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<SiFuh> ukky: Hmm not sure what happened there. I told them that my 1" pipes need to upgrade to 1 and 1/4" and they turned up with 1" pipes.
<SiFuh> Arrggghhh, I have to repaint part of a wall. They spilled dirty water down it.
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<ppetrov^> SiFuh, I am also here
<SiFuh> ppetrov^: You just replied to my comment.
<SiFuh> Hahaha
<ukky> SiFuh: Those contractors do not know the difference between 1" and 1-1/4", or they assume 1-1/4" is close enough.
<SiFuh> Well they changed most of the pipes to 1 1/4" but I am not impressed
<ukky> Are those pipes schedule 40, schedule 80 or some other spec?
<SiFuh> https://i.snipboard.io/nNlrv8.jpg <-- They changed only the gree section to 1 1/4" when I told them to change all betweem pump and tank.
<ukky> That's bad, I think. What then the point of upgrading the pump if some sections are still 1"?
<SiFuh> I don't know what a schedule 40 or 80 is. Even when I was in college in Australia studying plumbing we never learned that. All I know here is they use gray PVC that has a 4mm thick wall.
<SiFuh> ukky: Exactly. I then asked "Why you didn't change this?" and he said "We changed" I looked at it and looked at him and said "I am going to talk to my wife." Because he was lying to me because the original pipe was covered in dust and had never been changed and they never drained the entire tank.
<ukky> Schedule 40 and 80 pipes are used in domestic application for swimming pool piping, irrigation systems, water wells, etc.
<SiFuh> And they flooded my ceiling, the exhaust fans and the floor below and myfreshly painted walls.
<SiFuh> ukky: In Australia it is just copper mostly
<ukky> Grey PVC is usually schedule 80. The color differentiates the schedule. Schedule 40 is white.
<ukky> Schedule 80 has thicker walls compared to sched.40.
<SiFuh> In Australia we use white for drain pipes, orange for electrical and gray for drainage
<ukky> Can you measure O.D. of grey PVC pipe? I have schedule 80 pipe so we can compare if you have the same.
<SiFuh> Also, I was annoyed because they took all the scrap PVC from my ceiling and put it near the rubbish bin. I then went to let the dog out, and I saw one of the workers sneak back to our house and take all the pipes. They are not his. They are mine.
<SiFuh> They even tried to take the old pump. I said "No! I will look at it and fix it"
<ukky> Bad contractor. I would be pissed too if they would take leftovers from cutting the pipe, or the old pump.
<SiFuh> 27 OD 20 ID
* ukky went out to measure 1-1/4" pipe
<SiFuh> 33.5 OD 30 ID
<SiFuh> But the new pipes are in the ceiling
<SiFuh> Anyway 2 x 1" into a T-section that joins to a 1 1/4" pipe should do much. Slight drop in pressure maybe due to more resistance in the smaller pipes and maybe a minute effect when the two pipes merge into the T-Section. And the difference between 1" and 1 1/4" isn't very much either.
<ukky> OD is 42.1 mm
<SiFuh> I will get the ladder out. BRB
<ukky> ID is 31.4 mm
<SiFuh> 33.5 OD 25 ID. I found a cutting in the ceilind
<SiFuh> ceiling"
<SiFuh> That would make it 1" ID and 1 3/4" OD
<ukky> OD 33.5 mm is actually 1" pipe
<SiFuh> Yeah, in Australia it would be too
<SiFuh> I wonder if Chinese and hear measure from the OD hehe
<ukky> And depending on the 'schedule' the wall thickness is different
<ukky> Here is the spec: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominal_Pipe_Size#NPS_1%E2%81%848_to_NPS_3+1%E2%81%842
<ukky> I think every corner of the world measures pipes in US units
<SiFuh> NPT right?
<SiFuh> NPS
<SiFuh> Oh says on the Wiki site
<ukky> NPS
<SiFuh> In Australia we always ordered in mm though
<ukky> Well, you can order 60.3 mm pipe, which is actually NPS 2" pipe
<SiFuh> Strangely enough, I did notice that even though the new pump says 1 1/4" inlet. The connector is the same size as the one from the 1" old pump inlet
<ukky> Here is the table which has ID also specified: https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/ansi-steel-pipes-d_306.html
<SiFuh> Which is 1" ID
<SiFuh> Also while I was up in the roof I noticed that picture I sent you was wrong.
<ukky> Some pumps are sold with adapters to accept 2 sizes. I had a pump for both 2" and 1-1/5" pipes
<SiFuh> https://i.snipboard.io/dcPKth.jpg He only changed this section to the larger OD pipe
<ukky> How long is the straight stretch of pipe at the pump inlet? It should be at least 5xID long, to avoid turbulence.
<SiFuh> I'd say 60 to 70 cm
<SiFuh> Oh wait
<SiFuh> No it will be more like 30 to 40 CM long
<SiFuh> Show you something else strange I noticed the other night
<ukky> You should be fine. Even with 1-1/4" pipe that stretch should be 165 mm or more.
<SiFuh> Yes, but they didn't do what I asked.
<SiFuh> https://i.snipboard.io/ACPw3r.jpg <-- This one is strange. Black is pump and Blue is tank. But where the question mark is. Why does this water pipe travel the ceiling in that path instead of a more direct route?
<ukky> SiFuh: They sold you longer pipe when they made a route like you posted.
<SiFuh> No this is from before I bou<ght the house
<ukky> Then there is no point to have such pipe path. Unless it is on top of the roof and the sun can heat up your water running through longer pipe.
<SiFuh> ukky: I was watching this really shit Australian movie about a vlogger going into the Australian wilderness and he is being hunted by a Drop-Bear. The woman on the phone is saying it is weird for animal to hunt like that unless it was hunting large bipeds. Then he drops the phone and a Bigfoot (Yowie) rips open the door of the car he is hiding in and tears him out of it and kills him.
<ukky> I have seen it here (pipes on roofs), for swimming pools.
<SiFuh> I actually hate living in this house because it is a town house. I want property with land. Something like 5 to 50 acres and build my own home using shipping containers and stuff
<SiFuh> Or build another Earth-Sheltered House.
<ukky> Buying such size of the land could be expensive.
<ukky> SiFuh: I have a question for you
<SiFuh> The problem is buying the land that is good. All the best land is reserved for Bumi (Malay-Malay) and all the shit land is for the other Malays like Chinese-Malay and Indian-Malay and so on
<SiFuh> Ask away. Back in a few minutes. Got something to spray quickly
<ukky> In OpenBSD, do you use different mount options for different mount points? Like for security etc
<ukky> For example, /dev should be the only mount point with 'dev' option, all other MPs should have 'nodev'. That's just an example.
<ukky> Or, for example, all MPs except /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin should have 'noexec' option.
<ukky> And for how many partitions do you usually split the root (you told me already you have /usr partition).
<SiFuh> Never ever made a mount point for /dev in my life.
<ukky> At one point, while experimenting, I had about 17 mount points.
<ukky> Is dpaste the default when you install OpenBSD?
<SiFuh> No, it is the only one I remember
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<SiFuh> ukky: They didn't even bolt the pump down. So everytime it kicks into action I can hear it move in the ceiling with a clunk. Guess I will have to go back up again tomorrow and solve that issue
<SiFuh> While I am up there, I think I will map out all the plumbing and design a more efficient layout.
<ukky> SiFuh: I would not bolt the pump to any surface. Maybe you can add rubber base/padding. Also, it depends on how pump starts, and for how long it runs.
<SiFuh> ukky: It is on padding. The old pump was bolted down
<SiFuh> But if that pump is moving when it kicks in I may end up with several 100 litres of water if the pipes split
<SiFuh> Flooding the entire house and there is a lot of live machines sitting on the floor
<ukky> Agree, you have to check how it starts/primes
<SiFuh> Self primes. Kicks in when pressure drops
<SiFuh> So yeah, I will have to sit up there for a while with a slow enough dripping tap to not activate it until enough water flows out. So I will have enough time to race up the ladder into the ceiling.
<SiFuh> Although.. I could turn the pump off in the ceiling. Turn on the tap then off. Then climb up and turn it on. Hmm that'll work
<ukky> I mean, does it moves when it starts, etc, i.e. visually observe starting sequence
<SiFuh> That's my plan. But I am wondering what is that clunk noise, the sound of wood. Maybe a pipe is shifting and hitting the wood.
<SiFuh> ukky: By the way do you like any of the Alien or Predator movies?
<ukky> SiFuh: I like Sci-Fi in general, nothing specific
<SiFuh> There is a Predator fan made movie called Predator Dark Ages. That's like less than 30 minutes long and is very good.
<SiFuh> A new fan made 28 minute movie came out No Mans Land (2024) which is about Alien. And the Australian Army is fighting in Turkey during the World War. So far, good.
<ukky> Testing RAM right now, so no movies for me. Listening to music instead while testing memory.
<SiFuh> ukky: https://i.snipboard.io/FiW3MV.jpg HAHAHA WTF is that doing there? These Geckoes live in the Australian Outback, not bloody Turkey!
<ukky> Nice shot
<SiFuh> Just search for "knob-tailed geckoes" There are many species. ALL live in Australia
<SiFuh> ukky: Yep, I liked it. Very good short film.
<SiFuh> No animals, insects, lizards or Xenomorphs were harmed in the making of this film. HAHAHA
<SiFuh> ukky: Also the pressure in the pipes I can feel it when I turn on the taps. They are harder to turn now.
<ukky> With ball valves, the pressure has no effect on valve opening/closing. I assume you are talking about valves from your drawings.
<SiFuh> Ceramic
<ukky> Oh, valve in sink
<SiFuh> These stupid things
<SiFuh> I actually hate them. They leak more than the old style washers we use in Australia. They constantly need to be cleaned and replaced. And they ahve two different types of thread here. Metric and Imperial and it shits me!
<SiFuh> We use this type of thing in Australia
<ukky> I hate ceramic cartridges too.
<ukky> In one sink I have these and don't want to replace them with new type: https://www.masterplumber.ca/product/waltec-faucet-cartridge-hot-2/
<SiFuh> What I like abut the Aussie type. They are super cheap, easy to replace. And if I can't find any. I can remove the old rubber and manufacture my own.
<SiFuh> ukky: I don't know if I have seen those before.
<ukky> And I have never seen AU type before, especially if rubber washer comes with _that_ copper adapter
<SiFuh> I see. It is called a "Compression Faucet"
<SiFuh> ukky: Usually Brass, but have Aluminium
<SiFuh> You screw the tap downwars and it pushes that rubber tight. When you unscrew the water pressure lifts it up.
<ukky> On a picture it's copper. The valve is made of brass.
<SiFuh> ukky: Hold on, I will find the exact type I usually use in AU
<ukky> Same design as I posted link, just different washers
<SiFuh> I like this because it is simple. I can cut the old one off of the brass and make my own rubber/polyurethane or silcon washer to slip over the top in emergencies
<SiFuh> ukky:
<ukky> We just buy washers, no brass/copper adapters come with washer. Just unscrew old washer and screw back new one.
<SiFuh> These shit me off too. They are so common in Asian back yards or poor people's toilets
<ukky> That seems like a ball valve, 90° turn
<SiFuh> ukky: My Russian distiller has one of these https://tankmaster.com.au/wp-content/uploads/lockable-brass-valve.jpg One day whilst distilling I went to check on the distiller. I have to check regulary. Can't leave it alone. There was a hole smaller than a pin in the side of it that had corroded through. Nice little water fountain in my kitchen. Fortunately for me I was distilling mash (First Run) and
<SiFuh> not doing the distillers run (Second run). Which is 40 Ethanol extracted from the first run of the mash. I could have had a nice racing fuel fire burn my house down.
<SiFuh> I changed it to stainless steel
<ukky> That most definitely looks like a ball valve. Stainless steel of course is the best, but pricey.
<SiFuh> ukky: First run you take your fermeneted mash and run it through the fermenter to extract the ethanol out of the mash. Usually comes out around 110 proof. Then you mix it with water to reduce it to 80 proof then run it again. You can pull it out at 180+ proof. The reason we dilute it to 40% 80 proof. Is because of possible flashpoint and you could have a nice bomb.
<SiFuh> They are ball valves
<ukky> Swagelok is good, but very expensive.
<SiFuh> ukky: I will spend the huge money on the best quality parts for my distillers because it is not a toy. They can be incredibly dangerous.
<SiFuh> Although I do fabricate a lot of parts myself.
<SiFuh> There is only one super cool piece of equipment I don't have and have never used. A thump keg. I would really like to make one. Maybe this year when I start distilling again. I want to move away from Vodka, and go back to Moonshine.
<SiFuh> ukky: https://learntomoonshine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/drawing-300x199.png It works basically the same way as a bong.
<ukky> You deal with different equipment and material properties than me. I mostly handle PVC and water.
<SiFuh> Oh ukky Not sure I ever mentioned it before but I took a radiator out of an old Malaysian car, a Myvi. And I installed a 24v to 12v I think 5 amp power supply to run the fan. I pump the water into the distiller's condensor, 'and' dephlegmator (If I use it) and into the radiator to cool the water down.
<ukky> SiFuh: I believe you have sent me the picture with radiator. It was a great idea for your use case.
<SiFuh> ukky: I actually had planned to build an Asian street market stall on wheels with everything built in and on wheels. But the guy who is suppose to do the welding couldn't be bothered to go outside of his designs.
<SiFuh> ukky: It would be a full enclosed box. But everything can fold out and create table tops have the radiator bolted in. It would use coolant instead of water and that would be enclosed and built in like a car. Gas bottle underneath with vents. That way I could just shove it in a corner. Then push it out and fire it up when I needed to do any production distilling.
<SiFuh> ukky: Water flow regulator for the shower water heater unit is leaking downstairs from the pressure
<SiFuh> Al good, was leaking before on the old pump but not so much
<ukky> It seems like you have another small project scheduled
<SiFuh> ukky: Not today. I got other stuff planned. I can turn the pump off during the day anyway. We only like the pressure when taking a shower.
<SiFuh> ukky: That etching primer is horrible stuff when the vapours get on your skin. Itchy as all hell
<SiFuh> I've noticed it even goes trhough fabric
<ukky> There should be big warning on paint canister about skin irritation
<SiFuh> ukky: I saw a warning that said if contact with skin wash immediately. But it says nothing about vapours