<farkuhar>
Obviously darfo's complaint against libbsd in a Linux system is motivated by more than just the name; otherwise a similar complaint would be expected from him on the issue of pkgmk using bsdtar rather than GNU tar (which doesn't try to preserve extended attributes as faithfully as bsdtar does).
<farkuhar>
As for pkgmk not taking a more nuanced approach to escalating privileges, but instead performing all operations as the invoking user (or pretending to have superuser privileges, with fakeroot) ... at least pkgmk doesn't have a preliminary UID test like the one in /usr/bin/ports (which motivated a Flyspray ticket because users liked to sync their ports trees without prepending sudo or doas to the command).
<farkuhar>
By not passing the --uid 0 --gid 0 flags to `bsdtar -c $COMPRESSION -f $TARGET -- *` in the $PKG directory, pkgmk already discourages being invoked by a non-root user without fakeroot, lest the package creation fail due to a footprint mismatch. So there was never any need to test $UID = 0, as was done in the ports script.
<farkuhar>
"13:35 <SiFuh> I was thinking we need a bot to reply to farkuhar so he doesn't feel like he is talking in the wind." <- Apparently it's going to require more than five days to implement this suggestion.
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<SiFuh>
Who is this Yo-Yo named farkuhar that pops into the channel to spam us and then runs away like a scared jack-rabbit.
<SiFuh>
ukky: She is angry at me because there was a tin with no label on it at the shop. I told her we buy this one because it is the same as these tins. She says that she will not buy it because it is defective. I said "That stupid thinking is why so much food goes to waste. It is just missing a label. That means it needs to be returned to the manufacturer" So I took it to the counter and the guy said asked
<SiFuh>
"Why I picked it up" I said "Because it saves you guys having to do paperwork. Just scan this Barcode twice and I will take both. Problem solved" Then the lady at the other counter said to him that it was the same product but when it arrived there was no label and if they don't sell it, it must be returned to the factory. Then they thanked me for making it easy for them. Even beer cans that are dented,
<SiFuh>
I will buy them first because it helps the shop. But the wife is always in a bad mood about it.
<SiFuh>
ukky: By the way, that tin of food was dog food. So I don't see the issue with it having no lable. Best part is there is no glue on the tin. I have a use for that tin in the future.
<ukky>
Tourists/newcomers should respect rules of the country they are visiting/living, unless your name is SiFuh.
<SiFuh>
ukky: Ahhh but I am no tourist
<ukky>
Just kidding
<SiFuh>
ukky: During Islamic fasting they are not allowed to eat or drink (very stupid) or smoke or have sex during daylight hours. They are also not suppose to swear or cuss, or get angry, or watch violent movies or get into fights. It is about being clean.
<SiFuh>
So the old guy being a pussy that can't handle no food for 12 hours should never have hit that kid. He broke his fast by doing that.
<ukky>
SiFuh: I am agnostic and do not follow any religion customs.
<SiFuh>
Fasting should be abstaining from food but you are allowed to drink tea, beer, water. This is for cleansing. And it should be longer than it takes your body to digest food. 12 hours is a pointless scam. And taking in no water at all is just fucking stupid. End up dehydrated with bowel blockages and tonsillitis
<SiFuh>
ukky: I have a 4 hour window where I eat. So for me, not eating for 20 hours is normal. So if an old fart who can't handle 12 hours tries to slap me, he won't be slapping for very long.
<SiFuh>
ukky: Oh I was complaining to day that the mechanics shut up shop so early because they are all 12 hour hungry pussies. I went by the shop today and saw the front door open. There is one worker there. He said he doesn't give a shit about fasting. He can work no matter what. I asked if he had fasted and he says "Of course. But I still work because I am strong" HAHAHAHAHA I like him.
<SiFuh>
today*
<ukky>
Religion is like sex, it should be private and not discussed in the public.
<SiFuh>
ukky: here is a funny one. Wife was at the shop and she saw some really nice meat. The guy says "This is buffalo" she says "Buffalo is fine" He replies "You don't want this. Better you buy beef. Buffallo is too tough" She replies "My husband doesn't take soy. He likes buffalo." Hahahaha and she bought it and it was bloody good
<SiFuh>
ukky: I kind of disagree but agree. I think you can speak in public but it must be with those genuinely curious as opposed to you trying to convert them.
<ukky>
I do not agree. There is fun club for those interested, there those with similar ideas might speak in a group.
<SiFuh>
ukky: I believe in God. I don't know who is he, but I sure as hell no who he is not.
<SiFuh>
I however, take no part in religion. I am anti-religion.
<SiFuh>
ukky: Jesus pretty much never preached in a church. He did speak in the temples a few times. But was hated by the Pharisees. He was never a Christian and there were no churches. He spoke in public but out in the fields mostly. His teachings were called "The Way" (Translated into English)
<SiFuh>
Strange that Christians have accepted using the name Christ based on what he died on.
<SiFuh>
ukky: You ever watch the "Ancient Aliens" series?
<ukky>
I saw a few seasons 'Ancient Aliens'. Funny fact: I *always* fall asleep in a matter of 20 minutes after episode has started.
<SiFuh>
HAHAHA, I know what that is like
<SiFuh>
ukky: I've seen every episode. I have every episode. I usually play it in the background and listen to it when I do stuff.
<SiFuh>
ukky: There is the Lost Book of Enki which I had read. Sometimes mentioned in that series. There is one part of that book that is insanely interesting and I wonder why no one questions it. It is a very very tiny part of the book. It mentions Lord Galzu
<ukky>
When I am busy, I can only listen to the music.
<SiFuh>
Lord Galzu came to Earth from the home planet and did some fancy stuff and left. Later the Earth was to be flooded and he came back in a dream and spoke to the human Ziusudra and gave him a tablet on how to build an ark. When Enki went back to the home planet he went looking for Lord Galzu and apparently, he never existed. So the aliens were discussing amongst themselves who could he be. And one
<SiFuh>
mentioned that maybe he is one of the "'angels' of god" (Paraphrasing and guessing what they meant). But the interesting part was they beleived in a higher god-like being too.
<SiFuh>
ukky: I listen to the news or music.
<SiFuh>
ukky: So I find it interesting that there is all talk about how our gods are all aliens but yet no one talks about how the aliens believe in a higher 'real' god
<SiFuh>
ukky: ChatGPT "In The Lost Book of Enki, Lord Galzu is indeed mentioned as a messenger or intermediary figure, tasked with transmitting the will of the higher Anunnaki gods. While his role may not be as prominent or well-defined as those of the primary deities, he still serves a significant function in the narrative. The fact that he disappears and his actions sometimes remain mysterious is part of
<SiFuh>
what makes his character intriguing and enigmatic in the story."
<SiFuh>
ukky: Tomorrow the uncle should arrive. We will ask him for chassis number from the grumpy Chinese man for the Willy's Jeep
<SiFuh>
I told the wife. 10,000 MYR if can register. No more.
<SiFuh>
If he wants a higher price then no way will I buy it from him
<SiFuh>
ukky: zorz: remiliascarlet: Grabbed the BMX to ride to the shop. Wife says "I don't want you to ride the BMX" I asked "Why, are you afraid it will get stolen?" She says "No, I am afraid you will draw too much attention" "Fine! I will take the car" Drove to the shop and the workers came out to meet me and shooked my hands and we was talking and gossipping and all other cool stuff. Got home and the wife
<SiFuh>
says "What happened? Why so long?" "I drew too much attention....." HAHAHA
<ukky>
SiFuh: It's not the truck, nor BMX that draws people's attention.
<SiFuh>
I drove a VIOS
<SiFuh>
:-P
<SiFuh>
ukky: I know what it is. Can you guess what it is?
<ukky>
VIOS cannot draw attention either
<SiFuh>
I bet you can't guess what it is
<ukky>
SiFuh: No, I cannot D
<SiFuh>
If you say it is because I am white then you are not correct
<ukky>
Not that. Your personality + apparel
<SiFuh>
Close
<ukky>
Seeing white crow would attract more attention than white person
<SiFuh>
It is because no matter what your job is, you have my respect. And I am willing to take time out of my day to hang out with you. Wife didn't beleive it untill one day a guy walks into the elevator and says "SiFuh!" Shakes my hand and gives me a hug. We talked until his floor. Wife asked "Who is that? Do you know him?" "Yeah, that is the guy who cleans to toilet at the Madarin Oriental Hotel.
<SiFuh>
While I am taking a piss, I am hanging out with the toilet cleaner and recognizing him for being a human being.
<SiFuh>
That is the key. Everyone is human.
<SiFuh>
That pub in Japan has staff still emailing me every week. I went 3 times.
<SiFuh>
Like Pen Pals ;-)
<SiFuh>
Surprisingly though the Chinese driver we had, would always hang out with me in Japan and invited me to his room to drink and would go to pubs with me. We spent a lot of time together. He gave me his number and the number doesn't work. I grabbed the other number from his company and he still doesn't reply me.
<SiFuh>
I am not sure what is going on there, but if he doesn't want to talk to me. It is a new experience for me. :-P
<SiFuh>
ukky: By the way, I am actually anti-social. But I have this weird thing where I socialize with everyone.l
<SiFuh>
An anti-social socializer ;-)
<ukky>
Year, all people are weird in one way or another. I feel totally fine without communication, but don't mind it.
<SiFuh>
My wife is like you. She hates attention.
<SiFuh>
2 years ago we walked in a shop that sells military gear. Everyone was moping around and all grumpy. I spoke and the entire place came alive. She got heaps of free gifts before we left. She asked "How the heck did you do that?" I said "break the ice"
<SiFuh>
They even walked us to the car. That is how open they became
<SiFuh>
ukky: Maybe they wanted to make sure we fucked off. HAHAH
<ukky>
haha
<SiFuh>
When I met the son of the sultan of my state, I just treated him like any one else. Shook hands gosipped a bit and let him on his way.
<ukky>
SiFuh: Does OpenBSD have a way to auto-restart service (like sshd) when it crashes? Without any extra monitoring scripts?
<SiFuh>
I didn't know at the time, but if I had, I doubt anything would have changed.
<SiFuh>
ukky: No, not that I am aware of. But is a service like SSHD crashed, then you should find out why. Usually they keep themselves alive. But I don't think OpenBSD they do that either.
<ukky>
I respect that you treat every person the same
<SiFuh>
ukky: So does every person I meet :-P
<SiFuh>
I was a professor, a diplomat, a school cleaner, a plumber, an electician, a taxi driver, an airforce techy, and a junk mail deliver guy just to name a few. But I am still me. And I think they are still them.
<SiFuh>
One of my favorite jobs was Pizza Delivery :-P I had so much fun with that job.
<SiFuh>
But Taxi driver takes the cake as the coolest experience. Learned so much about humans. I wanted to kill a lot of them.
<SiFuh>
If we hung out for 10 years. I could tell you a new story every day and you'd be in shock, fear, or pissing your pants laughing.
<SiFuh>
ukky: I use to come home at 4am to my mother drinking tea. She wanted the first-hand news of the stories before I slept. My father said one "We really have no idea what happens beyond our wall when the sun goes down now do we?"
<zorz>
at least did he ate caviar? was it worth it?
<zorz>
noooooooooo
<SiFuh>
"You fuck face. You can't handle 12 hours? I do over 20 hours a day for 30 years. Grow up you fucking pussy. By the way, you just broke your fast. Good luck starting again"
<SiFuh>
But that fucking ching chong kid put in a police report!
<SiFuh>
I later learned he had autism.
<SiFuh>
The kid
<zorz>
man free world democracy... let the people be!
<SiFuh>
His face had a bruise and the guy pleaded guilty but when he realised the kid had a bruise he pleaded not guilty. So they change the Attorney General to a Muslim one. And let the guy off with a DNAA to take to court again.
<zorz>
netherlands, country of freedom
<SiFuh>
ukky: zorz: I think men should solve their problems with fists. Usually we become friends after that.
<zorz>
SiFuh: hahah
<SiFuh>
How many guys in my life beat the living snot out of me and I did the same to others and now they are like my best friends?
<SiFuh>
Fuck the police. Just beat his ass. Then hang out with him when you are both exhausted
<SiFuh>
zorz: In Islam he broke the fast with violence. He has to do it all over again.
<SiFuh>
I just can't understand why 12 hours makes them fucking violent pussy cunts
<SiFuh>
I was at the bus station 2 weeks back drinking beer. I was getting dirty looks non-stop. Not one decided to confront me. Even I raised my beer as a hello to the perverts which they turned away and ignored me from.
<ukky>
SiFuh: Fists are okay, not for solving problems though. Fists are needed to heat up in the cold weather D
<SiFuh>
ukky: I agree and really disagree. A good ass whooping is something men should enjoy.
<SiFuh>
ukky: I guess you never experienced having you arse whooped so bad you crawl to the chair with blood pissing out of your face and you enemy hands you a cold beer and sits next to you.
<SiFuh>
ukky: I rememebr Anthony having his tooth knocked out and had to ask the guy beating his ass to find it and help him put it back in. That was fucking funny but gross
<SiFuh>
ukky: He still has it. But it took too long to find so it ended up dead. He has to get it whitened every year.
<zorz>
but wireguard rules, come on top of the nftables.conf when i start wiregurd
<SiFuh>
ukky: Not a fan of dell but nice
<ukky>
What brand of 1U-factor servers do you like instead?
<SiFuh>
ukky: I use a MikroTik with an SPF adpater for fibre
<ukky>
SPF... Did you mean SFP?
<SiFuh>
ukky: The company was pissed when they learned about it but after I gave them a basic run down they were impressed and didn't block the ISP connection
<SiFuh>
Something like that.
<SiFuh>
I havea 500 Mbps connection I pill almost 900
<SiFuh>
pilll/pull
<SiFuh>
Not hard to figure it out. They use two boxes so adjust for it. I use one box so latency is almost gone.
<SiFuh>
ukky: When I did the SFP as you called it. I had to get the username, the device name and password to trick the ISP into thinking I was using their hardware. It was beyond their scope of knowledge.
<ukky>
zorz: your nftables rules invite chinese hackers to hijack your system. You do not drop SSH packets. Check how many connections requests you receive.
<SiFuh>
ukky: Fortunately their workers are contractors. So even though they were pissed at what I did, they were also happy because it made their jobs easier
<ukky>
SiFuh: MikroTik does not have servers, only routers/switches
<SiFuh>
ukky: Yes, that is what I am talking about
<SiFuh>
ukky: Which reminds me. I have to dril some holes in the ceiling to lay the new cables. Want the TV wired and not Wi-Fi
<ukky>
Well, I do not have router per se. It is a regular 1U blade server with 6 RJ45 network ports, running Linux and routing packets according to my rules.
<SiFuh>
And?
<SiFuh>
Does it fly?
<SiFuh>
Also are you using fibre/fiber to your house?
<ukky>
My previous 'router' had backdoor in iptables connections from specific IP range.
<SiFuh>
ukky: By the way that pan I sprayed with heat resistant paint seems to be holding out quite well
<SiFuh>
I also plan on spraying my old ratchet set later on.
<ukky>
SiFuh: All my neighbors are on fiber. I'm still on RG6 cable.
<SiFuh>
ukky: Why never change?
<ukky>
SiFuh: I like my connection. It is stable, 1Gb down, so why would I change?
<SiFuh>
Didn't need to answer that with a question.
<ukky>
Fiber optics cable is flaky. I deal with it at work.
<SiFuh>
I find there is alot of copper out there that if set right can peform faster than fiber anyway.
<ukky>
RG6 is like a flying tank.
<SiFuh>
agree
<ukky>
You should see me handling fiber optics at work.
<SiFuh>
Just a small thing to think about. Sound travels at a specific speed and can't travel any faster. But it depends on the material it is passing through.
<SiFuh>
ukky: You should see me. I cuss worse than installing windows.
<ukky>
Glass is less fragile than fiber optics cable.
<SiFuh>
I fucking hate it. It is an abomination
<SiFuh>
Glass? You have glass?
<SiFuh>
Ours is all plastic
<ukky>
'windows'... I thought you meant 'windows made of glass'
<SiFuh>
ukky: One guy was here doing some work for the wife. She asked for him to drill a hole in the ceiling. He asked her what for and she said to put the fiber through. He said it won't reach so didn't bother. Then the wife told me. I said to the wife "I am not a moron. I have plenty of fiber in the ceiling already waiting to go through" Heh
<SiFuh>
ukky: I think in the future. When the fiber was installed here, I made sure they gave me an extra 10 meters because in the future I planned to move the router down stairs. However, I have updated my plans. The router will not be moved downstairs. But the ethernet CAT6 will reach it. So there is a 30 meter cable waiting to be installed. My wife doesn't see to understand that I think in the future and
<SiFuh>
plan for it.
<SiFuh>
ukky: It is really funny. If I ask something it should be done. I planned the entire house layout 5 years ago. But she can't wrap her head around it.
<SiFuh>
ukky: If I was here "Can you drill a hole here?" "Why?" "My husband said to drill it. So drill it please"
<SiFuh>
She needs a freaking huge story and an explanation and when it goes above and beyond her mentality it doesn't get done because she doesn't know what to say.
<SiFuh>
ukky: I wasn't angry. I was laughing. I can do it. He was just here and could have done it.
<SiFuh>
ukky: I was talking to the pump installers. "I want to drill a hole here" "Can't, you will hit electrical wires" I just shook my head. There are NO electrical wires there. They just don't want to do it.
<ukky>
SiFuh: also related to your why not fiber question: SFP transceivers have very small insertion/removal limit, like 50 for life.
<SiFuh>
ukky: Do you have a link? Because it sounds insane
<SiFuh>
That is like saying you can only insert and remove your graphics card 50 times and it dies.
<SiFuh>
ukky: I actually have a USB fan I made to keep it cool because it cooks. Like really cooks when running.
<ukky>
Exactly. That's why I don't like this technology.
<SiFuh>
ukky: I've no problem yet and I have used SFP for a long time.
<SiFuh>
ukky: I just don't see how plugging in and unplugging a device can cause this issue.
<SiFuh>
ukky: For example. Original USIM 1 can be written and erased 65536 times. The officially it is dead.
<ukky>
SiFuh: you just have to know its quirks. RJ45 connectors cannot go beyond 2.5Gb for now, but SFP can be 25Gb, even 100Gb (I only work with 25Gb).
<SiFuh>
But 50 times to unplug something is just weird
<SiFuh>
ukky: I am aware. I work with all of them
<SiFuh>
ukky: Do you have a link or a paper I can peruse?
<zorz>
and he told him that he is on the path of Great Constantine
<zorz>
our orthodox priest.
<SiFuh>
Our?
<SiFuh>
You own him?
<zorz>
in greek you say that... our jesous, our priest
<zorz>
its something in greek
<SiFuh>
Greedy = Greek?
<SiFuh>
You have to own everything?
<ukky>
zorz: you should drop SSH packet, instead of rejecting with icmp. Dropping packed means host is dead. Rejecting packet means host is alive, but is busy.
<zorz>
ukky: i am afraid not to drop myself
<zorz>
aaaaaaa
<zorz>
got it
<ukky>
zorz: I understand that. Maybe you just allow your ISP range in Netherland, plus you ISP in Greece.
<ukky>
s/you ISP/your ISP/
<SiFuh>
ukky: He'll do it wrong and get locked out
<zorz>
i will check it
<SiFuh>
zorz: No point, you don't read
<SiFuh>
Give you a trick zorz. Set your firewall to not start on startup and run a cron script to disable to firewall at a certain time. :-P
<zorz>
clever
<SiFuh>
If you fuck up you can log back in
<SiFuh>
zorz: I heard I am ;-) I use to do remote builds for 1/2 a decade. We always had backup plans.
<zorz>
wireguard works smooth... so i can always have my isp in greece.
<ukky>
SiFuh: I still have a question for you. Please scroll up to 17:46 UTC
<SiFuh>
ukky: 46? Are you on an hour difference or a 30 minute difference?
<SiFuh>
Now is 03:55:30
<SiFuh>
better to repaste it then play time games
<ukky>
For your time zone: 01:46:NN
<SiFuh>
[01 46 21] [ukky> SiFuh: Does OpenBSD have a way to auto-restart service (like sshd) when it crashes? Without any extra monitoring scripts?
<SiFuh>
[01 47 22] [SiFuh> ukky: No, not that I am aware of. But is a service like SSHD crashed, then you should find out why. Usually they keep themselves alive. But I don't think OpenBSD they do that either.
<SiFuh>
You mean that?
<ukky>
I missed your response.
<SiFuh>
Heh
<SiFuh>
ukky: Scroll up :-P
<SiFuh>
Must be my bad English response :-P
<SiFuh>
zorz: Hell on Wheels. Very cool series
<ukky>
Nah, you just hijacked my system and added responce at [01 47 22] into my logs.
<SiFuh>
ukky: Funny you say that
<zorz>
ukky: thanks man.... you ve been helpfull
<ukky>
zorz: you are welcome
<zorz>
:)
<SiFuh>
ukky: Had a big issue today. I ordered 30 meters x 10 centimeters of fiber cloth
<SiFuh>
I checked my order and it was correct. And the wife at work checked it too.
<SiFuh>
1 hour later they responded saying I ordered 15cm x 1 meter.
<ukky>
Like band-aid?
<SiFuh>
Fiber glass.
<SiFuh>
When wife at work and I checked it said 15cm x 1m
<ukky>
Are you rebuilding something to have that much fiber cloth?
<SiFuh>
Wife says "Can they change it? I saw it was 30 meters at 10 CM" I said "Maybe, I don't know"
<SiFuh>
ukky: Another project. I am making an ethanol stove. I distill moonshine. So I have a lot of heads that I use for cleaning but I also can use for cooking food.
<SiFuh>
They basically sold me a handkerchief size of fiber glass.
<SiFuh>
But I am not stupid, I ordered glass fiber from another business. So I have that too which I can use.
<ukky>
The shop decided that you need to patch bullet hole in your truck.
<SiFuh>
ukky: Take two beer cans. cut to size. Drill some holes. stuff it and fill with ethanol. Now you have a mini stove.
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<SiFuh>
ukky: Funny. I don't have bullet holes in my truck but the car my wife found the dog under had many. I was asked by serpente if they are bullet holes and I said they are rust holes. My wife was shocked that I remember the licence plate, the color and the car.
<SiFuh>
We were discussing it today.
<ukky>
Some time ago I also had a tendency to read license plate of every passing by car, and tried to memorize it.
<SiFuh>
ukky: Sorry to inform you but bragging at the same time. I do a lot of shit ;-)
<SiFuh>
I find doing shit is educational.
<ukky>
SiFuh: Don't feel sorry bragging. I do it all the time.
<SiFuh>
I am an electrical engineer but I fucking love doing engineering and chemistry as well
<SiFuh>
And since I get about 15 litres of 98 proof heads from 300 litres of mash. It is great to play with
<SiFuh>
ukky: When bats shit on the neighbours car. I bring a bottle of heads to clean it. Works amazingly
<SiFuh>
And to keep with the government SIRIM standard here, even though I am breaking the law by distilling vodka. I use it for clean the place. Just to stay slightly legal.
<SiFuh>
ukky: one thing here that shits me is the delivery drivers. They just throw your packages over the fence or balance them on the outside wall.
<SiFuh>
I have similar ukky for emergencies. But if I go to Australia, I will bring back the better version. Problem is gas tanks are not threaded here.
<SiFuh>
The one I ahve here ukky is foldable. Can fit in your pocket. The one in Australia is bigger than the one you show.
<SiFuh>
ukky: No, we use a real gas cyclinder in AU
<ukky>
The stove I used to have was also foldable.
<SiFuh>
MY and AU have different many things.
<ukky>
Stove I had could use: white gas, kerosene and unleaded gasoline
<SiFuh>
Mine here can connect to butane gas lighter refill shit and a proper gas cylinder. But I want not proper. I want a real onel. Those heavy duty propane gas tanks you buy.
<SiFuh>
If I buy a single mini threaded propane gas or LPG for camping, and use my fire head. (Not sure what you call it there) from Australia. We need nothing else
<ukky>
There are adapters and pressure regulators to lower big propane container pressure.
<SiFuh>
Yes, I work with gas often ukky. I distill remember? I have to use high flow regulators when doing a 100 litre job as opposed to normal kitchen cooking that uses low-flow.
<SiFuh>
Here they clip on and then wonder why peoples houses blow up.
<SiFuh>
ukky: The original regulator I threw out because I can hear the gas leaking. That was the day I said. "From now on. Connect only when cooking. Disconnect when finished"
<SiFuh>
She now disconnects and listens each time to hear if there is any hissing.
<ukky>
Okay, I've got the idea about your propane tank attachment. I don't like the design, but I get that endineer who designed it wanted the head to spin/rotate.
<SiFuh>
She forgot 2 days ago.
<SiFuh>
ukky: I think it is dangerous.
<SiFuh>
I like the AU style better. 'left' turn and screw the fucker on to it.
<ukky>
I believe so too.
<SiFuh>
So when I go back to AU and pick up my camping fire-burner, I will need to find someone tthat sells reverse threaded gas cylinders.
<SiFuh>
Or find an adapter.
<SiFuh>
But that plug and play shit is fucking scary. I ain't joking. I am distilling 100 litres of mash. I have an extended tube to the regulator and I move it out of the kitchen into the living room. Just to keep it out of the kitchen. Because my flames are so insane they melt the kitchen doors. So before I distill, I remove all the doors around the distiller.
<ukky>
In CA, all propane tank must be re-certified after 10 years of use, or thrown away.
<SiFuh>
ukky: I 100% agree but I think they should be certified everytime they are about to be refilled
<SiFuh>
ukky: When we buy cyclinders, I was so picky about them the shop owner banned the old stock and only sells the updated versions
<SiFuh>
I'd point at a welded seal and say "This is fucked" and he'd carry it to the back of the shop to replace. After a year. He just changed everything to new products.
<SiFuh>
There have been no explosions in my area since I arrived ;-)
<ukky>
Small propane tank, for 9 kg of propane, has approx. weight of 15 kg. 15 kg of steel. I don't think it has to be recertified upon every fill up.
<SiFuh>
In AU all is recertfied by the gass man.
<SiFuh>
I actually charge prices based on cylinder weight
<SiFuh>
The bottle is 14 KG here.
<SiFuh>
So before I open. I weigh it
<SiFuh>
Then I way when finished
<SiFuh>
Then I calculate the expense from that
<ukky>
here, at gas station, they just check manufacturing date
<SiFuh>
Australia can't do that
<SiFuh>
They will do what you said but by law they need to inspect it. One spot of rust. They will not refill it
<zorz>
JUST IN: President Trump is set to announce new pharmaceutical tariffs hahahha
<zorz>
did not expect that
<SiFuh>
zorz: Pharmacies should be arrested
<zorz>
I agree
<ukky>
the same fill up here, like what you have (not in AU): measure empty, measure full, then you get gas weight.
<SiFuh>
They are one of the biggest mass-murderers on the planet
<SiFuh>
ukky: Haha that's kind of cool.
<SiFuh>
ukky: AU you fill up with LPG and then they charge you on the bottle size. Even if they topped it up.
<ukky>
SiFuh: there is workaround: just empty the tank before filling it up.
<SiFuh>
I've done that. Do you know how long that takes?
<ukky>
haha. No, never had to do it.
<SiFuh>
ukky: Anyway. Page 1 of my list is that threaded fire-burner. So when I go to Australia. I am hunting it down.
<SiFuh>
ukky: Heaps better than those exploding shitty Ching Chong butane stoves.
<SiFuh>
ukky: I actually banned all my campers and offroaders from using cheap butane gas.
<SiFuh>
I told them all. NO TSV and I can give exception to CRV but you all need to use BRV
<SiFuh>
BRV is great. It explodes from the back of the can. CVR explodes from the front where the fire is. It is still okay though. But BRV only.
<SiFuh>
So everyone has switched to BRV because I told them the dangers of it if you use others
<ukky>
You need fire-safe gas tube to keep gas tank far away from fire source.
<SiFuh>
ukky: Here many businesses have gone bankrupt or sued because of death or injury. I have never seen a death but they say there has been.
<SiFuh>
ukky: The problem is people use cheap ching chong stoves and overly large pots. The gas cyclinder cools very fast and sweats but the reflected heat causes the can to explode.
<SiFuh>
BVR is great. Designed in Korea. It bursts the bottom of the can away from fire. Since Butane is heavy. It collapses and floods the floor.
<ukky>
Maybe burner-on-top-of-tank is safe, I never used it. But it looks dangerous to me.
<SiFuh>
4 jets to heat it up. Once it starts vomiting. I drop it to jets on low and regulate the heat.
<ukky>
Ohhh, instant orgasm.
<SiFuh>
ukky: I agree. Looks fucking dangerous. But there is a god given talent you have. Place your hand underneath. Not hot, it is fine
<ukky>
You know how to choose your equipment.
<SiFuh>
ukky: It is fucking heavy dude. I think 45 KG. I have to clean and drill out those... nipples? Not sure the word. Everytime I plan to spark it up.
<ukky>
I like it.
<SiFuh>
I have another that you will like. It is freaking awesome. But because of the design it doesn't work as well as the Fuji C50
<ukky>
Do not use drill bit to clean nozzles.
<SiFuh>
Wife says throw it. I said "NO!"
<SiFuh>
ukky: Why?
<SiFuh>
I drilled every nozel.
<SiFuh>
About 2 years ago. Because it was a mess when I bought it
<ukky>
You don't want them expand ID.
<SiFuh>
Oh, they don't hot temp rises
<SiFuh>
I just clean the holes open to let the gas flow.
<ukky>
Just use steel wire and push wire into every one down.
<SiFuh>
Actually you can put your hand on that cunt and it won't burn it after 7 hours of running.
<SiFuh>
ukky: They are quite fine jets.
<SiFuh>
I will tell you that my bit is never larger than the original hole size.
<ukky>
No drilling then
<SiFuh>
I remvoe the burs and rust only
<SiFuh>
Tomorrow if I remember, I will take a photo of both for you.
<ukky>
Every time you rotate drill bit, it shaves a tiny layer of metal, unless drill bit is dull.
<SiFuh>
You should the high jet version. It sucks but it is still cool.
<SiFuh>
ukky: Understood
<SiFuh>
ukky: When I bought it 20% worked. I drilled out the bad holes and all work now.
<zorz>
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<SiFuh>
ukky: Do you think he updated a kernel?
<ukky>
Maybe some nozzles had metal shavings or some gunk
<SiFuh>
I was thinking I should oil coat everything to stop rust.
<ukky>
SiFuh: no. zorz tests nftables.
<SiFuh>
They were all full of shards
<SiFuh>
ukky: But I was very gentle. I use a wood bit.
<ukky>
Is it cast iron?
<SiFuh>
Yes
<SiFuh>
It's my favorite burner
<ukky>
It's hard to fight rust on cast iron.
<SiFuh>
you aren't looking hard enough.
<SiFuh>
It is Japanese cast iron
<SiFuh>
That shit rusts like you never can expect.
<ukky>
But I would try to apply thin layer of oil after each use, and wipe-dry before each use.
<SiFuh>
maybe I repaint it this year since I am spray painting so much alreay.
<SiFuh>
ukky: I like oil burned and baked but how the heck am I going to do that with a 50CM burner?
<SiFuh>
Next jungle trip throw into camp fire? Hahaha
<ukky>
SiFuh: check bluing
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<SiFuh>
We are to go jungle this month, but it is on hold because one guys truck needs an new engine and transmission.
<SiFuh>
ukky: I know what that is.
<SiFuh>
I do it for knives
<ukky>
so, you can try that for your stove
<SiFuh>
but it works best on stainless steel
<ukky>
It works well for guns (non-SS)
<SiFuh>
For a gas stove, it is better to use oil. Create a polymer lining.
<SiFuh>
Yes but they are NOT cast iron.
<SiFuh>
They are usually drop forged steel
<ukky>
no, not cast iron
<SiFuh>
ukky: I love guns
<SiFuh>
hehe
<SiFuh>
My gun is a Taurus 45. It is in Thailand.
<ukky>
Usually only barrel is forged steel. The rest can be regular steel.
<SiFuh>
My Thai uncle takes care of it.
<ukky>
SiFuh: me too (shh)
<SiFuh>
We'd get good and proper drunk and the go to police station to shoot shit.
<SiFuh>
it was funny. Because we had to hide we were drunk.
<SiFuh>
But we got drunk for a reason. The reason is not acceptable for police.
<ukky>
Police station has shooting range?
<SiFuh>
Every police station has in the outskirts.
<SiFuh>
I got in trouble using a 12 guage on a rifle range.
<ukky>
But those ranges are for police-only? Or for their friends too D?
<SiFuh>
No. Police govern the licence in Thailand
<ukky>
Can shooting range be a private business?
<SiFuh>
So you want to shoot. Most places are owned by them. You buy your bullets there too
<SiFuh>
Yes
<ukky>
understood
<SiFuh>
But illegal to drink in all range
<SiFuh>
We can shoot. But we want to shoot better. So we get drunk and shoot.
<SiFuh>
That is 100% illegal in Thailand
<ukky>
My bullets are shipped via regular mail (with no markers what's inside)
<SiFuh>
I am jealous
<ukky>
Even guns are shipped via regular mail
<SiFuh>
We can buy guns but not ammunition. Amunition is sold as police stations.
<ukky>
But shipper must make sure there are no signs
<SiFuh>
ukky: Kind of smart
<ukky>
Best part: we can reload
<SiFuh>
I was pissed off at my friend who shot up tyres with an AK47 and he never let me
<ukky>
Though, I do not own reloading equipment
<SiFuh>
Then had me un-jam it which is rare. Pissed me off.
<SiFuh>
I don't know what is this reloading equipment.