02:58 <rohan> hi

02:58 <rohan> anyone can close swww issue in community?

03:11 <midfavila> >mfw I'm getting almost twice what I expected as severance pay

03:11 <midfavila> small win

04:19 <sewn> Hi

07:50 <testuser[m]123> Hi

08:45 <niceguy5000[m]> hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

11:16 <Ellowee[m]> ih

20:15 <sewn> triangle

20:46 <midfavila> fucking GNU using stupid preproc directives to determine whether to pull in getopt from unistd god-

20:46 <sewn> hello mid

21:30 <sad_plan> hi

21:30 <sewn> omg its sad_plan hi sad_plan

21:30 <sad_plan> :')

21:31 <sewn> oh no what's wrong

21:32 <sad_plan> nothing :D

21:32 <sad_plan> how you doing sewn?

21:32 <midfavila> >why is sad_plan sad???

21:32 <sewn> I'm sleeping

21:32 <midfavila> *thinking*

21:34 <sad_plan> midfavila: because the world is a horrible place. corrupt goverments, people are starving. our waters are either running dry or being poisoned. people are cruel, and selfish

21:35 <sad_plan> that one reason to be sad anyway

21:35 <sad_plan> its true, atleast sortof. not that Im inherently sad about that. more angry perhaps

21:36 <sewn> the sad plan to end humanity

21:36 <sad_plan> also, I was looking at a video about awk, as I wanted to look more into it, but I fell asleep yesterday :p

21:36 <sad_plan> not my plan anyway,, but perhaps someones. I dunno

21:37 <sad_plan> im not completety sure about the elite's plan for our world

21:37 <sewn> we are all going to die except for them fr

21:38 <sad_plan> if everyone else die, so will they. eventually. they dont know basic survival skills

21:38 <sad_plan> if the world comes crashing down, the rich would initially go down first

21:38 <sewn> &how tho

21:40 <sad_plan> well, appart from that some might have a emergency bunker or w/e, if your house burns down, they dont know how to create a fire, find food. basic stuff I mean. also, theyre likely squeemish about things not beeing in prestine condition, and 100% clean

21:40 <sad_plan> which would make things just more funny from everyone elses point of view :p

21:42 <sad_plan> if you give me a backpack with some basic stuff, and a sleeping bag, I suppose regular folks would make due, but not the rich fellas. they dont wanna sleep in a sleeping bag at all to begin with

21:45 <sewn> cat

21:46 <sad_plan> do you have a cat? I like cats

21:46 <sewn> I like cats but I do not have a cat

21:48 <sad_plan> you should get one

21:48 <sewn> I cant

21:48 <sad_plan> itll sit on your lap, or your desk when youre at your computer

21:48 <sad_plan> why though?

21:48 <sewn> taking care of a cat is very difficulty

21:49 <sad_plan> a cat takes care of it self, what are you on about? just feed it and give it water. and take it to the vet if its ill

21:50 <sewn> moneeyyyy

21:50 <sad_plan> sure, theyre not free, atleast not here. and neither is catfood

21:51 <sewn> cat

22:38 <niceguy5000[m]> I feed my cat a vegan diet. beans and corn should do the job.

22:39 <niceguy5000[m]> maybe a little bit of rice. and you have cheap cat food.

22:48 <illiliti> stop torturing your cat and feed meat

22:48 <illiliti> cats are carnivores after all

22:49 <sad_plan> ^

22:51 <sad_plan> I remember seeing a video about a woman who was a vegan, and gave her dog vegan dogfood. she was on this tv show or something, showing of this stupidy, and she was persistent about her dog liking the vegan food better than regular dogfood. they gave the dog both, and it obivously chose regular food

22:52 <sad_plan> I dont really understand why this stuff is hard for people to understand..

23:16 <illiliti> cuz people think they know better than nature

23:16 <illiliti> but nature says fuck no! i've been living organism for trillions years, i've designed you and eveything on this goddamn planet and you stupid ape-man think you know better?

23:16 <illiliti> then disaster comes

23:17 <illiliti> no offense to anyone here, everyone make mistakes

23:21 <midfavila> idea: motif/xaw frontend for kiss

23:22 <sewn> How and why

23:22 <midfavila> very bored mid, and because having a nice, clean GUI integrated with CDE or something similar would be very nice

23:23 <sewn> if its a frontend you will have to reinvent the wheel

23:23 <midfavila> wat? no, not really

23:24 <sewn> kiss is CLI you're gonna have to parse output check exit codes and output the output of kiss to the window, requires a whole terminal implementation

23:25 <midfavila> lmao no that's stupid

23:25 <midfavila> you can just parse a given repo and then let the user page through it, choose what they want, what operations to perform, etc and then fire off the corresponding commands

23:26 <shokara> that's what other gui package managers do right?

23:26 <midfavila> with a more rigid definition of what a repo is and a few backwards-compatible extensions you could even do things like have little descriptions of what a package is and does, etc

23:26 <sewn> ok so the user basically won't see what the fuck kiss is doing..

23:26 <shokara> at least that's what my experience with cydia (for deb) was like

23:26 <midfavila> yes, sewn, that's the point

23:26 <midfavila> to get rid of visual clutter

23:26 <shokara> you can show what kiss is doing in a separate window when you install a package(s)

23:27 <midfavila> this is also an option

23:27 <midfavila> i would prefer to keep what's happening under the hood or very subtle until there's an error

23:27 <midfavila> at which point start flipping tables and throwing up notifications and stuff

23:31 <midfavila> also re: parse output that's not the right approach at all to this. kiss is essentially just a library in shell to automate tasks - it doesn't really do anything unique on its own, so all you would do is output the results of configure scripts and etc. that approach would be better for a utility like, say, ps, which (to my limited knowledge) is implemented in different ways on different unixen

23:32 <midfavila> so parsing output would actually be a fairly sane way to do things in that particular context

23:32 <sewn> I just wanted to exaggerate it

23:33 <sewn> without showing kiss's output I think it can be rudimentary

23:33 <midfavila> even showing its output would be trivial

23:33 <shokara> the way I'm thinking how (most if not all?) gui pm's work is just executing the build command directly (like kiss b portname) besides searching for packages

23:33 <midfavila> run command, capture return, display a small status report in the lower left of the main window ala early email/web clients based on it

23:33 <shokara> at most, the parsing is only used when searching for packages

23:33 <midfavila> shokara, that's basically what i was thinking

23:48 <midfavila> what i really need to do is look at what the current version of kiss i use does and see where i can modify it to be more strict about how things are laid out

23:48 <midfavila> like what SUS is to POSIX