<SiFuh>
Hmm, I bought 2 kilo of Beef liver for Aunt Sally. She ate the beef, the bread, the garlic, the beans but she threw the beef liver out and refuses to eat it.
<SiFuh>
That is undogly like
<SiFuh>
She actually physically picked it up. And walked away from her bowl and dropped it on the ground. Piece by piece.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: We went to a restaurant today. She says "You need to clean the mud off the bag you have. It is dirty and people will think you are". I turned to the customers in the restaurant. "Hey! You guys think I am dirty because my bag is dirty?" Her face went bright red. A woman shook her head 'no' and a guy shouts back "Why is it dirty?" I said "4x4 off road. Jeram Janggut. It's a souvenir" Everyone
<SiFuh>
who understood English started laughing. Then the entire restaurant's atmosphere changed. Everyone was talking with everyone else like one big giant family.
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<ppetrov^>
farkuhar, https://crux.nu/Main/Development has links to commit timeline for core and opt ports, but not for xorg and contrib. Why is that? Would be nice to have all in one place. Of course, I can follow the links and find xorg and contrib myself, bu that's not the point.
<ppetrov^>
And another questions. Wouldn't it be possible to make a something like a dynamically updating ChangeLog, which lists all commit changes in core, opt, xorg and contrib?. So we have it all in a single, centralized place? Any changes and notifications will be easy to follow from such a single, centralized place.
<ppetrov^>
i've been thinking about that, since I had an issue with samba and ldb (overlapping files after samba update). If i had read the commit [notify] I would've known. Having it all summarized might make it a habit
<ppetrov^>
yes, something like this SiFuh
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: It should be written in Aramaic to piss off beerman ;-)
<ppetrov^>
bonus would be if the ChangeLog has lins to git
<SiFuh>
Easier than being spammed in IRC
<ppetrov^>
I do not intend to stirr conflicts
<ppetrov^>
i like cruxbot
<SiFuh>
If a bot can spam it. Certainly a bot can dump it into a webpage
<ppetrov^>
however, i do not follow the channel all the time and cruxbot's messages can easily get overlooked
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: That is why we have farkuhar
<ppetrov^>
heh
<ppetrov^>
farkuhar, I do not _insist on_ or _demand_ anything, just thought it'd be nice
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: In the middle of the URL I posted for OpenBSD it has Updated libxkbfile to 1.1.3. and so on.
<ppetrov^>
and CRUX is the type of distro where it's important to follow what's changes
<ppetrov^>
SiFuh, yes
<SiFuh>
But it would be more unique than CRUX since OpenBSD has it's own kernel to modify
<ppetrov^>
now we wait for zorz to tell us how wonderful OpenBSD's ChangeLog is
<ppetrov^>
or is it Arch at the moment?
<ppetrov^>
:P
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: What would be really cool too is that if an error results from a port update and someone fixes it there should be in brackets a warning and how to fix it.
<SiFuh>
Arch at the moment... That's mother f*scking used distro whore salesman
<SiFuh>
That*
<SiFuh>
Bet that sentence has never been used before
<ppetrov^>
yes and then we ask dear farkuhar to implement in his prt-get the functionality to show the latest changelog between system updates everytime you do prt-get diff
<ppetrov^>
:P
<ppetrov^>
ok, just kidding
<SiFuh>
When I was studying Linguistics the professor said "Everyday, somebody will invent a new sentence never spoken before"
<ppetrov^>
o_O
<SiFuh>
He was a moron anyway.
<SiFuh>
He was teaching us China Chinese Japan Japanese Britain British and so on and he was trying to teach us a rule that didn't even work. I said what about Thailand and Thai? because it didn't fit his rules and he replied "Thailand don't call their people Thais because that isn't English"
<ppetrov^>
emm...
<SiFuh>
Started a huge debate in the class. I said okay Zhong Guo and Zhong Ren... So why did you say China and Chinese?
<SiFuh>
I was studying level 1 and level 3 in the same days. Which you don't do. I liked level 3
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<farkuhar>
ppetrov^: you're not subscribed to the CRUX mailing list? It's not as active now compared to when threads like misterbzr's could elicit replies from beerman. Now all it gets are cruxbot [notify] threads, harder to get overlooked than cruxbot's IRC postings.
<ppetrov^>
well, i do not want to subscribe to yet another mailing list
<ppetrov^>
and getting email after email is not the same as having the info at-a-glance
<ppetrov^>
but, as i said: i was just thinking out loud. Keep it as you like
<farkuhar>
Another option is to sync your repos with git, set up cgit to communicate with a lightweight web server, and browse http://localhost to see all the latest commits.
<ppetrov^>
nope :)
<ppetrov^>
it's OK, really. WIll just dig in git and whine if sth breaks
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: The CRUX mailing list annoys me. I get the blur blur blur and I don't understand it and close it.
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: very few emails are sent
<farkuhar>
Hmm, grepping for "[notify]" one repo at a time, that wouldn't satisfy ppetrov^s criterion for a "single, centralized place". You'd have to aggregate all the results before presenting them to the user.
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<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Mostly it could be automated anyway. But when it comes to fixes that would probably need to manually be put in.
<ppetrov^>
farkuhar, don't mind ppetrov^'s opinion :P
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: I like your idea
<SiFuh>
I even think it is a much needed thing. In fact if there was a link to the changelogs on the main page of crux or the download page. It would probably stop people joining the channel and asking if CRUX is dead
<ppetrov^>
SiFuh, having ideas is easy. making them happen is another story
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: having ideas is easy. making them happen is another beerman speedbump story
<ppetrov^>
heh
<SiFuh>
I was pissed off when I tried to sell nftables to CRUX and he basically squashed it and put me down. Then several years later he steals my nftables port and puts it into CRUX.
<ppetrov^>
i have heard that story
<SiFuh>
Still bugs me and I have a memory like an elephant
<ppetrov^>
makes two of us
<ppetrov^>
the memory thing
<ppetrov^>
i dont even know what nftables is
<SiFuh>
My tyre guy who hangs out with me sometimes and drinks my homebrew asked me oneday "We have met before at a restaraunt near Ayin's workshop, right?" I said "yeah, it was New years three years ago. I came out and cheers to you and the other Chinese and Tamil guy. He sells car parts. You were wearing a blue-green t-shirt and I patted your left shoulder as I walked by."
<SiFuh>
Hahahaha
<SiFuh>
nftables is a better replacement to iptables and is also has a large set of code in the kernel
<SiFuh>
Eventually iptables will be replaced with nftables or at least that is the plan
<SiFuh>
Configuring it is similar in some ways to PF from OpenBSD
<SiFuh>
But don't tell monkeyballs because he is anti PF
<ppetrov^>
no idea what pf is either
<SiFuh>
Packet Filter. The OpenBSD firewall. The god of all firewalls.
<SiFuh>
I have a feeling that someone from linux liked PF and decided to make a new firewall for Linux around the concept of PF. But that is just a thought.
<ppetrov^>
why would he be anti pf?
<SiFuh>
Some shit about what he can't do.
<SiFuh>
I just shut off when he goes into PMS mode.
<farkuhar>
SiFuh tried to sell not just nftables, but also libressl. The core team was initially reluctant to make the switch in both cases, but eventually they warmed to the nftables idea. I'm not sure whether the libressl/openssl distinction is relevant anymore, though.
<SiFuh>
Libressl doesn't work well in Linux last I checked since the upgrade to 3.x
<SiFuh>
It would have needed heavy patching for linux
<farkuhar>
ppetrov^: speaking of toolchain updates, from CRUX-MUSL 3.7 it seems rather fragile to bump the python3 version to 3.12. The build log will be littered with complaints about an unsupported platform, and then a non-trivial footprint mismatch at the end.
<SiFuh>
python3 footprint mismatches are very common.
<farkuhar>
Heh, the find_library patch is definitely non-trivial, I can see why the core team wouldn't bother to include it in the ports tree if all they plan to support is glibc.
<ppetrov^>
farkuhar, thanks for the info. So, python 2 will be dropped for good?
<farkuhar>
ppetrov^, no idea. Better to ask in #crux-devel.
<zorz>
only hackers use python2... old programs
<farkuhar>
zorz: don't reactivate the beast, you'll have to listen to ppetrov^ singing the praises of GTK2.
<SiFuh>
zorz: Ask Greece to send illegals to Turkey
<zorz>
farkuhar: if you go clean install debian, they have now gnome flashback gtk2 - xfce4 lxqt gnome etc
<zorz>
hahaha
<zorz>
SiFuh: no we need them for some time.... clean some animals from the streets.
<SiFuh>
I am for eradicating strays
<SiFuh>
Those dogs were bread for different tasks and for people. They are not bread to live on the street. Want one, go get it and take care of it. If not, put them all down
<SiFuh>
bred*
<SiFuh>
Same with cats.
<SiFuh>
In fact, cat owners should never let their cats out at night. This one pisses me off a lot. You keep your fucking cat at home.
<SiFuh>
In Australia before they banned guns. Most of the bushies (Guys who camp in the outback) carried a gun. There was a law in place that if you had a gun and saw a feral cat and you DIDN'T shoot it, you'd be fined several thousand dollars.
<SiFuh>
Cats don't belong in Australia. They were brought in. Now they are pests killing everything.
<SiFuh>
Here in Malaysia I can't walk down a road at night time. Every hundred or so metres there are packs of stray dogs and they do attack
<ppetrov^>
farkuhar, I try not to impose my opinion on others. And it's not like i love GTK2, i simply hate GTK3/4 and flat design
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I like to impose my opinion on others and GTK3/4 sucks shit.
<ppetrov^>
farkuhar, i am surprised you've even read that
<farkuhar>
What happened between python 3.10 and python 3.12 to make the find_library patch necessary on musl targets? The 3.10 branch builds fine on musl without any such patch.
<lavaball>
oh, one of you guys asked about arch. pacman doesn't support the aur so you need some helper thing, and if you aren't careful and update pacman too soon, you'll get this: paru: error while loading shared libraries: libalpm.so.14: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
<lavaball>
unless of course you compile the shit from the aur manually.
<ppetrov^>
"I cannot stand GTK3, so I prepared a set of SlackBuilds that build Xfce 14.2..."
<ppetrov^>
lavaball, there used to be yaourt
<ppetrov^>
or sth
<ppetrov^>
yet another aur tool
<ppetrov^>
to me it sounds like yogurt
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: "I am for eradicating strays" <- by eating them, perhaps?
<lavaball>
and after that yay.
<lavaball>
it means yogurt in french.
<lavaball>
the yaourt.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I have no problems with eating dogs and cats as long as it is done humanely.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I went to back of the shop wear I use to order cat meat. And when I saw how it was done, I was so disgusted, I never at there again.
<SiFuh>
ate*
<SiFuh>
where*
<SiFuh>
Never at another cat after that either.
<farkuhar>
Hmm, maybe https://peps.python.org/pep-0632/ is one of the changes that requires special handling when updating python from 3.10 to 3.12
<farkuhar>
PEP 632 seems unrelated to the find_library patch, however. Something else must have changed to make that patch necessary.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I mentioned it before. There is a law in Australia that if an animal has been named, you legally can't eat it.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: My mother was relieved when the dog got a name tag. She says "She is named! Now you can't eat her"
<ppetrov^>
farkuhar, does this 3.10 -> 3.12 change mean that you'll need to modify the python template for prtcreate?
<farkuhar>
ppetrov^: the template probably deserves some updates, yes. Ask zorz or some other python guru about the recommended packaging practices these days.
<farkuhar>
2023-11-05 commit a4ce8cb8734947f539c33ab8790913f963101b0e in the ports/core repo probably should have been prefaced by "[notify]", considering all the changes it necessitated in the python3-* ports ("Depends on" header or the build function).
<farkuhar>
... which essentially validates ppetrov^s idea for a central place showing all commits (not merely those prefaced by "[notify]")
<zorz>
i told you, fork pipman
<zorz>
yesterday i build 5 packages with pipman
<farkuhar>
Actually, I think cruxbot is only monitoring the current branch of each repo. Pushing onto the 3.8 branch a commit with the message "[notify] ..." would not trigger a cruxbot announcement, or a mailing list thread.
<lavaball>
i wanna play the video games!
<SiFuh>
Hmmm, a cat ran out in front of me and became a speed bump. Wife shouts "Why did you do that?" "Huh?"
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I ate shark today. As much as I love sharks, I wanted to try
<ppetrov^>
zorz, would you take a look at prtcreate's python templates and give feedback?
<SiFuh>
Hahaha
<ppetrov^>
i am serious, farkuhar suggested him
<SiFuh>
WHAT?
<SiFuh>
No one suggests zorz for anything
<zorz>
SiFuh jealus
<zorz>
ppetrov^: send a link i look at it later
<ppetrov^>
you just check what's in /usr/share/prtcreate/
<ppetrov^>
py3pip and puy3setup
<ppetrov^>
*py3setup
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: I wonder if paruresis can be considered an excuse to use the disabled toilets
<farkuhar>
zorz: no reason for SiFuh to be jealous, his python3-scipy port has already benefitted ppetrov^. Now it's your turn to share python packaging wisdom, and put ppetrov^s mind at ease regarding the 3.10 -> 3.12 transition.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I have updated my ports in a long time. The crux driver is dead kind of so I have been only bothering with OpenBSD these days
<SiFuh>
haven't*
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: The only reason I haven't asked CRUX to drop my repo is because there are things there in yenjie and unmaintained that others can use as a foundation
<SiFuh>
Fortunately ppetrov^ exists. He poached a lot. I haven't checked if has kept them up-to-date though
<SiFuh>
And there are some dead ports that are still useful today. Even as far as me hosting the final archive so people can still benefit from them such as whowatch
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<farkuhar>
I find it paradoxical when stenur sends me an IRC message saying he's offline. Should I infer that a bot has taken over and posted on his behalf?
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<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I messaged him this morning around 4am
<SiFuh>
Told him you are a friend and a good guy
<SiFuh>
He said he will look later is going offline
<SiFuh>
or afk...
<SiFuh>
[04 30 21] [stenur> will look
<SiFuh>
[04 31 33] [stenur> (offline now, but will do)
<SiFuh>
He's like that.
<SiFuh>
He was also notorious for us /q with a space before it and beerman tried to throttle him over his lack use IRC skills
<SiFuh>
us/using
<farkuhar>
"offline now" means something different than "going offline", to me at least. Thanks for sharing that he used the latter phrasing too, that clarifies the timeline a bit.
<SiFuh>
He's pretty bad at English although our last conversation was quite good. Maybe he is learning English?
<lavaball>
oh fuck.
<lavaball>
i gotta record the song.
<SiFuh>
Lamb Chops?
<lavaball>
sifuh! why didn't you stop me going after hte minors!
<lavaball>
why?!
<SiFuh>
It goes on and on forever dude
<SiFuh>
lavaball: I don't support paedophilia
<lavaball>
why didn't you stop me then?
<SiFuh>
leave the kids alone
<lavaball>
too late.
<lavaball>
i already got them in the bag. now i have to deliver.
<farkuhar>
lavaball: we thought the temptation of video games would be enough to distract you from the minors.
<SiFuh>
Can't wait to see you use IRC from prison
<lavaball>
if you had stopped me i could have always said it's not my fault. i didn't get necessary minors. but now?
<lavaball>
now it's all up to me.
<SiFuh>
And the law come down on yo
<SiFuh>
you
<lavaball>
also i want drums. so i have to buy and learn those too.
<lavaball>
all in the span of like 4 weeks.
<lavaball>
there is no law coming down on me.
<SiFuh>
Easy stuff. I spin the sticks in my fingers daily. Helps me type very well with many spelling mistakes and missed words
<SiFuh>
Can't blame it on the wireless keyboard anymore. Now it is officially me unless I am running a backup then USB has hiccups
<SiFuh>
But you probably don't want to do that because your gay hands will become fat and muscular like mine.
<SiFuh>
With your long slender-assed lady fingers you can probably pull grubs out of the holes in the trees making all the monkey with tools jealous.
<lavaball>
i wish i had those!
<SiFuh>
Monkeys?
<SiFuh>
Spider Monkeys are awesome.
<lavaball>
slender assed lady fingers.
<SiFuh>
Gay
<lavaball>
if you say so it must be true. you are our resident gay embassador.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Shame you didn't get seem those Spider monkeys. They are so skilled they can walk climb and swing without any stopping. It is so smooth how they use their tail when moving
<SiFuh>
get to see*
<SiFuh>
I have seen them walking next to a chain linked fence then suddenly they are moving 45 degrees upwards still facing the same direction up the fence. No stopping, no slowing down. Just smooth as....
<SiFuh>
You can crack a beer, sit down and watch them move all day. Better than the Super Bowl and better than French parkour
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Did you know parkour was common in Japan before the French gave it a name?
<ppetrov^>
SiFuh, i thought to use your python3 ports, but they were many versions behind and new dependencies had been introduced meanwhile. SO I uset prtcreate with farkuhar's templates and started from scrtach
<ppetrov^>
*used
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Went to a Chinese restaurant today. Ordered a steak and said "No soy" They said "It must have soy. It is premixed" I looked her like she is a moron. "You mix steak with soy before you cook it?" She says "No, the soy is put on top" I said "Then leave it off" She says "We can't do that". The wife says "Can you put the soy in a separate bowl?" The lady says "Sure, we can do that" Left the
<SiFuh>
restaurant with a bowl of soy sauce in the middle of the table.
<SiFuh>
So fucking stupid these people are
<SiFuh>
And she was not young. She was in her 150's. Well not sure but looked like that
<ppetrov^>
150's
<ppetrov^>
:P
<SiFuh>
I don't know her ppetrov^ but I do know the staff and they know me. Doors open and I walk in "Table 13 right? Tiger beer right?"
<SiFuh>
Nothing special or superstitious about table 12. It's just in the perfect spot where I can see everything and snipers can't see me
<SiFuh>
:-P
<SiFuh>
12/14
<SiFuh>
Fuck
<SiFuh>
13
<SiFuh>
Heheh ppetrov^ zorzed the word elegant in #CRUX :-P
<SiFuh>
The one thing that get's my goat ppetrov^ is people don't use or don't know the difference between licence and license And it is a Driver's Licence not a Drivers licen(c/s)e
<ppetrov^>
one is a noun the other is a verb
<SiFuh>
The driver owns it so it must be 's and a Licence is a noun
<ppetrov^>
what i really don't het is how come natives confusre their/there/they're
<SiFuh>
Yes it is easy to remember if you know the alphabet.
<ppetrov^>
like, for fuck's sake
<ppetrov^>
het/get
<SiFuh>
C is before S and N for noun is before V for verb.
<SiFuh>
So C is a noun and S is a verb
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: In Australia we say for Fucksssssssssssake
<SiFuh>
So it became a long elongated word ;-)
<SiFuh>
Fuck sake is also common too
<SiFuh>
Actually the word fuck is quite interesting it can be come a noun, a verb an adjective and so on. It can also be used almost excusively in a sentence
<SiFuh>
Fuck you fucking fuck, that fucking fucked up fucking shit is fucked.
<SiFuh>
And every English speaker knows what I said.
<farkuhar>
update on using sndio + ALSA to emulate a full-duplex soundcard ... even after defining a global /etc/asound.conf and telling sndio about the newly-defined pcm (with the -F flag), applications couldn't see the emulated card, and fell back to using the internal soundcard instead.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Oh you still want me to work on that?
<SiFuh>
I was building a mining machine. Will be finished end of the week. But I can if you want
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: no need, you've already pointed me to the mailing list thread where it was declared impossible under OpenBSD. I was just wondering if the situation was different on Linux, where sndiod has to go through the ALSA layer.
<SiFuh>
Thought it was over when you bought the gadgets
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: You know what I love about OpenBSD. I have that bluetooth dongle and when inserted 'automount' feature in OpenBSD (configured by me) will switch the audio automatically to the bluetooth dongle. When I pull it out. (lavaball runs away screaming because it is huge like an African) it switches back to the speakers
<farkuhar>
Well yeah, buying a full-duplex USB headset does make the laptop usable for videoconferencing again, but I was still curious about the way sndiod would interact with ALSA-level emulation of a full-duplex card.
<SiFuh>
I also have it configured to lock the screen with slock when any USB is attached or detached.
<lavaball>
the smell is what makes me run.
<SiFuh>
lavaball: Then stop eating weeds.
<lavaball>
also that it's so rotten it looks like an african.
<SiFuh>
You give birth to Africans when you take a dump?
<lavaball>
i haven't checked if they were alive.
<lavaball>
do you name yours or what kind of dumb question is this?
<SiFuh>
Birthing doesn't require life
<lavaball>
so that's how your existence works.
<lavaball>
the more you know, i guess.
<SiFuh>
lavaball: I was living in poverty in Bundaberg. We had no money to buy food. I was scrounging around in the freezer and said to Anthony "Hey, I found this meat." He burst into laughter and said that is his room mates placenta.
<lavaball>
somehow this is even worse than your taxi stories.
<SiFuh>
No to exist means to be. A rock exists. But it ain't considered alive until some flat earth theorist comes into existance and says it is.
<SiFuh>
lavaball: Yep
<SiFuh>
Exist does not mean life.
<SiFuh>
Fuck.... let me check the dictionary
<SiFuh>
have objective reality or being.
<SiFuh>
The second means life though live, especially under adverse conditions.
<SiFuh>
Sometimes I wonder, should I buy a dictionary when talking to the German.
<ppetrov^>
learn german and problem is solved
<SiFuh>
No chance
<SiFuh>
lavaball keeps me on my toes
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: I was thinking about 2 weeks ago. Is English an invented language to cause people to think a certain way?
<SiFuh>
I am multi lingual and I see and think things differently to regular English only speaking people
<SiFuh>
And English itself is basically a whore of languages and a garbage dump of letters.
<SiFuh>
French was suppose to be the international language. That is why many passports still have French inside. But it ended up being English as the international language.
<SiFuh>
But both Russian and Vietnamese and in some ways Mandarin are more advanced languages. But Mandarin has some flaws. Yet English became dominant
<SiFuh>
Just some thoughts tossing around my mind
<SiFuh>
My wife who speaks Malay, Mandarin and Cantonese (Or so she thinks) and my Malay friends have a very difficult time distinguising he and she, him and her. Because it doesn't exist.
<SiFuh>
Japanese also is similar. They don't seem to have pronouns. <-- remiliascarlet
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: My wife talks to me and she is talking about a woman and suddenly she is saying "he" and I ask "Who is he? You were just talking about a woman" then she gets angry at me
<SiFuh>
It's like ping pong balls in my mind bouncing around trying to figure out the context and what she is on about.
<SiFuh>
Yesterday she asks "You want to go there? I think they don't have beer" I replied "No, I was just showing you the reviews for that restaurant" To her no meant 'There is no beer' but I was saying 'No, I don't want to go there'
<SiFuh>
I don't blame it on Madarin though. I blame it on her and Chinese-Malaysian education.
<SiFuh>
Most Malay Chinese can't speak Mandarin, Cantonese, Hokkien, Malay or English very well. They think they can but they actually have broken languages and broken language skills.
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: Ever wonder why Putin who speaks English very well never speaks English in interviews? He speaks Russian to make sure his words are exact and precise. No double meanings.
<SiFuh>
In English we have so many double meanings. I can say for example. ppetrov^ "you suck!" But it can be a joke, sarcasm, literal, or you really do.
<SiFuh>
Basically you can take "you suck" and turn it to any meaning you want
<SiFuh>
It is also why those much hated emoji's that zorz spams us with that both lavaball and I dislike can actually come in handy, to assist the reader what we really mean.
<SiFuh>
Fuck you zorzy :-P
<SiFuh>
lavaball: Ever watch The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles?
<lavaball>
no.
<SiFuh>
lavaball: Half the season is when he was a little brat of a kid.
<SiFuh>
The other half he is in his early 20s? and basically explains the story of how became who is is
<SiFuh>
I only thought of it because he knew German better than the translators
<SiFuh>
During the war
<SiFuh>
WW1
<zorz>
ppetrov^: did not forget you i will check it.
<SiFuh>
zorz: That's an excuse for 'I forgot'
<zorz>
i compiled so far aircrack-ng, bully, reaver... and now iam on wireshark-cli
<zorz>
ethtool, iw
<ppetrov^>
thanks zorz
<farkuhar>
"emoji that zorz spams us with" <- I must have the wrong terminal settings, or not enough fonts installed, because I hardly ever see them. The New Testament Greek that was pasted here the other day also showed up as a vast field of whitespace; I had to open the logs in a web browser to read it.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Old testmanet Greek
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I don't translate the bible from modern Greek. I prefer the original Greek which zorz is a key to assist but difficult
<farkuhar>
Didn't zorz say ChatGPT could render an adequate translation these days?
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: If you are using MUSl then I am curious because
<SiFuh>
Generate locales for your system. See section "Generating locales" for more information.
<SiFuh>
I don't think this a MUSl thing.
<SiFuh>
MUSL+
<farkuhar>
Yes, using MUSL locally, but SSHing into a NetBSD machine where the IRC client is running inside a tmux session. Who knows whether locale settings survive through all those layers.
<SiFuh>
It must
<SiFuh>
It is the law
<SiFuh>
So your IRC is on NetBSD?
<farkuhar>
Yes, until I get auto-cloaking enabled, that's the hostname that zorz prefers to see in the join/leave messages.
<SiFuh>
No one replied to you?
<farkuhar>
I only wrote to Stx, haven't tried another operator yet.
<SiFuh>
Oh, Okay
<SiFuh>
He is stenuring you probably
<farkuhar>
Okay, so the locale settings are supposed to be preserved, but what about my installed fonts? If I don't have a font with the required emoji, I'll only see empty space.
<SiFuh>
Then you need them
<farkuhar>
Any font recommendations?
<SiFuh>
You want to play a game? Install Myanmar fonts and locales. It has been broken since the 90's
<SiFuh>
For full support? NOTO from google.
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<SiFuh>
But usually the system will switch fonts
<SiFuh>
I don't know how it does it or how it works
<SiFuh>
But I can use Arial and open something in Thai and BAM! Angsana font.
<SiFuh>
Before the update in CRUX handbook, I use to locale EVERYTHING
<farkuhar>
I just checked, the only fonts I have installed are xorg-font-{bitstream-vera,dejavu-ttf,terminus}.
<SiFuh>
I'd poach the script from zorz's new vacuum cleaner and run that
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I install ever font to ever exist in CRUX. Habbit
<SiFuh>
Same in OpenBSD
<SiFuh>
every*
<SiFuh>
CRUX has a complete set of acceptable fonts except Myanmar
<farkuhar>
So why was I able to see the Old Testament Greek in firefox, but not in the terminal-based IRC client, if it was just a matter of installed fonts?
<SiFuh>
But I think there is no acceptable Myanmar font even on Android
<SiFuh>
Terminal is differnet
<SiFuh>
กะเทย
<SiFuh>
Can you see that? It is Lavaball
<farkuhar>
Nope, can't see anything.
<SiFuh>
It says translated to English lady boy in Thai
<SiFuh>
My issue with Thai is stacking in the terminal
<SiFuh>
Thai uses 1 layer below the character and up to three layers above the character
<SiFuh>
UTF8 fully supports Thai.... No, it doesn;t
<SiFuh>
In some Linux distros (Not Android) it shows it correctly under UTF-8
<SiFuh>
But Android and BSD it shits in a bucket
<farkuhar>
So what's the trick for making these character sets visible in the terminal?
<SiFuh>
Chosing UTF-8 generally does it
* farkuhar
checks value of $LANG ...
<SiFuh>
Generally
<farkuhar>
... en_US.utf8 here
<SiFuh>
en_AU.UTF-8 for me ebcause you Yankees can't spell
<SiFuh>
Do you have a static terminal font?
<farkuhar>
Define "static"
<SiFuh>
xterm -fn snap
<SiFuh>
If you are using netbsd you should run all the locales
<farkuhar>
VeraMono is what I've selected according to ~/.Xresources
<SiFuh>
That has nothing to do with SSH thought. One would think
<SiFuh>
But it could be because you might be using ssh and terminal through X
<farkuhar>
You want me to try a connection to the NetBSD machine through my tty1 rather than an X terminal emulator?
<SiFuh>
See if it helps
<SiFuh>
If you get question marks and strange boxes with 4 letters inside then you haven't set locales correctly in NetBSD
<farkuhar>
It helps to some extent. Now your Thai characters for English lady boy are represented by five white squares, not the empty space that I saw from the X session.
<SiFuh>
If it works then you will ned the fondts for X
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Okay netbsd needs the locales for Thai installed
<SiFuh>
But for X probably a font issue
<SiFuh>
I'd recommend installing all the Thai fonts to see that in X
<SiFuh>
As I said above. I install every font available. The usually works for me
<SiFuh>
I had an issue last year with 7.4 OpenBSD where nothing showed up. Just question marks. But the reinstall after the devasting 7.5 it just worked.
<SiFuh>
serpente had zero issues and he was using CRUX
<SiFuh>
In fact his display of the fonts were superior to the BSDs
<zorz>
hahaha
<SiFuh>
01189998819991197253
<zorz>
i changed to this lately?
<zorz>
export LANG="C.UTF-8"
<zorz>
export LC_COLLATE="C.UTF-8"
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: You got zorzed
<zorz>
everything C.UTF-*
<zorz>
ahhahaahha
<zorz>
i had en_US... and i changed to C
<zorz>
SiFuh: i watched a movie yesterday the siege of jadotville, and they say that uranium, plutonium that americans build the nagasaki bombs derived from congo. is that truth?
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<kh1b>
hi , how's everything going?
<kh1b>
and everyone doing ?
<ppetrov^>
hi
<kh1b>
ppetrov^: holla
<ukky>
farkuhar: are these two enabled in your xterm?: xterm -report-xres -e 'echo' 2>&1 | grep '\b\(utf8\|utf8Fonts\)\b'
<farkuhar>
ukky: I don't have xterm installed at the moment. Currently using zutty (https://tomscii.sig7.se/zutty/), but as SiFuh suggests, I might need to go ahead and install more fonts.
<ukky>
I have Noto set of TTF fonts installed. Maybe that is why my xterm displays Thai
<farkuhar>
yeah, SiFuh was suggesting Noto because it has full support for so many languages.
<ukky>
One of the tests is to set terminal title. This is for xterm, yours might be similar: printf '\033]0;[ไม่ใช่คนข้ามเพศ]\007'
<farkuhar>
Heh, that's not an easy test to run in a WM that doesn't draw titlebars for its client windows.
<ukky>
when I had no japanese fonts and no utf8 support in xterm, listing directory with files that have japanese characters could send xterm into unpredictable state.
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<zorz>
fucking helll
<zorz>
farkuhar......................... almost there
<zorz>
HAHAHAHA
<zorz>
WHO IS ONLINE ?
<zorz>
ppetrov^: almost ready your pip2crux
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<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: If you know the Chinks put soy in everything, then why do you keep going there?
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: "Japanese also is similar. They don't seem to have pronouns." Correct.
<remiliascarlet>
You change trends quicker than the mainstream.
<zorz>
they post bullshit begging for sats
<zorz>
like my girlfriends :)
<zorz>
anyway this days... busy with getting to know wifi-hacking
<zorz>
hashcat wants rocm... manage it... i had a good start
<remiliascarlet>
zorz: Want to know a little secret?
<remiliascarlet>
Social media sucks!
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: now i wanted to install a python package... when i saw how many packages depend on... and no package on crux i wen and fork something, and did pip2crux
<remiliascarlet>
That's the secret!
<zorz>
hate them... only twitter basically CT twitter, Crypto twitter 50 accounts that i follow
<remiliascarlet>
I remember the social media platform float.app, which used to have lots of cryptobro's, loli/shota artists, and other pro free speech people on it. A few years later they got their investor funding, and immediately decided to ban loli/shota art, and it died almost immediately.
<zorz>
i went to install wifite2, and i saw requrements scappy pytest... and then i check those requirements.... and i set ooo fuck i am not gonna make 15-20 Pkgfiles
<zorz>
so i took the pipman and i am forking it to crux
<zorz>
river
<zorz>
river wayland
<zorz>
i use river when code... and labwc when lazy
<zorz>
ppetrov^: when i press a botton in terminal with river.... the latency ia almost 0 zero!
<remiliascarlet>
FreeDOS running Windows 3.1 shell.
<zorz>
dir naked.
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<zorz>
lasta time i used dos was in 2003
<remiliascarlet>
FreeDOS is still maintained today, but you can't use it over WiFi, so ethernet is required.
<zorz>
my router is far away
<zorz>
be right back have to reboot in artix check something before i delete it
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<zorz>
ok
<remiliascarlet>
zorz: My router is at the other end of the room, and I simply connected switches to extend ethernet throughout the entire home.
<zorz>
no i have a router in the middle of the living room... and i am in my office
<zorz>
130 m2 space
<zorz>
the town home/flat is new... over there i i did infrastracture for everything. Even solar panels at the roof next year net metering
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: you are lucky!
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<remiliascarlet>
zorz: I don't think 'm necessarily lucky, it's just a matter of putting switches in random places, and pulling cables from one to the other.
<remiliascarlet>
Neither of which are expensive either.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: Today I learned that my cat loves to eat pig ears.
<zorz>
haha
<zorz>
pig ears!
<zorz>
dogs eat cables
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: i manage to load rocm drivers for the amdgpu of my laptop and now i use hashcat so fast
<remiliascarlet>
zorz: Pig ears is one of Okinawa's special dishes, but you can buy them nationwide at butcher shops too.
<remiliascarlet>
Same with pig feet, but that one is really just dry skin with really thick bones.
<zorz>
i like pig... but the steaks!
<zorz>
chops chops
<zorz>
maybe spare ribs
<remiliascarlet>
Pork belly is awesome.
<remiliascarlet>
Chops and ribs too, but they're very lean, so I have to add extra tallow or lard to it.
<remiliascarlet>
Also, try to bake pork belly in duck fat, and it gets ridiculously crispy.
<remiliascarlet>
And yes, different types of fats and oils do actually affect the taste.
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: you eat fatty things... not so good for cholesterol
<remiliascarlet>
zorz: Cholesterol is necessary to get vitamin D.
<remiliascarlet>
Without cholesterol, you can be out in the sun all day long, and you'll still remain vitamin D deficient.
<zorz>
yes correct.... but not abuse the fat thing
<remiliascarlet>
Why not?
<remiliascarlet>
Saturated fat is necessary to feed your brain.
<zorz>
everything is good... as long as you do not abuse it.
<zorz>
for example... drink 2-3 beers not 20 like SiFuh_ does :)
<remiliascarlet>
How am I supposed to abuse fat? It's not like I can threaten it with a knife or something.
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: have to go.... have a nice day.