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<ArmbianBridge> [freenode] <ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): @_msw_ @bitcrazed @awakecoding @BRIAN_____ @SteveSyfuhs @jonmasters For the past 7-8 years we are investing best efforts into consumer ARM SBCs, Notebooks, TVboxes and trying to make & improve standards in diverse, hard and expensive to maintain, ecosystem. Where there is little support from vendors and UEFI will probably remain just a dream. https://tinyurl.com/yeybkah3 (6s ago)
<ArmbianBridge> [freenode] <ArmbianTwitter> @Fabio_Lolix (Fabio Loli): @cnxsoft @theradxa Looking at Twister OS there are no links to open source code or build files and is not even mentioned that is based on Armbian, what a choice for the default OS... https://tinyurl.com/yfet7grw (12s ago)
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<ArmbianBridge> [freenode] <ArmbianTwitter> @lanefu (Lane Jennison): @Fabio_Lolix @cnxsoft @theradxa My existing impression with twisterOS is they just take an Armbian image and install extra things by hand and save. https://tinyurl.com/ydvalbuo (12s ago)
<stipa> Rock Pi 4 Plus ...(external antenna also supported, but an u.FL connected must be soldered)
<stipa> what could be the reason behind that choice :/
<stipa> ... It’s also possible to power the board via a 5V/3.4A power adapter, but it is not recommended
<ArmbianBridge> stipa: Error: ".." is not a valid command.
<stipa> :\
<stipa> Radxa decided to flash Twister OS Armbian to the board maintained by Pi Labs.
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<lanefu> yeah..... this captures my concerns of twister it a nutshell https://forum.armbian.com/topic/18153-rk3399-ram-overclocking-rockpro64/?tab=comments#comment-124885
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<stipa> overclocking, oh my
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<stipa> lanefu: is that guy from "Pi Labs" ?
<stipa> yeah, if he is it's normal to copy the competition especially if it's better
<stipa> in this case friendly arm has faster stuff
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<Werner> AR-123
<ArmbianHelper> AR-123 [Bug] "OpenHAB2 installation is failing" reported by Igor Pecovnik at 2019-12-27. Status: Done
<stipa> that's probably deecision made by marketing
<stipa> in hope it'll boost sales
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Werner changed the topic of #armbian to: armbian - Linux for ARM development boards | www.armbian.com | Github: github.com/armbian | Commits: #armbian-commits | Developer talk: #armbian-devel | Forum feed: #armbian-rss | Type 'help' for help | Logs: -> irc.armbian.com
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<ArmbianTwitter> @DieZuckerbude (🔴🔴 Ben Zucker 🍰): @armbian is moving their IRC channels to @liberachat https://t.co/4rXvM1fUBd https://tinyurl.com/yzvqzxxf (5s ago)
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<ArmbianBridge> [freenode] <nekomancer[m]> .meson
<ArmbianHelper> meson/meson64, board family of Amlogic 32/64bit SoCs like for 32bit the S802, S805 and S812 or for 64bit the S905 and its derivates, S912 and S922. For a complete overview check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amlogic.
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<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): RT @DieZuckerbude: @armbian is moving their IRC channels to @liberachat https://t.co/4rXvM1fUBd https://tinyurl.com/yh6v95w8 https://tinyurl.com/yef23rxf (8s ago)
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<ArmbianBridge> [freenode] <cheakoirccloud> Hello... A recent kernel upgrade from 5.10.21 to 5.10.34 changed around networking in a breaking way. I may have had a bad configuration to start with. diff: https://paste.debian.net/1198504/ 5.10.21: https://paste.debian.net/1198506/ 5.10.34: https://paste.debian.net/1198505/
<ArmbianBridge> [freenode] <[TheBug]> cheakoirccloud: if your seeing a repeatable issue please report it in the forums, that would be the best way to track and address it
<Werner> bond0.netdev isn't that a systemd file?
<ArmbianBridge> [freenode] <cheakoirccloud> AFAIK systemd is the default network tool used in Armbian?
<ArmbianBridge> [freenode] <cheakoirccloud> I don't know how to boot the old kernel.
<ArmbianBridge> [freenode] <cheakoirccloud> ...So I'm unable to reproduce.
<Werner> I have my doubts that the kernel package is responsible since the kernel has nothing to do with those files. rootfs more likely maybe
<ArmbianBridge> [freenode] <cheakoirccloud> I purposefully edited this files, I'm not blaming the kernel for that.
<ArmbianBridge> [freenode] <cheakoirccloud> I'm saying networking was working well, then it wasn't, I made this change, and not networking is ?working? again.
<Werner> Other changes probably came from upstream (?)
<ArmbianBridge> [freenode] <cheakoirccloud> I'd like to be able to run the older kernel... This will be a vital feature as any number of previous kernel bugs would brik a system like this otherwise.
<Werner> You can use armbian-config -> System -> Other to switch to a different kernel image
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<ArmbianBridge> [freenode] <cheakoirccloud> What do I do to collect information for a forum post?
<ArmbianBridge> [freenode] <cheakoirccloud> ...regarding the network changes.
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<Werner> cheakoirccloud, simply follow the reporting form. It will determ whether it is a valid bug and if so what information is necessary to provide: https://www.armbian.com/bugs/
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<Werner> Tonymac32, you should register/identify with nickserv by chance
<igorp_> werner i do have the same problem i guess
<Werner> you need to re-register with nickserv. libera does not have any registration data from freenode
<igorp_> i did
<igorp_> my nick is there
<Werner> Ah. That is your bouncer that I have prepared
<igorp_> probably :) just can't get inside
<Werner> Simply connect to it as you would with freenode but instead of using "igor" as USERname use "igor/libera"
<IgorPec> it works
<Werner> I know :)
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<Werner> now do your nickserv thing
<Werner> very good
<IgorPec> aha, cool
<IgorPec> so now this is back to normal?
<Werner> Almost, what's left is cosmetical which I'll take care of
<IgorPec> great!
<DarthGandalf> Werner: just curious: why igor instead of igor/freenode?
<Werner> If there is only one network added to a user there is no need to specify. But since libera was added that became mandatory
<DarthGandalf> ZNC?
<Werner> yes
<DarthGandalf> Then you're fortunate that libera is after freenode in alphabet
<Werner> I see
<HerculeP> -- das Gl??ck des T??chtigen ;)
<ArmbianHelper> the happiness of the active;) [de~>eng]
<DarthGandalf> If network is not specified, it takes "default" if it exists (for migration from pre-1.0), then tries to take first one alphabetically
<Werner> Keeping that in mind if we move back to freenode :)
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<Xogium> for what its worth, I would frankly not move back to freenode
<Xogium> similar reports have been popping all over the place
<Xogium> its not the only one
<stipa> it's to expect
<stipa> that's why some came here
<stipa> that's how money works
<stipa> it's predictable
<Xogium> yes, but its still disgusting and a total lack of respect for the projects or communities
<Xogium> I avoid mentioning anything and give that link to people instead now, in case the word could trigger their wrath
<ArmbianBridge> [freenode] <f476> orange pi one plus. after update to 21.05.2 welcome screen dont work. i see only message last login. on armbian-config if i select "welcome" option nothing happens and i back to previous menu.
<stipa> reality is harsh
<stipa> it's full of people like that
<stipa> i've seen angels turning into hell
<stipa> it leaves bitter taste
<stipa> and does some damage
<Xogium> yeah
<stipa> you never know
<stipa> at the end it's very economical to trust noone
<ArmbianTwitter> @bitcrazed (Rich Turner 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿): @armbian @_msw_ @awakecoding @BRIAN_____ @SteveSyfuhs @jonmasters Never say never! https://tinyurl.com/ykygfhpe (29s ago)
<IgorPec> f476: armbianmonitor -u as usual
<ArmbianBridge> [freenode] <cheakoirccloud> https://www.embeddedworks.net/wlan746/ Scam?
<Tonymac32> identified werner
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<ArmbianBridge> [freenode] <CrashTestDummy> Werner: thank you
<Macer> well.. that little dns issue i just had was quite the couple hour nightmare ... no idea what pfsense did but it sure did not like talking to dns server after an unbound update
<Macer> seems like there is a tf-a "patch" for the suspend mode for the pbp that is due to be pushed soon without pcie/nvme support ho
<Macer> but emmc is fast enough imo
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<ArmbianBridge> [freenode] <vegii> what's the bridge software called?
<Werner> supybot with relay plugin
<vegii> thx
<Macer> cheakoirccloud: that page won't even load for me heh
<ArmbianTwitter> @tuxmachines (Tux Machines): Rock Pi 4 Plus SBC gets Rockchip OP1 processor, eMMC flash pre-loaded with Twister OS Armbian https://t.co/dYIUgBijGs https://tinyurl.com/yhzrm2j3 (20s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @schestowitz (Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)): #RockPi 4 Plus SBC gets Rockchip OP1 processor, eMMC flash pre-loaded with Twister OS Armbian https://t.co/oo8sKHOnvG #gnu #linux https://tinyurl.com/ygv4kvx6 (29s ago)
<Macer> it's kind of nice that there are so many "embedded arm devices" but they are sort of turning into cryptocurrencies where there is one every week
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<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): @hackerfantastic @stealth Exploit will only work until tomorrow's update. https://tinyurl.com/ye57rth9 (6s ago)
<f476> hello now there :)
<ArmbianTwitter> @schestowitz (Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)): #Rock Pi 4 Plus SBC gets Rockchip OP1 processor, eMMC flash pre-loaded with Twister OS Armbian • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ https://t.co/rvy5zGYAQ9 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines https://tinyurl.com/yekpthfk (12s ago)
<f476> orange pi one plus. after update to 21.05.2 welcome screen dont work. i see only message last login. on armbian-config if i select "welcome" option nothing happens and i back to previous menu.
<IgorPec> f476 what is armbianmonitor -u saying?
<stipa> Macer: yeah, and i have a feeling prices are going up
<stipa> like prices are 10$ more
<stipa> for something that costed 10$ less before
<stipa> but i could have imagined that
<stipa> hardware is fresh
<stipa> same cores with new peripherals
<stipa> like, we all said it, who giveas a fuck about peripherals, just go on with the 8GB of ram...
<ArmbianTwitter> @jonmasters (Jon Masters 🏴‍☠️): @bitcrazed @armbian @_msw_ @awakecoding @BRIAN_____ @SteveSyfuhs As the industry hard pivots toward 100% Arm (my personal prediction is everything is Arm by 2030 with no x86 remaining), the need for standards will be driven by customer and user demand for such. BSPs will fade. https://tinyurl.com/ygrep8b7 (16s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @_msw_ (Matthew S. Wilson): @jonmasters @bitcrazed @armbian @awakecoding @BRIAN_____ @SteveSyfuhs Jon. We all love Arm. But that's not gonna happen (100% Arm). And it would not be good if it did, in my personal opinion. https://tinyurl.com/yezvcwmb (23s ago)
<stipa> fanboys
<IgorPec> haha
<IgorPec> yeah
<ArmbianTwitter> @awakecoding (Marc-André Moreau): @_msw_ @jonmasters @bitcrazed @armbian @BRIAN_____ @SteveSyfuhs Awww. Don't be such a party pooper, of course it will 😁 or at least we will be on a slow trajectory to see it happen someday, ARM everywhere is the new gold rush, and eventually x86 will be a synonym for "deprecated" https://tinyurl.com/yg6tn7vs (18s ago)
<stipa> whait for it
<stipa> it'll be a fight
<f476> @IgorPec: Command 'armbianmonitor' not found, but can be installed with:
<f476> o0
<f476> hm look like after update armbian-bsp-cli-orangepioneplus and linux-buster-root-current-orangepioneplus removed
<f476> on apt search on bsp-cli normal found, but on linux-buster-root-current-orangepioneplus/buster,buster 21.05.1 all [residual-config]
<f476> residual-config?
<ArmbianTwitter> @slpnix (Sergio López): @_msw_ @jonmasters @bitcrazed @armbian @awakecoding @BRIAN_____ @SteveSyfuhs Seems unlikely. The PC gaming market is huge, and with the current generation of consoles also being based on x86, the various actors have little incentive to push for a change. https://tinyurl.com/yzpxu4q5 (16s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @lanefu (Lane Jennison): @w8emv Btrfs is a little friendly than ext4 on sdcard. Obvious etc is a little more critical than logs, but this might be a source of inspiration https://t.co/0KYC1an3W2 https://tinyurl.com/ygovars4 (23s ago)
<IgorPec> f476: strange that both would be removed
<IgorPec> apt install armbian-bsp-cli-orangepioneplus
<IgorPec> should solve the problem
<f476> now im installed bsp-cli and reboot
<f476> need now install linux-buster-root-current-orangepioneplus?
<IgorPec> linux-buster-root* is deprecated, we replace that with armbian-bsp
<f476> oh
<f476> thx for info
<IgorPec> but this should be changed automatically
<IgorPec> that's strange. it was preapred and tested for upgrade on many boards
<IgorPec> anyway, solved
<f476> welcome message back and armbian-config in this option all ok. big thx!
<IgorPec> u welcome
<ArmbianTwitter> @awakecoding (Marc-André Moreau): @slpnix @_msw_ @jonmasters @bitcrazed @armbian @BRIAN_____ @SteveSyfuhs More or less, maybe the *mobile* gaming industry can help in that regard, because all those games are already running on ARM processors. As more consumer hardware transitions to ARM the traditional "PC gamer" won't be running Intel anymore https://tinyurl.com/yzjw3vzj (10s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @awakecoding (Marc-André Moreau): @slpnix @_msw_ @jonmasters @bitcrazed @armbian @BRIAN_____ @SteveSyfuhs Another trend that could help transition away from x86 for PC gaming are the various game streaming platforms: I could easily see those become popular on lightweight ARM-based PCs that aren't powerful enough to run the full game locally. https://tinyurl.com/yzrgfcd7 (28s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @slpnix (Sergio López): @awakecoding @_msw_ @jonmasters @bitcrazed @armbian @BRIAN_____ @SteveSyfuhs While related, the mobile gaming market is independent (and quite different) from the console and PC gaming. It's like Cinema vs. Television. https://tinyurl.com/yhqpfefs (1s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @awakecoding (Marc-André Moreau): @slpnix @_msw_ @jonmasters @bitcrazed @armbian @BRIAN_____ @SteveSyfuhs Totally agree, but I bet we'll see a lot of mobile games get a "native" PC port in the same way we see PC games adapted and ported to consoles as a way to expand the potential market and reach a wider audience of gamers https://tinyurl.com/yzzjghwk (27s ago)
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<Tonymac32> hello xalius
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<ArmbianTwitter> @SteveSyfuhs (Steve Syfuhs): @awakecoding @slpnix @_msw_ @jonmasters @bitcrazed @armbian @BRIAN_____ I'm not so sure of that. I'd see it going to browser first before swinging through arm. I'm not sure there's enough incentive otherwise. https://tinyurl.com/yeksxs5d (20s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @awakecoding (Marc-André Moreau): @SteveSyfuhs @slpnix @_msw_ @jonmasters @bitcrazed @armbian @BRIAN_____ Think about it: if browsers were truly the way to go, nobody would truly bother with the AppStore 30% fee and just ship their games directly to their customers on iOS. A native look and feel will always prevail, WoA has a decent chance of offering a better alternative https://tinyurl.com/yezejceh (8s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @SteveSyfuhs (Steve Syfuhs): @awakecoding @slpnix @_msw_ @jonmasters @bitcrazed @armbian @BRIAN_____ Sure, but browser on PC-level is sufficiently powerful that the benefits could outweigh direct porting. https://tinyurl.com/yj8y7sqj (28s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @bitcrazed (Rich Turner 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿): @slpnix @_msw_ @jonmasters @armbian @awakecoding @BRIAN_____ @SteveSyfuhs Much as I love ARM, x64 also has some strong benefits inc. instruction density, ecosystem, tooling, and significant lead in desktop, server, and cloud infrastructure. x64 will be around for many decades yet. https://tinyurl.com/yzzk37oz (15s ago)
<[TheBug]> The argument shouldn't be whether it will be around but about how much of the product segment it retains in the server industry. As ARM servers with large amount of cores become cheaper, stable and more powerful, it will start to push out the x86 in that segment I expect.
<[TheBug]> by cheaper I also mean using less power.
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<ArmbianTwitter> @jonmasters (Jon Masters 🏴‍☠️): @bitcrazed @slpnix @_msw_ @armbian @awakecoding @BRIAN_____ @SteveSyfuhs That’s the thing with a prediction…I could be wrong. I think the power of the Arm partnership will drive great competition in either case. That’s what I want more than anything else - lots of players with different compatible designs all competing for business 😀 https://tinyurl.com/yzz2vets (17s ago)