<niceguy5000[m]>
where do you get those cat pictures?
<sewn>
r/
<niceguy5000[m]>
<sewn> "And memory safe" <- "NSA recommends memory-safe programming languages such as C#, Go, Java, Ruby, Rust, and Swift. " They are right maybe.
<Ellowee[m]>
<niceguy5000[m]> ""NSA recommends memory-safe..." <- NSA recommends flawed languages that they know backdoors to
<Ellowee[m]>
Memory safety my ass
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<niceguy5000[m]>
what do you recommend?
<Ellowee[m]>
You want memory safety, do not let them hold any standard against you
<Ellowee[m]>
Recommend? Good old langs and faithful familiarity to them
<niceguy5000[m]>
like C99?
<Ellowee[m]>
Not quite but yeah
<Ellowee[m]>
Linus doing rust for kernel only because of massively killing his passion project past an unbearable point
<Ellowee[m]>
Unironically bsd becoming more and more of an escape to all this bs
<niceguy5000[m]>
Yeah it is. I would love to use openbsd instead but I don't know how to remove blobs and their no kiss port for it that's working, I think.
<sewn>
is the if not supposed to convey a else if?
<sad_plan>
else doesnt seem to exist in rc it seems
<sad_plan>
I initially had if cmd else cmd, but it gave me an error
<sewn>
wow lol
<sad_plan>
according to the manpage, its if not
<sewn>
yeah it does not
<sad_plan>
which was abit strange at first, but sure. w/e works
<sewn>
is test a bulitin of rc? i hope its not a seperate binary
<sad_plan>
its not listed in the manpage on top, so I might assume no, but im not sure
<sad_plan>
using brackets doesnt work though. so you cant do [ something ] like in shell
<sewn>
its a shame it doesnt have stuff like [ this -eq that ] or turnary tests
<sad_plan>
you actualle have to use test.
<sewn>
does it even have arithmetic
<sad_plan>
not sure
<sad_plan>
test is not builtin afaik. not listed in the builtin commands section anyway
<sewn>
What the shit
<sad_plan>
what? does it need to you mean? rc is pretty miniamal you know :p
<sad_plan>
the rc I use has measly 8k loc
<sewn>
rc takes shell scripting to the exteme
<sad_plan>
its made that way though
<sad_plan>
if you ever looked into plan9 you know why its like that :p
<sewn>
at least it has pattern and regex
<sad_plan>
that would be rather detrimental if you ask me
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<midfavila>
rc has only the minimum number of features necessary for a command interpreter
<midfavila>
this is to minimize the complexity of its design
<midfavila>
if it included things like arithmetic or in-built subroutines by default, this would require a far more complex grammar and structure of the codebase
<midfavila>
besides
<midfavila>
the overhead of process spawning in unix is designed to be as cheap as possible
<sewn>
so true
<midfavila>
having to use a discrete test binary instead of a built-in operator (although ~ does exist, which is a generic matching test) is hardly something to bemoan
<sad_plan>
right. did you check out what I sent you? :D by all means, critque it. im all for improving
<midfavila>
no, and i won't
<midfavila>
rc has no place embedding itself into a unix init system
<sewn>
awh
<sad_plan>
huh.. I was actually expecting another respons here, but sure. why is that?
<sad_plan>
and if rc isnt, why is does sh? seeing as you use shinit
<sad_plan>
that sentence was a bit strange..
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<midfavila>
my ideal for a system is a core built exclusively upon POSIX or SUS, with additional routines and services and etc built atop that base and nothing but that base. rc is in neither POSIX nor SUS
* midfavila
shrugs
<midfavila>
i also just see no compelling reason to use rc for an init system
<sad_plan>
ok, so no rc for you then? I thought you used rc on the regular?
<midfavila>
i do, as an interactive shell. but i don't like the particular implementation i use
<midfavila>
once my understanding of interpreters and grammars and such is greater, i intend to write my own rc interpreter that satisfies my desires
<niceguy5000[m]>
Guys, do you think I should use python as my init? I really love python cause it's super easy like scratch and I can't use rust in python it's memory safe and fast. /s.
<niceguy5000[m]>
s/'t//
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<shokara>
isn't pizza pizza like C$20 for a large pizza?
<niceguy5000[m]>
pizza is 8 dollars here.
<midfavila>
wtf is a pizza pizza
<shokara>
a pizzeria?
<midfavila>
i mean yeah no shit but like
<midfavila>
i've never even heard of them :v
<shokara>
oh
<shokara>
well they seemed to be common in ontario
<midfavila>
oh, mainly in ontario, that explains it-
<midfavila>
yeah
<midfavila>
i don't live in ontario
<shokara>
right, I assumed it was common in other provinces too
<midfavila>
nop
<midfavila>
my province has fuck-all because it's a shithole
<shokara>
ripperoni
<midfavila>
with any luck i won't be living here for much longer
<midfavila>
indeed
<midfavila>
i'm hoping to move to alberta this year
<shokara>
nice
<midfavila>
and by "hoping" i mean "if I have to I'll throw basically everything I own out so I can afford to strap what I need to my back and catch a bus to my new city/town"
<midfavila>
i've lived in new brunswick for like
<midfavila>
almost ten years now
<shokara>
I was planning on moving there too, but only a few years later
<midfavila>
and it's the worst place i've ever been by far
<midfavila>
any place in particular?
<midfavila>
maybe we can get lunch some time uwu~
<shokara>
suburbs near calgary or edmonton I guess
<midfavila>
edmonton is a nice city
<shokara>
I hate living in proper urban areas
<midfavila>
i used to live in wainwright which is maybe an hour's driev
<midfavila>
drive even
<midfavila>
wainwright was really nice. i should visit some time
<midfavila>
there's this one street i used to walk along almost every day when i was really young, i'd like to see if it's still there
<niceguy5000[m]>
midfavila you're a c# developer?
<shokara>
I hope it is
<midfavila>
what? no
<shokara>
"c#" "developer" lol
<midfavila>
i know c, bourne shell, rc, and scheme
<midfavila>
i'm thinking of calling the YMCA in the city i'm planning to move to to see if they have a hostel i can room in for a few months
<midfavila>
idk if canadian ymcas ever did that but i know american ones have
<midfavila>
the only thing i'm super concerned about is that the city i'm looking at has (relative to my city) fairly high rates of violent crime
<niceguy5000[m]>
is it a rural area?
<midfavila>
nah
<niceguy5000[m]>
Does Canada have a lot of gangs like America?
<midfavila>
not really
<midfavila>
organized crime isn't really a thing here afaik
<shokara>
apparently calgary has some gangs
<niceguy5000[m]>
Can you stroke at night without getting shot.
<shokara>
it's not america
<midfavila>
short of being along at 3am in a big city's red light district you probably won't be hassled in most places i've been
<niceguy5000[m]>
I wish I leaved in Canada then. :(
<midfavila>
s/along/alone/
<niceguy5000[m]>
s/leaved/lived/
<niceguy5000[m]>
canada can be my home country... :(
<midfavila>
i've been sneaking pigs over the maine border as part of a special operations unit in an attempt to weaken the US for the day we annex it
<midfavila>
and i mean idk eggs can be cheap depending on where you get them
<midfavila>
i get my eggs primarily at the local farmer's market
<midfavila>
5 bucks for a dozen large eggs
<midfavila>
but if you get them at a general store it's usually double that
<niceguy5000[m]>
are you all organic person?
<niceguy5000[m]>
the USA FDA is killing us! we have so many chemicals!
<niceguy5000[m]>
* are you an all organic
<midfavila>
incidentally, yes, i suppose, but it's not something i freak out about considering "organic" in the food industry is largely a buzzword
<midfavila>
most of my food comes from local farmers
<midfavila>
so
* midfavila
shrugs?
<niceguy5000[m]>
midfavila: do you go to framer markets?
<midfavila>
mhm
<niceguy5000[m]>
You think theirs big business in the hydroponic farms? like growing tomatoes and selling them?
<midfavila>
only for certain crops and/or regions
<niceguy5000[m]>
you think catching salmon in alaska and shipping it out makes good money?
<midfavila>
dunno, but i can say that the salmon from alaska sold at the local market seems to be popular
<midfavila>
ugh i can't wait until the bullshit around chatgpt and etc dies down
<midfavila>
once every few months i go on hacker news because sometimes there's stuff that isn't a complete waste of bandwidth on there, but after looking through ~10 pages, probably half the links i've seen have been about muh ai
<midfavila>
"buh mid you don't understand chatgpt3 can write configs for apache that i only still have to read in their entirety and modify a good portion of in order to get it to work and it can do it all using nothing but a natural language prompt!!!"
<shokara>
"buh mid you don't understand that chatgpt3 can correct its own mistakes after you debug its code for 5 hours!!"
<niceguy5000[m]>
we will have chatgpt api once bing chatgpt comes out.