01:17 <rory50> what does it mean when modprobe completes without errors, but lsmod doesnt show the module?

01:20 <illiliti> it means that module is builtin

01:21 <rory50> thank you

01:22 <rory50> j just found out by accident by trying to remove it

03:17 <ehawkvu> illiliti: gdb 13.2 bump - https://0x0.st/HjhN.egncPm

03:53 <illiliti> oh

03:54 <illiliti> mind to generate a proper patch not diff, so I can apply it with git am?

10:57 <ruivlea> Hi

10:59 <ruivlea> Any idea what cause firefox >= 114 unusable?

11:49 <sewn> we will never know

12:14 <rory50> at what point does everyone migrate back to text centric web and minimal web browsers? what point do we stop playing the ever growing web complexity game? start fresh? we really gonna use that new TPM webauth feature? I think a line has to be drawn. IMO a browser just needs text and video, audio. firefox is the opposite of kiss and unix, unfortunately its the only choice to render some pages

12:15 <rory50> I know about the gopher and gemini protocols but they are far too fragmented of communities to be useful. using them is like going into voluntary web exile.

12:38 <sewn> i would migrate back to text web browsers if i didn't need the websites that need modern browsers

12:39 <ruivlea> if anyone curious, this is the log: https://codeberg.org/ruivlea/siss/raw/branch/main/testing/firefox-esr-115.0.2.log

12:43 <sewn> very interesting

12:43 <sewn> im currently trying to see if i can build firefox 117.0a1

12:50 <rory50> sewn currently I use both. only ffox when im forced to. which is usually for videos

12:50 <sewn> not possible to configure your text browser to open up mpv?

12:50 <ruivlea> i build using clang. because with gcc, build failed with enable-debug enable-debug-symbol disable-strip.

12:50 <rory50> I dread the time when text becomes extinct

12:57 <sewn> <ruivlea> "i build using clang. because..." <- why are you enabling debug?

12:57 <sewn> they are normally disabled by default

13:06 <ruivlea> i enabled debug to get that log

13:15 <sewn> how long does it take you to build ff

13:27 <ruivlea> around 102 minutes

13:29 <sewn> im on 116.0b7 and it's fine i suppose

13:29 <sewn> just some harmless cubeb stream error messages

14:17 <ehawkvu`> illiliti: oops, here's the actual patch - https://0x0.st/HjCy.IEEfDD

16:09 <ruivlea> sewn, your firefox 116.0b7 no crash no segfault?. I built 116.0b7 and still segfault on launch.

16:11 <sewn> i do use some different build flags

16:11 <sewn> i just copied some or removed some based off of alpine and void templates

16:11 <sewn> termbin.com/o5at5

16:18 <ruivlea> thankyou. are you using patches only from repo?

17:53 <anon88888> illiliti: hi, which isp are you using? I live in the same country as you and I want ipv6 (beeline sucks). Sorry for the weird question

18:35 <sewn> poor guy didnt get answered

19:14 <illiliti> i was asleep, sorry

19:14 <illiliti> ehawkvu: pushed thanks

19:15 <illiliti> as of isp, i use skynet

19:15 <illiliti> see also https://version6.ru/isp

19:16 <illiliti> for cellular internet I believe only mts provides ipv6 support

19:17 <illiliti> i don't use it since I don't use cellular internet in general

20:10 <anon88888> illiliti: Thanks man

20:10 <anon88888> sewn: I read logs lol

20:10 <sewn> eep

21:51 <sujo> rory50: dillo does that

21:51 <sujo> HTML + CSS only

21:51 <sujo> media gets opened with system set defaults

21:51 <sujo> e.g. mpv

21:52 <sujo> also uses fltk, so no GTK bloat

21:52 <sujo> pretty small

21:52 <sujo> pretty fast

21:52 <sujo> iirc web fetching is done via cURL

21:52 <sujo> although doesn't comply with XDG natively

21:52 <sujo> so you have to patch that in

22:53 <sewn> <sujo> "also uses fltk, so no GTK bloat" <- does it support waylan doe

22:55 <sujo> sewn: >Wayland support has been added in commit 3718effc431f5622a23c55b254153efdfe4e72c4 and will be in release 1.4.0

22:55 <sewn> AWEOSME

22:55 <sujo> if you use a dillo with 1.4 fltk, yeah

22:56 <sujo> note that this is the dev version

22:56 <sujo> but it should be stable enough

22:57 <sujo> ^enough -> probably (no warranty)

23:02 <sewn> is dillo packaged anywhere on kiss?

23:02 <sewn> its under community kiss-xorg

23:31 <sujo> sewn: that's where I got it from

23:31 <sujo> there's some forks floating around

23:31 <sujo> iirc main developers fizzled out