<midfavila>
one of the worst devices i've ever owned
<shokara_>
what I meant by desktop x200 is libreboot's description of the ga-g41m-es2l
<midfavila>
o
<midfavila>
fair enough
<shokara_>
>This is a desktop board using intel hardware (circa ~2009, ICH7 southbridge, similar performance-wise to the ThinkPad X200. It can make for quite a nifty desktop. Powered by libreboot.
<midfavila>
i'm arguing with someone about autoexec.bat optimizations being esoteric over telnet
<shokara_>
but using a laptop for a desktop does seem uncomfy
<midfavila>
extremely
<midfavila>
even with a docking station they're bad
<niceguy5000[m]>
you can buy them portable monitors for cheap.
<midfavila>
cheap being multiple hundreds of dollars plus the cost of getting something that supports them
<midfavila>
noth
<midfavila>
x
<niceguy5000[m]>
it's $100 for 1080 ips
<shokara_>
I'd use the ga-g41m-es2l, but the core 2 extreme 4c/8t 3.2ghz cpu (qx9775) has 150W tdp...
<niceguy5000[m]>
this could be good if you have like 1-3 pcs in the network with vnc.
<shokara_>
the portable monitors?
<midfavila>
i just want what amounts to a blobless thin client
<niceguy5000[m]>
no the ga-g41m-es2l
<midfavila>
i do a lot of work on sdf and it wouldn't be hard to move most of it over there
<niceguy5000[m]>
it's 50 bucks and the cpu is 25-50 bucks.
<niceguy5000[m]>
* 50 bucks for the motherboard and the
<shokara_>
yup, but then there's the picky ram
<midfavila>
god knows how much you'd have to spend to figure out what set of sticks works
<shokara_>
I think it uses ddr2, which is fairly cheap
<shokara_>
or should be
<midfavila>
inb4 it's gotten way more expensive because rare vintage
<shokara_>
:/
<shokara_>
might as well sell my unused 4x2G DDR2 sticks then
<midfavila>
R@RE RETRO GAMING VINTAGE
<shokara_>
it's around $15 on ebay
<midfavila>
how much does the board support, again?
<midfavila>
4gb?
<shokara_>
and less, for the stick that libreboot's docs recommends
<shokara_>
up to 16gb
<midfavila>
wild
<shokara_>
desktop sandy/ivybridge supported up to 32gb
<shokara_>
for this though, 16gb would only be from 2x8GB sticks
<midfavila>
32gb still feels like a ton
<shokara_>
because it only has 2 slots :/
<shokara_>
it is
<shokara_>
it's funny to see core 2 extreme cpus upwards of 130W tdp on ebay being sold with intel stock coolers
<niceguy5000[m]>
if you had 2-3 of these pcs with vnc it become usable. one seems to low power for me.
<shokara_>
over vnc seems like it'd make it slower
<shokara_>
the only purpose I see multiple of these computers being useful would be with distcc
<midfavila>
i mean
<midfavila>
i've used weaker machines in the past without much trouble
<midfavila>
as long as you don't intend to do a ton of web browsing with firefox or w/e they're totally fine
<shokara_>
same, and that's why I don't see the point of multiple of these computers
<shokara_>
especially with a core 2 quad or extreme, it seems perfectly fine to me
<midfavila>
yeye
<shokara_>
core 2 extreme for example seems to just be a hotter sandy/ivybridge i7
<shokara_>
with a decent ati or matrox gpu and ignoring the picky ram, it seems like a fine computer to me
<midfavila>
problem with matrox cards is that there's only like
<midfavila>
two that are libre
<shokara_>
sadly
<shokara_>
I wonder if the older ati gpus also required external blobs
<midfavila>
dunno
<midfavila>
the really bleh
<midfavila>
s/the really//
<midfavila>
wtf me
<niceguy5000[m]>
GA-G41M-ES2L with a 4090 card with be epic /s.
<niceguy5000[m]>
s/with/would/
<shokara_>
if that were to actually happen, I think it'd basically be a super power hungry gtx 480 and catch on fire :D
<shokara_>
probably, but it can be removed completely in this generation
<shokara_>
well I think it can be
<niceguy5000[m]>
can libreboot overclock the cpu?
<shokara_>
iirc, overclocking from core/libreboot can only be done through msr registers in linux's sysfs
<midfavila>
well i'm off to bed
<midfavila>
don't burn the chat down while i'm away
<shokara_>
gn
<niceguy5000[m]>
are all amd gpus blobless?
<shokara_>
definitely definitely not
<shokara_>
I don't know about their older ati gpus though
<shokara_>
but all amd gpus from amdgpu and most(?) from radeonkms are
<niceguy5000[m]>
it's cost like 200 bucks to build libreboot desktop pc.
<niceguy5000[m]>
not bad.
<sewn>
Hi
<davidgarland>
o/
<davidgarland>
I see you've been playing with multilib again, how's your sanity doing
<niceguy5000[m]>
wael what's your github?
<sewn>
apprehensions
<sewn>
davidgarland: stop stalking me
<sewn>
my multilib isn't on github tho, most of my repositories are on codeberg
<davidgarland>
xp my bad
<sewn>
I did get it working very very quickly I'll say that
<davidgarland>
nice
<sewn>
what type of system are you on davidgarland ? Nvidia?
<davidgarland>
amd, for both cpu and gpu
<davidgarland>
still have yet to get a chroot or flatpak set up to play some games with, I thought I'd try doing minecraft and that that'd be "easy" but both multimc forks I've found use openssl 1.1.1
<davidgarland>
so I don't actually know if my gpu fans work outside of boot setup or not
<sewn>
could you install Vulkan-Tools and see if vkcube runs
<davidgarland>
sure
<davidgarland>
if it doesn't it won't say anything conclusive about your packages though, it may just be a sign of my own incompetence-- I haven't been doing this very long
<sewn>
It will
<sewn>
grepo and kiss-xorg mesa both don't have vulkan out of the box
<sewn>
I have an nvidia system, and vulkan and other things are not provided by mesa
<davidgarland>
I see
<davidgarland>
"environment variable DISPLAY requires a valid value"-- is this because I'm running on wayland? Or will just doing DISPLAY=0 or something like that make it happy
<sewn>
You're on Wayland?
<davidgarland>
yes-- I mean, I have dwm, so I can switch over to that real quick and test there
<sewn>
kiss-multilib was designed for X11 with some packages having optional support
<sewn>
for wayland
<sewn>
enable Wayland support in the vulkan-tools build file
<davidgarland>
alright
<davidgarland>
for the record I probably *will* fully switch over to X if it turns out to not have a noticable performance diff for me, dwm is comfy-- but ill try that
<davidgarland>
building with {wl:-ON} gives me undefined reference to `vkCreateWaylandSurfaceKHR'
<sewn>
I've tried running some apps like games on Wayland and it worked fine
<sewn>
You have to enable wl for vulkan-loader as well
<davidgarland>
a
<davidgarland>
hmm, still gives me the "DISPLAY requires a valid value" message
<sewn>
probably because xorg support is enabled
<davidgarland>
ah
<sewn>
you can't really escape X when it comes to gaming
<sewn>
you need xwayland and in return you need libX11 and relaged
<sewn>
related*
<davidgarland>
I do have libX11, but not xwayland, so I'll grab the latter
<sewn>
Bru might as well use xorg at that point
<davidgarland>
true why bother with bad wm and bad terminal
<sewn>
are you referring to xorg or Wayland I can't tell
<davidgarland>
wayland
<sewn>
what terminal and wm are you using
<davidgarland>
foot and sway
<davidgarland>
I tried dwl a long while back but it was very incomplete feeling
<sewn>
noted
<sewn>
yeah you can't use something like dwl when you want to use the big apps like games
<davidgarland>
foot isn't that bad I'm just picky, I like ligatures
<davidgarland>
yea
<davidgarland>
when I got multimc running (back when you could still build that yourself) I had to patch dwl with a 'pointer constraints' patch someone made
<davidgarland>
a phrase I had never heard that just means 'letting the window capture the mouse' lmao
<davidgarland>
I just assumed that all WMs did that
<sewn>
lmao
<shokara_>
"back when you could still build that yourself" what do you mean by this? I haven't built multimc recently, but multimc 0.16(?) and polymc build easily for me
<davidgarland>
I mean you have to do some fiddling with it, and they won't let you package it under the same name
<davidgarland>
hence why polymc exists at all
<shokara_>
0.6.11* and 0.6.7
<shokara_>
I thought polymc existed over telemetry concerns instead of branding. interesting
<davidgarland>
less interesting is that there's a third, "prism launcher", started because of drama related to polymc's author saying something people didn't like and removing some peoples' perms
<shokara_>
oh yes I forgot that one existed
<davidgarland>
gonna rejoin on another device so I can fiddle with dwm a bit
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<davidgarland>
(I'm aware I could just use tmux sessions or something but it's whatever)
<testuser[m]123>
Hi
<davidgarland>
o/
<shokara_>
greetings
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<davidgarland>
sewn: alright, progress. I didn't have my locale set that whole time so I had to set it and rebuild all my x11/xorg related stuff as it was giving me "warning: no locale support" even after setting the locale, now st and dmenu launch as usual
<davidgarland>
running vkcube gives me "vkEnumerateInstanceExtensionProperties failed to find the VK_KHR_surface extension. Do you have a compatible vulkan instance client driver (ICD) installed?"
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<davidgarland>
gonna head to bed seeing as it's midnight, gn
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<sewn>
gn
<sewn>
also seems that overrides for mesa need to be made
<niceguy5000[m]>
Do you use multilib for roblox?
<niceguy5000[m]>
s/roblox/Roblox/
<testuser[m]123>
To write in the ways of the POSIX, she must bang your script with #!/bin/sh. That she bangs #!/usr/bin/env sh is wrongful for env is not a guarantee but a privilege. Only guarantee is her ability to she bang #!/bin/sh
<sewn>
niceguy5000: bro how the hell did you know wtf
<midfavila>
someone probably just fucked something up
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<shokara_>
"<niceguy5000[m]> This is cool. GA-G41M-ES2L doesn't require external flashing." except for the recent ones (i.e. aorus?), all the ivybridge era and earlier gigabyte motherboards have unprotected bios flashing
<shokara_>
and on my one for example, if it's a bad flash and becomes bricked, there's a second bios chip that overwrites the bricked chip
<shokara_>
if it's a good flash and posts well, then I flash both bios chips
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<niceguy5000[m]>
It's super cool, it only cost like 200 bucks for everything. you can 2-3 of these with KVM switches and split screen monitors. full blob less systems with the same performances as modern hardware. 3 of them are 12 cores. You can program the kvm switch with the keyboard, just like you would use dwm spaces.
<niceguy5000[m]>
s/are/is/
<niceguy5000[m]>
AMD 580 is 60-80 bucks.
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<davidgarland>
o/
<sewn>
Hi
<davidgarland>
hallo sewn
<davidgarland>
btw I have confirmed my GPU works and all that, I ran glmark2 and the fans on it started spinning so there's that worry gone
<davidgarland>
also maybe you're already aware of this but when I have those Vulkan packages installed, ffmpeg fails to build with an error saying "VK_EXT_VIDEO_DECODE_H264_EXTENSION_NAME" is undeclared, then asking "did you mean <the same thing but s/DECODE/ENCODE>?"
<davidgarland>
maybe this is implied by the mesa thing you mentioned yesterday, I'm clueless about how all of this is interconnected
<midfavila>
>SDF's login is broken because libdes is missing