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<flyback> AWESOME
<flyback> YOU GO TO HELL
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<stipa> flyback: ?
<stipa> was it the wron window maybe ? :D
<flyback> no I was ad libing the video you posted
<flyback> :)
<stipa> lol
<stipa> it's a good one
<lanefu> lol
* stipa New freenode management hijacks ##linux, ##rust, and the FSF and GNU channels
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<stipa> shit got loose overthereon freenode
<stipa> some people don't know how to handle defeat
<stipa> or, erm, unexpected outcomes
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<ArmbianTwitter> @domcorriveau (🌴🌴Dominic 🌴🌴): Oh and Micro is available in the repos and as a Snap on Armbian , so installed on the Pinebook Pro and configured in about 15 seconds. https://tinyurl.com/yhqgafcs (25s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @haerwu (Marcin Juszkiewicz): @armbian @khadas_official @AmlogicPR @IloveRockchip How many of those SBC are supported in mainline (kernel, U-Boot)? https://tinyurl.com/ygbhhf5b (8s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @lanefu (Lane Jennison): @haerwu @armbian @khadas_official @AmlogicPR @IloveRockchip Believe it or not there's dts configs for all of them in mainline. https://tinyurl.com/yeer4xv2 (26s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): @haerwu @khadas_official @AmlogicPR @IloveRockchip Kernel yes. Boot with open source loaders? No. Mainline u-boot? Probably not on all, perhaps porting will be needed? Mainline kernel on consumer grade SBCs in general? Most of the problems and wishes people talk about on our forums are related to mainline based Armbian Linux. https://tinyurl.com/yemeuexu (11s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @lanefu (Lane Jennison): @armbian @haerwu @khadas_official @AmlogicPR @IloveRockchip in u-boot mainline master. there's hope for SBC humanity https://t.co/EmAZR06ga0 https://tinyurl.com/yhmbkhzj (26s ago)
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<lanefu> Hiiiiii
<lanefu> merry monday
<IgorPec> merry!!!
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<ArmbianTwitter> @TonyMac_32 (Thomas McKahan): @lanefu @armbian @haerwu @khadas_official @AmlogicPR @IloveRockchip The khadas boards can use mainline the same way as the other Amlogic boards, but it requires bundling a pre-compiled blob for the internal supervisor from Amlogic. The contents of this blob are not controlled by anyone but the SoC vendor. https://tinyurl.com/yjdabrue (11s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @TonyMac_32 (Thomas McKahan): @lanefu @armbian @haerwu @khadas_official @AmlogicPR @IloveRockchip Ah, and the Rockchip boards should be able to be fully open source capable, assuming no strange situations (For reasons I haven't been able to determine, the mainline ATF does not always work. I would not propose supporting such hardware were it up to me) https://tinyurl.com/yzurvok6 (1s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @lanefu (Lane Jennison): @TonyMac_32 @armbian @haerwu @khadas_official @AmlogicPR @IloveRockchip Hey @AmlogicPR can you all just decide to be awesome and set the gold standard for open firmware? Just an idea. https://tinyurl.com/yge733wh (15s ago)
<stipa> it's easier to make a clone of a chip or something that behaves like the original if everything is open source, making a chip reality isn't free
<stipa> competition would use that
<stipa> if the chip is successful and sells
<stipa> it would ovetake the market
<stipa> that was created by someone else
<stipa> open hardware chips are the soultion
<stipa> but it's expensive to make one
<stipa> it costs money
<lanefu> I think they over estimate teh success of the cloners
<stipa> for example, PC is a clone
<stipa> it shure overtake the market of the IBM
<stipa> overtook
<stipa> AMD is intels clone
<stipa> making IBM PC and Intel into what they are isn't cheap either before the clones came
<stipa> wasn't cheap*
<stipa> so clones ride on the invested money of the originals without investing a dime
<stipa> and then overtake a huge amount of market
<stipa> beacause they're cheaper
<nekomancer[m]> Like all technologies
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<stipa> those risc v chips are like a soultion but morons put peripherals on the board that's not open
<nekomancer[m]> Did you pay a fee for a fire, a wheel, a spoon?
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<stipa> i did
<stipa> they all cost money to realize and to have
<nekomancer[m]> no-no-no. no one dime you pay to inventors.
<stipa> maybe that's an obligation of someone i bought that stuff from
<stipa> it could be in the price
<stipa> already
<stipa> nekomancer[m]: but ok, i see your dac was like cloned to death
<stipa> the drivers were probably yours
<stipa> driver*
<stipa> the parallel port sound card thingy
<nekomancer[m]> obligation chains shouldn't be infinite. there need to be time limits.
<nekomancer[m]> as it be in times where patents as "privileges" was invented. 5 years, 15 years.
<nekomancer[m]> not 75, like today
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<stipa> well, even patents are cloned
<stipa> same shit with different names
<stipa> it's hard to earn something from patent nowadays, if some big company needs something they'll just clone it, give it a different name and claim their own without needing to pay for royalties to inventor
<stipa> even if you're smart enought to compete with big brands they'll just eventually do the same and clone you if you come close enough as a threat
<stipa> so, the most economical way is to make a clone of something successful and offer it cheaper
<stipa> that's the most economical way to destroy the competition, even a mega brands that can't afford to go cheaper
<stipa> so it's smart to have few blobs
<stipa> it's a protection
<stipa> ofcourse, that blob should be fully functional and reliable
<stipa> and not an obstacle to the devs because it doesn't work as it should
<nekomancer[m]> <stipa "and not an obstacle to the devs "> meh. they have no choice and will eat all that served.
<stipa> nekomancer[m]: sad but true, it's the problems of the devs and not theirs
<stipa> the hardware is selling like crazy but the users come here complaining
<stipa> not ot the Marvell
<stipa> to the*
<stipa> who knows what kind of mess is in soc design
<stipa> and why it takes so long to make a proper driver
<stipa> seems like chips are bogus
<stipa> not functional
<stipa> you don't fukcing seel a chip in billions if it doesn't work you moron
<stipa> bunch of idiots
<stipa> but, we've invested so much in developement of the chip let's just sell that crap as is and let devs deal with it...
<stipa> tehey'll hack it, allright
<stipa> it's a hack board afteralll
<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): RT @kprasadvnsi: Sometimes we have to improvise. https://t.co/V94Gm81M3q https://tinyurl.com/yhh5ax56 https://tinyurl.com/ydkz6pzo (17s ago)
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<lanefu> Yeah want some fake 555
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