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<lanefu> okay i think i have half an idea about my pineh64 problem..... i think networkmanager is triggering chrony to update when my dhcp lease renews
<lanefu> and something is going wrong
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<stipa> lanefu: try static adress, maybe it's dhcp client bug
<stipa> it happens
<lanefu> yeah I saw someone on the forum with similar issue, so yeah I def think its related to DHCP triggering chrony
<lanefu> so yeah i started digging into that
<stipa> it makes sense if it happens regulary, does sound like it could be dhcp lease
<lanefu> yeah since the time it happened moved i realize dit was tired to 24 hour lease lol
<stipa> what, you rebooted the dhcp server?
<stipa> and saw the time shifted, or?
<lanefu> i had restarted the device on a differenet cadence
<lanefu> and that moved the crash
<stipa> "different cadence"?
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<nekomancer[m]> OMG!!! it was not joke!
<nekomancer[m]> `dpkg-deb: building package 'linux-libc-dev' in '../linux-libc-dev_21.08.0-trunk_arm64.deb'`
<nekomancer[m]> 🥴
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<stipa> nekomancer[m]: i don't get the joke
<stipa> or better put, what was not a joke?
<nekomancer[m]> armbian provides own libc
<stipa> right, headers
<stipa> is it about headers?
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<nekomancer[m]> highly likely
<nekomancer[m]> but why? why we can't use from base distro?
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<stipa> dunno, maybe debian wants to support stable sbcs out of the box
<stipa> like kernel does to stable drivers
<stipa> but they didn't want to do that so armbian was formed
<stipa> as a test field
<stipa> since debian is known for stability there was no point in making it a mess with buggy non functional sbcs
<stipa> now that things are different and boards are working ok they're starting to support the workng ones
<stipa> just a guess
<nekomancer[m]> but libc&
<nekomancer[m]> ?
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<stipa> headers are as i see it functions for specific hardware, libc are functions for stuff higher in hierarchy that work everywhere in user land
<stipa> like libraries that work on top of the linux os but not hardware
<stipa> like printf and that stuff
<stipa> headers are to glue hardware with kernel
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<stipa> comm channels betweene kernel and hardware
<stipa> sounds like drivers
<stipa> i'm not expert on that levels
<stipa> but i don't know why would debian do that if there already exists armbian
<nekomancer[m]> replace libc headers ← replace libc
<[TheBug]> "get on the level" stipa
<nekomancer[m]> all packets in system depends on libc. replace libc ← rebuild all bunaries.
<stipa> nekomancer[m]: i think i see the picture
<stipa> i get that libc is static and everything below has to adapt to it
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<stipa> build around inputs that libc wants
<stipa> it's like a standard
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<stipa> [TheBug]: i'm below that level, higher levels are too abstract and nonsensical
<stipa> have nothing to do with what's going on on hardware level
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<stipa> just a huge intellectual mess
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<stipa> hardware level is not sane but everything higher is just a compication
<stipa> complication*
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<stipa> it's fascination that those things even work
<stipa> and there is not much people that know what's going on so no place to learn about it
<stipa> and it's getting worse
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<stipa> abstract systems are huge and hard to understand and maintain and they are growing, one day it'll just expolode
<stipa> or there will be a bug noone will know to fix
<stipa> a bug too much for brightest minds
<stipa> ha ha
<stipa> abstract systems are all about ousmarting the competition
<stipa> outsmarting*
<stipa> human intelligence is limited
<stipa> but tbh it's already happening
<stipa> it looks like it
<stipa> rarely anything works
<stipa> and noone knows how to fix it
<stipa> it could be hardware, it could be software, who knows
<stipa> everyone is blaming someone else
<stipa> but reality is that it doesn't work
<stipa> blaming someone else just proves you're stupid
<nekomancer[m]> do you mean everybody blame?
<stipa> i don't, i search for the solution
<stipa> blaming is a waste of time
<stipa> but if someone who you depend on blames you're screwed
<stipa> i moan alot tho
<[TheBug]> Um /part
* [TheBug] only read last sentance when switching back to channel and puked a little in his mouth
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<stipa> here, i'll tap you on the back
<stipa> no need to die choking
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<stipa> i'll save you, no worries
<[TheBug]> stipa: I think I am celibate now after that mental image
<stipa> goooooooooooood
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