jI0CM&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA4Mj0YHV9ooGVXlZDnrxTkknCvUoBi7MFvnQ4VWt9fJs50oX52SYkyhsg3PbFZ7gdX%2BivIbaoqOVVSSm1F00FInhHLjUcPPp4fhfD4YqocYVv7vFbN2QLqO94LrhABYPxgbRk0wcTl22DSIN5ELEjMxyEih52ij%2Ff%2FCD66iAj%2BhjGV%2Bw4au5G%2Bq38PkryDg3yabrean%2BnzFzX6W4Q%2BaMkjIw6MLF%2BUAtCkoLuR1DpV9l%2B
<SiFuh> 8Y6lM3HFE4N1riClSBavq8pgBI7FFipNxnNlOxwLkzTtxS%2B%2FNSiG1JDlX1B2k3lx%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5bss-bSYw
<zorz> no no no
<zorz> better to wait
<zorz> 300 euro
<SiFuh> Yeah, I am not helping you.
<zorz> sun oracle to old
<zorz> sparc
<SiFuh> Fuck you
<zorz> Fuck this!
<zorz> :::Ppp
<SiFuh> Fuck EPYC
<zorz> ok
<SiFuh> Stupid to put a Y in instead of an I
<zorz> why?
<zorz> you know its greek ?
<zorz> :::PPppp
<SiFuh> έπος is Greek
<zorz> hmmm
<zorz> επικός
<zorz> επική νίκη
<zorz> you know the meaning of nike shoes? :Pp
<SiFuh> Είχε ένα επικό τσουράκι
<zorz> victory = νίκη =nike
<zorz> επικό μουνάκι
<SiFuh> Greek goddess of victory
<zorz> επικό μουνάκι <== translate please
<zorz> επικό μουνάκι = Anna Sawai
<zorz> hahaha
<SiFuh> Asshole
<zorz> all the η in greek is written e in enghlish. and when Η(η) is add the beggining of the word has accent and get an H in engish example Hercules Ήρακλης
<zorz> SiFuh: μαλάκα
<zorz> μαλάκας = asshole
<SiFuh> Youyay alktay adbay aboutyay Annayay awaiSay, youyay areyay anyay assholeyay.
<zorz> do you change and use arch linux... to much yay
<zorz> SiFuh: actually today you did a good thing, you should be proud.
<SiFuh> I didn't burn the house down?
<zorz> you helped dlcusa
<SiFuh> Didn't electrocute myself?
<SiFuh> Fuck off dude
<SiFuh> I have known dlcusa longer than you dude.
<zorz> why... the bible say... i did not read but i am sure somewhere should mention help others.
<SiFuh> Can I help you dig your grave?
<zorz> ofcourse you know him more time than I. I do not say that.
<zorz> I do not speak specifically for him
<zorz> I speak for the action that you did.
<zorz> what you do counts... not to who you do it.
<SiFuh> Oh for fuck sake
<SiFuh> Stop fucking pandering. Do I look like a 6 year old girl that brought home her dady a an ugly picture and want to be complemented?
<zorz> for example... if you never helped me to install crux.... I would never be here.... and you would have your piece in harmony!!!
<zorz> hahahahaa
<zorz> but now!
<zorz> fucking zorz.
<SiFuh> Damn! I will not help anyone anymore
<zorz> hahahaha
<zorz> anyway, fuck linux.
<SiFuh> Fuck zorz!
<zorz> yeah right!
<zorz> Fuckin Sifuh!
<SiFuh> When was the last time you consumed soy?
<zorz> a few years ago
<SiFuh> I don't know who Sifuh is
<zorz> ~- SiFuh
<zorz> ok midnight, enough for today.... light off tomorrow i will finish the rest.
<SiFuh> zorz: You don't notice that you talk like those girly boys from China?
<zorz> when face to face, you will notice the opposite.
<SiFuh> I think I may broke your nose
<SiFuh> brake
<SiFuh> break*
<zorz> cats me if you can
<zorz> catch*
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<SiFuh> When I was a kid, we use to play a game. "Hey I am going to punch you in the nose" Then they look at you weirdly because they are trying to register what you just said. Then you punch them in the nose and you say "What? I warned you!"
<SiFuh> Tease them for being so slow
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<SiFuh> Maybe they will Joan River's him!
<SiFuh> Joan Rivers*
<zorz> SiFuh:
<zorz> here... I was wc
<SiFuh> Hahaha
<zorz> when I scrap I take a shit hahaha
<SiFuh> Scrap?
<zorz> again... how is the correct ?
<SiFuh> Scrape
<zorz> Scrape
<zorz> he has too much pressure..... heart?
<zorz> let me see
<zorz> nothing special... business as usual
<zorz> SiFuh: i took a picture https://file.io/77PEXMP8tgX6 so i never forget scrape
<zorz> :::ppp
<SiFuh> ....
<SiFuh> I thought cigarette smokers were suppose to have excellent memories, well at least until they get dementia
<zorz> thinks that i do not care... never pay attention.
<SiFuh> I've noticed
<zorz> i care not about spelling or grammar
<SiFuh> Hence your lack of RTFM
<zorz> no with OpenBSD i started RTM
<zorz> i do man.
<zorz> man its a joy, when i see webdriver scolling pages.
<zorz> hahaha
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<zorz> the first T-shirt is better....not everybody knows RTFM
<SiFuh> Or reads it
<zorz> fuck off... I read!
<SiFuh> I doubt it
<zorz> the first I read ... you know what was?
<zorz> hahahahaha
<zorz> ehh make a wild guess
<SiFuh> My words abusing you for not reading the manual?
<zorz> Farkuhar crux.nu
<zorz> hahahahhaa
<zorz> Handbook
<zorz> SiFuh: goodnight!
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<dlcusa> Burned image74.img and booted it successfully on a laptop, so I'm about to boot it on the problem box and see if it wedges itself. I'll be off IRC in the meantime...
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