<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: The snake wasn't moving at all, all night. I thought maybe it is dead or dying. If so, I would take it home and cook it up. So I grabbed the snake and shook it. Then it flicked its tongue a few times. In the morning it was moving so slowly it would take an hour to move a few centimetres. But as soon as the sun warmed it up it just slid away like a normal snake.
<zorz>
SiFuh: show it to lavaball... paedoball will tell us :)
<zorz>
hahaha
<SiFuh>
No, he is a creepy faggot
<zorz>
hahahha
<zorz>
anyway... going to sleep man.... hope you enjoy it. talk to you later.
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<lavaball>
did you see, ppetrov^ explained it too.
<lavaball>
?
<lavaball>
anyway, as i said, things start to add up. i'm just waiting for the next thing.
<ppetrov^>
that half a person still bothering you, lavaball ?
<lavaball>
what bothers me is him not admitting that he was wrong. the delusions are annoying.
<ppetrov^>
what was he wrong about? I am not following your discussion
<lavaball>
especially since he then tried to turn it around on me and pretend my english wasn't good enough to explain it. especially because that makes no sense at all. it was simple math. if he had understood it there wouldn't have been any explanation necessary.
<lavaball>
remember the thing i asked you about the 0.5 in a million?
<lavaball>
what i said, the half person thing, was what he said.
<ppetrov^>
yes
<lavaball>
you explained it the same way i did. but he just didn't accept it.
<lavaball>
at some point he said the 0.5 meant 5000. so i said the upper rows than means of 1 miliion people vaxxed 6 million people died, because 600%?
<ppetrov^>
i'll leave you two at it
<lavaball>
you shoudl have yesterday, when i asked remiliascarlet. i was curious if she understands it.
<ppetrov^>
if 0.5 was a percent, then you'll calculate from it. But if i remember correctly itw as just total number per 2 mil
<ppetrov^>
i was dealing with CPPFLAGS, LDFLAGS and other pleasant stuff
<lavaball>
it was cases in million vaxxed. so you said correctly yesterday, that that means 1 death in 2 million.
<lavaball>
anyway, water is hot. gotta clean stuff.
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: Per 1 million.
<SiFuh>
But dick fuck kept using 2 million and flipping back and forth like he knows shit but his English was so fucking poor, I just ended up putting him on ignore. Listening to his 6 year old childish ranting was enough.. Fucking child this idiot is. Such a fool.
<ppetrov^>
sigh...
<SiFuh>
Yeah, I stopped giving a shit days ago.
<SiFuh>
But it is funny to see people talking and no context.
<lavaball>
SiFuh, the logs don't lie.
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<lavaball>
hm, seems he actually ignores me like a bitch. i guess i violated his safe space.
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<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: Funny how when I need lavaball to talk he is silent. But when I don't care for him he harrasses the shit out of everyone.
<SiFuh>
I am modifying a perl script so I can see if he has talked but shows nothing.
<lavaball>
safe space secured!
<lavaball>
also if you have me on ignore, how did you know what i said when i came in?
<lavaball>
again, talking out of your ass it seems.
<SiFuh>
Heh, it says FOOL> and nothing afterwards
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<lavaball>
i couldn't make this shit up if i tried.
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<SiFuh_>
Hmm
<SiFuh_>
Almost got the script working
<lavaball>
jsut be careful not to have any simple math in there.
<farkuhar>
Solar absorption, heh. Is zorz traveling abroad this week, or just working the night shift? Falling asleep at 04:42 UTC, if he's still in Greece, would deprive him of the health benefits of natural light.
<SiFuh>
Not sure. I did find it curious though he was to sleep at a certain irregular time.
<SiFuh>
Any perl scripters here?
<farkuhar>
Or maybe zorz is following lavaball's example and starting to take naps. But he could have worded it better if he wanted to say he was taking a nap.
<SiFuh>
zorz has a siesta quite regulary actually
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: funny you should ask. I just started hacking on the perl scripts pkg-get.pl and pkg-repgen.pl again, after finally setting up an NFS server to share the packages built by my CRUX-MUSL desktop.
<SiFuh>
I was modifying a perl script for IRSSI so that when I put someone on /ignore I can still see them sending messages but the contents of their messages are censored. So blank
<SiFuh>
So now when lavaball sends something all I see is [Luser lavaball> and nothing after. The idea is so that when people are replying to his bullshit, I will then know it isn't some random out of place, out of context thing
<farkuhar>
I was reading somewhere that DNS resolution in musl does not support as many features as glibc, which could explain why the sysklogd startup seems to be delayed for 2-3 seconds, on first boot of a CRUX-MUSL machine. There's no such detectable delay on a CRUX machine with glibc.
<lavaball>
as if that matters. he doesn't understand context anyway, which we have established several times already.
<farkuhar>
If I modify /etc/rc.d/sysklogd to force it into the background (thereby hiding the delay), then /etc/rc.d/crond will spam the console (because it cannot connect to the syslog daemon yet), and /etc/rc.d/nfsserver will hang indefinitely.
<farkuhar>
So I've resorted to manually launching nfsserver after logging in, but that's not an ideal solution. Maybe I should just tolerate the 2-3 second delay when starting sysklogd; it's not as if I need to do a cold boot very often.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Get someone else to boot it. That way you don't have wait the 2-3 seconds, they will :-P
<farkuhar>
Anyway, now that nfsserver is running and sharing the packages built on my CRUX-MUSL desktop, I discovered several possible improvements in the pkg-get and pkg-repgen perl scripts. So if SiFuh wants any perl scripting advice, I'll be happy to take a look.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I am using $nick on line 8 because the original $nick on line 10 just shows a space. :-/
<farkuhar>
The theme_register function expects as input a bracket-enclosed list with an even number of elements, interpreted as (format_name, format_spec) pairs?
<SiFuh>
Yes
<SiFuh>
The script is working, but it is wrong.
<farkuhar>
Then maybe your use of $nick on line 8 or 10 is an instance of what ukky would call "in a different scope", unable to be interpolated using a value outside that scope.
<SiFuh>
I didn't do like 10. That was from the original script. I modified line 8
<SiFuh>
Line 8 was actually at line 5 in the original script. I moved down so $nick would work at line 8
<farkuhar>
The positions $0 and $1 in that example appear to be the renumbering you would get after popping off the first two arguments passed to printformat().
<remiliascarlet>
Rewind for lavaball: "anyway, you should have explained the table for me." You should have not forced me some stupid table down my throat.
<remiliascarlet>
Rewind for lavaball: I know the table is about the lethal injections, but the idiots took it, the weak are going to die or get extremely sick, it's their own fault, and I don't care. As long as the people I care about are fine, whether 1 person, 0 people, or 0.5 people died is none of my concerns.
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: what is wrong with the way your IRSSI script is working now? Line 10 calls printformat() and you get a blank space instead of the nick?
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Yes, so I just basically bypassed all that by injection $nick into 'luser'
<SiFuh>
$srv->printformat($dst, MSGLEVEL_PUBLIC, "luser" <--- prints my $nick addition from line 8, $nick); <--- This prints a blank space
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Probably the second $nick thinks lavaball's head is empty so doesn't print anything but an empty space.
<farkuhar>
Try defining theme_register outside the handle_msg sub, but using positional parameters instead of global variables, like the example on lines 222--225 of the codeberg page I shared above.
<SiFuh>
Maybe tomorrow afternoon I will try that. Got some old marmalade I made from more than 2 years ago that I want to convert into alcohol.
<farkuhar>
Speaking of terminal-based IRC clients, how does IRSSI respond to mouse-wheel events? Can you scroll up through the chat log with the mouse wheel instead of the keyboard?
<SiFuh>
Not that I am aware of
<farkuhar>
I found at least one combination where the mouse wheel can scroll back through the chat history. I'm not sure if it can be reproduced outside of the specific triplet I'm using for [terminal emulator, terminal multiplexer/detacher, IRC client].
<SiFuh>
I tried with Xterm, Screen and ST
<farkuhar>
[Zutty, tmux, catgirl] is the triplet where I got mouse-wheel scrolling to work. It's easy to replace the first element to test the role of the terminal emulator, but to test the other two elements I would have to log off, log in again, and wait for a long enough history to accumulate.
<SiFuh>
Wait till zorz returns
<lavaball>
remiliascarlet, "force some". there should be no "me" in there. and i didn't force anything. that's your fantasies again. I asked you to explain it. you avoiding it tells me everything i need to know though. thanks.
<remiliascarlet>
You're the one fantasising. You kept insisting me to look at the table and explain you despite me saying I don't the time for that, which is clearly forcing.
<lavaball>
i asked you maybe twice.
<lavaball>
and "insisting me" isn't right either. insisting on me looking at ...
<lavaball>
i didn't even have time to insist on anything anwyay, since ppetrov^ jumped in and explained it.
<lavaball>
yeah, i just checked. i asked. you came with some anime refrence. i said look at the table. you said you have more important things to do, and then i asked you if have looked at the table.
<lavaball>
that's it. you can hardly call that insisting.
<lavaball>
seriously, these logs are great.
<farkuhar>
Hmm, there shouldn't be any duplicate entries created by running prt-get like this, https://git.crux.nu/farkuhar/pkg-get/src/branch/master/scripts/pkg-repgen.pl#L83 , even if a port appears in more than one repo. So it's not pkg-repgen that I need to patch here, but rather my perl rewrite of prt-get. Anyway, the companion script pkg-get.pl definitely has some problems that need fixing.
<remiliascarlet>
Ah, I see. I tried to look up at "Sun 544 S-4/5" earlier, but found no real answers.
<remiliascarlet>
From 1994, so probably even older than the MIPS CPU in an SGI Indy.
<remiliascarlet>
SGI Indy: 1993
<remiliascarlet>
Guess it's newer then.
<remiliascarlet>
Funny to see how Alpha, MIPS, and SPARC were already rocking on 64-bits in the early 1990s, while Intel, AMD, and PowerPC were yet to transition to 32-bit.
<SiFuh>
I loved Sparc. Awesome hardware.
<remiliascarlet>
RISC in general is really nice, the only downside from what I can see nowadays is that OS's seemingly have to support each individual device rather than each individual driver.
<SiFuh>
Hmm, S-4/5 looks like it is Fujitsu
<remiliascarlet>
Yeah, the seller doesn't even know much about this specific model himself.
<remiliascarlet>
Can't even test, because he lacks a connector for the monitor.
<ppetrov^>
SiFuh, what's the font in the screenshot?
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: smoothansi
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I don't see any refrence to S-4/5 except on Japanese websites.
<ppetrov^>
farkuhar, did you somehow rename lavaball?
<lavaball>
did he?
<farkuhar>
Hmm, IRSSI doesn't make it quite as easy to scroll back through the chat history. First, it doesn't recognize the mouse wheel, and second, it seems to require a keyboard with a PageUp key. Changing the default bindings is what I would do, if I were to use IRSSI on a device with truncated keyboard.
<farkuhar>
I guess SiFuh prefers IRSSI because of its scripting capabilities. But as far as user-friendliness goes, I prefer a client that makes the chat history more readily accessible.
<farkuhar>
So to answer ppetrov^s question: it was SiFuh's new IRSSI script that suppressed all the messages from lavaball. I had nothing to do with those conspicuous blanks in SiFuh's screenshot.
<ppetrov^>
farkuhar, i use hexchat
<ppetrov^>
i find IRC too complicated
<ppetrov^>
:P
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Try using alt + n and alt + p
<SiFuh>
You can also use esc then p and esc then n
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<farkuhar>
Up-arrow and mouse wheel are both intercepted by IRSSI and interpreted the same way that a shell would go through your history of recent commands. That UX is more appropriate for entering commands at a prompt than for sending messages to other humans. With human interlocutors, you can rely on their awareness of context, you shouldn't have to repeat yourself over and over again.
<farkuhar>
So a friendlier UX would make it harder to repeat your latest posts verbatim, and repurpose those keys (or mouse events) for functions better aligned with the flow of human conversation (e.g., scroll back to recall what everyone was talking about recently).
<farkuhar>
Alt + n or Alt + p or Esc then p or Esc then n, it's good that those combinations exist, but a feature like scroll back should arguably take fewer key strokes to accomplish.
<farkuhar>
Repeating yourself verbatim, like what remiliascarlet did in answer to lavaball's request that she look at a table, now that's a feature we could relegate to a combination like Alt + p or Esc then p. No need to make it so easy for people to zorz the channel.
<lavaball>
whoever added the logs, give him my thanks.
<lavaball>
then again, you can always write a script to form your own reality.
<zorz>
yes I forgot you are in the tropical Finland
<ppetrov^>
:P
<ppetrov^>
it's funny, bulgarians are whining about "summer is gone"
<ppetrov^>
man, it's like 20 C in Sofia and it's expected to get to 29 in 3 days
<zorz>
ppetrov^: do you use aircondition in Finland ?
<farkuhar>
zorz: who said anything about Finland?
<zorz>
pp
<farkuhar>
zorz: when you mentioned going to sleep at 04:42 UTC, it made me wonder what time zone you were in. Or did you just get back from working a night shift?
<zorz>
3
<zorz>
+3 UTC
<zorz>
no man i was bullshiting around fixing some things
<farkuhar>
What kind of things needed fixing? Mechanical, digital, or interpersonal?
<zorz>
everything :)
<zorz>
anyway... going to sleep... now as a normal person
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<farkuhar>
Oh, I guess we'll have to wait another day for his finished pipman fork.
<farkuhar>
I was really looking forward to seeing the completed version on Monday as he promised.
<ppetrov^>
farkuhar, he promised me the tool for last thursday
<ppetrov^>
:P
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