03:25 <Ellowee[m]> <midfavila> "what the hell man, 30-40 years..." <- ((They)) want you to have 10 years of experience before 20, 20 before 25

04:07 <testuser[m]123> Hi

04:53 <Ellowee[m]> ih

05:33 <sad_plan> hi

05:58 <testuser[m]123> Literally 1984

05:58 <testuser[m]123> Mobile internet shutdown since 3 days

06:02 <sewn> bleh

08:27 <midfavila> Ellowee[m]: it honestly fuckin seems that way sometimes

08:54 <midfavila> https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/877683

09:05 <sewn> https://invidious.lunar.icu/watch?v=DX8NZU_Kn-U

09:08 <midfavila> kids these days, what with their devil-music

09:08 <midfavila> and their devil-games

09:09 <midfavila> like that there dungeons and dragons. don't think i don't know what you're up to sewn

09:09 <midfavila> https://invidious.lunar.icu/channel/UCEVndLRqBDNcZhBdWo5oepg

09:09 <midfavila> you should check this guy out. probably up your alley.

09:12 <sewn> I used to listen to him years ago mid

09:12 <midfavila> fair enough :p

09:13 <sewn> midfavila: also kids these days mostly listen to like

09:13 <midfavila> DEVIL MUSIC

09:13 <sewn> glitchcore or whatever bullshit its callrd

09:13 <sewn> no not devil music

09:13 <sewn> I listen to devil music not them

09:14 <midfavila> all nu-zoom-zooms are equally deserving of death by stoning smdh

09:17 <midfavila> i tell ya, back in my day if you wanted to be cool and hip, it was as easy as listening to haircuts for men

09:31 <sewn> very cool

10:48 <midfavila> you know what - goal this week: get a simple X11 image viewer out the door with support for the X11 image formats, JPEG, PNG, and (maybe) BMP and GIF based on Xaw with Edward Falk's extensions

10:49 <midfavila> been way too focused on XIrc and the amount of shit I'd need to learn to get *that* out

10:51 <sewn> use XImaging and don't reinvent the wheel plz

10:51 <sewn> unless its so fat

10:53 <midfavila> i'll reinvent the wheel if i so choose to

10:54 <midfavila> and anyway, while Motif is better than GTK, Xaw is better than Motif

10:54 <midfavila> in terms of relative simplicity

11:22 <sewn> why dont you look into plan9's stuff

13:11 <rohan> hi guys

13:11 <rohan> mpv just works with ytdlp with luajit?

13:11 <rohan> or i can use lua too

13:25 <sewn> <rohan> "mpv just works with ytdlp with..." <- use luajit

13:25 <sewn> lua won't work with mpv cuz its too new

15:08 <Ellowee[m]> <testuser[m]123> "Mobile internet shutdown since 3..." <- Use briar and manyverse

15:09 <Ellowee[m]> They can only use EMPs to disrupt mesh networking

17:02 <midfavila> sewn, i have, and unfortunately plan 9 isn't a viable choice of operating system for me just yet

17:02 <midfavila> otherwise i would probably be messaging you from plan 9 rn

17:03 <midfavila> also man i think software testing is a good place for me to be

17:03 <midfavila> there's plenty of decent-paying entry level remote work there and i'm sure it wouldn't be hard to move laterally into development

17:07 <midfavila> a lot of the listings i'm seeing in canada also seem to have *actually reasonable* requirements for entry level stuff

17:08 <sewn> what about uxn

17:09 <sewn> nvm

17:09 <sewn> btw you should have a look at xmessage or creating something similar you could use in shells cripts

17:09 <midfavila> i use xmessage regularly

17:09 <sewn> nice

17:09 <midfavila> i'll be replacing it soon:tm:

17:09 <sewn> let me guess, with your own?

17:10 <midfavila> correct.

17:10 <midfavila> have you *looked* at the codebases for the standard X11 desk toys? they're awful

17:10 <sewn> nope

17:10 <midfavila> there are also some glaring defects in a few of them, for example xload

17:10 <midfavila> why limit it to CPU usage? why not let it read from a FIFO or stdin?

17:10 <sewn> xmessage is pretty small in loc tho

17:11 <sewn> midfavila: maybe cuz its meant for showing load of system not status of fifo or stdin

17:11 <midfavila> lines of code isn't the only measure of complexity or quality or what have you

17:11 <midfavila> my point is that it's choosing to solve a hyperspecialized instance of a very general task when solving the generalized version of that task would be as easy or easier

17:12 <sewn> okey

17:13 <midfavila> as for uxn and stuff i'm not interested in using linux as a bootloader /shrug

17:38 <sewn> [what did he mean by this]

21:03 <midfavila> i really oughta fork Xaw at some point

21:03 <midfavila> there are so many disparate versions of it that all have really cool features, but individually have crippling defects

21:05 <midfavila> XawPlus for example has somewhat modern aesthetics, the ability to handle Unicode text, and use XPMs to theme UI elements, but it's otherwise an utterly broken mess. neXtaw is reasonable efficient and has okay aesthetics, but it's kind of limited in theming capability and it's not much of an improvement over Xaw3d. Xaw3d is actively maintained, but has compatibility issues with Xaw. Xaw is incredibly

21:05 <midfavila> . and so on and so forth with 3dTTF, 3dXPM, etc