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<Fat-Zer>
hello there, I'm trying to get 2d/3d graphics acceleration (via glES I assume) on the Orange Pi 3 board (allwinner h6/mali t720/arm64), there should I start?
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<Fat-Zer>
ok, as far as I understand, as for now, there is an opensource driver called panfrost
<Fat-Zer>
It's already merge to both upstreams: kernel and mesa.
<Fat-Zer>
But unfortunately, armbian uses ancient buster's mesa-18.3.
<Werner>
mesa is upstream package, not Armbian's own
<Fat-Zer>
so, what would be the easiest way to upgrade mesa? I assume just merging the package from bullseye won't go well, isn't it?
<Werner>
I never tried. I usually built mesa from sources
<crabbedhaloablut>
https://fosshost.org/news/freenode <-- Armbian logo on Fosshost's front page, now in company with "Freenode strategic partnership"
<IgorPec>
crabbedhaloablut: and what we can do about??
<crabbedhaloablut>
talk to them
<IgorPec>
i don't understand why should we care about what others do? Its their choice
<crabbedhaloablut>
True. "I don't care" is a valid response.
<IgorPec>
not exactly i don't. I should not, because its beyond our reach
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<crabbedhaloablut>
talking is hardly out of reach for any of us.
<IgorPec>
my primary business is talking and I am 1-2 months behind with far more important things
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<IgorPec>
we can't and should not jump up on things like this. in any case, we have our own infrastructure strong enough to survive.
<IgorPec>
but i have to say all this mess is strange ...
<Werner>
Indeed
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<lanefu>
I am finding out the proper way to provide some feedback to them regarding that, but yeah weary of any activism or taking a position.. before it turns into 6 degrees of Freenode
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<stipa>
there's nothing FOSS about freenode now
<Xogium>
stipa: most definitely not
<stipa>
TRS-80 and i spoke about that, just a bunch of cunts sunig foss popularity
<Xogium>
stipa: not just that, they also make it possible to discreminate and have adult content on non topical channels now
<stipa>
wow
<nekomancer[m]>
anybody knows what for armbian build system support `REPOSITORY_UPDATE` parameter? how can I test it? (I want to replace aptly version to ubuntu repo)
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<IgorPec>
nekomancer[m]: is apltly maintained by ubuntu?
<nekomancer[m]>
aptly available in ubuntu repo. but `Version: 1.3.0+ds1-4`. in universe/utils
<nekomancer[m]>
last version from maintainer repo (not available for arm64) — 1.4
<nekomancer[m]>
I don't know is it critical. Or, maybe, aptly not used at all — because seems it used with option not noted in doc
<nekomancer[m]>
and I have no idea how to test that
<nekomancer[m]>
I can remove apt from arm64 branch at all. or just switch both x64 and arm, or just arm64 to ubuntu variant. or try to build it compilind time.
<nekomancer[m]>
IgorPec: it's strategic question. Question to you, lord.
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<buZz>
lol, fosshost just got bought by rasengan
<buZz>
armbian is featured on its homepage :P
<Tenkawa>
buZz: some very iffy things on there
<Tenkawa>
they are saying they support Debian?
<Tenkawa>
ummm no
<Tenkawa>
thats OFTC
<buZz>
they also provide non irc services perhaps
<Tenkawa>
not according to anything I could find
<Tenkawa>
other than one page that referenced them in the same sentence as Libera irc
<Tenkawa>
lol
<buZz>
lol
<buZz>
well, hilarious
<Tenkawa>
yeah there's a lot of iffy things going on all around
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<stipa>
they're just redirecting people that have interest in big foss brands to their ervice by saying they support them
<stipa>
they're staling hard work
<stipa>
they didin't need to work hard to achieve popularity and trust, they just steal it
<stipa>
i doubt Armbian suports that, if it does than i'm wrong
<lanefu>
I'll just say that we're closely monitoring the situation
<Xogium>
what's been going on, lee claiming armbian is all the way with freenode or some stuff like that ?
<lanefu>
nono. its' 6 degrees of kevin bacon, but now if you work with someone who works with someone who works with freenode then you're potentially an asshole
<stipa>
man, i'll ditch Armbian and buy Rpi...
<Tenkawa>
lanefu: well you see they put Debian on there too right?
<Tenkawa>
and we know
<Tenkawa>
Debian is very closey tied to OFTC
<Tenkawa>
er cosely
<Tenkawa>
wow my typing is pff
<Tenkawa>
ha
<buZz>
lanefu: thanks
<buZz>
also for confirmation there's no association
<IgorPec>
we learned about this few hour ago and i had few hours of sleep in between. so please, can we at least have time to understand what is going on ... before making any moves?
<stipa>
if Armbian ditches it'll just have bunch of rich cunts to worry about
<buZz>
ditches what, though?
<stipa>
ditches to comply with what's going on
<buZz>
IgorPec: no problem, take your time, i just learned about it aswell
<[TheBug]>
Talk about a group being out of touch with their customer base..
<[TheBug]>
thats what I see from Fosshosts announcements and decisions
<[TheBug]>
someone just saw $$ and left out all the morals and ethics
<stipa>
as usual
<buZz>
19:10:09 < bremner> dunno then. I know that they have offered services to debian contributors for a while
<buZz>
from #debian (about fosshost)
<buZz>
fosshost incorporated in april this year
<Unit193>
Tenkawa, buZz: Some random DD uses it to host https://fabre.debian.net/, that's it. So it's not entirely inaccurate, but...
<buZz>
ah! debian.org has been using fosshost -vps services- since 2020-07-13 19:15:51
<buZz>
thats before the incorporation
<Unit193>
.org surely not.
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<buZz>
eh, well, the organisation
<lanefu>
TLDR; if we need to disassociate we will.. just want some breathing room.. We're not funding fosshost. We're just using some free services frmo them (and barely at this tpoint. I mean it's awkward because A. i'm really excited about their aarch64.com project... and B. like they were nice enough to help us for mirrors when we asked for help over a year ago... Anybody else wanna provide us
<lanefu>
access to Ampere eMag servers for free?
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<[TheBug]>
lanefu: I thinks the word you are looking for is 'disingenuous', they don't seem to be openly communicating with the people they support about their decisions at all, which makes it even more awkward than it needs to be
<[TheBug]>
They have to know people are leaving Freenode so their decision to support them is directly in the face of a lot of their constituents and what they would want, thats the more strange part about it.
<Tenkawa>
Unit193: but this quote on debian's page is what's going to cause problems:
<Tenkawa>
that's going to cause major issues with the current "state of things"
<[TheBug]>
cause again, this move is about money and it probably only just happened so they haven't moved back yet, lol
<Tenkawa>
if it's advertised
<Tenkawa>
that's why I don't think it was intended to be put on that FOSS page
<Tenkawa>
but thats just an outsider view
<Unit193>
Tenkawa: I'm just answering how Debian ended up on the page, is all. I can answer that for 3 projects.
<buZz>
but armbian? how did that happen?
<[TheBug]>
what do you mean?
<buZz>
armbian is featured on fosshost webpages as 'supported project'
<[TheBug]>
buZz ^
<[TheBug]>
yeah and fosshost has been supporting Armbian for a while
<buZz>
oh
<[TheBug]>
read what lanefu said above
<buZz>
i'm reading lanefu's now
<[TheBug]>
thats the problem is it is a conflict of interest
<[TheBug]>
basically they are one of the few willing to provide us bare metal ARM
<[TheBug]>
and have also provided Armbian mirror
<[TheBug]>
so its hard to look at that and just immediately cut ties to them
<[TheBug]>
but this sure makes it a lot more difficult on us than it needed to be
<[TheBug]>
put us in a weird situation where you have to pick sides
<Unit193>
May I make a suggestion?
<Xogium>
hey I'd providee bare metal, if I could… Just don't have any good connection, or even good arm boards :(
<[TheBug]>
and no matter which is chosen, someone will not be happy
* Tenkawa
just needs to buy a Honeycomb LX and be done with it lol
<buZz>
would be nicest if fosshost just confirms zero operational control from or support to korean royalty from arizona
<Werner>
Unit193, shoot
<buZz>
or just sends the 100k usd back
<[TheBug]>
suggest away.. we are for sure open to hearing your thoughts, I just can't promise you it will effect the decision that is made
<buZz>
is the arm server from fosshost hosted in their network?
<buZz>
or are they renting it elsewhere for you?
<Werner>
Its part of their aarch64 project
<buZz>
but, in their own infrastructure?
<Unit193>
Some people are concerned with Fosshost being associated with Lee due to user data, on your credits page if you put "Thanks to fosshost for sponsoring CI runners and download mirror" or whatnot it'd be clear that it's not holding user data, without trying to "take sides" so much.
<buZz>
the real question is under what term lee's donation happened
<Xogium>
yeah, cool, with lee twisting words around so it makes a pretty picture
<Xogium>
not
<[TheBug]>
It should just read "FOSSHOST was going to go broek without a money infusion and Andrew Lee was willing to fund us, so all praise Andrew Lee!"
<[TheBug]>
s/broek/broke
<ArmbianHelper>
[TheBug] meant to say: It should just read "FOSSHOST was going to go broke without a money infusion and Andrew Lee was willing to fund us, so all praise Andrew Lee!"
<[TheBug]>
thats really the bottom line, nothing else was likely even a consideration in their decision.
<lanefu>
so the money is decoupled form the services.. so in theory they can drop him if violates their ToS
<lanefu>
and keep the donation lol
<buZz>
there's a guy in ##freenode from fosshost explaining it a bit
<buZz>
but he's not really making sense
<buZz>
they are not sponsoring you with a arm server
<buZz>
they were donated arm servers and only sponsor you with hosting of it
<buZz>
:P
<lanefu>
hurts my brain
<lanefu>
we're the first tenant in prod
<lanefu>
just using it for CI testing
<buZz>
hmhm yeah its really horrible, all this drama wasted a ton of braintime
<Werner>
We certainly need those cluster boards to loadbalance lanefu's brain time :P
<buZz>
:D
<lanefu>
man my whole fucking dayh has been meetings and then catching up on this.. and i have to go the dentist in a few.. all brain time wasted
<lanefu>
Werner: I had to order a new power supply for that clusterserver... need North 'Merican 110v
<[TheBug]>
hmm
<[TheBug]>
wouldn't it have worked on a 240v line
<[TheBug]>
or was it actually only 220v
<lanefu>
220v 50hz
<[TheBug]>
ahh
<[TheBug]>
so couldn't even hack it cause would be at 50hz
<lanefu>
yeah
<lanefu>
PS will be here on thursday
<Tenkawa>
lanefu: you should see the electrical I have in this house
<Tenkawa>
110, 220, and 440 circuits
<Tenkawa>
lol
<[TheBug]>
440?
<Tenkawa>
yep
<[TheBug]>
wtf you doing in your basement
<[TheBug]>
trying to bring Franekenstein to life?
<Tenkawa>
[TheBug]: it was owned by an industrial complex owner down the road formerly
<[TheBug]>
makes more sense, most don't install three-phasae in their home
<[TheBug]>
lol
<Tenkawa>
yep
<[TheBug]>
I mean unless you have something like a car lift
<[TheBug]>
or something that needs some real muscle
<Tenkawa>
I grew up in a hvac and electrical family though so I put it to use :)
<[TheBug]>
hehe
<[TheBug]>
nice
<[TheBug]>
yeah was gonna say last place I really worked with three-phase on a normal basis was when I worked at a body shop as foreman for a few years, there is a lot of the equipment used there that is three-phase
<Tenkawa>
just had to replace a whole panel though 2 weeks ago
<Tenkawa>
50 year old panel finally was giving out
<Tenkawa>
this house is a little over 100 years old
<lanefu>
:P
<Tenkawa>
[TheBug]: there's a 20A 110 circuit dedicated to one room just for my "server room" heheh
<lanefu>
man i now have power daisy chained frmo house -> garage -> shed -> wife's art shed
<[TheBug]>
hehehe, I have the same to this room I am in :D
<Tenkawa>
lanefu: the garage has its own circuits ...
<lanefu>
yeah my rack has dedicated circuit
<Tenkawa>
*ducks*
<[TheBug]>
only 3 servers, 5 SBCs, 4 monitors and my sound system
<[TheBug]>
lol
<lanefu>
yeah i have 60 AMps in garage.. then 30 amp to shed, then 30 amp to shed
<[TheBug]>
I am pretty much at my limit in this room, I had to move a server to the garage lol
<Tenkawa>
yeah.. I think I'm going to look at build a "real" server soon to go with my 8 fulltime 24/7 SBC's
<Tenkawa>
(note I have 20 or so non-running sbc's atm)
<Tenkawa>
just no use for them
<[TheBug]>
lol
<[TheBug]>
don't get me started on what I don't have running
<[TheBug]>
lol
<[TheBug]>
I have like all H3 boxes
<[TheBug]>
A20's, A10's some RPis
<Tenkawa>
yeah...I hear ya
<[TheBug]>
etc lol
<Tenkawa>
I need the "one machine to rule them all"
<Tenkawa>
lol
<[TheBug]>
then get RockPi 4c or NanoPi T4
<Tenkawa>
nowhere near enough power for me
<[TheBug]>
:D thats my suggestion
<[TheBug]>
RockPi 4c is such a sexy board
<[TheBug]>
you don't know
<Tenkawa>
I'm talking Honeycomb LX class or higher power
<[TheBug]>
haha
<[TheBug]>
what you need to do with it?
<Tenkawa>
I do a lot of build/design work
<Tenkawa>
I need major io and cpu
<[TheBug]>
I have RockPi 4c running 6-8 drive raid arrays, have one as a desktop
<Tenkawa>
dont need a lot of space though
<[TheBug]>
well thats not gonna be an SBC your describing lol
<Tenkawa>
yes it is
<[TheBug]>
your describing a real ARM workstation
<Tenkawa>
cpu's..
<Tenkawa>
and threads
<Tenkawa>
and direct memory access without translation overhead
<Tenkawa>
right nowi I use a 12 core machine to do it and it does it great but its x86
<[TheBug]>
yeah again I don't know any SBC that will fulfill that alone
<[TheBug]>
like maybe a cluster of SBCs
<Xogium>
Tenkawa: honeycomb is not a sbc it is a workstation
<[TheBug]>
like lanefu has going
<Tenkawa>
Xogium: I didnt say it was
<Xogium>
oh my bad I misread, sorry lol carry on
<Tenkawa>
neither is my build server/workstation
<Tenkawa>
right now I have this machine building 3000 driver arm kernels in under 4 minutes
<Tenkawa>
I'd like to build something a bit faster
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<lanefu>
Honeycomb is a router with too many CPUs
<lanefu>
But yeah ill say an interesting device came in the mail yesterday
* [TheBug]
thats what she said
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<Tenkawa>
personally what "I" want to see however its going to be a hole id the BeagleV
<Tenkawa>
er while is
<Tenkawa>
s/hole id/while is/
<ArmbianHelper>
Tenkawa meant to say: personally what "I" want to see however its going to be a while is the BeagleV
<Tenkawa>
omg it responds to seds?
<Tenkawa>
haahaa
<Tenkawa>
nice
<Tenkawa>
havent seen that plugin
<Tenkawa>
then again not sure what bot core this one is
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<Fat-Zer>
hi again, I'm setting up an Orange Pi 3 board (allwinner h6/mali t720/arm64), what should I look for to add hardware video decoding?
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<Fat-Zer>
libva-v4l2-request from sunxi-cedrus looks unmainainde for a while (last commit ~2years ago)...
<Fat-Zer>
I couldn't find any info if the project stalled or were merged to some upstream...