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<archetyp`> Rock Pi 4 B ordered, it should replace the Raspberry Pi 4 B as a desktop replacement.
<archetyp`> Next month, a first-generation Asus Thinkerboard will be ordered for my second-generation RasPad.
<archetyp`> Just want to say hello for a moment. :-)
<archetyp`> Möchte nur kurz hallo sagen. ;-)
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> Hello!
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<archetyp> Oops, my Fritz!Box lost the connection, again.
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<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> noicee
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<stipa> i'm thinking of ditching Armbian :/
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 'k
<stipa> SBC manufacturers just suck
<stipa> i know it's not Armbians fault but i can't rely on building something reliable with that SBC stuff
<stipa> and as i managed to notice it's all over the place, not just with my board that runs H6
<stipa> too much bugs in silicon
<stipa> that silicon manufacturers try to blame on kernel devs
<stipa> and it goes round and round
<stipa> there's not much that can be done if the chip is bogus on physical level
<stipa> probably the peripherals are crap too
<stipa> i've never saw a chip designer trying to help
<stipa> i na year of beeing here
<stipa> if you've screwed the chip at least you could fix your mess in software...
<Xogium> well look at the pi 4, for a time they fscked up DMA at the hardware level which resulted in not being able to use more than 4 gb of ram
<Xogium> they came up with a software fix, but *only* for their own kernel
<stipa> yeah, software devs have no clue what's going on, it should be in datasheet or in clean open code
<stipa> but it seems like the code is bogus too that manufacturers provide
<stipa> so it must be that silicon is faulty
<Xogium> hm
<Xogium> on which board is that ? I didn't quite see
<stipa> well, you know that the images that board producers give on their websites rarely work
<Xogium> ah, yes. Definitely
<stipa> and something like Armbian is soultion for that because they fix some things
<Xogium> I never quite figured why they bother if it is to produce a broken image
<stipa> Xogium: seems like it's the best they can offer
<stipa> the most functional version of what they sell
<stipa> board and crappy image that can't boot
<stipa> everything after that is hacking
<Xogium> yeah, but why bother
<stipa> because there's soem info devs can use that can't be found in datasheets, it's in the code
<Xogium> if all you can do is a broken image, better have no image
<stipa> well, they have to offer something and dissapear
<stipa> if there is image people think it works
<stipa> if you tell them buy board without image, hmm, that won't really work
<Xogium> that's crappy
<stipa> very
<Xogium> I toyed with the seeed stm32mp157c odyssey board, and I was actually pleasantly surprised to discover their debian image actually works very good, and doesn't appear broken
<stipa> that's a great start for something like Armbian and such
<stipa> that's just saying that manufacturing went well
<stipa> and that there's not much scam involved
<Xogium> there better not be, with the price of 50.54 euros
<Xogium> ;)
<stipa> yeah, try to push it
<Xogium> the only bad thing that happened so far with it was the proprietary boradcom wifi blob crashing the chip. But I replaced that with the linux-fimware package
<Xogium> *broadcom
<Xogium> only seems to happen on very large downloads
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<parabyte> so um what xorg driver do i use for s905x soc
<parabyte> i want bare minimum to run kodi
<stipa> i'm not sure but kodi is standalone os
<Xogium> not always
<Xogium> there's also a kodi app
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Kodi is not, a couple purpose-built distros that only run Kodi exist
<parabyte> yeah i know about libreelec
<parabyte> i wanted to learn something and run kodi on armbian
<Xogium> well, I know we can run kodi on archlinux-arm
<parabyte> i tried kodi-standalone
<parabyte> can anyone here recommend documentation i need to read to understand?!
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Kodi runs on Armbian with JMCC's media scripts for Rockchip, I don't know about the Amlogic boards
<stipa> probably github
<parabyte> i assumed i was required to run a x session and run kodi on that?
<parabyte> im sure ill figure it out
<parabyte> otherwise im having a really good time. extracted dtb from original android firmware and applied to armbian, installed onto emmc with dd
<parabyte> all was rather painless really
<stipa> fancy man
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> A TV box?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Which kernel?
<parabyte> Armbian-Discord, what kernel am i running now?
<parabyte> or was i running?
<parabyte> i never checked its original firmware
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> No, which one with Armbian. The Android device trees are... Interesting
<parabyte> apart from boot into android 6 briefly just to see what it was like out of curiosity
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 🙂
<parabyte> hang on let me look to what i installed!
<parabyte> i have a few different box's here, as a side business, i convert the occasional box into a multi purpose linux box and sell them on ebay
<parabyte> only rarely
<parabyte> tonymac32 Armbian 21.05.6 Buster Linux 5.10.43-meson64
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> If I can ever escape Rockchip64 Hell, I am/was the primary Amlogic guy at Armbian, although Balbes now contributes directly and I think he is better. ;-)
<parabyte> haha in a few words what would you do to get kodi working on that box? i know i need to read the documentation on this kodi subject abit more
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I would make sure the device tree is actually working, Android has their own bindings for almost anything graphics related
<parabyte> im assuming libreelec guys/girls do it with xorg
<parabyte> oh crap i see what your saying now
<parabyte> yeah i did get a few warnings come to think about it when i converted to dtb file to dts
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> So compare it to the Le Potato device tree as a starting point, that is an S905X board we support
<parabyte> well the file iv used it kinda working cause ethernet is up and running
<parabyte> but i see your point now
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Most of the generic devices will work, but the graphics stack is special. USB is hit or miss too, even kernel to kernel on linux
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Vim1, one of the wetek boxes as well can be good reference points
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> If you go to the forums and search in the Amlogic subforum you might find something recent, otherwise a new topic asking about Kodi specifically on that SoC should get some replies
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Media is not my specialty unfortunately
<parabyte> usb is working fine
<parabyte> i will take a good hard look at it later, compare it again what armbian dev's have done
<stipa> i've noticed that linux doesn't like usb hubs
<parabyte> haha sure enough tonymac32 the errors in dmesg are concerning the lima soc graphics driver yes thanks for giving me the correct nudge on what i need to look at tonymac32
<parabyte> stipa, i do not have issues with any usb hubs
<parabyte> iv used all sorts of random usb hubs on linux desktops
<parabyte> across many different platforms
<stipa> i'm unlucky gal
<stipa> idea of splitting traffic of one USB3 port with USB3 hub isn't something i have had luck with
<stipa> it looks fine but when pushed it dies
<stipa> i'm curious how usb C hubs work
<stipa> ha ha
<parabyte> ah usb3 hubs do not convert to usb2
<parabyte> most dont anyway from my understanding
<parabyte> they have like 2 hubs in 1
<parabyte> 1 hub for usb2 traffic and another hub for 3
<parabyte> on the elcheapo ones anyway
<stipa> i have an external one
<parabyte> both hubs in the same IC
<stipa> not like a chip that is connected to pci lane
<parabyte> yeah im on about the hub controller inside the external usb hub
<parabyte> um maybe its a power issue stipa
<parabyte> maybe you are exceeding your boards power output
<stipa> damn you, maybe it is
<stipa> i'll connect nuclear power plant just to be sure
<parabyte> i have like 7 dvb receivers plugged into 1 hub
<parabyte> but i have cut the power lines and i use a big honking 20amp 5v psu
<parabyte> bit overkill but its what i had on hand
<parabyte> i do not use any of the systems 5v rails for powering my receivers
<stipa> you mean of the power that powers the sbc?
<stipa> you're powering just receivers with that additional PSU?
<stipa> parabyte: what chip is in your external usb hub?
<parabyte> stipa, um
<parabyte> i dont know
<parabyte> its just a usb2 hub i got out of my local super market
<parabyte> while doing food shopping!
<stipa> parabyte: lsusb|grep Hub
<parabyte> haha id love to stipa but i am not at home hence why i dont know
<stipa> ha
<stipa> if i plug usb3 hub into usb2 port many crap goes away
<parabyte> tonymac32, before we part ways, i just wish to thank you for pointing out to me the mistake i have made
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Haha you're welcome. I wouldn't call it a mistake, it is certainly a good starting point
<parabyte> tonymac32, the android dts derived file is a mess. its not as clean and tidy like the supplied ones with armbian. and as you mentioned all the names are different!
<Xogium> it could be also because you converted it from the dtb file
<Xogium> in my experience dtc converts them quite badly
<Xogium> at least, part of the mess could be due to that
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<syntaxman> I'm just now looking at getting a NAS/Server that I would like to run at work. I'd like to run a SAMBA/PDC and a http/DB/Python stack on it too. It's a small office, low-load. Is a Helios64 up to that? Anyone have any other suggestions?
<Werner> Should do it
<syntaxman> Excellent. Thank you, Werner
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<[TheBug]> RockPi 4c with Penta Hat
<IgorPec> or nanopim4 with sata hat
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Functionally equivalent, but you don't get a case
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> And power delivery is... Well up to you
<IgorPec> true
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> grumble
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