<farkuhar>
Apparently fakeroot 1.37 on CRUX-MUSL needs more than just the no64 patch. But the other patches from 1.36 and earlier no longer apply cleanly, so we'll have to rebase them for the 1.37 sources.
<farkuhar>
I hit a footprint mismatch error running `fakeroot pkgmk` after upgrading to fakeroot 1.37, all due to the wrong owner:group. So at least one other patch needs to be applied to get a working fakeroot on CRUX-MUSL.
<zorz>
farkuhar the patcher!
<ukky>
farkuhar: Did you fix your iptables build?
<zorz>
ukky: why you dont use nftables? got ready iptables rules from years ago?
<ukky>
zorz: yes, I just get used to iptables
<zorz>
i see.
<zorz>
this kernel i run first time is compiled with no iptables support, only nftables.
<SiFuh>
Heh, one of my firewall confs had SAMSUNG TV's banned
<zorz>
hahahaha
<zorz>
samsung junk
<zorz>
ukky has 200 pages
<SiFuh>
# block Samsung SmartTVs
<SiFuh>
ether saddr FC:03:9F:18:68:13 drop
<SiFuh>
ether saddr 00:14:d1:49:23:87 drop
<zorz>
ok normally 100 ipv4 and 100ipv6
<SiFuh>
When I lived here many many years ago at another place. They had a Samsung TV and I was wondering why there was so much traffic flow. Every second the TV sends a request to all devices to identify
<zorz>
fucking hell
<SiFuh>
When I moved here and was using the neighbours Wi-Fi, I noticed the same, so I blocked their TV from accessing the network.
<SiFuh>
Yes, and usually every 1 to 2 months they kept buying a new router
<SiFuh>
zorz: I had two tables. One for IPv4 and another for IPv6
<SiFuh>
zorz: I replaced their fiber box with an SPF dongle directly connected to the router. They wouldn't add my dongle to the ISP so I had to hack their stupid fiber box and clone the addresses to trick the ISPs machines to think it was the same one.
<zorz>
heh
<zorz>
800and 200
<zorz>
its good
<SiFuh>
I will lose network.
<SiFuh>
Updating router
<zorz>
we will miss you
<SiFuh>
Gay
<zorz>
hahaha
<zorz>
farkuhar: is sleeping now.... he does not need you.
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<farkuhar>
While we're on the subject of iptables rules, why don't we also remove exim from core? It's one less service for the firewall to protect, and it's not really "essential to a functioning core". If anyone needs to receive the output of root cronjobs, there's the -M flag for local delivery.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: I wonder why iptables and nftables are in core
<farkuhar>
SiFuh_: I wonder why you bothered to mess with the "Depends on" line for rdate. Don't Makefiles have their own way of declaring a dependency like "patch must be built and installed before rdate"?
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Yes, but it needs to be called. I can't find the way to put it first in the Makefile.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: It was an easy hack just insert it into rdate the first port that needs to use patch in my list as a dep.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Hah, was just handed a laptop to fix. I don't think I will. It took 4 minutes to get to bios and 6 minutes to start booting.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: That laptop still hasn't booted up yet. It's doing Windows shit.
<SiFuh_>
Guess someone at alpine recognized the same issue as me and his/her patch is almost identical to mine.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: ahh shit 5 months ago. I made mine on the 13th. So I should Guess I think the same as someone from alpine :-P
<SiFuh_>
guess/say
<SiFuh_>
ukky: So if you are going to build the ISO then I should need to be concerned or occupied building it myself then? I got some automotive work to do tomorrow that will take a bit of my time.
<SiFuh_>
shouldn't
<ukky>
SiFuh_: correct
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Cool!
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: What a team we have ;-)
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Should there not be an entry or two in the handbook about make mrproper before you do anything in the kernel. Noting that your .config could be obliterated if you do so?
<SiFuh_>
I notice you jump straight to make menuconfig but the kernel even if downloaded and extracted should always have the command make mrproper before you start your configuration
<SiFuh_>
make clean && make mrproper for a fresh start
<SiFuh_>
make mrproper Delete the current configuration, and all generated files
<SiFuh_>
make clean Delete most generated files, leave enough to build external modules
<SiFuh_>
Something like this farkuhar "It is recommended that make mrproper is run before running make menuconfig, even if the tar ball was freshly downloaded and extracted to make sure the kernel is in the correct state. Take note that by running make mrproper you will lose your .config file.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: That laptop still hasn't booted yet :-P
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<SiFuh_>
ukky: Wonder if they will forget to drop the cars off they need me to work on. Sometimes I wonder why I bother to make a schedule because many times, I am waiting and nothing happens. So a day gets wasted because they changed their plans and didn't notify me
<SiFuh_>
It seems to be mostly a Malaysian and Malay-Chinese thing here.
<ukky>
You have to adjust to such mentality and if people do that, memorize who does. Next time, plan your time as if those people would not come.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: It is pretty much everyone. It is there mentality
<SiFuh_>
One of the cars was suppose to be here yesterday afternoon but never showed. So they rescheduled for tomorrow. I made a few phone calls. The reason the car wasn't dropped off is because the woman decided to go for a massage
<SiFuh_>
I burst out laughing when I heard the reason
<ukky>
So, don't take their word for granted and do not believe their promises. Look surprised when they actually bring the car.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: If I do that, then those who follow their word could be punished as well.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: My friend who is a Tamil Indian (This is relevant) said even the Indians here do the same. But I have never had any issues with the Indians. They are always early. And if running late, they spam my phone with apology messages ;-)
<ukky>
Those who keep their promise is in minority, much easier to remember. So, be good to those people
<SiFuh_>
I prefer to be good to everyone
<SiFuh_>
ukky: The person who I think poisoned me, I would very much love to strangle her to death and watch her choke. But that is pure evil. So if I run into her again, she will probably get a hug.
<ukky>
If you do that to everyone, bad for you. You are not obliged to keep promise to those who do not keep their word.
<ukky>
Just ignore bad people, no need to be evil to them.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: fscking Python-3.12
<SiFuh_>
Yep, big problem with python3-setuptools
<SiFuh_>
I did manage toget it work but I spent maybe over a day working on it
<ukky>
I never used, nor liked, Python. Now it is just blacklisted
<SiFuh_>
ukky: They removed some tool from it saying it was deprecated but still calls it. WTF?
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Many distros side load the missing tool or use it as a separate port. I didn't do either.
<ukky>
Yeah, 'distutils', it is now part of 'python3-setuptools' and it complains that it cannot find it
<SiFuh_>
That's it. Distutils
<SiFuh_>
It's fucking stupid. It pissed me off greatly.
<ukky>
So, we are both pissed off.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I removed the old python3 and installed the new and it still complained when I was installing python3-setuptools. There was something telling it to get it externally. I can't actually remember what I did because I went through an entire day fucking around with it.
<ukky>
Too bad zorz and farkuhar do not update their Python toolchain from 3.10 to 3.12 manually. There would be four of us pissed off.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I think the debian guys made a separate port for it.
<ukky>
Plus, python3-setuptools greatly depends on Python ports from 'opt' repo. That's wrong.
<SiFuh_>
Oh that sounds wrong.
<ukky>
These are python3-setuptools dependencies from 'opt': python3-build python3-packaging python3-pyproject-hooks python3-parsing python3-installer python3-flit-core
<SiFuh_>
Dependencies only for build though right?
<ukky>
You either have to pre-build those and install, or you should already have python3-setuptools installed.
<ukky>
Yes, build dependencies
<SiFuh_>
Shame crux can't pull for build only and then not install them
<SiFuh_>
I plan on removing the old castor wheels from the wife's suitcase and take the wheels off of these castors to make new wheels for her suitcase. I also pre-ordered the new wheels but the quality is shit. So I want to make a custom set for her.
<ukky>
Nice
<SiFuh_>
I will need to make new axel pins though.
<SiFuh_>
Also plan to remake two new handles out of webbing because the rubber versions died from hydroloysis
<ukky>
zorz: I saw that template, but I don't know how 'build_style=python3-module' works, it's not that obvious for non-void user.
<farkuhar>
There's still an eerie silence in #crux-devel. I wonder if the three musketeers all decided to go jungle this weekend. Or maybe they're just ignoring the libbsd/libmd issue, hoping that it will settle itself on its own.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: I doubt any of them can handle the jungle
<SiFuh_>
The jungle is unforgiving and you must stay clean and well groomed
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: I remember a movie. I think it was called Anaconda where he said "No time to clean your nails..." blah blah blah (paraphrasing). When I heard that, I turned to my friend and said "Horse manure! What a load of crap. You don't keep clean, you will die. Even animals clean themselves daily"
<SiFuh_>
The most annoying thing in the jungle apart from mosquitoes the size of helicopters, are ants. They are everywhere.
<SiFuh_>
Find yourself a nice tree to sleep in and wake up covered in ants biting you.
<zorz>
ukky: me 2 let me dig... i think is the thing that i did for crux
<SiFuh_>
fucking zorz. Go back and read what was discussed above before zorzing us
<SiFuh_>
[00 41 02] [SiFuh_> ukky: I removed the old python3 and installed the new and it still complained when I was installing python3-setuptools. There was something telling it to get it externally. I can't actually remember what I did because I went through an entire day fucking around with it.
<SiFuh_>
What does that say zorz?
<ukky>
SiFuh_: It seems removal of '--optimize=1' helps, at least it does not complain about missing distutils
<zorz>
its better go straight to python 3.13 than 3.12 they changed many things.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Yeah I have that. Maybe that is what I had done
<ukky>
zorz: you have to post in crux-devel for that update
<ukky>
SiFuh_: For me, removing '--optimize=1' helps. You still have it
<SiFuh_>
Yeah I was farkuharing the conversation ;-)
<ukky>
Without '--optimize=1' I now have /usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/distutils-precedence.pth
<SiFuh_>
Neither do I
<ukky>
The content: import os; var = 'SETUPTOOLS_USE_DISTUTILS'; enabled = os.environ.get(var, 'local') == 'local'; enabled and __import__('_distutils_hack').add_shim();
<ukky>
prt-get fsearch distutils-precedence.pth => Found in /usr/ports/core/python3-setuptools
<ukky>
Lets see if I can do any python-based build
<ukky>
meson works, built with python-3.12
<zorz>
SiFuh_: hahaha Milei rugged them with $LIBRA, he aped man.
<SiFuh_>
Yeah they are trying to impeach him zorz
<zorz>
strange, i dont believe he did a coin.
<SiFuh_>
zorz: Do you know what a dumb bell is right?
<SiFuh_>
dumbbell
<SiFuh_>
zorz: I was at the shop buying castors for a project for her father and her suitcase. There was a dumbbell there that was massive. I picked it up and said to the wife "What the hell? This is insane." I was going to hand it to her but then I thought, she might drop it on the floor. So I put it back down and she couldn't even lift it with two hands. Barely moved at all. I didn't check how heavy it was,
<SiFuh_>
but if I was to make a guess it was between 40 and 50 KG
<zorz>
what is dumbbell
<SiFuh_>
zorz: Image search it
<zorz>
aaaaaa
<SiFuh_>
I can't believe they have dumbbells that heavy
<SiFuh_>
I'd use it as a door stop
<SiFuh_>
I have a bench vice over 45 KG. No one could carry it. I could, but it I like my back. So I made a table with wheels so it never needs to be picked up again.
<SiFuh_>
but it I
<SiFuh_>
But I*
<SiFuh_>
To make a dumbbell that heavy, you'd have to have a market for it. I would really love to meet anyone that can train with that.
<SiFuh_>
To say he is foolish even though he is a fool, is to say I am normal for being normal.
<zorz>
linux kernel development leftist
<zorz>
hahahaha
<zorz>
are the ones that left because torvalds postpones rust
<zorz>
again redhat
<SiFuh_>
ask remiliascarlet, she is our resident leftist expert
<zorz>
hahahahahaa
<zorz>
hahha
<zorz>
as i understand leftists are rust, conservatisms are c
<zorz>
so remiliascarlet is Hitler!
<SiFuh_>
No
<SiFuh_>
I didn't say she was leftist. I said she was an expert on the leftists
<zorz>
yes
<SiFuh_>
Actually you have to admire her patience and stamina to put up with them. I fucking hate leftist idealogies.
<SiFuh_>
I moved to a conservative country. But fscking hell, they are almost as bad here
<zorz>
i never realize the need of left of right.
<zorz>
nobody speaks for humans.
<SiFuh_>
They need power and slaves
<zorz>
asahi linux, rust bullshit
<SiFuh_>
Roughly quoting from the bible No man can make a law that is suitable for all men.
<SiFuh_>
If you ask anyone sound of mind. They just want to be left the fuck alone and live a good life.
<zorz>
if you ask ex soviets about left ideology they will shoot you :P
<SiFuh_>
I have and no one shot me
<SiFuh_>
In fact one of my closest friends is from the Soviet Union
<SiFuh_>
I use to drink vodka with him every second Monday night and he'd cook me a great meal
<zorz>
they are nice people.... they used to support each other.
<SiFuh_>
Although technically he is Hungarian and Hungry was never part of the Soviet Union
<zorz>
eastern europe had this mentality.
<SiFuh_>
I think Europe is a continent full of nutcases
<zorz>
actually now, full capitalist countries are russia and china.
<zorz>
this is what usa dont like :P
<SiFuh_>
zorz: You talk a lot of shit dude
<zorz>
moscow is the most expensive city in the world
<zorz>
if this is not capitalism,,, what is?
<zorz>
who cares about 5th avenue?
<zorz>
have you seen the decline in sales of Louis Vuitton? its not only clothes, but includes Champagne Cogniac etc etc
<zorz>
enormous decline in sales because of russia
<SiFuh_>
Moscow is not
<SiFuh_>
Stop spewing shit and lies dude
<SiFuh_>
Have you ever paid 43 Euro for a 330ml bottle of beer? Go to Singapore then
<zorz>
whatever you say
<zorz>
who fucks singapore
<zorz>
moscow is fuckin rich.
<SiFuh_>
So fucking what?
<zorz>
also never forget black market, black market is the wealth
<SiFuh_>
Tucker Carlson, Greg Reese both went there and can't beleive how cheap everything was.
<SiFuh_>
Google the most expensive cities in the world and you will see it isn't even in the top ten list.
<SiFuh_>
Stop spreading your fucking lies.
<zorz>
who fucks Tucker.... Tucker makes money
<SiFuh_>
People who spread lies piss me off
<SiFuh_>
And you don't want me mad
<zorz>
Moscow has 2 nd Highest Mortgage Interest Rate in Percentages (%), Yearly, for 20 Years Fixed-Rate, Salaries And Financing in Europe out of 142 cities). ... as Moscow has been ranked regularly among the five most expensive cities in the world in terms of the cost of housing.
<zorz>
Moscow has replaced Tokyo as the world's most expensive city, according to the latest Cost of Living Survey from Mercer Human Resource Consulting.
<zorz>
say Tucker Carlson to fuck off
<SiFuh_>
zorz: You moron. Read the date.
<zorz>
2019
<zorz>
before war
<zorz>
so
<zorz>
you wanna see pure capitalism go to moscow!
<SiFuh_>
Shutup! You pissed me off. I would rather read the subtitles for Pushpa 2
<zorz>
Russia produces, uranium, aluminium, gas, black gold, gold etc etc... and you think moscow will be cheap? they control Chelsea in London, Geneva in Switzerland
<zorz>
hahaha
<zorz>
first importers of french champaigne is Honk Kong and Moscow
<zorz>
Macron the fuck stupid goes againsts them
<zorz>
where he exports the expensive wines and champagnes and cheese
<zorz>
can French afford French champgagne? :P
<zorz>
SiFuh_: when you see in a place 10% really rich, and 90% really poor no middle class this is capitalism. Russia is like this.
<zorz>
by destroying the middle class, future problems will arise.
<zorz>
this is what happen now in usa.... after Trumps presidency they will be no middle class.