2021-06-16 17:42
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lanefu >
okay i think i have half an idea about my pineh64 problem..... i think networkmanager is triggering chrony to update when my dhcp lease renews
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lanefu >
and something is going wrong
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stipa >
lanefu: try static adress, maybe it's dhcp client bug
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lanefu >
yeah I saw someone on the forum with similar issue, so yeah I def think its related to DHCP triggering chrony
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lanefu >
so yeah i started digging into that
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stipa >
it makes sense if it happens regulary, does sound like it could be dhcp lease
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lanefu >
yeah since the time it happened moved i realize dit was tired to 24 hour lease lol
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stipa >
what, you rebooted the dhcp server?
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stipa >
and saw the time shifted, or?
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lanefu >
i had restarted the device on a differenet cadence
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lanefu >
and that moved the crash
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stipa >
"different cadence"?
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nekomancer[m] >
OMG!!! it was not joke!
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nekomancer[m] >
`dpkg-deb: building package 'linux-libc-dev' in '../linux-libc-dev_21.08.0-trunk_arm64.deb'`
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stipa >
nekomancer[m]: i don't get the joke
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stipa >
or better put, what was not a joke?
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nekomancer[m] >
armbian provides own libc
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stipa >
right, headers
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stipa >
is it about headers?
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nekomancer[m] >
highly likely
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nekomancer[m] >
but why? why we can't use from base distro?
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stipa >
dunno, maybe debian wants to support stable sbcs out of the box
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stipa >
like kernel does to stable drivers
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stipa >
but they didn't want to do that so armbian was formed
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stipa >
as a test field
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stipa >
since debian is known for stability there was no point in making it a mess with buggy non functional sbcs
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stipa >
now that things are different and boards are working ok they're starting to support the workng ones
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stipa >
just a guess
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nekomancer[m] >
but libc&
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stipa >
headers are as i see it functions for specific hardware, libc are functions for stuff higher in hierarchy that work everywhere in user land
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stipa >
like libraries that work on top of the linux os but not hardware
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stipa >
like printf and that stuff
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stipa >
headers are to glue hardware with kernel
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stipa >
comm channels betweene kernel and hardware
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stipa >
sounds like drivers
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stipa >
i'm not expert on that levels
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stipa >
but i don't know why would debian do that if there already exists armbian
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nekomancer[m] >
replace libc headers ← replace libc
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[TheBug] >
"get on the level" stipa
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nekomancer[m] >
all packets in system depends on libc. replace libc ← rebuild all bunaries.
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stipa >
nekomancer[m]: i think i see the picture
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stipa >
i get that libc is static and everything below has to adapt to it
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stipa >
build around inputs that libc wants
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stipa >
it's like a standard
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stipa >
[TheBug]: i'm below that level, higher levels are too abstract and nonsensical
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stipa >
have nothing to do with what's going on on hardware level
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stipa >
just a huge intellectual mess
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stipa >
hardware level is not sane but everything higher is just a compication
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stipa >
complication*
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stipa >
it's fascination that those things even work
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stipa >
and there is not much people that know what's going on so no place to learn about it
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stipa >
and it's getting worse
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stipa >
abstract systems are huge and hard to understand and maintain and they are growing, one day it'll just expolode
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stipa >
or there will be a bug noone will know to fix
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stipa >
a bug too much for brightest minds
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stipa >
abstract systems are all about ousmarting the competition
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stipa >
outsmarting*
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stipa >
human intelligence is limited
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stipa >
but tbh it's already happening
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stipa >
it looks like it
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stipa >
rarely anything works
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stipa >
and noone knows how to fix it
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stipa >
it could be hardware, it could be software, who knows
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stipa >
everyone is blaming someone else
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stipa >
but reality is that it doesn't work
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stipa >
blaming someone else just proves you're stupid
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nekomancer[m] >
do you mean everybody blame?
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stipa >
i don't, i search for the solution
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stipa >
blaming is a waste of time
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stipa >
but if someone who you depend on blames you're screwed
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stipa >
i moan alot tho
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[TheBug] >
Um /part
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* [TheBug]
only read last sentance when switching back to channel and puked a little in his mouth
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stipa >
here, i'll tap you on the back
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stipa >
no need to die choking
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stipa >
i'll save you, no worries
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[TheBug] >
stipa: I think I am celibate now after that mental image
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stipa >
goooooooooooood
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