02:15 <testuser[m]> Hi

02:24 <testuser[m]> midfavila: I also tried to add a dummy credit card before because they didn't let you remove the sole payment method (i.e friend's card) and they want a pic of the non-existing owner of that card too lol

02:25 <testuser[m]> Gonna pay in shitcoins only from now and find another provider

02:25 <midfavila> use a pubnix

02:25 <midfavila> stop paying for computing resources

02:26 <illiliti> what if he needs root

02:27 <midfavila> then he's fucked i guess

02:27 <midfavila> or you can get a VPS through a pubnix

02:27 <midfavila> and still avoid dealing with retarded providers

02:27 <midfavila> obligatory SDF mention, you can pay for one with cash :D

02:33 <illiliti> hmm, why no one is considering hosting at home?

02:33 <illiliti> if your isp is good, it's best option imho

02:34 <midfavila> i mean, in my case, i'm just lazy

02:34 <midfavila> that's a lot of effort and it opens up potential security issues that i just don't feel like dealing with

02:35 <midfavila> plus, if, say, a (purely hypothetical) massive storm blows through my area and knocks out the power grid, now nobody can reach my email/irc/whatever

02:35 <midfavila> like

02:35 <midfavila> i guess if you just want to offer stuff that's whatever, doesn't need reliability, go for it

02:42 <illiliti> power grid is not a problem if you have failsafe

02:42 <illiliti> but yeah, that's a lot of effort. reliability isn't simple

02:42 <midfavila> unless your failsafe also allows you to handle your uplink, no, it's still a problem

03:21 <sewn> Hi

07:52 <sad_plan> hi

07:57 <sad_plan> unless you host something like a mailserver, or other rather important stuff, I dont see why one cant selfhost your your services. like website, git server, and possibly other stuff aswell

07:57 <sad_plan> so I agree with illiliti here

08:00 <sewn> matrix is on his vps

08:01 <sad_plan> he has his own matrix server?

08:04 <sewn> yes

08:05 <sad_plan> hm, ok. then reliability and uptime is rather important.. selfhosting then might not be a viable option in this usecase

08:08 <sewn> he's still alive, sad_plan

08:09 <sad_plan> I state that he wasnt :p

08:09 <sad_plan> s/I/I didnt/

08:11 <sewn> boo

09:00 <niceguy5000[m]> <midfavila> "that's a lot of effort and it..." <- can you just have a openvpn to open ports?

09:01 <niceguy5000[m]> Plus you can run inside a vm.

10:49 <midfavila> i could, or i could just use sdf

10:49 <midfavila> sad_plan but that's literally what i said

10:49 <midfavila> ...well, not literally, but metaphorically

10:50 <sad_plan> we agree on this then :p

10:50 <midfavila> sure, i just don't think self-hosting trivial stuff is worth the effort

10:50 <midfavila> unless it's a hobby, in which case go for it. idk

10:52 <sad_plan> fair point

10:53 <midfavila> https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=D04wb7P_v-4

11:00 <sad_plan> omg, his like a child lol

11:01 <sewn> I love him

11:01 <sad_plan> amazing

11:01 <sad_plan> oh, its from the onion. had to be

11:01 <midfavila> best quote has to be "can you stack your family?"

11:02 <sad_plan> yeah.

11:02 <sad_plan> then he proceeds to say ' i need to go to prison' 'now'

11:02 <midfavila> there's like

11:02 <midfavila> five or six different michael falk videos

11:02 <midfavila> every one is a gem

11:02 <sad_plan> now i have to go watch them

11:03 <midfavila> https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=mjuVVlSgYLc

11:03 <midfavila> t r a i n s

11:04 <sad_plan> I can already tell this is going to be a good one. people are dead. omg

11:06 <sad_plan> > this was a very lucky day for the train

11:06 <sad_plan> this is gold midfavila

12:08 <midfavila> indeed

12:16 <testuser[m]> lmfao even getting shitcoins requires you to submit documents to shady exchanges wtf

12:16 <midfavila> you didn't know?

17:25 <testuser[m]1> Hi

17:25 <sewn> what the fuck

17:25 <sewn> oh

17:25 <sad_plan> hi

17:26 <sewn> hi testuser what happened

17:26 <testuser[m]1> I asked them for a refund

17:57 <sad_plan> ffs, does kiss do anything that would otherwise make aliases called inside buildscripts not work?

17:57 <sad_plan> I have verifed that the buildscript actually sees the alias, but later down, when make is called, it doenst seem to stick

17:58 <sad_plan> using kiss a work, but im trying to bypass that initially..

17:59 <sad_plan> spawning another subshell shouldnt matter either, as the alias should stick afaik, as long as the first script which calls the rest has the alias sourced

18:37 <niceguy5000[m]> <testuser[m]> "lmfao even getting shitcoins..." <- you can buy monero from real people.

18:39 <niceguy5000[m]> buy coins trade to another different address. anonymous coins.

23:24 <phoebos> > The standard developers considered that aliases were of use primarily to interactive users and that they should normally not affect shell scripts called by those users; functions are available to such scripts.