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<niceguy5000[m]> We should make a christian kiss Linux distro.
<midfavila> SamsonOS
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<midfavila> turns out, i actually got the CTF right the first time around
<midfavila> i just wasn't looking at my results closely enough
<midfavila> also turns out, just as I'm finishing the interview pre-screening questions, they fucking block my IP, the bastards
<midfavila> all i want is an internship ;w;
<niceguy5000[m]> midfavila: This can't be true right lol?
<midfavila> no, it is
<midfavila> i have the flag and link for the pre-screening as proof
<niceguy5000[m]> what language is it? python?
<niceguy5000[m]> c#?
<niceguy5000[m]> java
<midfavila> it's not a programming job, it's supposed to be for an "experienced penetration tester"
<midfavila> the CTF is largely just a formality
<midfavila> i used apport and a quick C program I hacked together along with dig, ksh and curl to do the job
<niceguy5000[m]> was it hard? or super simple thing?
<midfavila> downright trivial in retrospect
<midfavila> as usual my worst enemy was my own exhaustion
<midfavila> like i said, i got the whole thing right the first time around, i just didn't notice one of the keys i was after in my log files
<midfavila> pull a page, extract words from it, build a wordlist, enumerate subdomains using that wordlist, dig through their DNS TXT records, send a curl request, and you're done
<niceguy5000[m]> That's mess up... They just block people at anytime lol.
<midfavila> i probably tripped something while poking around
<midfavila> i'm just going to call them tomorrow or finish the application from another network or something
<midfavila> be like "hey so uh about that CTF you guys are running, i don't have any qualifications but i did manage to solve it and I have multiple PhDs with a combined 80-100 years of experience willing to vouch for the fact that I'm not completely retarded, can I have an internship please?"
<midfavila> "i literally don't even need you to pay me i just want to follow someone around and do shitwork so i can learn. please, i'll literally do anything"
<midfavila> unironically super desperate
<midfavila> oh, wait, hang on
<midfavila> no nvm
<midfavila>, it looks like it might actually be a routing error
<midfavila> isn't doing its job
<niceguy5000[m]> So they didn't block you. wow.
<midfavila> who knows
<midfavila> one way or the other i'm not getting through
<Ellowee[m]> <midfavila> "Ellowee: unfortunately i don't..." <- M-x doctor in emacs :D
<midfavila> going to the store
<midfavila> you guys behave while i run out for milk
* midfavila leaves and never returns
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<Ellowee[m]> No going for milk
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<barone> hi
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<Ellowee[m]> ... bye
<midfavila> i'm back kids
<midfavila> did you all behave
<Ellowee[m]> Where is the milk
<Ellowee[m]> It better not be soy
<midfavila> patience child
<midfavila> it's oat
<Ellowee[m]> Oatmeal
<Ellowee[m]> 1, 2, oatmeal…
<midfavila> 1, 2, oat, 3, 4, meal, 6, 7, 8, 9, meal, 11, 12, 13, 14, oatmeal, ...
<testuser[m]123> Hi
<midfavila> hi
<niceguy5000[m]> <Ellowee[m]> "M-x doctor in emacs :D" <- 5 years!! woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot!
<niceguy5000[m]> <midfavila> "Ellowee: unfortunately i don't..." <- 5 years!! Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<niceguy5000[m]> what about like healthcare visits is that also years?
<midfavila> if you have a doctor you can get them regularly
<midfavila> good luck getting a doctor here though
<midfavila> my province's leader literally told them to leave if they want reasonable hours and wages
<midfavila> so now we have no doctors
<niceguy5000[m]> so no doctor visits? for everyone?
<midfavila> yup
<midfavila> i've been waiting for a family doctor since i was thirteen
<midfavila> i'm 21 now
<midfavila> haven't had a single general exam in that entire time because clinics are overloaded and there's no private healthcare
<niceguy5000[m]> lucky you don't have to pay a liver for a ambulance right?
<midfavila> you do actually :D
<niceguy5000[m]> They said canada healthcare system is the best... I don't get it.
<niceguy5000[m]> s/canada/Canada/
<midfavila> lmao no
<midfavila> my province's healthcare barely exists
<midfavila> i'm really excited to move provinces actually because i'll be able to see a doctor regularly
<niceguy5000[m]> Is province like states in America? Each province's manages their own?
<midfavila> kinda sorta
<midfavila> provinces are subordinate to the federal government instead of the federal and the province being kind of independent
<midfavila> the idea is the same overall though
<Ellowee[m]> I mean if you think about it, they are doing a play on words on it being the best healthcare system, because they keep increasing the success rate (of killing) to 100%
<Ellowee[m]> * (of killing due negligence) to
<sewn> Hi
<midfavila> might be able to spend more money on improving the state of healthcare if we a) didn't send money overseas, b) didn't bring in literally hundreds of thousands of people we can't support, and c) taxed people who had a disproportionate affect on the healthcare system more
<midfavila> but, you know, fuck that
<midfavila> we need more diversity
<midfavila> !!!
<midfavila> and think of the poor congolese children
<midfavila> or like, whatever.
<midfavila> i was talking with a coworker about how bringing in people who can't engage effectively in our economy actually causes harm to all involved parties and her response was "okay but you're saying we like... should only bring in people who *benefit* Canada. That's so like... tyrant-y."
<midfavila> and the only thing i could do was mentally facepalm
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<Ellowee[m]> Le profit driven economy
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<niceguy5000[m]> <Ellowee[m]> "Le profit driven economy" <- We need profit people.... That's right! If someone is born with a disability he/she should pay the price. /s.
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<aelspire> Hi
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<testuser[m]123> hi
<aelspire> testuser[m]123: are you git-bruh?
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<testuser[m]123> ye
<aelspire> ok, thanks a lot, you are working really hard and you are super fast - first thing
<testuser[m]123> im not doing anything nowadays lol its ioraff
<aelspire> second - isn't it better to split kiss-outdated into something like file with name overrides hosted in repo and separate script
<aelspire> adding all overrides into kiss-outdated in kiss repo seems impractical
<testuser[m]123> yeah
<aelspire> simple file with lines <package-name> <repology-name>
<aelspire> file hosted in repo with packages
<aelspire> I'll try to test this idea soon, but this weekend I'll probably be busy so maybe next one
<illiliti> good idea
<illiliti> btw we need to bring back repos to repology
<illiliti> VERSION is a blocker and we need to get rid of it
<aelspire> VERSION huh
<aelspire> I'm using this one in my repos
<aelspire> but I've no opinion on it
<aelspire> I've used it because it was available and I'm lazy
<aelspire> but if we don't care about allowing users to use repos from differend KISS flavored distros maybe removing all hardcoded things except DESTDIR might be good choice, but I'm no expert
<aelspire> DESTDIR is often saving user from poorly written packages shitting their installation
<aelspire> I think so
<illiliti> it also breaks poorly written makefiles lol
<illiliti> so not my problem TM
<aelspire> with sandboxed builds it no logner aplies
<aelspire> yeah I've one such packaged
<aelspire> package*
<aelspire> install is used during build
<illiliti> add AAAA records to your domain
<aelspire> my ISP doesn't provide IPv6
<illiliti> shame
<aelspire> yeah but I live in the boonies and it is the *only* available ISP with fiber
<testuser[m]123> Gentoo Linux is a Linux-like distribution with an excellent package manager (called emerge). The distribution has been developed and is supported since 2001. The latest stable version of the Linux kernel used by the system was released on April 30th. The new kernel is named "Git" (a Linux-kernel version control software). It was developed in the open by a large community. The new version brings many new improvements, including a
<testuser[m]123> better performance and better support of the new Intel Core processors (Core 2 Quad and Quad-core) as compared with previous version of Linux kernel used in the system
<aelspire> wait what?
<aelspire> is it ChatGPT?
<testuser[m]123> gpt-j
<illiliti> it is yet another bullshit generator
<aelspire> yeah AI will become next problematic fad
<aelspire> I've heard about some company being blamed with come random AI claims
<aelspire> People are treating AI like the one to rule them all and greatest thing ever created
<aelspire> but every single text somebody tires to show me as example how smart is AI looks like word diarrhea
<aelspire> it is gramaticaly correct, yes
<aelspire> but they are still random words grabbed from somewhat related groub joined together
<aelspire> group*
<illiliti> don't call it AI
<illiliti> AI is something that understand what it does and can explain what it does
<illiliti> current "AI" are neither of this
<illiliti> bullshit generator is more suitable term
<aelspire> yeah, I agree
<aelspire> basically we made computer doing mistakes and call it progress
<testuser[m]123> so bad
<aelspire> but not doing mistakes was actually only thing comuters are good in
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<aelspire> I would tell many games are more amusing and have better fun factor
<aelspire> for far less power
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<midfavila> ugh
<midfavila> my apartment is so hot
<aelspire> wait
<midfavila> it's the middle of winter, i have three windows open, and i'm *still* fucking dying ree
<aelspire> i Canada?
<aelspire> in*
<midfavila> yes
<aelspire> how?
<midfavila> isn't that the million dollar question
<sewn> <testuser[m]123> "2023-03-01T15:11:48,147112946+05..." <- what is that
<sewn> <midfavila> "it's the middle of winter, i..." <- get a laptop and go to your local winter forest or some shi
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<midfavila> niceguy5000[m]: it's less about "those fuckin' disabled" or whatever and more about the fact that most people here are slowly killing themselves with disgustingly poor lifestyles and nobody sees anything wrong with that
<midfavila> people who could otherwise be relatively healthy instead drink five beers a day, smoke a pack of cigarettes for dessert, never exercise, don't sleep enough, don't manage their stress, consume too much in the way of sugar and saturated/trans fats, don't drink enough water, and so on
<midfavila> and when you extrapolate that behavior to the entire population, that ends up putting a *massive* burden on the healthcare system
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<midfavila> like you can be morbidly obese and people will still just say "oh well you just have a little extra weight you need to lose, it's not a big deal". like, no, that's a huge fucking problem that requires immediate, intensive intervention
<sewn> phoebos: are you not going to atleast prepare the current repositories...
<sewn> and why removing DESTDIR again, isnt it basically going to cause tons of issues?
<midfavila> mfw i'm still on 5.3.2
<aelspire> phoebos: what about RUSTFLAGS and GOPATH?
<aelspire> Is there any reason to thread them differently than DESTDIR?
<sewn> yeah idk about breaking tons of packages by removing a variable used by tons of build automation tools like meson and makefiles without preperation but keeping rustflags
<phoebos> the RUSTFLAGS are basically nothing and without those GOFLAGS kiss can't remove build artifacts
<phoebos> ^ these discussions are why they are separate
<phoebos> sewn: they're different repos
<sewn> What
<phoebos> you can't patch repo in a PR for kiss
<sewn> phoebos: so you want to merge, then change repos accordingly
<phoebos> yes
<aelspire> I
<aelspire> I would wait for community clean
<sewn> whats the point of removing DESTDIR as appose to something like VERSION
<phoebos> this has been discussed, amongst a million other places, here:
<aelspire> I agree that explicit is better than implicit
<midfavila> bruhbruhbruhbruhbruh
* midfavila flails
<midfavila> also, just found this, pretty fun little logic puzzle
<midfavila> i might try implementing a picross generator for X11
<midfavila> it's kind of like minesweeper, in a way? same general idea
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<sewn> 'forgiving minesweeper'
<midfavila> idk i just restart when i make a mistake
<midfavila> apparently solving these is NP-complete
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