<zorz>
remiliascarlet: this has nothing to do with greece. this are refugee camps and apparently among refugees are and gay. and so what... they cut 25k ???? cut the fuckin millions laundry scheme.
<zorz>
in order DOGE to approve lets say 25k somebody in US must pocket another 25k:P
<zorz>
Deep State, Deep shit.
<remiliascarlet>
Deep zorz.
<remiliascarlet>
zorz: The question is, who requested this 25k?
<remiliascarlet>
It's either Greece, or EU.
<zorz>
its EU controlled, actually its messed up
<remiliascarlet>
I hope DOGE will eventually go international, and they take a look into the EU and its institutions, and the Japanese government.
<zorz>
all refugee camps are in control of central EU
<zorz>
Brussels.... is deep deep shit.
<remiliascarlet>
Must be caused by their sprouts and that fountain peeing on them.
<zorz>
dont know rem... things are not good in general. The world must reset.
<zorz>
nowhere is good.
<SiFuh>
Hang everyone who considers themselves authority
<remiliascarlet>
Just look at Bill Gaytards. He went to Brussels in 1999, got pie in his face 3 times by (what the mainstream media called it back then) "hitmen".
<remiliascarlet>
From that point on, he went pure evil.
<remiliascarlet>
EU: "we have metal detectors." Hitman: "fine, I'll use pie then."
<zorz>
i dont think software will feed people.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: No, he was pure evil before, hence the pie in the face.
<zorz>
i dont think all this finance, stealing money from people is good...
<zorz>
actually Trump, Elon are clever. USAID is an agency that camouflages cia, mercenaries, spies etc. but nowdays they listen everything from the mobiles, they read everything from the internet, they use drones, soon robots. and ofcourse they destroy iraq, libya, syria no need
<zorz>
for usaid.
<zorz>
they destroyed yugoslavia
<zorz>
they say they worry about trafficking or human parts like kidney in black market.... USAID is the evil.
<zorz>
SiFuh: if AID is like this... what is the harm? hahaha
<remiliascarlet>
USAID is not the evil, it's part of the bigger evil.
<remiliascarlet>
Yes, it's evil.
<remiliascarlet>
USAID is just the tip of the iceberg, just wait until DOGE goes into the other bloat departments.
<remiliascarlet>
USAID will appear innocent compared to the other agencies.
<remiliascarlet>
I think we should thank the failed ASS-ASS-ination attempts for this. If it wasn't for those, 2nd term Trump will probably be just as cucked as 1st term Trump.
<remiliascarlet>
Maybe she got hired after the Japan video.
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: europe, is superior than america. health care.... you dont see places like half of LA which is similar to Afghanistan
<zorz>
society in Europe, is OK
<zorz>
never forget, that Europe has the money.
<remiliascarlet>
Health care that's fucking expensive, and insurance barely wants to pay for anything you mean?
<zorz>
what?
<zorz>
all workers in Germany, French, Greece.... anything happens to you you pay nothing
<zorz>
plus... retirement pansion.
<zorz>
what America has?
<SiFuh>
Pansion haha
<zorz>
Germany gives 2000 euro per pansion
<remiliascarlet>
Japan's health care is cheap, and covers a lot. Every time I take a blood test, I only have to pay 300 yen with insurance. If you do so without insurance (which you can't not have anyway), it'll cost you 10,000 yen.
<zorz>
go on the streets of Baltimore, Philadelphia, New Orleans, LA.... you dont see places like that in europe.
<SiFuh>
In Australia it is already paid for. So you don't need to pay shit when you go in for a blood test
<SiFuh>
Some states don't even charge you for ambulance trips because they get paid from certain bills like electrical bills
<zorz>
SiFuh: if 10% of the secret city is truth..... ooo man... you did well you left this country.
<remiliascarlet>
zorz: Socialism is good for those who refuse to work, or can't work like all the elderly people. But it comes at the cost of those who do work, so the long term consequence is that those who can work will eventually quit work, and demand handouts as well.
<SiFuh>
Yes, you can't hide in Australia. They have 'hunters' located all over the place.
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: in Europe, if you are insured, usually all its free.
<remiliascarlet>
zorz: Yes, but how much do you pay for insurance every month?
<zorz>
everything is crap.
<SiFuh>
zorz: There is even a law that allows police to access your social media accounts and they are legally allowed to protend to be you and modify your content
<zorz>
thats the problem with the immigration in Germany.... in order to keep the pansion/health care.... they need new suckers to work in the factories
<zorz>
hahahha
<SiFuh>
[rotend/pretend
<remiliascarlet>
Look at France for example, apparently you get a better life on welfare than you get as an employee there, because socialism.
<zorz>
France, what goes around comes around.... they had colonies in Africa.... now they complain
<zorz>
you go in London and half the London are Indians
<zorz>
colonies in India.
<remiliascarlet>
Dude, I was in London before, have seen only 3 Brits throughout my entire stay there.
<zorz>
hahahhahahaa
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: yes its truth!
<zorz>
listen.... go to Birminham....
<remiliascarlet>
Nah, I don't want to come anywhere near the UK anymore.
<remiliascarlet>
Just look at its tyrannical state today.
<zorz>
you heard what Trump said to Zelensky today?
<remiliascarlet>
Did he say that he's gay.
<zorz>
you need to pay now the money that you helped you with.... i need the mines
<remiliascarlet>
?
<remiliascarlet>
Oh, that.
<zorz>
half of the mines go to russia, the rest to usa
<zorz>
and the genocide of Ukrainian people to Zelensky
<zorz>
and all of that for what..... because of the Brits
<zorz>
Brits, started the war
<remiliascarlet>
zorz: In the UK, Netherlands, and Belgium, one just needs to look at the sky to immediately rush to the nearest by airport and say "any free seats left in the soonest to depart airplane?".
<SiFuh>
zorz: We are near the end of 'The Fourth Turning' and usually what happens is we all go to war. However, this one might be different and instead of war with other peoples and nations, we might be going to war against our own governments
<zorz>
SiFuh: 50 years ago maybe.... now everything is gay
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: that why come to Greece!
<zorz>
:P
<remiliascarlet>
zorz: Even frame rates are fake and gay nowadays, because DLSS.
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: : https://s3.amazonaws.com/i.snag.gy/lHwgAn.jpg Just arrived from Russia today. They used the UAE to bypass the sanctions. This will be my wife's wedding anniversary present in June. Cost me an entire good nights pay from driving a Taxi in Australia.
<ppetrov^>
cool
<ppetrov^>
next time, get a watch "ratnik" with inversed knob
<SiFuh>
Her favorite colour is green.
<ppetrov^>
so, 24h wrist watch
<SiFuh>
Yes, all mine are 24h.
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: Hopefully she will become proficient in using the real time instead of this 12 hour bullshit.
<ppetrov^>
i have no problem with a 12h clock and using the 24h format. Watch like this is quite confusing, so congrats, she will hate it. Better get her a watch where both 12h and 24 are listed on the watch face
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: That Ratnik watch band is pretty cool. We have been great in the winters of Japan
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: The inverse dial is awesome for people like me who wear the watch on the left hand.
<ppetrov^>
or when wearing gloves
<SiFuh>
Hmm good point. But I myself haven't noticed an issue with that but it would make it easier to slep on.
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: When I was in Japan, I noticed my watch was quite loose. I guess my arms shrunk from the cold?
<ppetrov^>
my fingers shring from the cold... long ago I worked all day in "the cold room" in the lab, so it was +6 or sth. I had a ring, that started to fall off in the end of the day
<ppetrov^>
*shrink
<SiFuh>
Hmm, I don't wear rings but that would have been a big clue too. I was thinking that the water in your skin isn't vibrating as much, so it becomes a little more condensed causing your skin and muscles to shrink but not lose mass.
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: Also I noticed the scuba-diving vest I wore in Japan under my clothes to keep warm was looser than when I wear it in Malaysia.
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: Because neoprene scuba-diving vests work so well in the snow and cold, I recommend wearing a cotton shirt underneath it.
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: I was walking around most days like I was in Malaysia when wearing it. Sleeves were rolled up because it was keeping me too war. I was getting a few looks though.
<SiFuh>
Because I can't tuck it into my jeans, the jeans kept pushing it upwards. So I would end up with a wrinkly beer gut. Hahaha
<ppetrov^>
i do have beer gut and i don't care
<farkuhar>
ppetrov^: You have a port for doxygen. Can you confirm that the presence of doxygen is responsible for the build failure reported by deepthought? https://git.crux.nu/ports/contrib/issues/26
<ppetrov^>
will check
<farkuhar>
zorz: I don't know which is lazier, truncating "remiliascarlet" to "rem", or failing to capitalize and insert the periods if you meant the band that Peter Ames Carlin just published a book about: https://yalereview.org/article/tavakoli-rem-peter-ames-carlin
<farkuhar>
In context it's unlikely that zorz meant the latter, when writing "don't know rem", but if he did mean that, then the book review is a good place to start.
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<ukky>
remiliascarlet: GeForce did similar 'improvements' 20 years ago. Instead of providing all resolutions from the spec, GeForce had only few (3-4) native HW resolutions and for the rest they just performed texture scaling.
<ukky>
remiliascarlet: You have to buy more expensive Quadro GPU to have all resolutions implemented as native GPU HW resolutions.
<ukky>
remiliascarlet: Those fake frame rates were already implemented 20 years ago. If you would run standard benchmark software on nVidia, they just substitute vertex shader (sent by benchmark program) by simplified vertex shader (embedded in the driver for each benchmarking SW). And thus, you get frame rate boost.
<ppetrov^>
farkuhar, I confirm that libnet fails to build when dopxygen is present, with some doc issues
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<farkuhar>
ppetrov^: Thanks for checking. Let's see how long it takes beerman to add the appropriate logic to the libnet Pkgfile.
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: But I don't have a beer gut :-P
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I think I need to do this entire thing from the start again. Something changed and I am guessing that it was the major update from 3.7 to 3.8 that caused it.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: jaeger builds a new update slowly based on not so far out of sync released versions.
<SiFuh>
ukky: She has never worn military style. She has only worn the terrorist style. The Casio F-91W. Heh
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Wife and I have been discussing that we plan to go back to Japan. This time, I want to go to Mount Hiba the land of the Hibagon and also check out Iga
<SiFuh>
Lake Biwa
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: But no tourist spots. I want to go to the forrests and mountains there.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Starting again. Something is not right. httpup compiles when it wants and other times it shits it pants about curl.
<SiFuh>
The latest python complains about no having python3-setuptools and when you try to install it, it complains about some missing package that no longer exists but within itself.
<SiFuh>
Apparently many have complained about it.
<ppetrov^>
curl sucks
<ppetrov^>
:P
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: the python ecosystem is a mess. I'm not surprised at the complaint involving python3-setuptools. As for httpup, it's strange that the build failure is not reproducible every time.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Okay, I am done. I will look at it again another day.
<SiFuh>
Not wasting 4 days on this. I need to think more.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Would be nice to have emmett1 here to assist but he is busy
<ukky>
SiFuh: Are you creating the same core ports as you did for 3.7?
<SiFuh>
ukky: pretty much
<SiFuh>
I took a list from the 3.8 RC of what core ports they have
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: too bad you had to sacrifice the 9front machine for 4 days without much success.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: No, I patched and wrote many new mods to ports for MUSL and got to see shit and some not so cool shit :-P
<SiFuh>
So not a total waste of time.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I have been backing up every stage so no lost data yet also
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: ukky: Another one that shits me. json-c chooses the include file from /usr/include/bsd if libbsd is installed and refuses to use the one from /usr/include. If I removed libbsd it compiles fine. If not, it will bitch and error out.
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<ukky>
SiFuh: Maybe there is configure option to change that detection.
<ukky>
SiFuh: For musl-3.8, do you use your custom kernel config, or the one from git-3.8?
<farkuhar>
I'm not getting any build failure for json-c, even with libbsd installed.
<farkuhar>
But I'm not working with a stage0 bootstrap yet, just the old CRUX-MUSL with {core,opt} ports trees synced to the 3.8 branches.
<SiFuh>
ukky: Custom for what? The CD kernel is not really configured for a functioning system. It is designed for booting the CD.
<SiFuh>
No CRUX ISO is built on a system that boots from the ISO's configured kernel
<ukky>
SiFuh: Yes, but there are might be drivers enabled in your kernel that are not present in git-3.8.
<SiFuh>
ukky: No I am using the one that jaeger requested. 6.6.62
<SiFuh>
And for the record, the same issues were on the original kernel for 3.7
<SiFuh>
I actually upgraded the system to 6.6.62 and the Linux-headers to 6.6.62 to see if it would resolv the issues
<ukky>
Is this kernel config in git-3.8 ? Or, could you just dpaste it, please?
<SiFuh>
ukky: Also, all options I have tried. It doesn't seem to care what I put. It still poaches the libbsd header and not the system header which is fscking bullshit
<SiFuh>
ukky: I want the MUSL to be almost identical to the official release
<ukky>
My last musl ISO had separate linux-kernel-headers port
<zorz>
you need to advertise the musl distro.
<zorz>
people do not know.
<ukky>
SiFuh: For identical release you need xorg too.
<SiFuh>
ukky: Hence the reason I mentioned them separately
<SiFuh>
ukky: I don't want to advertise. I just want it for those who want to take it and run with it. I had no plans at all to do 3.8. I wanted to prepare the foundations only when we were at 3.7. But you know how pushy farkuhar can be :-P
<ukky>
SiFuh: Ha
<SiFuh>
ukky: I have xorg done. I have everything except json-c httpup python3-setuptools and glib-introspective.
<SiFuh>
ukky: In fact, I am kind of thinking about what farkuhar had mentioned kind of subtly. I think the ISO build script needs a complete re-write
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I have been considering it since like early 2000's that the script is poorly written
<SiFuh>
There are no failsafes at all. You build an entire system only to be told it failed AT the end. That fucks me off big time. The other is if it can't umount the fake root. It deletes all your work and leaves you with an empty fakeroot and your complete ISO is gone.
<ukky>
SiFuh: My Makefile for building ISO is very different from official. I added code to support non-root build and to build development ISO (includes toolchain).
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Try it. Ctrl+C in Stage 1 or 2. Watch everything even the ISO git you downloaded and configured vanish without a trace.
<SiFuh>
ukky: Nice
<SiFuh>
ukky: If I do my own. It will be production and reboot style. Rather than using virtual roots
<SiFuh>
zorz: Biden Manipulated Romania’s Election, Trump Admin Official Reveals
<ukky>
SiFuh: At what stage json-c build fails?
<ukky>
SiFuh: Could you add this line to Pkgfile?: '-D DISABLE_EXTRA_LIBS=ON'
<SiFuh>
From the start ukky
<SiFuh>
I could, but I won't because I want a break. I will save it though unless you really really really want me to try it. Then I can bend the rules
<SiFuh>
Fuck it... okay you talked me to into it ukky
<ukky>
Could you '2>&1 | tee ~/log.txt' and dpaste, please?
<SiFuh>
Give them an inch and they take a mile
<ukky>
SiFuh: You know, I do this for you, right?
<SiFuh>
You know I do this for the CRUX MUSL community right?
<ukky>
SiFuh: Yes, I know that.
<SiFuh>
And you know I was suppose to end at 3.7 right? But.... farkuhar is here.
<SiFuh>
ukky: No it compiles. So it must be inside stage 1
<SiFuh>
ukky: I will save it, and test it later. I will not do a full stage 1 rebuild today 100% sure and you can't convince me with lollipops and other hallowed candy
<SiFuh>
ukky: This extra libs is for other libs that are not system?
<ukky>
SiFuh: json-c mentions this flag should be set to ON to, quote, 'Avoid linking against extra libraries, such as libbsd.'
<SiFuh>
Whaaa?
<SiFuh>
Who the fsck wrote the program?
<ukky>
Ha
<SiFuh>
What retarded shit is that. Okay. I will save it.
<SiFuh>
Do you want to see the httpup message if I can get it?
<ukky>
Yes, please
<SiFuh>
Yeah I don't have it. Hold on I try to rebuild it
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Can you believe it compiles now? AGAIN....
<ukky>
SiFuh: I was preparing to start building musl-3.8 ISO on my system today, but it will be easier to fix your build errors as you are almost done building.
<SiFuh>
The problem with httpup is that it compiles WHEN it wants.
<SiFuh>
And I haven't narrowed down the cause yet
<SiFuh>
ukky: If you need patches let me know. But for the packages I mentioned above, I have issues.
<ukky>
SiFuh: For json-c, this should help: Add '-Wno-error=cpp'
<SiFuh>
I did
<dlcusa>
The two BIG questions noone can answer authoritatively is when is the global DEBT going to get discharged and what will things look like afterwards.
<dlcusa>
s/is/are/
<SiFuh>
dlcusa: It is a debt based system. If you discharge the debt then the system has only one path, to crash.
<zorz>
SiFuh: have you seen what happen in Munich today.... hahahaha
<dlcusa>
Which has happened repeatedly. But this time it's bigger, and this time just a few people own over half of everything.
<SiFuh>
dlcusa: And how many countries collapsed changed to another countries currency to survive?
<SiFuh>
country's*
<SiFuh>
dlcusa: When the financial market of the world is based on USD then what can the USD fall back on? Maybe BRICS?
<dlcusa>
My point is we know it's coming, just not when nor how much will the planet be changed when it does.
<SiFuh>
dlcusa: We have known since the 30's and every year they preach more and more. And yes, it is inevitable
<SiFuh>
dlcusa: A great reset? That is why they want carbon tax and digital currency with negative interest
<SiFuh>
dlcusa: It is an illegal usary system that was banned for centuries
<SiFuh>
usury*
<SiFuh>
ukky: Okay I saved your possible fix. But I don't think I will touch it until tomorrow or next week.
<SiFuh>
ukky: We will probably still release it before 3.8 CRUX comes out. :-P
<ukky>
SiFuh: I will wait for you to come back from the jungle...
<SiFuh>
ukky: My plan is start from scratch. The most difficult is moving from the old python to the new python.
<SiFuh>
ukky: Looks like no jungle. But I still want a break. 4 days of watching jaeger's scrolling text is enough for a divorce
<dlcusa>
I do expect high tech to get set back, as it depends upon ever more people performing ever more kinds of vocations.
<SiFuh>
dlcusa: On a side note. I don't think the high tech was ever meant for us. I think we were made to create it and once it reaches a certain point, they will stoneage us and the elite families will use it to control us.
<dlcusa>
Well, I hope not.
<SiFuh>
dlcusa: Me too. Can you imagine a drone stalking you for days from over 500 miles away, whilst you are happily living in the jungle alone. Only to be smashed in the face with a missile?
<dlcusa>
I can.
<SiFuh>
dlcusa: Igan says "The way of Palestine is the way of the world" I don't doubt him. An open-air prison where you can't do anything. Or as Richard Marx would say "You can't do nothin'"
<dlcusa>
It seems the uber-rich are depending upon AGI, which may not materialize before the Great Crash.
<SiFuh>
dlcusa: And as much as I don't trust Trump. It seems that he and the Donkey Kong team are trying to reduce the debt to delay it.
<dlcusa>
I call that sanity.
<SiFuh>
dlcusa: It appears that way. But I don't like his Gaza plan and as much as I like the Greenland Canada Panama plan it sounds very fishy. I remember reading something written in the very early 1900's (Not me the document) that had a place to divide the northern hemisphere into three regions. The capital of the Northern American region would be in Canada. Is he building this? Is this almost biblical?
<dlcusa>
Beats me.
<SiFuh>
dlcusa: They wanted Asia, American and Europe as three major governments. If you looked at the map, it even covered parts of Venzuela.
<dlcusa>
It's St. Valentine's Day and so I must away...
<SiFuh>
Why?
<SiFuh>
A fake dude's day isn't mentioned in any of the scripts
<SiFuh>
dlcusa: I am looking for the map hold on. I am not as fast as that fake AI shit
<ukky>
farkuhar: have you ever updated musl libc after initial 3.7 ISO was created?
<SiFuh>
ukky: I looked the otherday, I didn't see any updates
<ukky>
My question is: Is it okay if I spit libc and linux headers?
<SiFuh>
If it works, or is more efficent then sure
<ukky>
SiFuh: Did you remove PAM from your musl-3.8 ISO build?
<SiFuh>
Of course
<SiFuh>
Even from xorg and opt
<ukky>
ok
<SiFuh>
I was thinking of moving sudo to opt as well. But I just shouted "FUCK YOU RETARDS" and deleted it
<SiFuh>
For doas, sudo and opendoas. NONE of them should be in core.
<SiFuh>
And I had to remove alias.charset also from a few ports. That should never exist.
<farkuhar>
ukky: no, I haven't updated musl on any of my CRUX 3.7 installations.
<SiFuh>
ukky: left a note in the watch box. "If I am dead, this is your wedding anniversary present" and my signature :-P I cover all possibilities
<ukky>
farkuhar: So, you will survive if I split libc and kernel headers then? Both will be installed, just belong to two different ports.
<SiFuh>
ukky: If you do, and you like it, then send my way.
<ukky>
SiFuh: Ha. You need to leave notes in many more places. What if she doesn't find the box with watch?
<SiFuh>
ukky: If I die, she will find everything
<farkuhar>
It's fascinating to see all the TODO comments in the httpup source code, some dating back to version 3.1 ... testifying to good intentions that never received any follow-up.
<ukky>
SiFuh: My musl ISO I have built a year or something ago already had libc and kernel-header split up in two ports.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I know. I was thinking to myself two days ago. This is fucked. Why is CRUX even using this shit still?
<farkuhar>
ukky: Makes no difference to me if the libc and kernel headers are split between two ports.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: httpup is not even very well maintained. It's like some backyard job some bogan from the woods in Australia scraped off his cast iron pan whilst cooking a wool-less mutton patty
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I was poking around the code and was offended.
<SiFuh>
zorz can code better than that
<SiFuh>
I think it is about time that httpup be removed and replaced with something like rsync or git
<farkuhar>
Heh, we keep it around out of respect for a founding member. He left at least two lasting contributions to CRUX: httpup and prt-get. Somehow I get the impression that httpup was the earlier effort.
<SiFuh>
So you are saying that we should keep the Mahabratah including in the modern handbook?
<SiFuh>
It's outdated and nearly extinct. Time to move on. Other ways to respect the founder
<farkuhar>
Nah, Bhagavad Gita is shorter, that's the one we should include, if any.
<SiFuh>
Like keeping CRUX as simple as possible
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Okay let's include the Epic's of Manas
<SiFuh>
The Epic of Manas*
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I don't recommend reading it. It is so bleeding boring.
<SiFuh>
I'd rather listen to Vogan poetry from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
<SiFuh>
Vogon poetry is a variety of poetry, often considered to be one of the worst. It is sometimes used by the Vogons as a torture method, as it causes physical pain to the hearer. A notable example of this was when they tortured Ford Prefect and Arthur Dent after the Dentrassis let them hitchhike onto the ship.
<farkuhar>
The libcurl documentation is bleeding boring too, but that's what we might have to digest in order to modernize the httpup source code.
<SiFuh>
I think aria2 should replace curl to be honest
<farkuhar>
aria2 is not a core port. It'll be hard enough to get changes merged into the official httpup repo, even if we stuck with libcurl. Imagine how much more resistance we'd face, asking for both a modernized httpup *and* aria2 added to core.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Both Romster and I worked on an aria2 driver for prt-get
<SiFuh>
Both of us were successful.
<SiFuh>
No, I want httpup removed. It is like given an 8-track tape to a guy with an mp3 player
<farkuhar>
Driver for ports, you mean? prt-get didn't have any repo syncing code when I started hacking on it.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Okay pedantic one. For pkgutils
<farkuhar>
Suppose you're successful and eradicate httpup from CRUX. What migration path do you propose, for all those users still running custom scripts with httpup-repgen (to publish their repos)?
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Okay, let's explain something simple. httpup supports one thing. aria2 supports many things.
<SiFuh>
Secondly, move httpup to opt and as long as crux uses git. Then no issues
<SiFuh>
Using aria, you can abolish torrents, curl, wget but not httpup
<SiFuh>
And what is the httpup error to do with? CURL? So it is a backend
<farkuhar>
A lot of users probably still refer to this howto when first getting ready to publish their repo: https://crux.nu/Wiki/SettingUpAnHttpupRepo Should it be marked "deprecated", so users stop treating it as the canonical way to share their ports?
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Yes, we should be moving towards something not found on an Aussie guy's frying pan.
<SiFuh>
So I recommend a push towards something more mainstream but still light-weight rather than hanging on like the Perils or Penolope to a dying port.
<SiFuh>
or/of*
<SiFuh>
I will send it to the dev team on channel. If anyone wants to enhance my message and send to the email list, then feel free.
<farkuhar>
There are some interesting TODO comments in the prt-get source code, too. Consider the line in installtransaction.cpp that promises to eventually remove the manipulation of pkgDest. If jw had followed through on this promise, maybe Vitaly's August 2016 bug report could have been prevented.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Done
<SiFuh>
I think it should be abolished, completely. It is an extra port that doesn't need to exist when you can use new ways to do the same shit and use that port to do other stuff as well
<SiFuh>
CRUX still uses rsync
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<SiFuh>
farkuhar: curl download httpup as well
<zorz>
i see you make changes without asking Beermans aproval:P
<zorz>
hahahahaha
<farkuhar>
Stop zorzing
<zorz>
hahaha
<zorz>
farkuhar: is so funny:P
<farkuhar>
zorz is too lazy to spell out "remiliascarlet" in full, but farkuhar was too lazy to read the surrounding context, and jumped at the (deliberate?) misreading "don't know R.E.M."
<farkuhar>
Hence giving ammunition to SiFuh so he has justification to accuse farkuhar of "speed reading".
<zorz>
SiFuh: accuses himself!
<farkuhar>
Of course bash would favor its own syntax for pattern replacement in strings (# for a pattern at the head, % for a pattern at the tail), rather than the awk/sed/Perl anchors ^ and $. But the basic form ${parameter//pattern/string} is so similar to sed that a user can be forgiven for trying the ^ and $ anchors.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I have a joke for you that I made up when I was a kid. What do you call a fat lady on water skiis?
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I hate it when he does the lavaball and calls her rem or remi
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I speed read all the time. That is how I know you are doing it :-P
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: By the way you never answered my statement.
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: Weren't you saying something about sleep as the time when your eyes are resting from all this computer work? When does that actually happen for you?
<SiFuh>
"O' why does she leave her mug in the microwave for an extra 10 seconds longer than boiling?"
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: That was a day ago dude.
<SiFuh>
Get up to the +8 timezone bro
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Simple, I sleep and eat when I want too. I just wish I can shit when I want too as well.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I have a joke for you that I made up when I was a kid. What do you call a fat lady on water skiis? <---- ANCHOR
<SiFuh>
"O' why does she leave her mug in the microwave for an extra 10 seconds longer than boiling?" <-- THIS IS LATERAL THINKING
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I want to see if you can figure out the lateral thinking problem. I have to do it on a daily basis.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: If it stumps you or you need google, then I recommend you practice them. It will open your mind. farkuhar The new Sherlock Holmes.
<SiFuh>
And if you have some, tell me, I love them very much.
<SiFuh>
zorz: My favorite was "A man walks into a bar. He asks for a glass of water. The bartender pulls out a gun. He says 'thank you' to the bartender and walks out" Why?
<SiFuh>
First time my mother and I heard that (Before internet) we looked at each and said the answer straight away. Mum and I are very good at these.
<SiFuh>
I had a Chinese lady ask me once "What is more evil that Satan, more powerful than God. And if you eat it you will die" and I took three steps and answered it. She was pissed
<farkuhar>
Is "10 seconds longer than boiling" just a shorter way of saying "10 seconds beyond the time that it takes to bring the water to a boil"?
<SiFuh>
Yes. It boiled. But she added 10 seconds to it. Why?
<farkuhar>
10 more seconds with the microwave powered on? Or 10 more seconds that the mug sat in the (powered-down) microwave after it had reached a boil?
<SiFuh>
Powered on
<SiFuh>
You know that giving clues is actually forbidden right?
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I told the old bartender one to a Thai woman once. Two years later I met her again. She asked me what the answer was. Hahahaha
<farkuhar>
Well, the language is kind of ambiguous. At first it just says she left her mug in the microwave for a specified time period, without mentioning whether the microwave was still radiating energy at the mug.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Okay "How do you drop an egg 3 feet onto a hard wooden floor without it breaking. You cannot catch it or use anything to cushion the fall
<SiFuh>
"
<SiFuh>
And the egg is not hard boiled not that it matters
<farkuhar>
I'd be more interested to know how you cement a dental crown onto an incisor tooth so that it won't be knocked loose 14 years later, when chomping down on a piece of hard candy.
<SiFuh>
I am sure dentists would love to know too. Because to do it requires a lot of skill requiring engineering skills that they don't have.
<SiFuh>
To be honest, I'd say, stop eating junk
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: But I do know how you as an adult can regrow your teeth ;-)
<farkuhar>
I have to wait four days for an appointment with the same dentist who made that crown, and they've already thrown away whatever 3D-printing file would have allowed them to build a new crown matching the old geometry. But maybe the geometry has changed enough after 14 years, and a new mold needs to be taken.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Did you recently lose it?
<SiFuh>
Did you choke on it when you were trying to swallow? HAHAHAH I shouldn't laugh.
* SiFuh
is laughing
<SiFuh>
Watch what happens, I die choking, a som num na from God. Hmm what is som num na in English
<farkuhar>
The crown got knocked loose and merged with the other foodstuffs I happened to be chewing. After spitting out the whole mess, I managed to save the crown, but maybe it's been too badly banged up and cannot make a firm attachment any more.
<SiFuh>
Seems Som Num Na translate almost as 'serves yourself right' I like som num na better.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: It's useless. Throw it away. As for your teeth changing. Zero chance unless it is the back of your front teeth. Only the biting surface usually wears down. That would be the crown.
<SiFuh>
Or you are a gay Mongolian man having to chew your husbands slippers when he comes home from the artic winter. Then you wouldn't need a crown, you'd have stumpy teeth already.
<farkuhar>
Oh, and I wouldn't have needed the crown in the first place, except that an overworked hospital staff wasn't watching attentively enough, and I hit my face on a metal bar when orthostatic hypotension caused me to faint, on my first attempt getting on my feet. I was in the hospital for a completely non-dental reason: compression of thoracic vertabra during a car accident.
<SiFuh>
You fainted? What a pussy
<farkuhar>
Heh, the drugs they administered could have been partly responsible for the fainting.
<SiFuh>
My sister pushed me under a van. Refused to admit she had. The driver felt the bump so drove over me a second time wondering what he hit. Then later my sister smashed me in the teeth with a belt buckle. I had to have a crown. But I spat that out later. I haven't bothered since
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Dude I was so fucked up on Saturday night, I couldn't even see. I had to get my blind wife to read the street signs and tell me to keep in the lane. I am still waiting for the blood test results to find out what poison was given to me.
* SiFuh
goes to check his teeth after the lost crown over 30 years ago
<farkuhar>
And none of your drinking companions suffered the same effects? What did you do to deserve being targeted with the poison?
<SiFuh>
Almost grown back dude
<SiFuh>
I was alone. I think it was the Indian woman. The same night, I slept on the concrete footpath out the front of the bank with the other street guys.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I have a deep love for her. But she always ignores me and walks off. But that night she says she is joking and held my hand which I find disgusting to do. Walked me into the bar and talked to me like a wife from another life. Then she told me she was drunk and wanted me to go with her. I said "I am married. You are drunk? Stop drinking" and she walked off in a mood.
<farkuhar>
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, or something like that.
<SiFuh>
Oh you know country music :-)
<SiFuh>
Good song that one
<SiFuh>
middle aged* if I remember correctly
<farkuhar>
Wait, isn't Saturday night almost a week ago by now? How long does it take to get your blood test results?
<SiFuh>
Monday
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: In Australia if you go for a test, they test and you wait 5 to 7 days. But if you are found with illegal drugs in your system they say nothing. Here in Malaysia they just give you a 5 slot test. Default, same as police. I told the wife. Bet they testing for illegal drugs and who knows, maybe call the police.
<SiFuh>
RULE #1 when dealing with doctors. NEVER LIE
<SiFuh>
This doctor was such a moron. I asked him about 5 drugs I have never heard of and he said he needs a book to check. I said I can read every other drug (I made one mistake) and he tested me.
<SiFuh>
He asked How do you know that? I said I was born in the 70's and studied chemistry.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: There was not Riitalin on the list for test
<SiFuh>
Which is the only reason I came.
<farkuhar>
Because you recognized the symptoms of Ritalin poisoning.
<SiFuh>
In 2019, I was very sick. I walked into the doctors with the wife. He said "We don't know what you have. Inknown virus" then handed me a shit load of medicine. I said "No. I want Dextromethorphan only" He looked at the nurse, my wife, me and said "Okay" My wife says "What are you? Walk into a doctors office and tell the doctor what you need"
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: No, that is the point. My poisoning was more like methanol + pentothal
<SiFuh>
But who gets that shit here?
<farkuhar>
"Inknown virus" indeed. Seems like the patient has deep knowledge of what's going on inside his body.
<SiFuh>
I can't understand farkuhar why Ritalin, a very common drug has no test here
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Unknown... by the way. We joke about it that I am ground zero for COVID because of that day.
<farkuhar>
Dextromethorphan is the key ingredient in the cough syrup I took on the morning of my previous fainting spell. It's not something to be handed out carelessly.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I was wearing a face mask too because I was coughing so much. It was fucking painful. I slept in the store room on the floor using the cold tiles to keep my lungs cold. It felt like a giant spikey tennis ball at the top of my right lung. Second day the same on the left. I was coughing for weeks after. My cure was vodka and garlic. Wife says I was so cute when I was sick. WTF?
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Dextromethorphan is a non-addictive, dissasociative replacement for Codiene. It is considered not a drug but trust me. ;-) You can get fucking high off of it as long as it ain't mixed
<SiFuh>
It can mimic opiates, ketomine and even LSD
<SiFuh>
Two people have died from it. 1 from falling asleep and rolling into a fire and the other crossing a highway and got hit by a car. The third death was he was strangled by his friend who was not on it. So none of the two plus third can be counted as a death from the drug even though the first two could be
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: It is quite safe for normal usage as long as you don't hit 15mg per KG of body weight and you are doing it recreationally.
<SiFuh>
And the most important fact. IT CANNOT be mixed with any other chemical. Usually paracetamol. You try it like that, you will probably die
<SiFuh>
It goes well with beer though, oh and you can't drive on it. It took me 1 year of overdose to learn to drive on it.
<SiFuh>
But that is a past life. So forget I ever said anything.
<farkuhar>
15mg per kg of body weight ... what would be the safe dosage for zorz, then?
<SiFuh>
It is amazing because not only is not addictive it has 4 plateaus that you can reach but you can't reach all. You have to do the maths to get there. You can only hit one during one session. Also the effects last 8 hours. But you can feel the calming cool effects for up to 4 days after
<SiFuh>
I loved plateau 3 and 4. But this is not for those with a bad past. Or a weak mentality. You will see shit you can never possibly conceive to imagine and it is often negative. I have many stories about it. Also you can't pee and in the morning you get a woody bigger than a stallion.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: My scariest was I was at the dinner table at home. No arms or legs. Father was feeding me. Then after he put me in a bath. Then the phone rang. I slipped down and because of no arms and legs I can't reach the surface of the water to breath. The experience is so real.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I think zorz is around 75 KG. So 12 pills he can hit plateau one.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I use to weigh the guys before selling the product and tell them how many they can take for each plateu
<SiFuh>
July 11 2009 is the date I stopped all bad shit and it was around 2014 when Karma stopped kicking my arse
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: karma basically means what goes around comes around. But what they never teach is that one bad thing, karma kicks your arse at-the-least 3 times over.
<SiFuh>
I reckon you will get three and possibly about a woman
<SiFuh>
Or a friend
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: You forgot something in Penang. If it was by choice, Karma is coming to you.
<farkuhar>
Okay, at 75 kg I can understand the temptation to wear skinny jeans. But it also depends on where that mass is distributed, and how tall he is.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Youa re not heavier that zorz
<SiFuh>
zorz is following the fashion of that area
<SiFuh>
Why else do most Europeans look like faggots until they become old people?
<farkuhar>
You're talking about the consequences of following fashions?
<SiFuh>
If he lived in the northern parts, he'd be wearing addias track suits.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I think you missed what I was saying. I might let you ponder it for awhile. You forgot something in Penang.
<SiFuh>
Anyways almost 7am here. I need to start preparing my mind and pray to God.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: By the way, had a good debate with this A.I. bullshit today. Decimated it again. I need a new one but zorz has run out.
<farkuhar>
Ask the A.I. to solve your python3 bootstrapping problems. That's a better use of the technology than some frivolous debate.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I did it failed
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Also asked it about httpup and I burst out laughing because it has no idea
* farkuhar
bursts out laughing too
<SiFuh>
I usually use it explain error codes to me. But then it gives me solutions which are also just shit.
<SiFuh>
There was one it said I need to change some code but it was like blur blur blur breif and I managed to do it on my own but thanks to it pointing it out.
<SiFuh>
Everything else, I just wet my pants laughing because it is so dumb oh and ChatGPT is only allowed to access data from 2013 until 2023 which I can't believe because even the bot lies like a liberal.
<SiFuh>
I think I will go BMXing tomorrow.
<SiFuh>
Well today
<SiFuh>
Wish I was 20 years old again and had the number for the hospital. I think it is 911 here now. :-P
<farkuhar>
That's the sign of someone whose sleep schedule is misaligned. It's 7am in your time zone and you refer to today's plans as tomorrow's.
<SiFuh>
999 hahaha I was close
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I worked nights longer than most CRUX users have lived ;-)
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: It's actually a problem because I still can't shake it.
<SiFuh>
And worse still. I can see in the dark, but in the day light, it hurts
<SiFuh>
last year I forced myself from 2300 to 0500 to sleep it lasted about a month.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Hah last 'camping' trip. The autistic kid is down below my truck. "ARE YOU AWAKE? ARE YOU AWAKE?" and I shouted back "NO!" hahah
<SiFuh>
His father asked me, "Why stop swimming early?" I pointed to his son and the father nodded his head. That kid is awesome but fucking hell, he is also like a leach. Can't get rid of him.
<SiFuh>
I just want to be alone. This kid is 2mm from my face spitting on me whilst he talks. I push him away and he comes back. Fucking boomerang.
<SiFuh>
We had a stone (Old game from when I was kid) balancing on a rock. You had to throw stone at it to knock it down. Fucking kid kept walking between our stone throws. Like dude. Seriously. Get the fuck out of the way.
<SiFuh>
Heh, actually he has never thrown a stone before. Looked like a retarded version of Pee Wee Herman. I taught him. He can now throw over 6 feet. Cool!
<farkuhar>
In the httpup ChangeLog, the only entries from 2013 to 2023 are a gcc 4.7 compilation fix by jw, a replacement of egrep by jaeger, and an entry by frinnst (who couldn't be bothered to copy from the git log). Maybe you didn't ask an A.I. with such a narrow date restriction, but if you asked ChatGPT, I'm not surprised it came up empty.
<SiFuh>
I have a slingshot that only I am strong enough to pull back. Fsckkkkkk this kid keeps taking it and can't do shit with it. I ended up putting it back in my truck. It is designed for killing small animals
<SiFuh>
frinnst is a legend and no longer works on CRUX. He did good work in the day.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: He was pissed when beerman kicked out fluxbox. A port that never needs to be maintained
<farkuhar>
Whoops, the gcc 4.7 compilation fix actually predates the window 2013 to 2023. Even slimmer pickings for ChatGPT to learn from.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: ChatGPT is a fucking liar. I didn't believe for a second what it said
<farkuhar>
darfo just sent the crux mailing list his reaction (mostly negative) to adding libbsd and libmd as new core ports. Interesting reading, if you haven't seen it yet.
<SiFuh>
He's right
<SiFuh>
No need to read
<SiFuh>
Both are a pain in my dick
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Maybe we should fork crux to be a little less bloated. CRUX-3.8-(Unbloated).iso
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: No need to duplicate the effort you're already putting into CRUX-MUSL. That's the fork that should be advertised for users who want an unbloated installation.
<SiFuh>
WE will see and I don't understand why it needs ot advertised.
<SiFuh>
Anyway, I am done. Back whenever I feel like it.
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<SiFuh>
By the way. Good luck with the microwave one