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* SiFuh
slaps zorz with a bit of a limb from a cadaver
* zorz
slaps SiFuh with a trout instead of salmon - fuction reloaded
<zorz>
hahaha
<zorz>
SiFuh: speaking with alaska, last night i changed my transparent tor proxy from iptables to nftables and checking the dns leaks look where it connected me hahahaa
<SiFuh>
zorz: Einstein is a dumb fuck with a very low IQ and the king of plageurizing.
<SiFuh>
zorz: I just discovered that Kuala means Estuary and Lumpur means Mud
<zorz>
come on, Einstein dumb?
<SiFuh>
zorz: Only dumb people think he was smart
<SiFuh>
Even Tesla considered him a blithering idiot
<farkuhar>
zorz: Even beerman is not crazy enough to try packaging Ghostty for CRUX (probably because of the Zig dependency). But he's quite willing to help darfo with foo terminal (AKA foot) when it triggers an unwanted reverse-video effect in vim.
<SiFuh>
Hantu Jarang Gigi
<farkuhar>
I'm still puzzled that I somehow installed gvim on 2024-11-27 (intentionally, not to satisfy a dependency), yet for 2+ months never consciously launched it. I'm leaning toward the explanation "fat-fingered an install command", because my day-to-day workflow hasn't included a gvim session in recent years.
<SiFuh>
I don't know why anyone would need a GUI version of VIM
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<SiFuh>
farkuhar: What the fuck is a smores?
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Nevermind, I found it S'mores what a dumb word
<SiFuh>
S'more is a contraction of the phrase "some more". The first known s'more recipe appeared in a "Campfire Marshmallows" cookbook in the early 1920s,[1][2] where it was called a "Graham Cracker Sandwich"
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: Are you sure you want to be answering "yes" in #crux to the question of having "foot terminfo installed too"? That final "too" is implying "along with foot itself", which would require you to have a Wayland environment installed.
<farkuhar>
zorz: Maybe he was drunk and didn't realize what he was answering yes to.
<SiFuh>
I was copying darfo
<farkuhar>
And darfo was answering beerman's question about foot terminfo.
<SiFuh>
Now all we need is everyone else to say "No"
<farkuhar>
But beerman wasn't asking everyone else. He was trying to help darfo troubleshoot a reverse video problem with vim in a particular terminal emulator.
<SiFuh>
Still a No
<farkuhar>
#crux is not the channel to play games. We come here for that.
<SiFuh>
I play where I want
<zorz>
farkuhar: file a civil lawsuit, plaintiff is SiFuh :P
<zorz>
hahahah
<SiFuh>
zorz: Wouldn't that make farkuhar the plaintiff?
<SiFuh>
And I'd be the defendant
<zorz>
yes correct
<zorz>
heh
<zorz>
farkuhar the plaintiff!!!
<zorz>
Free SiFuh !
<SiFuh>
Just a stab in the dark, but I always the plaintiff, came from the word com'plaint'. So the whining little bitch cry baby, makes a complaint and wants his parents to step in because he can't handle it himself like the little girl he is.
<SiFuh>
So that is how I remember plaintiff.
<SiFuh>
And the defendant defends himself from the cry baby soy boy bitch
<SiFuh>
I always thought the*
<SiFuh>
zorz: I remember the old speeding tickets use to have the word 'complainant' and that was where the Police officer wrote his name.
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: "I play where I want" <- Who do you think you are, Elon Musk?
<SiFuh>
When the magistrate system took over in Australia the ticket changed where I was to say "Officer: _____"
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Elon Musk is a moron. I would never consider myself to be as dumb as him :-P
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: It is weird to me that people think that if you are a philanthropist with a lot of money it automagically makes you a genius. It also sickens me because they all could be replaced with planks of dry tiber and they'd still do an equally good job.
<zorz>
farkuhar: Democracy, free speech.... live the man alone. SiFuh is a harrasor for the harrasment :-P
<SiFuh>
But ppetrov^ is here so we can't talk highly of Nikola Tesla, who I do consider a genius.
<zorz>
from*
<SiFuh>
Democracy != free speech
<zorz>
Serbian Good people Orthodox
<SiFuh>
Democracy has and always will be the first step towards Communism or Fascism
<zorz>
Democracy is an illusion, that people live with it.
<zorz>
they vote and they think the vote counts hahahahahahhaa
<SiFuh>
I realised in 1988 that Democracy was a scam, parroted by people who want to enslave you "Jones Plantation" style.
<zorz>
shit i missed the spike... going away.
<SiFuh>
I have been anti-democratic since my realisation and no one has ever been able to prove it to be a good system.
<SiFuh>
So fuck you Greeks and your bullshit Democracy.
<ppetrov^>
SiFuh, why not?
<SiFuh>
Actually there is a great article written for anyone interested. I will need to search it though
<SiFuh>
Oh and farkuhar I discovered why I use cat ... |grep and not just grep
<SiFuh>
No zorz Americans don't just go around killing people. They are democrat programmed robots that do it.
<zorz>
SiFuh: americas -bureaucracy is the same even worst than Greece.
<SiFuh>
They keep pushing the school shooting agenda by creating the problem then making a solution to take away your right to bare arms. But no one is falling for it, except dumb Greeks and stupid Australians and British.
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<zorz>
republic republic... remember gladiator I, give them the colosseum :-)
<zorz>
americans have super bowl
<SiFuh>
zorz did you see this? Trump’s FBI Has Given Alex Jones Previously Secret DOJ Documents Detailing A Major Government Operation Dating From 2013 to 2025 Listing Jones and His Organization InfoWars As A “National Security Terror Threat” To Be “Investigated”, “Targeted”, And “Dismantled”.
<SiFuh>
zorz: The other day Trump invited Alex to the Whitehouse with Stone. And some clown comes online and asks Alex "Where is your source?" and Alex replies.... "Err, the President of the United States"
<SiFuh>
zorz: When I lived in the US, all I was interested in was Ice Hockey and Demi Moore :-P
<zorz>
nice interests!
<SiFuh>
I was living in RI but my favorite team was The Washington Captials. The goalie was Jim Carey
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: so was it the bureaucracy destroying america article that explains why you use cat ... |grep and not just grep? Or was it the IRC log where you told ppetrov^ what a genius Tesla was?
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: "take away your right to bare arms" would be the solution to a different problem. Sales slump hitting long-sleeve shirt makers, perhaps?
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Taking away anyones right to bare arms is what an enemy wants.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: If I want to try multiple ways to grep something using only grep. grep <something here> file.name
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: But if I use cat. cat file.name |grep <something here> So I can easily up arrow and delete the <something here> and change it to <something else> as opposed to grep I need to skip back passed the file.name. Editing the end is clearly easier
<SiFuh>
I knew there was a reason why I started doing it that way, I have been doing it so long, I kind of forgot. But two days ago I was using cat and grep and then it occurred to me why I did it that way.
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<farkuhar>
But what if the part of the command you want to edit is not the search pattern, but the filename? Then editing the end of "grep $pattern $filename" is easier. I guess it all depends on which part of the command you consider fixed, and which part is subject to change during rapid iteration.
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<farkuhar>
Anyway, SiFuh clearly missed my joke about "bare arms". What that spelling implies is too much skin exposed (hence the joke about a slump in sales of long-sleeve shirts), whereas "bear arms" is the spelling you use when referring to carrying weapons.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: You clearly missed my point too
<SiFuh>
I want to modify the pattern
<farkuhar>
Interesting. Lately I find myself equipped with a known pattern (from the error message that terminates a build), but I don't know which source file or system header might contain that pattern. At least in that case, "grep $pattern $filename" is easier to iterate with.
<SiFuh>
Yeah but your not searching log files for a specific phrase you are trying to remember and filter through.
<SiFuh>
"I'm hungry" "I am hungry" "Hungry I am"
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: You have the right to give bears arms.
<farkuhar>
Actually, the build log usually gives enough detail to know the source file that stopped the build, so I don't need much iteration of the grep command there. It's searching the system headers that takes multiple iterations.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Yeah, but your build logs don't have zorz-English in them ;-)
<farkuhar>
Not yet, but wait until he gets a PR merged into one of the python codebases. Then I might start seeing zorz-English in the build logs.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Still, my way is way more efficient for the tasks I mostly use if for.
<SiFuh>
if/it*
<farkuhar>
You know that shell redirection can eliminate the extra cat process, right? Try it this way: < $filename grep $pattern
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Do I look like a traffic controller to you?
<farkuhar>
If you did look like an ATC, you would have been welcome in Washington DC on Wednesday night. Apparently they were understaffed, assigning one person the work of two ATCs.
<SiFuh>
Mexican flags?
<SiFuh>
If they are so pro-Mexico then go the fuck home.
<SiFuh>
I actually it think it should be illegal to wave a foreign nations flag. But legal to wave the old US flags after they whooped the British asses
<farkuhar>
No, the work was to guide the incoming planes onto the runway safely, and ensure no collisions. But with one person pulling double-duty, it was only a matter of time before a collision took place.
<SiFuh>
What the fuck was a military helicopter flying so high to begin with?
<SiFuh>
Why*
<farkuhar>
They say it was a "Continuity of Government" training op. Practice flying the military helicopter to a safe location. Too bad they forgot the part about flying within the designated corridor.
<SiFuh>
They are NOT allowed to fly above a certain ceiling height when passing through airports
<SiFuh>
Pretty sure DC is 200 feet is the maximum height they legally can fly
<SiFuh>
"Administration charts show helicopters in the corridor must be at or below 200 feet above sea level. "
<SiFuh>
That would be funny if the airport was 199.9 feet above sea level :-P
<SiFuh>
Australia is the same. They have a ceiling height passing through airports or heavy air traffic zones (Corridors as you say)
<SiFuh>
dlcusa would be the guy to ask about this probably.
<SiFuh>
It's like a spider web. Planes just can't fly anywhere. They have paths they must take. And depending on the direction they have specific heights they can use. I can't remember exactly but I think odd numbers are North to South and even numbers are East to West.
<SiFuh>
'All aircraft flying at the altitudes shown on their instruments are separated vertically by at least 1,000ft'
<SiFuh>
'Aircraft flying on a heading between North and South (000-179 degrees) fly at an odd flight level '
<SiFuh>
'Aircraft flying on a heading between South and North (180-359 degrees) fly at an even flight level'
<SiFuh>
Heh
<farkuhar>
So what do traffic controllers have to do with shell redirections? You're routing the underlying data the same way as you would with the pipeline and cat, you just avoid spawning the extra cat process.
<SiFuh>
Traffic Control = vehicles on land. Not AIR Traffic Control
<SiFuh>
Stop speed reading
<SiFuh>
I don't like cats. But they do taste good.
<SiFuh>
^ zorz Sentences like that screw up farkuhar's speed reading :-P
<farkuhar>
It was your first response after I suggested an alternative template for what you had been doing with cat. "Do I look like a traffic controller to you?"
<SiFuh>
Traffic Control = vehicles on land. Not AIR Traffic Control
<SiFuh>
You are the one that mentioned to ATC
<SiFuh>
I mentioned TC only
<SiFuh>
Stop watching CNN, it's rotting your brain :-P
<farkuhar>
Fine, by restricting to ground-based transportation we eliminate the vertical dimension, so the analogy with interactive shell becomes more plausible. But each command line is still essentially one-dimensional. If you want truly two-dimensional commands, you have to adopt an interface like the Plan9 terminal, and then the traffic controller analogy would fit better.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: You said "You know that shell redirection" <-- Traffic control. :-P
<farkuhar>
It even saves you a few keystrokes to do it as: < $filename grep $pattern.
<SiFuh>
Maybe
<SiFuh>
But the joke comes from Mortal Kombat (1995) "Do I look like your secretary" - Sonya to Cage. "Do I look like your travel agent" - Cage to Sonya. Wife and I use this a lot. "Do I look like your maid?" "Do I look like your butler?" just to name a couple.
<farkuhar>
Fewer characters to type, a few less entries in the process table, what's not to like?
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I can imagine traffic detour signs abolish the word DETOUR and use only <
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: One thing that shits me about working in Australia is everything is now acronymns. Then enter Malaysia. EVERYTHING is acronymns.
<SiFuh>
Fucking beerman language
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: The audience for those traffic signs is a human behind the wheel, so it helps to be extra unambiguous when writing them. Meanwhile, the only audience for a shell command is the interactive shell; as long as it knows to do the right thing with what you typed, there's no need to issue a more verbose command.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I would like to shove that shell where the sun don't shine
<SiFuh>
I will practice to use this <
<SiFuh>
Only because you insist
<SiFuh>
See if I can break the habit
<SiFuh>
Or break a hobbit trying to break the habit
<farkuhar>
SiFuh brings up Mortal Kombat (1995); zorz brings up Gladiator (2000). Is it a coincidence, or are there 30- and 25-year anniversary edition DVDs filling up retail shelves this year?
<farkuhar>
It would be a sad testimony to the state of modern cinema, if movie studios had to dip into their back catalogs from 25 and 30 years ago because audiences aren't satisfied with what the studios are putting out these days.
<SiFuh>
It is
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I remember when Jews were not even allowed to be in Holywood movies.
<SiFuh>
I watched a lot of old movies when I was a kid.
<SiFuh>
I tried to watch three movies movies tonight. Two I closed already. I managed to suffer through Sonic 3 though.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: There was one scene I laughed at. The mad scientist guy says to his hand computer thing. "Set up defense" and suddenly he is surrounded by a white picket fence and a mail box. He the shouts "Damn you, autocorrect!"
<SiFuh>
zorz: Americanism means the virtues of courage, honor, justic, truth, sincerity, and hardihood - the virtues that made America. - Teddy Roosevelt