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<lanefu> ops i lied.. thats my buddys' router iwth 9 months uptiome
<[TheBug]> root@rockstorage2:/storage# uptime
<[TheBug]> 20:06:57 up 177 days, 6:32, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
<[TheBug]> RockPi 4c as NAS ^
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<salva> hello guys
<lanefu> hey salva !
<lanefu> guess thats u on our DM
<salva> yes yes
<salva> you know, my proposal about discord it's mostly bc we need more people
<salva> sometimes, more is more. I dont think it's a bad idea to have a discord server too
<lanefu> yeah i figured that was probably your point
<salva> but, just proposing it
<lanefu> eah we could setup abridge
<salva> arm linux is the future
<salva> and the future are usually young people
<salva> i learned a lot about that bc they are literally millions of kids playing around linux on arm as desktop
<stipa> bot can relay messages betweene here and there
<salva> i didnt knew they were that much
<lanefu> yep yep makes sense
<lanefu> I was a kid pkaying with linux on desktop in 1998
<lanefu> lol
<salva> ohh
<salva> that was probably like linux 1.4 or something like that
<salva> i was 8 at that time
<salva> sorry hahah
<lanefu> haha yeah was 2.0 or so
<salva> very dificult to use linux as desktop at that time
<lanefu> yeah X11/Xorg was a PITA to setup
<salva> ohh, i guess so!
<salva> i am trying to get any scaling solution to work right now
<salva> due the lack of more resolutions
<salva> while this could be solved down the road
<lanefu> lol looks like kernel 2.0 was redhat 4.0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Linux#Version_history
<salva> it will never be solved forthe pinebook pro
<salva> and while i dont have one
<lanefu> yeah the DRM drivers just have like missing resolutions
<salva> i would like to solve it there too. pbp cant swtich resolutions and I am trying to get a proper scaling solution for very old games
<stipa> yeah, redhat
<lanefu> i was digging into QHD res last year
<stipa> kde
<stipa> then ubuntu came
<lanefu> is switched to debian a little before the first fedora came out
<salva> there is one called gamescope, it use wayland, but i dont know if it will work neither
<salva> working on that :)
<salva> seems that all the distros are pushing hard on wayland
<lanefu> nice.. yeah we're gonna have to embrace wayladn on that
<salva> finally
<lanefu> i built a armbian gnome image with hirsute
<lanefu> adn it was wayland by default
<salva> even xfce
<salva> my beloved xfce is thinking on wayland support
<lanefu> what about mate?
<salva> it have a wayland compositor
<salva> a friend test it months ago
<salva> it was glitchy, expected i guess
<salva> but they are working on that department too
<salva> last changes on xfce compositor made mandatory to switch to xpresent at once
<salva> its like 3 or 4 times faster than glx mode
<lanefu> okay that's good to know.. how much work is it to switch? change a package and a config?
<salva> quite easy
<salva> let me show you
<salva> please, test glmark2
<salva> with default, auto (glx)
<salva> and then xpresent
<salva> it's night and day, on rk3399 and the N2 under mesa so far
<salva> but on N2 mesa is far behind
<lanefu> are you using mainline kernel or legacy/vendor/bsp?
<salva> (basically on any bifrost is far behind)
<lanefu> yeah man n2 was glitchy last time i tried mesa
<salva> ohh no, always mainline
<lanefu> okay sweet
<lanefu> yeah RK3399 is really the only suitable SoC for desktop
<salva> indeed!
<lanefu> despite N2 being faster otherwise
<salva> well
<salva> i overclocked like hell my rk3399
<salva> it runs amazing
<salva> i use it also for heat up my room
<salva> super efficient
<lanefu> lol
<lanefu> yeah i run the 2.ghz overlay on my pinebook pro and it's been stable
<salva> the only i need its the ram a bit faster, by default on lpddr4 ram the rk3339s work at 1600 mhz
<salva> ubot setup
<salva> but on ddr3 ram rk3399s runs at 1866
<salva> and that means an average 17% more glmark2 points
<salva> thats gross
<lanefu> lol faster speeds with "slower" ram
<salva> i dont know if you know but it test desktop classs games on arm linux
<lanefu> but i guess i still dont know a lot about LPDDR4
<salva> yes, on the t4 i get bigger numbers bc of this issue
<lanefu> quake 3 impressed me on pinebook and n2
<salva> well, but thats native
<salva> irun x86_64 games
<lanefu> ohh
<salva> i have one quick video
<salva> that will blow your mind
<[TheBug]> lanefu: Slackware 1.0 or die! ;p
<salva> we will not defeat low end x86 , but mostly near
<lanefu> [TheBug]: I downloaded slackware floppy images via ftp to my shell account and then zmodem to my PC
<salva> i beat z8350 on some games
<lanefu> oh wow
<lanefu> thats impressive
<[TheBug]> I think 20 disks to an HP 386 workstations with 8Mb ram and a 10Mb hd or something
<[TheBug]> lol
<salva> this is a victory of x8350
<salva> but quite near!!
<[TheBug]> er 50Mb hd I think
<salva> and its a quite modern game
<[TheBug]> hmmm
<[TheBug]> x8350 you say?
<salva> sorry
<salva> my fingers
<[TheBug]> what are you trying to do on it?
<salva> yes
<salva> z8350
<salva> BLASPHEMOUS : ROCKPI4C (BOX64) vs ROCKPI X (Z8350)
<[TheBug]> ahh using windows or linux?
<salva> that was the game
<salva> linux on both
<[TheBug]> I have been working on getting an Android 9.0 working fully on z8350
<lanefu> okay thats awesome.. uhmm is blasphemous a diablo clone?
<salva> that wasjust a skin
<[TheBug]> I have about 5 tablets and 3 devices
<[TheBug]> including RockPi X
<[TheBug]> AtomicPi
<salva> niceee
<lanefu> [TheBug]: the device has to work to count as having
<salva> i have the rockpi x just for testing
<[TheBug]> lanefu: I bought a new one remember, Tony has the broken one, lol
<salva> check this out
<lanefu> haha oh
<salva> this is DOUBLE emulation and wine overhead
<[TheBug]> sadly paid dearly as the one they sent next lacked the emmc modules and it was soldered on :(
<[TheBug]> it halved my efforts on z8350
<salva> yes
<salva> i bricked mine
<salva> i had to find a programmer
<[TheBug]> I ripped off a memory chip :Z
<salva> wooof
<salva> one thing, rockpi x is really hot
<[TheBug]> TL;DR: don't use thermal plaster on RockPi X as the attachment for memory modules is weak and will tear during removal
<[TheBug]> (to attach heatsink)
<buZz> :D
<[TheBug]> in my first application I chose to use thermal adhesive and it ended badly :(
<buZz> dont know your own strength [TheBug] !
<[TheBug]> I was removing it to apply official heatsink too
<buZz> i got a pile of those heatsinks with 3M stickers on the back
<[TheBug]> thermal plaster or glue is much better than those 3m stickers
<[TheBug]> in most applications it is fine
<[TheBug]> I didn't anticipate the memory chips being so weak they would tear off ;(
<lanefu> salva: im impressed
<lanefu> thats awesome
<[TheBug]> salva: on your RockPi X do you have emmc soldered on or as a module?
<[TheBug]> I am thinking only really early dev models had it is as a module
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<salva> soldered
<salva> I dont understandwhy they soldered emmc on the new rockpi4+
<[TheBug]> ugh yeah don't remind me
<[TheBug]> annoyed by that as well
<[TheBug]> was talking to the guys at Allnet cause I wanted more 4c's
<lanefu> [TheBug]: Salva is going to be your new best friend
<[TheBug]> and they basically told me
<[TheBug]> the cost of the lpddr4 module on 4c went up by 25$ or more
<lanefu> yoinks
<salva> i think we all want to decide and be able to do so
<[TheBug]> seems they didn't restock in advance
<[TheBug]> so now they are only going to produce limited runs of 4b+
<salva> and to be honest
<[TheBug]> so keep that in mind if you want one
<salva> armbian runs perfectly fine on micro sd cards even
<salva> so, the option for testing would be micro sd and nvme for real desktop
<[TheBug]> salva: I use 3x RockPi 4c for 6x3TB, 7x3TB, 7x3TB raid / NAS
<[TheBug]> I have another as a Android 9 meida center
<[TheBug]> and one sitting on my desk
<[TheBug]> as spare
<salva> wow
<salva> that's ... lot ofhardware
<[TheBug]> I actually just bought RockPro64 that arrived today
<salva> are you doing chia mining? haha
<[TheBug]> as I am looking into additional options for spares since I can't buy 4c
<[TheBug]> no, not chia
<salva> i am here on a couple of minutes
<[TheBug]> i have no desire to kill my drives and hardware ;p
<salva> no idea how chia impact
<salva> i dont like mining overall
<salva> its a waste of hardware
<[TheBug]> well for farming it isn't too bad I hear
<[TheBug]> but plotting is where money is
<[TheBug]> and it can kill ssd
<[TheBug]> and you need ssd for it really
<[TheBug]> otherwise it take 900 years for 1 coin
<[TheBug]> I did calculations at some point
<lanefu> yeah just need ramdisk
<lanefu> tmpfs FTW
<[TheBug]> you need like 16TB for 1 coin which is just a chance to get something
<[TheBug]> something like that
<stipa> lol
<[TheBug]> so really you need a lot to really get anything substantial out of it
<stipa> too much hassle
<[TheBug]> I had the stats better calculated
<[TheBug]> but all I will say is it isn't very profitable unless you have a lot to invest up front
<stipa> brain hearts just by thinking about it
<stipa> hurts*
<[TheBug]> salva: there is still a way to get a limited amount of 4c's if you must still have one btw -- you have to buy the penta-hat bundled with it on their site
<salva> oh no it's okay
<salva> i use them as desktop
<salva> and for testing box86/box64
<salva> one is more than enough
<salva> explaining computers compared rockpix with rpi4 and said.. it have wost linux support
<salva> sometimes this guys need to ask before talking
<salva> i really like christopher channel
<salva> but he should check a bit more what he say sometimes
<salva> getting wifi to work takes to edit a txt file
<salva> and then you also have VPU for both h264/h265
<[TheBug]> you mean explaining computers?
<salva> and inside the browser too
<salva> yes
<[TheBug]> yeah but your expecting a little to much from him
<lanefu> he does a good job with his manicure
<[TheBug]> I think he knows this stuff
<[TheBug]> but he purposely tries to dumb it down for instructional purposes
<stipa> manicure lol
<[TheBug]> and doesn't want 10000 people asking about how to fix x, y z
<stipa> he's handsome yeah
<salva> he is one of my favorite channels
<[TheBug]> Also, I generally really like his channel, but the last few videos have also been really low level stuff which I obviously know very well
<salva> also was mickmake but he is no longer making content
<[TheBug]> I think he has been putting a lot of emphasis on getting beginners involved
<[TheBug]> mickmake, would love him to come back but I guess he just got burnt out and said fuck it, since haven't heard from him in over a year now it seems
<[TheBug]> he is one of the few I actually still really miss
<salva> indeed
<[TheBug]> he was one of the few that made good comprehensive material
<salva> I really miss him
<[TheBug]> but to be fair the SoC market has also deteriorated over the past year
<[TheBug]> especailly with chip shortages, not much really coming out
<[TheBug]> or stagnated may be the better term
<salva> I also miss this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_W5OHPi5IM
<salva> isnt that well known
<salva> he past away to soon
<[TheBug]> hmm can't say I seen that one
<salva> italian sbc channel
<[TheBug]> ohh he died?
<salva> yes :(
<[TheBug]> well poo :(
<salva> look this video
<salva> is really sad
<salva> and the worst sbc related youtuber gold award goes tooo...
<salva> wait
<salva> I hate this guy
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<[TheBug]> salva: you should check out Nicod he does some stuff for armbian
<[TheBug]> and has a channel
<stipa> lol
<salva> jeff sterling is the worst guy ever
<salva> i literally hate him
<salva> soooo rpi fan boy
<salva> even on task that rpi literally suck
<salva> like... a router
<stipa> he's pushing rpi stuff over the limit
<salva> a router without AES hardware
<[TheBug]> Jeff is Jeff, he is doing that stuff for Jeff.. lol
<[TheBug]> and yeah he is sponsored by RPi foundation in some cases and other vendors
<[TheBug]> its pretty obvious
<salva> I can think on several cheaper sbc routers than a CM4 based router
<salva> and they have AES
<[TheBug]> I just wish he would be more diverse so it wasn't so transparent
<stipa> it's fine if you0re running rpi i guess
<[TheBug]> I mean only other content he did was on starlink (also paid)
<lanefu> [TheBug]: yeah i do wish he would mix it up
<salva> i can imagine many workloads in wich rpi is cost effective
<salva> none of them are be a router or a nas
<[TheBug]> salva: its not about cost effective, it is about: READ: Freee
<salva> hhahah yeah
<[TheBug]> all the stuff he has there to work with I am sure is pretty much provided to him free
<[TheBug]> if you had it free you would say all the same shit ;p
<[TheBug]> well maybe
<[TheBug]> but you get my point
<salva> but I received stuff for free, even stuff i dont like
<salva> and I will not say this is the best
<salva> if its not
<salva> yes, nicod is my friend
<salva> since long time ago
<salva> mi original youtube channel was pilabs
* lanefu knows someone who stopped talking about clusterserver r1 after horrible packet loss :)
<[TheBug]> But his channel isn't the stuff he 'likes' its just showing the stuff he has gotten and how it works -- sometimes he comments on his thoughts of it, others he just demonstrates it and leaves that for you to decide
<salva> now its held by grayduck the guy at twisteros
<[TheBug]> again its just sponsored content
<salva> for example
<salva> the orange pi 4
<salva> i had severe power issues
<salva> even at normal clock speeds
<salva> or the rockpi x... its a potato for most parts
<[TheBug]> sounds about right cause they use poor power supply and pmic
<salva> but yeah, can run x86 software
<[TheBug]> Raxda uses a real PMIC
<salva> orange pi 4 is 5v only
<[TheBug]> and a real USBC supply
<lanefu> ha yeah opi 4 power works much better via usb-c
<salva> i used both
<salva> none of them are reliable
<lanefu> hmm mine's been solid
<[TheBug]> used both what, power supplies on OPi4?
<salva> barrel jack
<salva> and usb type c
<salva> many usb type c
<[TheBug]> also I can recommend a good supply for you that is much more reliable for type-c if you want
<salva> psu's
<salva> i used the best one, from friendly arm, it's the only that can feed properly a potato 4 (rpi4)
<salva> but i get random reboots
<salva> if I plug my hard drivers
<lanefu> ohhhhh
<salva> drives
<lanefu> yeah use powered hub or drives enclosure with its own PS
<lanefu> odroid n2 is bad with tha tas well
<salva> ohh
<salva> n2
<salva> i hate it
<salva> sorry
<salva> i know they are odroid fans here
<salva> but I think they mostly suck. horrible ideas , good community
<[TheBug]> salva ^ this and it can be used in multiple cases
<[TheBug]> you can use a molex to DC jack to power from atx power supply
<salva> you know what
<[TheBug]> you can also use just plain 12v supply
<salva> I would love the pine64 PSU
<salva> that big psu with multiple outputs
<salva> that seems amazing to me
<[TheBug]> yeah its nice
<[TheBug]> but expensive
<salva> pine64 does a great job
<lanefu> at marketing
<[TheBug]> except when shipping stuff
<salva> while not as cheap stuff as radxa, they make very good products
<[TheBug]> my rockpro64 came today looked like it had been used for football
<salva> well, it was good quality football?
<salva> hahaha
<salva> yeah, maybe
<[TheBug]> luckily the board it's self was in another box in the box
<[TheBug]> but the external box was worse for wear
<[TheBug]> like they threw it across the logistics center
<salva> well, it get shipped directly from china.
<salva> where did you get it?
<[TheBug]> yeah I paid 22$ for shipping I guess that didn't include the 0.30 for foam peanuts
<[TheBug]> direct from pine64
<salva> mmm
<salva> and you are from the states?
<[TheBug]> yes
<lanefu> [TheBug]: man probably should have just ordered that from ameridroid
<salva> maybe its a much better idea to get it from ameridriod
<salva> cheaper
<salva> safer
<lanefu> ^^
<lanefu> and they carry shelly.cloud stuff now too
<salva> i requested ameridroid to put radxa products on his portafolio
<salva> ameridroid: get out from my sight
<salva> i am not from the states of course
<salva> I just need the most competitive rk3399 to be competitive in the states
<lanefu> you in south ameirca?
<salva> yepp
<salva> I do love rpi (noo..), so , to defeat lady upton monopoly I need a solid competitor in the states
<lanefu> lol
<lanefu> yeah US is very RPI
<salva> and if you conquer US you conquer the entire market
<lanefu> odroid most popular after rpi
<salva> yeah
<salva> but odroid isnt an rpi competitor for many reasons
<salva> mostly amlogic sbcs
<salva> so, horrible for projects
<lanefu> yep
<lanefu> hows gpio stuff on rk3399?
<lanefu> i use allwinner for gpio stuff
<[TheBug]> lanefu: actually no, I did the math and such, and #1 it was more expensive #2 they didn't have any 32Gb emmc modules, #3 they didn't have the heatsink I wanted
<[TheBug]> their stock of pine64 official items is not complete
<[TheBug]> it turned out cheaper and likely shipped faster from pine64 direct
<salva> I dont use that much gpio bc my work its mostly on the desktop side of things. but you have very good i/o on rk3399
<salva> and its not only gpio
<[TheBug]> I did pay 22$ in shipping but the overall order was way cheaper also
<salva> DSI/CSI... etc
<[TheBug]> also shipping from them was at least $10
<[TheBug]> (ameridroid being 'them' )
<lanefu> how fast did you get your rockpro
<[TheBug]> fast
<lanefu> like 3 days?
<[TheBug]> well
<[TheBug]> not 3 days fast no
<salva> like at 2.21 ghz, overclocked
<[TheBug]> June 5, 2021 was order date
<salva> hahah
<[TheBug]> got it today
<[TheBug]> so 10 days
<[TheBug]> from china thats fast
<salva> completely unrelated
<salva> well, allnetchina for radxa stuff it's quite fast
<salva> and I have a canadian friend (yeah, that sucks...canadian) that say he paid very few taxes. he bought stuff at allnetchine several times
<lanefu> i ordered on the 7th and it came sunday
<salva> I reported a lot of instabilities on panfrost on master
<salva> panfrost devs hate me
<salva> to much reports
<[TheBug]> salva: yes and if you ever want to chat to someone there who knows their stuff ask for Norbert
<[TheBug]> hes good at what he does over there at allnet
<salva> okay, good good
<[TheBug]> I have purchased all my units direct from them
<salva> sure
<salva> this is my report
<salva> I just posted a video bc it was most intuitive
<salva> i dont know how to trace something that make the system hang copmpletely
<salva> i would have to take a look on the kernel logs..
<[TheBug]> salva: so it sounds like you should hang around here more
<salva> mehh
<salva> just reported it
<[TheBug]> salva: we are always in need for big brains and motivated people around here
<salva> hopefully
<salva> hahah
<lanefu> ill take motivated over brains
<lanefu> but both is grea
<lanefu> t
<lanefu> lol
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<rneese> desktops we dont need no stinking desktops
<rneese> O wait I did most the desktop work lol
<rneese> hehehe
<rneese> hey salva
<rneese> how goes
<salva> well, I am a history teacher
<salva> completely unrelated
<salva> i just took this for hobby
<rneese> history is so in the past
<[TheBug]> you could be a sex worker at a strip club, as long as you know your way around an SBC, doesn't matter to me ;p
<salva> and then I meet God. well, ptitseb.
<[TheBug]> plus I always liked my history teachers.. talk about big brains ;)
<[TheBug]> means you have lots to teach us all
<[TheBug]> :D
<rneese> if history is behind us and tomorrow is the future and today is just a blip
<salva> well, history it's mostly about transformation of human societies, not aobut the apst
<salva> not about the past
<salva> history...well, the history battles are mostly like the ones we have with our personal memory (mind)
<salva> our mind will fake every fucking detail about our past and the developemnt that took us to our present
<salva> okay, its boring + difficult to explain if you dont know the language properly
<[TheBug]> :)
<salva> so, yeah, I love arm linux. and I think that with box86 and box64 on the next arm sbcs I will be able to blow minds away
<rneese> for me I look to the past to learn what to do and not do in the future but not how to change the path we are on
<rneese> but thats me
<salva> not bc the next gen sbcs are stronger.. they are more efficient ones
<rneese> so you guys use the xfce desktop
<salva> I cant make handhelds with tv box socs like those amlogic ones
<salva> xfce is the only desktop environment. you should be banned to think otherwise
<rneese> is there a way with what you have done and armbian has done and now having more then one desktop we can make your build work on all the dif desktops or is it limited to xfce ?
<salva> hahaha
<rneese> now
<rneese> xfce the main clone of solaris CDE
<rneese> get it right
<salva> let me understand what you had said
<salva> it was a joke buddy
<rneese> I am the old man here I go back to bsd/os 4.4 and fbsd 1.2
<salva> ohh you mean twisteros?
<rneese> yes
<salva> twisteros is xfce only
<salva> and I am not related to that anymore
<rneese> ok
<salva> we can make a simple but much more prerry xfce skin for armbian
<salva> prerry (usable
<salva> i mean, the current one looks a bit rough
<rneese> well for me with what we have done I have been working just to match what ubuntu has for desktops and making them useable and stable
<salva> but performance wise, xpresent mode is mandatory on xfce https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=13233
<rneese> have you looked at the new images
<salva> 3 times more opengl performance
<rneese> we have budgie/deepin 15/cinnamon/gnome/mate/xfce
<salva> okay
<[TheBug]> salva: rneese has been working on NEW desktop options and I think at the heart of it he would like your input / help to improve them further :)
<rneese> so the thing would to be making adjustments to them to match
<salva> so, you are planning to redefine what would be the best default environment for armbian ?
<rneese> yes
<rneese> opening it up to users to have a choice
<salva> xfce or mate would be my targets
<rneese> mine is budgie and cinnamon now
<rneese> as they give alot newer look and feel
<salva> ohh they are probably lovely
<salva> but how much ram /cpu we loose on them?
<rneese> cinnamon closer to windows and budgie to mac
<salva> ohh
<rneese> budgie runs with 730 megs of ram
<salva> cool
<rneese> and cinnamon is about 760 yo 800
<rneese> before you start running anot od deamons
<salva> can you share me an image with budgie
<salva> well, and cinamon
<rneese> what board
<salva> I need oto try them all
<salva> rockpi4c
<salva> rk3399
<salva> i will change the dtb then, it should boot
<rneese> we tend to build per board
<salva> I will test them, and give you my feedback
<[TheBug]> yay, a new 4c person ;p
<rneese> I can build you images in the am and point you to them
<salva> ohh
<[TheBug]> rneese: geez, whats a man got to do around here to get you to build images for rockpi 4c
<salva> but what board do you use
<salva> maybe i have that boad too
<salva> i have 7 rk3399s
<[TheBug]> salva: he did most of testing on NanoPC T4
<salva> okay
<rneese> I have the Nanopi t4 and fe-som-rk3399
<salva> yes
<salva> i have 2 T4s
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<[TheBug]> geez all the cool toys and your a history teacher?
<salva> ETa prime gifted me one
<rneese> thats where the currently testing images are
<salva> he would not use it of course
<salva> he hates rk3399
<[TheBug]> rneese: hey now, I want images for my RockPi 4c now, you can't dangle that in front of a man and then not build them ;p
<rneese> lol
<[TheBug]> well ETA prime misses some things too
<[TheBug]> I bet he could get better out of rk3399
<salva> indeed
<[TheBug]> if he had some more patients
<salva> i hate his reviews on android
<[TheBug]> I have watched his videos on them..
<salva> this are sbcs
<rneese> I watch all those guys and the reviews
<salva> not android tv boxes
<[TheBug]> yeah but thats the crowd he tend to pander too
<rneese> [TheBug], I will work on them tomorrow
<[TheBug]> the ones buying cheap android devices at walmart
<salva> ohh
<rneese> they will be basic
<[TheBug]> rneese: hehe thats cool, well if you want to I will be happy to check them out as well and give you my feedback, totally up to you, also now have the RockPro64 sitting here... so thats an option as well
<rneese> ok
<salva> thanks rnese for this work
<salva> lovely
<salva> i will test them all
<rneese> ok
<[TheBug]> :)
<salva> we will make arm great again
<salva> hahaha
<[TheBug]> hahaha
<salva> just joking, no politics
<[TheBug]> now the icing on the cake would be if you know anyone at Marvel
<rneese> dont get me wrong xfce is a greta desktop and hand I known now what I did not know back when this started I could have moded xfce alot more
<[TheBug]> cause we really need some driver help on Armada stuff :Z
<salva> ohh
<rneese> but giving more desktop options in the long runn makes people happier to have a choice
<salva> you scared me
<salva> I though marvel, like.. superheroes
<rneese> I am also working in xmonad and I got the basic for i3 but need to find a i3 peron to glam it up and make it alot more useable
<salva> anyone here have a marvel
<salva> armada
<salva> those are expensive stuff
<[TheBug]> ahaha salva, nah Marvel like the chip vendor
<[TheBug]> ;p
<rneese> i use to have a dramplug
<lanefu> don't scare off salva
<rneese> dreamplu
<[TheBug]> lanefu: ROFL
<rneese> lol can not type
<[TheBug]> salva: they are used in ESPRESSOBin and also Helios4
<salva> ohh
<salva> yeah
<salva> i like the espressobin
<[TheBug]> well we do to
<[TheBug]> problem is we don't have anyone good at drivers for them
<[TheBug]> so the state of them are...
<lanefu> i dunno about _like_
<[TheBug]> LOL
<[TheBug]> hey I have 5 of them
<[TheBug]> I think I more than like them
<[TheBug]> ;p
<salva> the board that is far better than rpi4 (on the stuff he does on rpi4) but steff jerling will never review
<rneese> I started armbian on a cubieboard
<rneese> and have been back and forth
<[TheBug]> salva: before I used rk3399 for NAS I was using all ESPRESSOBin for the same purpose
<salva> and cubieboard still have mainline support
<salva> sorry, jeff steerling
<[TheBug]> I have EBin versions 4, 5 and 7
<lanefu> gerling
<[TheBug]> hehe
<salva> hahaha
<salva> now i hate like too many people
<salva> hahhaha
<salva> but its just one at the end
<lanefu> doubled your enemies
<salva> well, and upton
<lanefu> btw LOL to Lady Upton
<salva> you know what poetry is to me?
<rneese> I would like to see the dreamplug revised but more like a rk3566 or sim chip
<rneese> I think the units rocked back when
<salva> to read TKaiser comments on rpi related hardware at CNX
<salva> that's sooo pure
<rneese> it was the first arm I got from work to play with
<[TheBug]> ROFL
<rneese> ?
<[TheBug]> okay its confirmed, salva has been around SBC for a while
<lanefu> oh man yeah TK ripped hard on than rpi tabley thing
<[TheBug]> quoting Tkaiser like a champ
<rneese> ok so
<[TheBug]> extra credit if you are friendly with him (doe he even have friends?)
<rneese> who needs friends when you have the armbian devs crazy house
<rneese> lol
<[TheBug]> lol he doesn't even have that anymore I think after his last interaction with Armbian :Z
<salva> ohh, he probably is mad as fuck. but I am a history teacher and a linux enthusiast ... I cant say much about that
<[TheBug]> <3 for Tkaiser but he sure does have a sharp tounge
<rneese> salva, where you located
<salva> argentina
<rneese> timezone country Lat Lon
<rneese> wow on
<rneese> dont cry fopr me ok
<salva> 11:14pm
<rneese> lol
<rneese> 22:14 NE TENN US
<salva> I am on sbcs since 2018, not that far away
<rneese> you just a sbc baby
<rneese> ok
<[TheBug]> salva: I started out with Cubieboard A10 before getting into RPi
<salva> stared with rpi3, installed retropie.. then 2 weeks later i went mesa, master mesa... and started compiling stuff
<salva> too many stuff
<salva> my mind was blown
<[TheBug]> salva: then I got into H3 hardcore: https://h3droid.com
<salva> and also my pi..
<salva> very hard to compile with just one core and zram
<rneese> well then you found other board sand say the PI was not the holy grail
<lanefu> i accidently got an orangepi one
<lanefu> and the rest was history
<rneese> lol
<rneese> say/saw
<salva> and when I got a pi4 i said...
<salva> are you kidding to me?
<rneese> lol
<[TheBug]> salve: if you ever want to have some fun with Android on a H3 check it out -- also we have it fully rooted so you can access underlying Linux OS and work with GPIO and other stuff like that
<rneese> cool
<salva> I almost started to tinkering with retrorange pi
<salva> mostly bc its based on armbian
<[TheBug]> salva: also you can dual boot H3droid and Armbian or LibreELEC
<rneese> as I get older gaming is less and less a thing
<rneese> i miss my atari
<rneese> lol
<rneese> the good ole days of zork
<[TheBug]> rneese: why do you think all you old farts are using SBCs -- to make emulation systems for old games , cmon now
<[TheBug]> we know the secret ;p
<salva> here I am if you would like to know me how cute I am in person
<[TheBug]> lol
<rneese> lol
<salva> downloading 3 images of rneese
<salva> my internet its too slow
<rneese> ouch now I am blink
<rneese> blind
<salva> so i will be able to test them tomorrow
<rneese> lol
<rneese> those are th armbian images not from my server
<rneese> those are on IgorPec network
<salva> niceee
<salva> lets run a ddos attack then
<salva> hahaha why
<rneese> we are working to make the stable and get them released
<salva> okay!
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<rneese> we can teach you the new builder and editing the package files
<salva> okay, last time i build armbian i was like 10 kilograms lighter.
<salva> before covid19
<salva> it woudl be easier if you edit the documentation
<salva> and just name how to set an specific environment
<salva> just say*
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<rneese> ok
<rneese> man this sucks I want to go to bed and rest but I have 40 min on my antibiotic infusion
<rneese> this bites
<salva> what
<salva> you need to wait for the antibiotics
<rneese> I had a leg infection
<salva> ohh
<rneese> I am on a antibiotic infusor
<rneese> so I have to sit and wait for it to run
<salva> hope you get better then
<salva> :)
<rneese> I am alot better but the antibiotics are for 6 weeks twice a day
<rneese> to make shure its cleaned out
<salva> 6 weeks!
<rneese> yes
<salva> that's a lot
<rneese> well it was a knee replacement gone bad
<rneese> so they have to make shure the bacteria is gone before they can put a replacement in
<rneese> so 6 weeks is the run time
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<rneese> but I digress
<salva> so, you have a fake kneecap now?
<rneese> so welcome and hope we can work on things to better armbian
<salva> kneecap replaement, i mean
<rneese> I have no knee cap and whats called a space
<salva> woww
<salva> whathappened to oyur kneecap
<rneese> full knee replacement not just kneecap
<salva> okayy
<salva> yeah, that's really a hard surgery
<salva> best wished buddy
<salva> wishes
<rneese> thanks
<salva> does it hurt?
<rneese> so I have 6 weeks at home and time to work on this alot
<salva> the better for us
<rneese> no not really
<rneese> it hurt the first few days post op
<rneese> but the pain clears up fast
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<rneese> now its just stiff and I have to keep moving and stretching it out
<salva> okay, perfect
<rneese> so back to armbian
<salva> so, i will insist with the armbian discord later on, the idea would be to have different channels, this for the old guys like us. and one (discord) for the kids and future nerds
<rneese> let me know after you review what you think
<salva> but i would like to have the approval
<rneese> I agree
<salva> of course , I will
<rneese> I think discord would be good
<rneese> but irc is tried and true the main
<salva> yeah, it looks great to me.
<[TheBug]> salva: cmon now, irc is the real nerd paradise
<[TheBug]> you must embrace the irc
<[TheBug]> or Andrew Lee wins
<salva> hahahhaa
<rneese> we will need to get screen shots of desktops and post them also
<salva> yes
<salva> thats why
<salva> thats why diorcord is more suitable for some discussions
<rneese> more private and otr
<[TheBug]> I am actually willing to bet Discord / Slack paid Andrew Lee to tank Freenode -- because now every single day I hear one group or other say "lets all switch to discord" -- and let me tell you, no other explanation besides that or "Hookers and Cocaine" can easily describe that guys decisions.
<salva> its really funny we use irc since the 90s
<salva> i used mirc on my first pc
<rneese> hey I use to use bbs boards
<rneese> lets not go there
<[TheBug]> I used netcom netcruiser with irc built in :)
<[TheBug]> on a 486 Tandy Sensation
<rneese> iirc
<lanefu> wow thats an epic conspiracy theory
<[TheBug]> with a 9600 baud modem
<lanefu> i ran a BBS
<lanefu> 2
<salva> mmm
<rneese> hey now 2400 in my day
<salva> i will try the original mirc with box86
<rneese> then it grew
<[TheBug]> well I did bbs before that but thats when I first used IRC lol
<lanefu> oh man that would be a trip to see mirc
<[TheBug]> I had used Slackware way in advance of IRC
<[TheBug]> lol
<rneese> mirc wow
<lanefu> i used OS/2 Warp on irc
<rneese> slackware the 1 true linux
<[TheBug]> LOL
<[TheBug]> [[TheBug] VERSION reply]: mIRC v7.55 via ZNC 1.6.5+deb1 - http://znc.in
<rneese> os2/warp/merlin
<rneese> geesh
<rneese> dec alpha 21264
<rneese> I miss my dec
<[TheBug]> salva: have also used mirc since alpha version
<rneese> fbsd 3.5
<[TheBug]> lanefu: let me know when you have irced from a HP 3000 or VAX server ;p
<[TheBug]> haha
<lanefu> SCO Unix server runner on a gateway 2000 full height DX2/66
<[TheBug]> yep first ISP I worked at was all SCO
* rneese grew up on a marine base for 8 yearss all we had was dec alphas and serial terminals
<[TheBug]> yay for paying 1000$ for the developer kit so I could compile sendmail
<rneese> I want pine to be revived
<lanefu> haha
<[TheBug]> you can still install pine
<rneese> I miss pine
<rneese> but its not secure
<[TheBug]> its as secure as your terminal
<rneese> or did they fix all the holes
<[TheBug]> lol
<rneese> ok
<rneese> I miss having the whiptail menu for access you had options for mail/ssh/local console/bbs dial out
<rneese> man I learned whiptail because of that
<rneese> for doing shell menus
<lanefu> whats whiptail
<[TheBug]> so random, any of you ever use pacrease.org back when it was a free dialin?
<lanefu> nope
<rneese> its a scripting lang for menus
<[TheBug]> I used to dialin to pacrease.org all the time back in the day they offered free 9600 bad internet through their BBS
<[TheBug]> I would dialin from a 286 Tandy laptop
<[TheBug]> when I traveled
<[TheBug]> lol
<[TheBug]> I seriously wish I still had that Tandy 286 laptop
<rneese> you use whiptail on armbian
<rneese> the armbian-config is writen in whiptail
<lanefu> i thought it used dialog
<lanefu> is dialog whiptail?
<rneese> dialodg works with wiptail
<rneese> whiptail
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<salvaa> okay
<rneese> wb
<salvaa> I am on the rockpi4c
<salvaa> on mirc
* rneese staples salvaa to the channel wall
<rneese> I use hexchat/xchat
<salvaa> mm
<rneese> Nov 28, 2015 — whiptail(1) is a lightweight replacement for dialog(1)
<rneese> but they can work together
<salvaa> that's the pic :)
<salvaa> hahahaha
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<rneese> 5 min alarm on the machine
<rneese> itss almost done
<rneese> then off to bed
<salva58> sure :)
<salva58> rest well
<rneese> tomorrow I start the work on reviewing builds and seeing what can be done to clean them up but for the most part they are where they mostlikly can be
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<rneese> btw I am using the cinnamon desktop on the t4
<rneese> its my desktop of choice for the most part
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<rneese> I liked dde but dde support for 15.x died
<rneese> but its in there
<rneese> for people to look at
<rneese> its a very nice clean desktop
<rneese> and I hope thet get dde 20 or 21 done soon for arm
<salva> okay, i will leave this on scheduled shutdown .
<salva> see you tomorrow guys
<[TheBug]> Later salva
<lanefu> cya man
<rneese> gn
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<barfoo> laptop A had it's internet shared over lan via network manager's ipv4 shared to others option for an opi B to use, the opi's connection info is in network/interfaces and it worked until recently, connecting laptiop C to the same networks has working internet from laptop A, but not the armbian B, how to fix?
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<[TheBug]> Someone should buy Jeff Geerling a RockPro64, I don't think he would ever look back... LOL
<IgorPec> convicing conviced is a hard job ;)
<IgorPec> btw. go to sleep :) I see you had a chatty night
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<ArmbianTwitter> @khadas_official (Khadas): VIM3 - 2021 Updates! * Armbian OS support * Google AOSP * Google Fuchsia * TELC & ROHS Certifications https://t.co/BGYQG5kweK https://t.co/43We0aGC0b https://tinyurl.com/yj5hpu6m (15s ago)
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<nekomancer[m]> > I was a kid pkaying with linux on desktop in 1998
<nekomancer[m]> /me did a first try to setup enterprice workplace in enterprise. fail — there was ms office and MSIE domination epoch.
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<lanefu> grrr pineh64b still random crashing after months of rock-solid service
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<ArmbianTwitter> @cnxsoft (CNX Software): #RaspberryPi Zero W alternative with a much more powerful quad-core @AmlogicPR S905Y2 64-bit processor, up to 4GB RAM, up to 16GB flash, WiFi 5 and Bluetooth 5.0, etc.. #sbc #android #linux #armbian https://t.co/mtFTIz2QqY https://tinyurl.com/yexgro83 (10s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): RT @cnxsoft: #RaspberryPi Zero W alternative with a much more powerful quad-core @AmlogicPR S905Y2 64-bit processor, up to 4GB RAM, up to 1… https://tinyurl.com/yhe8nppc https://tinyurl.com/yf9vk8ds (8s ago)
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<rneese> ok guys we need tester willing to review new desktop images and help out with feed back
<rneese> come on guys help out
<rneese> dont make all our work useless
<ArmbianTwitter> @A13_technology (A13 (◕ᴗ◕✿) 🏳️‍🌈): @Open_Embed @Mister_Who_Pub @cnxsoft @AmlogicPR TwisterOS is a tweaked armbian as far as I know. But I would prefer vanilla armbian. Btw do you get samples @armbian ? https://tinyurl.com/ygf8nbmt (17s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @BKopernikus (★But★No★Smoking★Pistol★): @armbian @khadas_official @AmlogicPR @IloveRockchip This is fantastic. I have been maintaining two community-effort Armbian images for the Khadas VIM3 Pro, with help of like minded enthusiasts. An official image will allow this team to share optimizations in Git, etc. A happy announcement! https://tinyurl.com/yj47g9pc (17s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker (geimpft💉)): @A13_technology @Open_Embed @Mister_Who_Pub @cnxsoft @AmlogicPR @armbian TwisterOS is some scripts and tweaks on top of #Armbian. Closed source though so do not put all your trust into it. Also things like running OC by default might not be the best idea for everyone... https://tinyurl.com/ygstld3e (19s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): @A13_technology @Open_Embed @Mister_Who_Pub @cnxsoft @AmlogicPR Twister OS is a desktop tweak on top of Armbian and it comes in binary form which means they are violating GPL. There is no relation with us and also no technical support from #armbian team. We are seeking help from you to expand on more boards ... https://tinyurl.com/yjllwl37 (4s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @A13_technology (A13 (◕ᴗ◕✿) 🏳️‍🌈): @armbian @Open_Embed @Mister_Who_Pub @cnxsoft @AmlogicPR Thank you for clarifying, I've heard about twisterOS once or twice but wasn't sure how it "integrates" with Armbian. Obviously there is no official support when it's not a Armbian project itself. Also it's really bad that they violate the GPL 🤨. https://tinyurl.com/ygm6zxwu (10s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @A13_technology (A13 (◕ᴗ◕✿) 🏳️‍🌈): @armbian @Open_Embed @Mister_Who_Pub @cnxsoft @AmlogicPR There are multiple projects which let you guys do the hard work of getting a Linux running well on a SBC and then just add their Userspace stuff. https://tinyurl.com/yh4nchwj (26s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @BKopernikus (★But★No★Smoking★Pistol★): @NicoD99364191 @armbian @khadas_official @AmlogicPR @IloveRockchip My "grafted" community image on the Armbian forums since May, showed me where this could go on the VIM3. I mashed up an Odroid N2+ image with the right dtd, then adding support for G12 audio and fan - some Fenix parts, some LibreElec. Fastest system on VIM3 there is. POW! https://tinyurl.com/yk3ao9k6 (15s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @lanefu (Lane Jennison): @A13_technology @armbian @Open_Embed @Mister_Who_Pub @cnxsoft @AmlogicPR or sometimes they fork, borrow the name, but change all the branding and then nothing ever comes of it like @karmbian when all the need to do was learn how to use the build system and the built in functionality for customizing images https://tinyurl.com/ygk5ggkv (4s ago)
<lanefu> I couldn't help shitting on karmbian
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<Werner> ^^
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<barfoo> the issue was dns didn't resolve? ping worked, ping domain.tld didn't, something must have changed after updating, no idea what
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<lanefu> barfoo: look for resolvconf and systemd-resovler configs causing trouble
<Werner> ArmbianTwitter: part
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<stipa> :(
<IgorPec> stipa is going to be our first discord fan :)
<stipa> IgorPec: sorry man, i'm CLI only
<IgorPec> hehe, me2
<stipa> but there are some others here who have Desktops for sure...
<stipa> some can even watch videos with Acceleration
<stipa> good enough for
<stipa> discord
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<stipa> there are cli clients for discord
<stipa> i'll take a look at it in the near future
<stipa> is armbian channel on discord active?
<Xogium> keep in mind though that using third party clients is against discord's TOS and you might end up banned if you're found out
<Xogium> still hasn't happened to me yet, but heh, you never know
<stipa> damn
<stipa> i won't mind if they ban me
<Xogium> yeah, pretty much my reaction hehe
<stipa> thanks for the info Xogium
<Xogium> anytime ;)
<stipa> yeah, they banned coder of one of the clients
<stipa> it's not worth the hassle
<stipa> after situiation with freenode i don't want to risk with such places like discord
<stipa> don't have time for that
<stipa> that place is worse than discord
<stipa> freenode*
<stipa> tbh, on libera i have more than i need
<stipa> all the best stuff in the world is here
<Xogium> yep
<Xogium> I only got discord because I have litterally one friend who insists on using it
<stipa> right
<Xogium> and I'm using bitlbee with it, fsck those TOS because they just sucks
<Xogium> :p
<rneese> i am on 4 groups on discord
<rneese> so using dicord is daily for me
<stipa> yeah, you had hard time vhewing the IRC when you came here
<lanefu> yeah i got like 6 or 7 discords which isn why i like to close it
<stipa> chewing*
<rneese> I remember irc when it was text only youngman
<IgorPec> i think we have something like this
<IgorPec> for IRC in 90"
<rneese> ours was green but yes
<rneese> the good ole days
<stipa> they're good now too
<stipa> look how advanced it is
<stipa> irc has gone a long way
<IgorPec> they had fantastic keyboard as i remember
<stipa> clicky stuff
<stipa> that was tech back then, today gamers pay big bucks for keyboards like that
<stipa> but they look fancy today with rgb diodes and stuff
<IgorPec> yeah, and we could get those for free since they were just started to throw away
<stipa> old office workers also keep those old keyboards to this day because they love them
<IgorPec> i have new age mechanical at home. sadly no old one survived
<IgorPec> but not gaming style
<rneese> yeah now they still want mega money for old serial term
<Xogium> mechanical, even if its the new variant is better than those yucky membrane keyboards
<IgorPec> absolutely.
<IgorPec> i got one leopold and one varmillo
<IgorPec> nothing super fancy, but well made
<Xogium> yeah
<Xogium> ;)
<IgorPec> tkl ofc
<stipa> yeah, membrane ones skip a stroke alot
<Xogium> I prefer functional over fancy anyway, since most of the time fancy means some rgb leds or whatever and I just don't really give a damn about that
<Xogium> even my new pc won't have any rgb, yeah, I still somehow managed that
<IgorPec> varmillo has leds, but they can be and are disabled
<IgorPec> and are white only anyway
<stipa> wow
<stipa> made in China
<IgorPec> yes. but are very good quality
<stipa> fancy
<IgorPec> i had das keyboard ultimate before and i throw it away for varmillo
<stipa> varmilo looks more minimal
<IgorPec> varmillo i can just recommend
<stipa> oh damn
<stipa> the price is hot
<rneese> ?
<stipa> from 100$ up
<stipa> 130$ up used
<stipa> over 200$ new
<stipa> on ebay
<stipa> rneese: varmilo keyboards
<rneese> ok
<IgorPec> yes, not cheap
<rneese> might make one
<stipa> i'm building a transistor matcher
<stipa> on a prefboard
<stipa> perfboard*
<rneese> cool
<stipa> :D
<stipa> i have english test tomorrow so the project is paused
<rneese> i am working on multi lil projects but due to parts shortage they are on hold
<stipa> damn
<stipa> parts are a bummer
<stipa> before ebay era i could make a shit overhere
<rneese> yeah si5351 chips for clocking and some other ships\
<stipa> couldn't*
<stipa> yeah, and pray to god you don't get counterfeit
<rneese> i like that
<rneese> nice build
<lanefu> stipa: good luck on your test
<rneese> engwish we dont need no stinking engwish
<rneese> lol
<stipa> lanefu: thanks man
<stipa> how much have you built of those terminals?
<stipa> rneese:
<rneese> no just looking
<rneese> at ideas
<stipa> oh
<stipa> i tought those are kits
<rneese> i wish
<rneese> they have the files for printing
<stipa> right right
<stipa> 3d printing
<rneese> something like this but made of wood would be fun
<rneese> or a steampunk style wood laptop
<stipa> that one is pretty
<stipa> star wars like
<stipa> yeah, if you don't have a printer wood is an alternative
<stipa> i'll also have to build a case for eurorack synth modules, it'll be wood for sure
<stipa> i'll have to research basics how to make straight lines and stuff, i did some but i forgot
<stipa> don't have any fancy machines just a saw
<stipa> hand saw
<stipa> it'll be fun for sure
<stipa> i'll be dowe tail expert in no time
<stipa> dovetail*
<stipa> i could do that no problem
* stipa is joking
<rneese> nice
<rneese> https://www.google.com/search?q=steampunk+wood+laptop&client=ubuntu&hs=s4J&sxsrf=ALeKk03IykMY-uChr_FlHI_TUIrMgFa0vg:1623871151883&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=LkTsAr1IU58tkM%252CI4Osz0AlatiksM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kSoJ8hMVDirWJML3YNQ7cWA3EC0_g&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwijyKy575zxAhUFP6wKHSZKB1kQ9QF6BAgLEAE&biw=1039&bih=776#imgrc=LkTsAr1IU58tkM
<rneese> all the diff ones
<rneese> just ideas
<nekomancer[m]> [TheBug] what it about?
<nekomancer[m]> > Also for A3720 you could build and include CZ.NIC wtmi_app.bin firmware into WTMI_IMG (described in above example how to build) to enable Hardware Random Number Generator support.
<nekomancer[m]> I read there https://trustedfirmware-a.readthedocs.io/en/latest/plat/marvell/armada/build.html about CZ.NIC but can't find related code in armbian build
<[TheBug]> huh?
<[TheBug]> well is several of the Armada chipsets they supply a random number generator and often crypto extensions for use with raid (xor) or lower versions of AES
<[TheBug]> for EBin and it has a module for encryption
<rneese> [TheBug], did you see the pm
<rneese> I sent you
<[TheBug]> it is: modprobe marvell-cesa
<[TheBug]> rneese: yes sir, sorry I was sleeping earlier, switched to night shift so schedules a bit wonky -- I will give a test later ;) Thanks.
<rneese> ok there should be a 3rd in a min
<[TheBug]> Those were all for RockPi 4c right?
<[TheBug]> I have my test unit on the desk ready to go
<[TheBug]> and a sdcard so
<rneese> yep just added mate
<rneese> so its in your list
<[TheBug]> lanefu: interestingly I didn't expect how much amount of memory would affect the general IO performance on rk3399, however, because my RockPro64 only has 2GB of LPDDR4 it actually ends up with roughly .75x the performance of the RockPi 4c with 4GB
<[TheBug]> thats with larger files and such, basically as soon as file exceeds amount of memory available it has to write memory to disk thus impeeding IO for a few cycles until completed so you loose 25% performance with larger files
<[TheBug]> s/loose/lose
<ArmbianHelper> [TheBug] meant to say: thats with larger files and such, basically as soon as file exceeds amount of memory available it has to write memory to disk thus impeeding IO for a few cycles until completed so you lose 25% performance with larger files
<[TheBug]> it makes the lpddr4 on RockPi 4c just that much more sexy
<[TheBug]> s/lpddr4/4GB of lpddr4
<ArmbianHelper> [TheBug] meant to say: it makes the 4GB of lpddr4 on RockPi 4c just that much more sexy
<stipa> it sucks when it has to write to swap
<[TheBug]> Anyone have a 4GB RockPro64 they are willing to part with, would love to have / test one vs the 2Gb variant
<stipa> rneese: step 7 on first link looks scary
<[TheBug]> I would have bought one but seems they have halted production of them for same reason Raxda did
<[TheBug]> memory prices..
<stipa> it's an older SBC
<stipa> maybe its EOL
<[TheBug]> no its not EOL and not old
<[TheBug]> its listed on their site
<[TheBug]> its out of stock, same reaosn RockPi 4c is
<[TheBug]> cost of 4Gb LPDDR4 went up by 25-30$
<stipa> yeah, it sux
<[TheBug]> when the device it's self is worth only 60-70$ 25-30$ isn't doable
<stipa> damn, that's not normal
<[TheBug]> not without jacking the device price to a place where no one will pay
<[TheBug]> PIne already were charging more for their 4Gb than Raxda anyways
<stipa> well some can afford it
<[TheBug]> I think their 4Gb version is $90 vs RockPi 4c was 61$
<stipa> i don't know what to say
<stipa> i just hope there won't be any more waves
<[TheBug]> I am stating facts so not much to say
<[TheBug]> just hoping someone would let me bribe them for their 4Gb version :p
<stipa> try in #alarm
<stipa> hmm, noone there
<stipa> #archlinuxarm
<stipa> maybe somone will switch for something you have
<[TheBug]> heheh anyone want a bunch of H3 devices?
<[TheBug]> :D
<[TheBug]> lol
<stipa> you never know
<[TheBug]> I have so many of them they are in boxes on the shelf lol
<stipa> i thin that card doesn't work well with arch
<[TheBug]> I have pretty much any popular H3 device
<stipa> maybe someone wants to get rid of it
<[TheBug]> also I have an extra Sunvell R69 sitting
<[TheBug]> if someone wants lol
<stipa> scammers
<stipa> 8gb of ram and can't run 1080
<stipa> because it's too slow
<[TheBug]> yep, btw that my blog, lol
<[TheBug]> not that I have updated it in forever
<[TheBug]> really probably should
<[TheBug]> https://systemonachip.net points to my blog
<stipa> and, what, can it run desktop?
<[TheBug]> yeah you can run armbian or H3droid on it lol
<[TheBug]> but you won't get over 720p
<[TheBug]> without some oddities
<stipa> that's fine for cli
<[TheBug]> actually
<[TheBug]> I have even the newer version of that box
<[TheBug]> that has a real H3
<[TheBug]> and the memory is even worse
<[TheBug]> they give you 2Gb memory and 16Gb 'emmc'
<[TheBug]> but memory is so poor I can't get it to boot with any other image but on for OPi Zero and you get no network or any devices
<[TheBug]> if someone had the time they could probably get it to work eventually
<[TheBug]> but I have no time for it
<stipa> so, the memory is utilized in eternety if needed, right, all 8 GB?
<[TheBug]> don't confuse emmc with memory
<[TheBug]> on the old device 1Gb of memory, and 8GB emmc I believe
<stipa> damn, you're right
<[TheBug]> the newer is 2Gb, 16Gb emmc
<[TheBug]> but its even more poop
<lanefu> my r69 runs retrorangepi
<stipa> if usb and nic ain't working it's not worth the investement
<[TheBug]> it can be made to work
<[TheBug]> but someone will have to find the memory timings
<[TheBug]> on the new box the vendor cheated
<[TheBug]> they used allwinner uboot
<[TheBug]> that auto clocks memory on boot time
<[TheBug]> where as all images used by armbian sets a specific timing
<[TheBug]> so if it doesn't match up at boot time it just fails to boot
<[TheBug]> my only success was to downclock memory insanely then I got it to half work
<stipa> you're close
<[TheBug]> lanefu: yeah the old one isn't actually a bad little box if you have the correct expectations, my cousin ran one as a print server for quite a while (like over a year) till the fan died and I think it toasted it's self
<[TheBug]> I had originaly bought like 4 of them
<lanefu> origiinal was a good deal cuz it came with power, remote hdmi cable
<lanefu> and was like 30 bucks
<[TheBug]> yeah I grabbed a bunch at $20 a pop when they first came out cause someone came to H3droid and mentioned it to us as soon as it was posted on banggood I think
<[TheBug]> they later went up in price as supply lessened
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<[TheBug]> Man, the Rockpro64 makes this look so effortless: https://prnt.sc/15n0ex6
<[TheBug]> I am in love with the pcie slot on board design
<lanefu> [TheBug]: is this the new official bug favorite
<[TheBug]> Nah not yet
<[TheBug]> not till I test a 4Gb version
<[TheBug]> as mentioned earlier 2Gb version whil still performant does take a hit in IO performance because of less memory
<lanefu> ohh
<lanefu> ha got the 2.5g link?
<[TheBug]> yeah haven't tested it yet, just plugged it in
<[TheBug]> haven't even see n if the driver loaded, lol
<[TheBug]> since I am using legacy to test VPU accel I am going to guess not
<[TheBug]> that is also another test I need to do with IO is under mainline
<[TheBug]> since I haven't done that yet
<[TheBug]> but I am impressed how stable this board is on legacy kernel with VPU accell
<[TheBug]> 1080p playbay is perfect
<[TheBug]> 1440p is doable but has some dropped frames
<[TheBug]> s/playbay/playback
<ArmbianHelper> [TheBug] meant to say: 1080p playback is perfect
<[TheBug]> its more stable so far than I remember RockPi 4c being on legacy
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<[TheBug]> lanefu: I don't even think the driver for that 2.5Gbit nic matured until 5.x series so I don't even think I can test that till I use mainline -- going to try manually compiling their kernel here in a minute, though not optomistic.
<lanefu> oh i just thought i saw it plugged in to it
<[TheBug]> yeah
<[TheBug]> I was over optomistic
<[TheBug]> make[1]: *** /lib/modules/4.4.213-rockchip64/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
<[TheBug]> foiled again!
<lanefu> lol