<xdream8[m]>
Maybe mupdf? I think it depends on Xorg libraries tho
<sujo>
X11 dep is fine
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<sewn>
Zathura?
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<sujo>
sewn: requires GTK3
<sujo>
unfortunately
<sewn>
ew what I thought it was a nice lil pdf reader
<sewn>
aw man
<sujo>
xdream8[m]: Looks good, thanks
<sujo>
sewn: it's fine on my arch machine (ew), but that's a necessary evil
<sujo>
but when it'd be the only req. for GTK3, that's a hard pass
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<phoebos>
sujo: you could also convert pdf to an image format and pipe to an image viewer
<sujo>
phoebos: fair enough
<sujo>
some of the material I use has ToC which I'd need to preserve
<sujo>
but getting mupdf packaged wasn't too bad
<phoebos>
it's also in community
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<rory50>
is there a viable way forward for x? I planning on sticking with it and I know Wayland is preferred by many. Ideally it would be 50 50 communities so everyone can use what they like. but if everyone here is moving I have no choice but to move as well. there are too many x packages to maintain without help.
<rory50>
time frame is next 20 years. I have scripts with x hard dependencies especially xdotool
<phoebos>
i and plenty others have no interest in leaving X
<rory50>
I know lfs and gentoo can help with it too
<rory50>
so part of it is up to them to help with fixing stuff that might break x
<rory50>
OK good if you are in then im in. we just need to hold the line
<rory50>
for most ppl its a display tool but for some of us our tools literally break without it. a big deal
<rory50>
when ppl start writing Wayland protocol only programs, is the plan simply to find alternatives?
<rory50>
looks like the Wayland server Weston can run on x client, as long as they decide to support it and not break it. so there's my answer
<sujo>
phoebos: I only saw zathura and libmupdf
<sujo>
rory50: kiss-xorg is pretty good with updates
<sujo>
a non-insignificant portion of people still use kiss+X
<rory50>
kiss repos are beyond awesome im just overwhelmed by the amount of work put into it and constantly live in fear that I may be alone doing it one day
<sujo>
if that does happen (operand being does), it'll be incremental work
<rory50>
the main kiss community repo didnt have xorg so I panicked a bit. didnt realize it was a separate site
<sujo>
and if you're still soldiering through as the last X user, then that wouldn't be too much of a burden
<sujo>
yeah mainline switched to wayland
<sujo>
too new for me
<rory50>
it just doesnt have something as good as xdotool
<sujo>
new -> underdeveloped
<rory50>
cant use it for that 1 fact
<rory50>
I like that Wayland isnt bloated like tons of packages
<rory50>
I have my own kiss fork that have to manually convert kiss packages to mine. ton of work for x
<sujo>
I like wayland, but it also moves the workload further towards the user
<sujo>
X clients are simple
<sujo>
wayland clients, not so much
<sujo>
it's all bloat; everyone should just use FB
<rory50>
yea in the end someone has to do the work. less bloat more work. tinyx might be the sweet spot im working on that. trying to get input to work
<sewn>
<rory50> "the main kiss community repo..." <- this is why we should have some notes in the kiss community README linking other repositories for packages such as xorg or dbus
<sewn>
it would be way cooler if there was a dbus/ or xorg/ under repo
<sujo>
ideally repos and folders should be 1:1
<sujo>
but logistically that would be a cluster
<sujo>
it kinda works with monolithic repos like community/community