<sewn>
just leave nothing behind and go naked, boom
<midfavila>
when it can reach -50c in the winter nothx
<sewn>
wth are you in antarctica
<midfavila>
no but an arctic storm did just pass through the other week
<midfavila>
so
<midfavila>
also kind of yes in a way
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<sad_plan>
midfavila: do you even get this bs with sbase cp? cp: /tmp/1750/extract/fontconfig/etc/fonts/conf.d/10-hinting-slight.conf -> /etc/fonts/conf.d/./10-hinting-slight.conf: same file
<midfavila>
are you using my configuration package?
<midfavila>
if so then yes
<midfavila>
i should probably look at it at some point but i barely use scalable fonts any more
<midfavila>
so it's like
<midfavila>
eh
<sad_plan>
no, im just using sbase. ive had this issue for some time. removing fontconfig first, will work
<sad_plan>
same here: cp: /tmp/11946/extract/baselayout/etc/mtab -> /etc/./mtab: same file
<sad_plan>
what configure package are you refering to btw? I got curious
<midfavila>
oh i have a repo on my gitea to store some of my configs and i install them using kiss
<midfavila>
or at least i used to
<midfavila>
maybe i got rid of it idk
<midfavila>
i haven't really played with kiss since my laptop broke
<midfavila>
don't have much energy as of late
<sad_plan>
I see. what are you using now instead?
<midfavila>
i'm still using kiss
<midfavila>
i'm just not working on my distro
<sad_plan>
ah, just not messed with it. gotchu
<midfavila>
ye
<midfavila>
the next time i install kiss it'll be my own hard fork, and it'll break compat with basically everything i use atm
<midfavila>
so before i do that i need to write software for most of my daily needs
<midfavila>
and that requires more time and energy than i have rn
<sad_plan>
I bet. still going to use tcc and bearssl?
<midfavila>
indeed
<sad_plan>
cool
<sad_plan>
im considering trying out bearssl too, but Im abit torn as to why I even should. would probably end up installing libressl anyway due to some packages..
<sad_plan>
so I probably wont :p
<midfavila>
tcc/{s, u}base/netbsd-curses/libz/tinyalsa/bearssl+libtls/tinyx+xaw etc will comprise the core as i'm sure i've mentioned endless times in the past
<midfavila>
and if you don't have a reason to use bearssl, use libre/open
<midfavila>
bearssl is good if you want a very, very small and very, very simple tls implementation
<midfavila>
it's not good if you want to use preexisting software
<sad_plan>
might I add checking out sndio? instead of alsa. should be able to use tinyalsa + sndio.
<midfavila>
why would i use tinyalsa+sndio instead of tinyalsa
<sad_plan>
sure. I like minimal software, but to some extent
<midfavila>
sell me on it
<sad_plan>
sndio is smaller than alsa
<midfavila>
sure but i still need alsa utils and stuff
<midfavila>
at least while i continue to use linux
<midfavila>
or is sndio standalone?
<midfavila>
i know obsd can use it directly
<sad_plan>
sndio is standalone
<sad_plan>
both mpv and ffmpeg supports it
<midfavila>
don't care too much about existing software supporting it
<midfavila>
care more about the overall complexity of the tech stack
<midfavila>
sndio+tinyalsa from my perspective wouldn't offer much in exchange for the increased complexity
<midfavila>
maybe i'll look into it when i start writing a music player
<sad_plan>
iirc, sndio is less complex. but I might be wrong here
<midfavila>
sure but
<midfavila>
i still need alsa sitting on the disk to take advantage of it under linux
<midfavila>
so it's a non-starter
<sad_plan>
why? do you use packages that strictly use alsa-lib?
<midfavila>
i intend to write software that uses it, so
<midfavila>
idk like i said i'll probably look into sndio in the future because i don't have much information to go off of rn
<midfavila>
but just looking at it like i would normally, it doesn't seem like adding it to the mix rn would get me anything
<sad_plan>
the idea was initially to just use something else than alsa-lib+tinyalsa. for me anyway
<sad_plan>
Ive used it in the past, but now I cant for the life of me get it to work. im not sure why
<sad_plan>
but back to what I initially was curious about; you havent had the issue I mentioned with sbase cp?
<midfavila>
not that i can recall, but then i don't make a habit of installing fontconfig and friends
<midfavila>
neither xaw nor motif need them
<sad_plan>
hm, baselayout?
* midfavila
shrugs
<sad_plan>
hm.. strange
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<shokara_>
sndio might be standalone on openbsd, but as I understand it, doesn't it just sit on top of alsa in linux?
<midfavila>
^my concern
<shokara_>
the only benefit I see with this is having per-program sound control without needing something more complex like pulseaudio/pipewire or jack1/2
<shokara_>
but personally, the only time I ever used per-program sound control was when I had online classes and I had music playing in the background
<midfavila>
yeah it's a meme
<midfavila>
even then a lot of programs that play back audio have inbuilt volume control
<shokara_>
and I have a physical volume knob that I use instead on my amp
<shokara_>
much more convenient
<midfavila>
like obviously it would be nice if the sound subsystem of the kernel managed that instead of individual programs duplicating functionality, but while in rome...
<shokara_>
ackhsuallyra, oss had that but it got deprecated
<shokara_>
and removed in recent kernels iirc
<midfavila>
yeah in 1993 lmao
<midfavila>
or thereabouts
<midfavila>
kind of irrelevant these days
<shokara_>
the only place I still see oss being used is in freebsd
<shokara_>
so yeah
<midfavila>
when i get around to hacking on operating systems i'll probably start contributing to sortix
<midfavila>
or, well, i'll look at it
<midfavila>
i don't like having to duplicate effort but c++ for an OS isn't something i want
<shokara_>
I personally don't want c++ in anything
<midfavila>
in all seriousness i don't know enough about OO or C++ to seriously critique it
<midfavila>
but i do know that c++ and associated tools have reps for being overly complex
<shokara_>
I really dislike its syntax
<midfavila>
i still wouldn't mind writing an OS in scheme
<shokara_>
I find it to be a bastardization of C's cleaner syntax.
<shokara_>
a scheme os like a lisp machine?
<midfavila>
dunno! maybe even a boring old posix implementation
<shokara_>
that would still be very neat
<midfavila>
i'm really not that knowledgeable about computing, so i can't say what i'd like the system's architecture to be
<shokara_>
I only know of os's written in c, c++, rust, go (all with some assembly sprinkled in), and forth
<midfavila>
but i *do* know that i'd like to have a scheme r4rs-like language without garbage collection or automatic memory management to make the kernel, and then atop that use r7rs-l for userspace programs
<midfavila>
write a microkernel perhaps so that stuff that would normally be in-kernel can have garbage collection
<midfavila>
gc would need to be optional though so you can write realtime code
<midfavila>
i know of a couple oddball OSes
<midfavila>
one written in haskell and another in common lisp
<midfavila>
those being the p-system, the lilith operating system(s), and the oberon system
<midfavila>
aa most of what i want to do is like
<midfavila>
usually the subject of a PhD thesis goddamn
<midfavila>
i hate being a degreelet aaaaaaaaaaa
<davidgarland>
as far as languages go I wish there were something like MLton for Standard ML but with haskell's typeclasses
<davidgarland>
MLton monomorphizes and defunctionalizes everything, so it doesn't have unnecessary boxing all over the place
<midfavila>
i keep hearing people talk about Standard ML but it's too bigged-brained for me to really get rn
<midfavila>
seems cool though
<davidgarland>
nah you could understand it easy
<davidgarland>
I mean the module system has some annoying ad hoc shit to it but
<davidgarland>
core langauge is simple
<davidgarland>
*language
<midfavila>
meant more like, the underlying concepts
<midfavila>
language design and all that
<davidgarland>
ah
<davidgarland>
he hasn't done an article on algorithm W / J for typechecking (for that I'd look up "how ocaml typechecker works" or smth like that, there's a nice writeup for it) but I have a friend who does a blog that details some of that kind of stuff: https://compiler.club
<davidgarland>
if implementation is what interests you
<midfavila>
will definitely look, but a cursory glance shows it's way beyond me atm
<midfavila>
and yeah, it definitely does - i'd like to design interpreters and compilers and stuff in the future - but my everything is too shoddy for that rn
<shokara_>
davidgarland: does he have an rss/atom feed?
<davidgarland>
unsure, I'll ask him once firefox is finished reinstalling, it won't launch because libvpx got an update lol
<davidgarland>
shokara_: asked and he said "I don't have one because I maintain the blog as a kind of awkward static site"
<davidgarland>
to quote him word for word
<midfavila>
your friend is my spirit animal
<shokara_>
ah that's still fine
<shokara_>
he still has a very cool site
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