<Maja>
<heat_> having a point is lame, try not having a point </heat_> I think they call it "point-free programming"
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<heat>
TIL hexchat is unmaintained
<heat>
i dont want to switch irc clients :(
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<Ermine>
imo hexchat works as shite for quite some time
<Ermine>
It renders super slow on my machines in windows, and it doesn't support hidpi
<Ermine>
So I'm using weechat now
<heat>
hexchat has always worked fine here and i'm so used to it i'll struggle to eventually switch
<Ermine>
on linux i guess?
<netbsduser`>
someone will pick it up again i'm sure
<netbsduser`>
it's an IRC client in any case
<netbsduser`>
the less grubby fingers on it making a mess of it the better
<heat>
until someone gets an RCE on hexchat
<heat>
repo was even archived so we'll have a funky fork of it
<netbsduser`>
it seems we have to face the facts
<netbsduser`>
irc is dying
<heat>
that's news?
<heat>
it was dead before i started lol
<netbsduser`>
this whole libera forking from freenode thing that happened recently made it very clear
<Ermine>
Sometimes discussions here are HEATed enough to consider irc alive
<netbsduser`>
libera enjoys around 30,000 users online at any given time while immediately before the fork, freenode had about 90,000
<netbsduser`>
it's not that 60,000 users were so disgusted by the fork that they just quit, although forking is always a good way to undermine confidence
<Ermine>
hexchat is gtk2, isn't it?
<netbsduser`>
it's that by doing the fork the inertia that kept 60,000 people on IRC was rudely stopped, and they defected to discord
<netbsduser`>
some of them supposedly defected to the matrix chat but i don't think anyone actually seriously uses that - i tried one of their unix channels - despite the ops and mods best efforts, the place was completely uncivilised, relentlessly attacked by pornography bots and scam bots
<Ermine>
still, KDE, Gnome, Fedora, pmOS are using it
<Ermine>
It would be cool if discord devs took the effort to support wayland, but that's a dream
<heat>
libera had around 50K after the schism
<heat>
discord devs can't even support proper screensharing
<netbsduser`>
it would be cooler yet if discord didn't make using anything other than their official client a permabannable offence
<Ermine>
works on windows
<netbsduser`>
a client so restricted that you cannot even adjust the size of e.g. the channel listing or user listing pane
<heat>
it does not work on windows, i had/have a major problem with video hardware encoding where it shit itself on intel GPUs
<heat>
reported it, gave them a bunch of data, they did... NOTHING
<Ermine>
oh, geez
<heat>
something something not a priority
<Ermine>
I've managed to stream my screen on a several occasions
<Ermine>
but this is amd or nvidia
<Ermine>
but I get your point
<heat>
the beauty of closed source - it works as long as they test it
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<heat>
not on the product roadmap? don't care don't ask
<Ermine>
well, testing is essential in any development model?
<heat>
it is, but since they don't test on my hardware, and won't fix the problem themselves, and i can't fix it myself...
<heat>
s/don't/won't/
<bslsk05>
<heat*> it is, but since they won't test on my hardware, and won't fix the problem themselves, and i can't fix it myself...
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<Ermine>
btw kunit is on drm's todo list
<heat>
that sounds awful for drm
<zid`>
kunit is my favourite rap group
<Ermine>
that said, i915 has it integrated apparently
<heat>
doing mocking in kunit is still absolutely terrible
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<the_oz>
libera forking from freenode isn't proof that irc is dying, it's that committee is full of retarded people
<the_oz>
and retarded people are eternal
<the_oz>
discord got political and lied about it, a bad thing to do for a platform
<heat>
cool story bro
<the_oz>
"they were only dangerous nazis that we banned" <- this is the lie
<Ermine>
hard to say without context
<the_oz>
take it for what you will, at some point the canary croaks
<Ermine>
Also, any platform has right to stop servicing you at any moment
<the_oz>
AAssuredly. I never said to the otherwise. Merely that they are liars.
<the_oz>
It is a bad thing to do as a platform because the obvious problems that come with acting on bad information or worse maliciously being false
<the_oz>
That you can be a shit legally is not the issue
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<Ermine>
uh oh, I guess it's merge window now
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<netbsduser`>
the_oz: the proof is not the fork but that 2/3rds of users of freenode didn't bother to migrate
<the_oz>
cede the high ground and cede the bots/ignorami too
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<the_oz>
it's almost like trading off the name was a bad idea in the first place and maybe the committee in charge of ownership of the namespace should be as powerless an entity as possible in order to insulate against this behavior as possible
<the_oz>
such as not a committee
<the_oz>
by the time you need to make arguments "no they didn't buy the thing but instead was a facsimile" you've already lost because you risked the legal confusion partially as a committee
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<Ermine>
I think I can make an ez kernel patchen
<nikolar>
what for
<Ermine>
smol cleanup
<nikolar>
smol
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<Ermine>
Kernel shouldn't require kernel headers to be instaled, should it?
<mjg_>
?
<mjg_>
for build?
<Ermine>
yes
<Ermine>
complains about missing <asm/types.h>, when I install kernel headers from the package manager, it stops complaining
<Ermine>
looks wrong to me
<mjg_>
you are probably missing some packagen
<mjg_>
and some pre-build shit fails to build
<mjg_>
there is a list somewhere
<mjg_>
well distro dependent
<Ermine>
or is it some certified musl moment
<mjg_>
:d
<mjg_>
get a real distro like ubuntu or debian mon