<zorz^>
farkuhar: when online give me again how exactly you like it to be written
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<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: You don't what the liver king?
<remiliascarlet>
zorz^: Bleach is a pretty nice manga series.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=poxA5I8C0mM It almost seems like if literally everyone in Los Angles is either too fat, or too thin. Like if nobody there can be at normal weight.
<remiliascarlet>
But respect to the Russian baker, instead of just calling the police like a pussy, he handles troublemakers all by himself.
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<zorz>
i am fuckin geanius
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<zorz>
exit
<zorz>
exit
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<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I can't believe the Tucker Carlson video was too long, yet you can watch 35 minutes of crap? Heh
<zorz>
SiFuh: pip2crux done
<zorz>
bonjour
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<zorz>
ppetrov^:
<SiFuh>
Pew pew pew
<zorz>
SiFuh: is online
<zorz>
SiFuh: fuck you :)
<SiFuh>
I don't speak French
<zorz>
in greece we speak... very well French
<SiFuh>
Greece is a shit hole full over self-glorifying Greek morons
<zorz>
yes yes yes... Australia is better full of criminals
<SiFuh>
That's full of shit
<zorz>
Australia has bad dna
<SiFuh>
There was around 162,000 criminals brought to Australia. Many died.
<SiFuh>
The rest were rich and powerful people that established the colonies, and later mass immigration from England to Australia
<zorz>
no,,, what i say i think, i am not sure, British used to place criminals in Australia at the beginning
<SiFuh>
You trying to give me an Australian history lesson?
<SiFuh>
I bet I know more about it that you do.
<zorz>
ofcourse not
<SiFuh>
So the fact that YOU think all Australians are decendants of imported convicts shows how shallow your thinking really is.
<SiFuh>
Hence Greece is full of self-glorifying morons.
<zorz>
the fact that you take it seriously...... hmmmm never mind
<SiFuh>
You need to stop your zorzin'
<zorz>
SiFuh: dont be so jealus
<SiFuh>
Why? I just want to talk shit about Greece
<zorz>
yeah yeah yeah... read the bible written in greek
<zorz>
:P
<zorz>
go to Patmos
<SiFuh>
Majority was written in Hebrew, and a small section in Greek and Aramaic
<SiFuh>
zorz: go to hell
<SiFuh>
While you are down there, go fuck yourself.
<SiFuh>
Hahaha
<zorz>
you see you read Hebrew bible.... what joo joo want to brain wash you
<zorz>
:P
<SiFuh>
Jews are not Hebrews
<zorz>
sorry i meant the book of revelation not bible
<farkuhar>
zorz: your pip2crux is still creating Pkgfiles where the build() function relies on having a network connection. Did your recent format-and-reinstall lose the template I shared (python3-colorama), where download_source and unpack_source are redefined so that `pkgmk -do` and `pkgmk -eo` can do something useful?
<zorz>
hehehe
<zorz>
farkuhar:
<zorz>
i told you
<zorz>
i lost the one you gave me
<zorz>
give it back
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: He probably didn't tell you. Words float around in his head and he expects you to know what it is
<farkuhar>
ppetrov^: the kde-plasma-6 repo is getting more attention in #crux today, and from the core team too. It feels like an indication that the KDE repo is semi-official, if not fully official, at this point.
<ppetrov^>
farkuhar, that'd be awesome to have a semi-official (like contrib) complete desktop environment
<ppetrov^>
do you know if it will be added to 3.8, like contrib?
<zorz>
ok just a monent to give you the update
<farkuhar>
ppetrov^: awesome for you that a full-blown DE is getting official support in CRUX, but other users like serpente might regard it as a betrayal of the original mission.
<zorz>
btw farkuhar, footprint of python3-h11 has problem
<zorz>
use ratpoison
<farkuhar>
zorz: if I had a mouse or rat that I wanted to kill, I probably wouldn't need poison. In my neighborhood there are feral cats that are impressive hunters; I could just invite one of them to kill the rodent.
<ppetrov^>
why? you have a choice not to build it and it doesn't hurt to have more ports
<ppetrov^>
and i won't use it for my work computer but might finally use CRUX on my multimedia PC with a full blown KDE
<SiFuh>
GayDE
<farkuhar>
The cats here are so skilled in their hunts, one of them left a dead rabbit on my doorstep yesterday.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: That's a gift
<ppetrov^>
SiFuh, look, i get it. I am not a fan of KDE. However, I would very much appreciate it if CRUX would have a desktop environment out-of-the-box
<SiFuh>
No one is doing XCFE anymore?
<ppetrov^>
would be cool to have it semiofficially
<zorz>
ppetrov^: you can do pip2crux -u and then run prt-get sysup
<zorz>
HAHAHAHAHA
<stratofa1l>
I've been using i3 on my main desktop. But I want to try kde. I have two HTPC's in the house as those TV's are not smartTV's... My family is used to kde on those htpc's. And if I can get crux + kde on those computers. That would be great for my purpose.
<stratofa1l>
I was going to try hyprland as well. Was trying to package it up the other day. But it seems it wants a newer gcc then what Crux 3.7 uses. I'll wait for 3.8 before trying again.
<stratofa1l>
I mostly just need to put direct links on the desktop with the appropriate icons. So my family can just click to whatever streaming service they want.
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: another UX annoyance in IRSSI is that a partially-written post persists across all channels (when you switch with Ctrl + n or Ctrl + p). A better UX would anchor the partially-written post to the channel where you started composing it, leaving empty buffers in the other channels you've joined.
<SiFuh>
Heh, farkuhar problems.
<farkuhar>
I guess I've gotten too accustomed to the conveniences offered by the catgirl IRC client. I only started using IRSSI when SiFuh asked for perl help with his lavaball-muting plugin.
<ppetrov^>
jeez, you guys a developing plugins in honour of specific users
<farkuhar>
But seriously, having a shared input buffer common to all channels you've joined, combined with an up-arrow or mouse-wheel that recalls your recent posting history, that's just an invitation for users to zorz all the channels they've joined. I prefer a client that makes it harder to be obnoxiously repetitive.
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<zorz>
farkuhar: go see a doctor, something is wrong
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: Yep ;-) And it is cool now.
<SiFuh>
I can ignore anyone but still see them when they send a message but the message is blank.
<zorz>
where did he see the UX... its a terminal app
<ppetrov^>
SiFuh, so you really are not interested anymore of what he says?
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: Nah, care zero about his bitches and his opinions amd he isn't even funny. Just annoying
<ppetrov^>
but you don't ban him from the channel
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: I have zorz on ignore
<zorz>
lucky me
<SiFuh>
Why would I?
<ppetrov^>
will you write a zorz plugin as well
<SiFuh>
zorz*: MSGS NOTICES
<SiFuh>
zorz: spams me through Private Messages. I hate it. So I set private messages from zorz to ignore.
<zorz>
(liberachat)
<zorz>
[13:51:33] :: Irssi: Starting query in liberachat with SiFuh
<zorz>
[13:51:42] <zorz> hello my friend!
<zorz>
moouahahahaha
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: I have no interest in banning someone.
<zorz>
SiFuh: the mercyfull
<SiFuh>
And if I did, zorz would lose a friend.
<SiFuh>
Hahahaha
<SiFuh>
He doesn't have many.
<zorz>
hahhahaha
<SiFuh>
He can't afford them
<farkuhar>
zorz: UX = "user experience". It's a term that can be applied to both GUI and terminal apps.
<SiFuh>
I like the way remiliascarlet put it. I have muted him for myself.
<SiFuh>
zorz: I thought he said UK and I was wondering what England had to do with IRSSI
<zorz>
farkuhar: did not know i am from a village
<SiFuh>
zorz is the village idiot ;-)
<SiFuh>
Hellenistic Greek
<zorz>
farkuhar: i forgot a $ (which was not a problem) but i updated again the thing... now its ok
<SiFuh>
Koine Greek, also known as Hellenistic Greek, common Attic, the Alexandrian dialect, Biblical Greek, Septuagint Greek or New Testament Greek, was the common supra-regional form of Greek spoken and written during the Hellenistic period, the Roman Empire and the early Byzantine Empire.
<farkuhar>
Anyway, my experience as an IRSSI user so far has not lived up to expectations. Now that SiFuh has his plugin working, I think I'll go back to my previous IRC client the next time I log in.
<zorz>
what is your other client ?
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Maybe they have a plugin for you
<zorz>
pip2crux was written in vim with pydiction, and autopep8. no lsp
<zorz>
not even jedi.
<lavaball>
zorz, i'll take it.
<farkuhar>
zorz: That blog post was merely the most recent example of someone arguing against excessively customizing an app, lest you become unable to work with the standard config when you're on someone else's machine. Neovim just happened to be the example chosen in the blog, any other app could have been used to make the same point.
<remiliascarlet>
As for the Tucker Carlson video, I'm watching now, since I now just got some free time.
<SiFuh>
There has been a bit of talking on the OpenBSD channel in Telegram how nvi is horrible
<zorz>
if its to install tree-sitter npm etc etc go with emacs. Even helix is better than neovim
<remiliascarlet>
Helix is Rust crap.
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: when zorz mentioned the reason for one of his recent reboots, you asked "who reboots for a window manager?" Can IRSSI load scripts that you put under ~/.irssi/scripts/ *after* it is already running? If I have to close the app and then launch it again to activate those scripts, it's hardly any better than zorz rebooting to fix a WM issue.
<remiliascarlet>
I tried that before, it pretends to be a "memory safe" Neovim rewrite, but actually ignores Vim bindings.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Yes. /load mouse_soliton.pl
<remiliascarlet>
Did zorz write his own OS in Python?
<lavaball>
zorz, you forgot that i'm also the most broke in here.
<SiFuh>
Basically we move scripts to ~/.irssi/scripts and load them. If they are good and you like, then move them to autorun
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: thanks.
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: just a helper to install from pip2crux
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: It will not load if it has errors. So no need to unload them
<remiliascarlet>
One merit of Emacs over Neovim is that plugins don't seem to bloat up the editor. Maybe that's because Emacs by itself is already bloated.
<zorz>
hahaha
<SiFuh>
emacs rules!
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: actually i am impressed how fast emacs work
<SiFuh>
I use to use massren to rename mass-rename files. But now I just use dired in emacs to do it.
<zorz>
out of the box, lsp, snippets everything
<remiliascarlet>
But Emacs keybindings are fucking weird.
<zorz>
SiFuh: should work in mg aswell no?
<SiFuh>
zorz: I have mine set to emacs -nw automatically. Because I don't use the GUI much. But I still use the GUI
<remiliascarlet>
So if I were to switch to Emacs, I'd install "evil" mode.
<SiFuh>
No idea. No interest in emacs clones
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: start with emacs-gtk... its very easy... you have also tab completion
<zorz>
you see them
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: They are actually copied from the original terminal keybindings
<remiliascarlet>
zorz: I actually prefer Emacs TUI over Emacs GUI, so that I don't need to get blind from the black on white UI.
<zorz>
its up to you
<SiFuh>
Poor Aunt Sally. The cousin from Mentakab turns up. Some boisterous moron he is. He kicks Aunt Sally and she screams. Then starts bashing her. He then shouts at her and grabs her by the front legs and throws her into the cage. Then he comes back and wonders why she is angry at him. I took her and put her in the kennel with a chewing thing so no one can disturb her.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: Emacs is CTRL + X, and then CTRL + C to quit. Meanwhile, VI, Vim, and Neovim are all ZZ (save and quit) or ZQ (quit without saving, doesn't work with VI though).
<SiFuh>
Wife asks "You angry?" I said "Yes, your family, you deal with them or I am going to knock him out"
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: ZZ and ZQ are for lazy fuckers.
<zorz>
ZZzzz sleep
<remiliascarlet>
I want fewer keypresses.
<zorz>
clever girl
<remiliascarlet>
ZorZ
<zorz>
yes
<remiliascarlet>
ZorQ
<zorz>
Zoro
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: Looks like YouTubers aren't the only ones randomly inserting ads into their videos.
<remiliascarlet>
Or as most people would call it, sponsorships.
<SiFuh>
I told you Tucker has his advertising.
<zorz>
nothing is free
<zorz>
fuckin hell need to format crux partition
<remiliascarlet>
zorz: I know, every is just a slave in the end.
<remiliascarlet>
s/every/everyone
<zorz>
not bad at all, its truth
<SiFuh>
Tucker is doing well though freelancing
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: i will send you pure oregano (mount olympus, high staff), and we sell it in the market of japan
<remiliascarlet>
Yeah, I said it from the beginning, FOX cancelling Tucker only benefits him.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: He actually talks about how he has been fired so many times and each time, he likes it
<SiFuh>
In the speech before he talks to Roseanne Barr.
<zorz>
sadoma
<zorz>
Roseanne still alive?
<SiFuh>
Another video. I only recommended the one you are watching because I think it is his best speech ever
<SiFuh>
Yes zorz
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: By the way, installed an OpenBSD 7.6 snapshot on one of my laptops, it's pretty stable for a development build, and upgrading to a newer snapshot is pretty fast too.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I am waiting for the official release next month
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Found something with that script that annoys me. I need to click on the IRSSI now before pasting rather than just pasting.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: Just did this so I get the experience and knowledge of upgrading to and using a snapshot.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I use to be able to copy and then paste direct to IRSSI even if it is not in focus. Now I have to click it to focus it and then paste it.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Want experience? Download the source and compile the entire distro. It was the second thing I ever did when I first started with OpenBSD back in 2002
<remiliascarlet>
I have the source code, and sync a couple times a week. But compiling OpenBSD from source is on my todo list.
<SiFuh>
I git clone it daily
<remiliascarlet>
I do it via CVS, since that's what OpenBSD developers themselves use.
<remiliascarlet>
No need to do a dick meassuring contest with me, because since I don't have one, I will lose regardless.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Reminds me of a joke. A man told a woman. I can pee higher than you. She said, I bet I can pee higher. He said okay and he peed up the wall. She stood on her hands and peed over the wall.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: When Tucker said about Ukraine and said "it's not as bad compared to your town", he said "your town" in a way I misunderstood as "uterown". So I thought "what country is that?".
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Hahahahaha that reminds me of the comedian. Let me find his name
<SiFuh>
Deon Cole. He said he was in an airport and suddenly over the speakers heard the name "The Uncle please come to counter...." And he said I was laughing. Who calls someone The Uncle? Then realised they were saying his name Deon Cole.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: If you download the source then you might like a script I wrote
<remiliascarlet>
Last time I heard about it was when somebody bought Parler "to save it", and a few days later he just shut it down because "no need for a free speech platform".
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<SiFuh>
farkuhar: The mouse script is annoying me. I unloaded it. hahaha
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: The script allows you to search available ports in the PORTSDIR directory
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: Are you zorzing me?
<SiFuh>
How can I zorz you when I wrote the fscking script?
<remiliascarlet>
Because I already reviewed the script before you told me what it does.
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: I think zorz is referring to his window managers being handicapped, not his women. We all know he has a history of pushing his GNU/Linux distros to the breaking point, where a format-and-reinstall becomes necessary.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I think you sped read and missed the joke
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<farkuhar>
SiFuh: heh, even a handicapped person might know how to hunt and cook, if they acquired those skills before an accident robbed them of the use of legs or arms. But as for zorz delegating the feeding role to remiliascarlet, maybe he was thinking geographically? Who else is closer to you, to be entrusted with feeding you if you lose a limb?
<zorz>
farkuhar: SiFuh_: is crazy
<farkuhar>
zorz: I think you meant to write it the other way around. "SiFuh: farkuhar is crazy"
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I think you are making stories up
<farkuhar>
I'm just trying to make sense of what zorz wrote: "feed handicaped SiFuh". If the comment is nonsense, then maybe I shouldn't have bothered.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: He said his window manager was handicapped. I said he is handicapped. Then he out of context asked remiliascarlet to feed handicapped SiFuh.
<SiFuh>
And since remiliascarlet is a cat woman and women are considered the cook, I told him to stop being sexest. Then said she can wash the dishes ;-)
<SiFuh>
Why did I write cat woman?
<SiFuh>
Heh
<farkuhar>
Maybe zorz is too scared to accuse you directly of being handicapped, and he wanted to couch the insult behind an appeal for bystander assistance.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Stop making excuses for a handicapped zorz
<farkuhar>
Anyway, I'm curious in what particular way his window managers are handicapped. Could he overcome those defects by investing in a larger monitor?
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: It isn't the Window Manager. It is him.
<SiFuh>
The problem is always between the keyboard and the chair.
<farkuhar>
Maybe he should try the kde-plasma-6 repo.
<SiFuh>
Gay DE
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Roseanna Barr says. I like MAGA but I want MAMA. Make America Moral Again.
<SiFuh>
going to puff a cigar and drin Guinness with the dog
<zorz>
Guiness is high in iron, very healthy
<zorz>
doctors in ireland advice pregnant to drink 1 pint per day
<farkuhar>
Heh, frinnst in #crux is saying that Wayland is the gateway drug that leads to Rust. You won't get to Rust quite as efficiently from the iron in Guinness beer.
<zorz>
hahaha
<zorz>
i was reading last week in slashdot a kernel developer quit because linus wants rust in the kernel
<zorz>
i am formating the drive farkuhar you forgot ?
<zorz>
i just did something fast and temporary to finish the pip2crux
<SiFuh>
Oh I forgot zorz. What version of Windows did you want me to send to you for your main driver?
<farkuhar>
Guinness beer, heh. That's the one I was supposed to save until the evening. SiFuh expected me to open the Tiger beer instead, while we still had a long day of touring ahead of us.
<SiFuh>
Yeah, farkuhar you should use your ears more
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: And it was the 500ml can too!
<farkuhar>
Pouring beer into my ears is a good way to let a good drink go to waste!
<SiFuh>
I said to put that in the backpack and drink the 320ml Tiger. Next thing you know I hear "pop" and you opened the Guinness 500ml can. WHAT???
<SiFuh>
Thats an at home relax any of day shit beer
<SiFuh>
any/end*
<SiFuh>
shit/shift*
<SiFuh>
If I am busy doing shit, it is the lager or pilsner I drink. But when I want to relax and do nothing. Guinness is good.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Tiger is 5% and Guiness is 5.5%
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: And you chowing down that Durian. I have never ever seen anyone eat that so fast.
<farkuhar>
What is frinnst saying now? That by switching to Wayland his power consumption went up?
<farkuhar>
Or by letting the gateway drug work its magic, he adopted so much Rust crap that eventually any efficiency advantage offered by Wayland was undermined by the frequent recompiling jobs that Rust entails?
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I don't know but Gigawatts is a bit extreme
<farkuhar>
Yeah, so extreme that the word gets mispronounced by Emmett Brown in Back to the Future.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Yeah that pissed me off
<SiFuh>
But I did get to thinking about it. Maybe they hadn't named it yet since he was in 1955?
<farkuhar>
I'm pissed off that 2015 came and went, and we still don't have flying cars or hoverboards.
<SiFuh>
Yeah, I was in Kyrgyzstan when I saw that news story.
<SiFuh>
But as I told my friend. People can't drive on the road. Fucked if I want them in the sky above my home.
<SiFuh>
1990 more people are killed by falling turtles than... 2015 more people are killed by falling cars than....
<farkuhar>
Is zorz going to interject a comment about Boeing? The timing couldn't be better.
<SiFuh>
Did you see the link I sent dlcusa?
<SiFuh>
A pilot from South Africa was caught out after 20 years of flying that he didn't actually have a licence.
<SiFuh>
And the comment was that they should just give him one
<SiFuh>
20 years! He freaking deserves one even if he commit an act of fraud
<farkuhar>
I thought it was license that was the noun. At least that's what the GNU project has been using in their General Public License for so many years.
<SiFuh>
did commit*
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: No as I said C before S and N (noun) before V (verb)
<SiFuh>
Let's go to practice. I will practise
<farkuhar>
That's what your link says as a general rule, but there's always an exception in English. Check out the COPYING file in any GNU project to see how they spell the noun.
<SiFuh>
Yeah but American's are cheap skates. They can't afford letter changes on the printing press
<SiFuh>
Hence colour is spelled color and spelled is no spelt.
<SiFuh>
no/now*
<SiFuh>
Have you ever read the old papers from the printing press days? The English spelling was terrible but on the bright side, English didn't actually have a formalised spelling pattern yet so the Americans used that as an excuse
<SiFuh>
Tell you a funny story. Ninny (A little girl with excellent English) was at a pond and there were many fish swimming in it. The little boy says "Ikan!" Which is Malay for fish. Ninny said "No! That is fish. Ikan is what you eat"
<zorz>
GNU rulezzzzzzzzzzzz
<SiFuh>
GNU is a stupid acronymn
<SiFuh>
GNU = GNU Not Unix.
<zorz>
GNU is the best... without GNU hackers will stay uneployed!
<zorz>
haha
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<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I wonder how good the Malaysian Mechanics welding is. I am thinking to ask him to make winch hubs like the army.
<SiFuh>
They bolt onto the wheel where the lug nuts are. Then you tie a rope around it and when the wheel turns it winds the rope at the same time pulling your vehicle out
<SiFuh>
zorz: I want a sign. "Beware of the dog, she calls SiFuh"
<zorz>
hahahaha
<zorz>
hahahaha
<SiFuh>
zorz: My wife thinks she has seen me angry when I threw a chair across the house but she hasn't :-P
<zorz>
yes
<SiFuh>
I am pretty angry now, but not maximum angry
<zorz>
tell your wife the opposites attrack to each other
<SiFuh>
I was telling serpente how I want to punch her cousin (The guy who lives far away) in the nose because he came to our house then kicked the dog.
<zorz>
all of them are handicaped ?
<SiFuh>
My father saw me angry once. I was going to beat him to death with my broken arm
<SiFuh>
They are fucking morons
<zorz>
poor SiFuh ... you see SiFuh relatives you cannot choose
<SiFuh>
I can choose to break their noses
<SiFuh>
I was annoyed at her cousin after he kicked our dog. He then lied saying she was biting him. No, she snuck up on him and scared him.
<zorz>
never mind... dont even think of it
<SiFuh>
Wife says he is bigger than you. My right eyebrow lifted and I stared at her. She realises "Ohhhh, okay"
<SiFuh>
Care zero how big you are. You kick my dog, I will break your fucking face.
<SiFuh>
oooohhh I hope the mat is dry. I should check. I am designing a new more comfortable environment for her
<zorz>
this person is stupid
<SiFuh>
She will be able to play golf
<SiFuh>
He's a fucking moron.
<SiFuh>
Comes onto my land and acts like he is the alpha, the boss.
<SiFuh>
Fuck off. You are an alcoholic, drug using, gambler in debt.
<SiFuh>
You are a nothing person.
<SiFuh>
Then lied to my face
<SiFuh>
zorz: There was a dog next door in the home of the Tamil Indians.
<SiFuh>
When we asked where 'Blacky' went they said Blacky ran away.
<zorz>
sifuh let me finish the installation of crux
<zorz>
i get rid of wayland
<SiFuh>
Blacky didn't run away. I know what happened
<zorz>
pissed me off
<SiFuh>
Hahah GAYLAND
<zorz>
compile cland, lld , clc zig
<zorz>
fuck off
<SiFuh>
HAHAHA
<zorz>
yesterday... you know why i used to use pip
<SiFuh>
because you are a twat?
<SiFuh>
I don't know
<SiFuh>
Why?
<SiFuh>
Enlighten us
<zorz>
for example numpy, used to use numpy from pip i am not in a huge development to take distro numpy with blas etc etc
<zorz>
simple thing pip numpy is ok
<SiFuh>
I prefer to use the ports that exist already. And pip for those that don't
<SiFuh>
Life is simpler
<zorz>
and yesterday as i was testing pip2crux.... at a point i start compiling compiler-rt and rust
<zorz>
what a fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!
<SiFuh>
What the fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<zorz>
now i disble contrib ports
<SiFuh>
I disabled CRUX
<zorz>
i mean beerman does excellent job.... but are not in a need for an average user.
<zorz>
people that need to use numpy compiled with openblas.... believe they know how to do it
<SiFuh>
zorz: Wash your mouth out with soap
<zorz>
the only thing i liked with river and foot the cursor in the terminal was flying
<zorz>
so fast
<zorz>
i3 is slow
<zorz>
cwm is faster
<SiFuh>
Hmm farkuhar ppetrov^ zorz ever had a father that made you suck on a bar of soap because he didn't like your words. Not swearing but just didn't like what you said?
<zorz>
no never.... used to tell me bravo!
<SiFuh>
I had a US navy father.
<zorz>
ooooooooo
<zorz>
accountant movie style
<zorz>
with benafleck
<zorz>
ahahhaa
<zorz>
thats why your brother has issues
<SiFuh>
He use to smack us with a studdeded leather belt. Shove a bar of soap down your throat. And if he smacked you with a melmac ladel and it broke? He'd get more angry and find something metal to smack you with because your arse broke his ladles.
<SiFuh>
My brother has issues?
<zorz>
the earth is flat
<zorz>
this is an issue
<SiFuh>
Nah that is his interpreation of the bible
<SiFuh>
I use to joke. He read a book compiled over 2,000 years ago and his entire scientific knowledge has been kicked back to 2,000 years
<SiFuh>
lavaball: She lives outside. The cage is only used around lunch time for 2 hours and in the evening when everyone comes home for about 1 hour. The rest of the time, she is free to roam where she wants.
<SiFuh>
But now she has to wear 'THE CONE OF SHAME' because she eats herself
<SiFuh>
The rest of the day that cage is closed so she cannot enter
<SiFuh>
Still pissed off at her cousin from Mentekab coming to my home and kicking her then slinging her into the cage by her forelegs. Then trying to beat her.
<SiFuh>
Told the wife "Your family, you deal with it" she realise if she doesn't then an ambulance is going to arrive for him.
<lavaball>
seriously, he should have thought this through. if he needs someone to listen to him (which most old peopel do) he shouldn't ignore people who always entertained his antics.
<SiFuh>
That is the most intelligent thing you ever said.
<SiFuh>
So glad there are no visible words.
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<SiFuh>
kh1b: How did you find crux-social?
<SiFuh>
I don't think it is advertised anywhere
<kh1b>
SiFuh: zorz told me about it
<SiFuh>
Ahh
<SiFuh>
I wonder about the others
<SiFuh>
But they don't usually talk
<kh1b>
yeah
<kh1b>
that aren't many
<SiFuh>
Just us assholes that like to talk shit ;-)
<kh1b>
it always works like that
<SiFuh>
But, I was surprised at how many joined even though it is a small number
<SiFuh>
I know some join then leave because the noise here is quite annoying.
<SiFuh>
kh1b: You have pet dogs there?
<kh1b>
nope
<kh1b>
i got cats
<SiFuh>
No I mean in Algeria
<SiFuh>
Not your home
<kh1b>
yeah of course
<kh1b>
pretty common
<SiFuh>
Here in Malaysia they think dogs are evil and so it is rare to find a Muslim with a dog.
<SiFuh>
I use to live in Central Asia and many Muslims had dogs. But not in the house
<SiFuh>
Here even having them guarding your farm is frowned upon.
<kh1b>
that's cultural i think
<SiFuh>
Yeah, as I said to my wife.
<lavaball>
he just pretends to be edgy. he wrote a perl script just to mute what i say, so i can't violate his safe space.
<SiFuh>
There was a small incident a few years back where Muslims brought their dogs to KLCC park and it sparked outrage.
<SiFuh>
She has "The cone of shame" because she is eating herself
<SiFuh>
She is quite aggressive though
<SiFuh>
Normal for a street dog
<SiFuh>
She seems to respect only me because I am consistant and I don't fuck around.
<kh1b>
so if you fuck with her you will find out
<SiFuh>
I'm faster than her
<kh1b>
good that you rescued her
<SiFuh>
She can read me very well
<SiFuh>
I don't like the rescued word because it is abused a lot.
<SiFuh>
Her siblings and cousins are all dead now.
<SiFuh>
She is the only survivor
<SiFuh>
My mechanic and his worker accidentally drove over the rest
<SiFuh>
They are Muslim also. But they were so sad.
<SiFuh>
Ijo said "Clean or unclean. They are all Allah's creatures"
<SiFuh>
They were happy that one is alive and now at my home.
<SiFuh>
Her name is "Aunt Sally"
<SiFuh>
Under Australian law, you can't eat an animal you have named. My mother was pleased. Because she knows I eat dog meat
<SiFuh>
In Malaysia, I am still technically under Australian law.
<kh1b>
"you can't eat an animal you have named" wait what
<SiFuh>
Fuckers...
<SiFuh>
Yeah. You give a name it becomes a pet.
<kh1b>
else, you can eat it
<SiFuh>
I often wonder though because numbers are said as words. And those numbers are technically names.
<SiFuh>
Yes
<SiFuh>
kh1b: Not illegal to sell and eat dog meat. You just need to say 'meat'.
<SiFuh>
If it is dog and you say 'beef' then you can go to prison. But if you say 'meat' it can be rat, cat, dog, lizard, snake
<kh1b>
heard that its common only in china
<SiFuh>
Hmm Germany WW2?
<kh1b>
yeah
<SiFuh>
Ukraine during holodomr?
<kh1b>
i mean nowdays
<SiFuh>
Vietnam, Thailand, South Korea
<SiFuh>
Dog is still common
<SiFuh>
Now in US thanks to Haitians
<SiFuh>
Hahahahahh
<SiFuh>
When you are hungry and you have people and a dog. I bet you eat the dog.
<SiFuh>
Man's best friend becomes man's best meal
<kh1b>
SiFuh: in that case yeah
<SiFuh>
I will never eat human flesh
<SiFuh>
I prefer to die of starvation
<SiFuh>
And before you ask, or an opinion. I know what it is like to not eat for weeks.
<kh1b>
i cant imagine myself eating dogs
<SiFuh>
Stomach shuts down. And you digest yourself.
<SiFuh>
I can but not my wife's dog. It seems wrong
<kh1b>
yeah at least you got that limit
<SiFuh>
kh1b: I use to teach survival in Australia. Damn, Malaysia is weird for me. I am studying now but.... damn!
<SiFuh>
kh1b: There is a lizard in the Middle East and North Africa you can eat 'as a Muslim'
<SiFuh>
I said "Bet it is a dragon lizard" I went home and checked. It was
<SiFuh>
In case you don't know there are five major classes of lizards. Gecko, Skink, Goanna (Monitor), Dragon Lizard, flap foot (Legless)
<SiFuh>
Only skinks and dragon lizards have plants in their diet
<kh1b>
seems off to consume as well
<SiFuh>
Only dragon lizards can become full vegetarian.
<kh1b>
i prefer seafood
<SiFuh>
I think it tastes great. But I never ate.
<SiFuh>
I love lizards too much to want to eat them
<SiFuh>
kh1b: Japan is calling you ;-)
<SiFuh>
zorz: Where are you?
<SiFuh>
He's formatting and installing CRUX. Probably printed the installation guide
<SiFuh>
90% of the guide can be ignored and configured on system boot
<kh1b>
Compilation is also time consuming
<SiFuh>
Especially my kernel in contrib
<SiFuh>
Fully modular but guaranteed to work
<kh1b>
the sysup take ages after fresh install
<SiFuh>
Use the updated iso
<SiFuh>
The same guy (jaeger) who makes the official ISO makes the updated iso
<SiFuh>
Usually but not always it is released daily
<kh1b>
i found that little late
<SiFuh>
It is also larger and more complete
<SiFuh>
He is awesome. Known he many decades.
<SiFuh>
Bastard pushed PAM into CRUX. HAHAHA
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<kh1b>
SiFuh: are you a contributor?
<SiFuh>
Of course
<SiFuh>
Don't ask beerman though
<SiFuh>
He thinks he is the number one guy and I do nothing
<SiFuh>
There is a bit of animosity between us since he was given core access and forgets all I did. And I am the oldest and longest CRUX user. So he knows shit in my mine. :-P Hahaha
<SiFuh>
I knew Per Liden personally
<SiFuh>
I was using CRUX before it was officially released
<SiFuh>
Like sands in the hour glass, these are the days of our lives.
<SiFuh>
mine/mind*
<kh1b>
so you and the others took it after Per Liden left
<SiFuh>
No
<zorz>
SiFuh:
<SiFuh>
He made it public
<zorz>
setting up the box
<zorz>
you know pgp shh gity
<zorz>
you know pgp shh git
<SiFuh>
jaeger is also an old school guy. But I was before him. He has taken the reigns
<zorz>
fucked up situation
<SiFuh>
And I like jaeger. FUCKING PAM. I like jaeger.
<SiFuh>
kh1b: They have kind of gotten off track these day of what CRUX was meant to be
<SiFuh>
But if worse comes to worse, we will fork it
<SiFuh>
I was thinking the other day CRUXpER
<SiFuh>
To hold the same values as Per and not beerman (Tim)
<kh1b>
what are you Maintaining
<SiFuh>
Nothing now. I am just watching.
<SiFuh>
I have the repo yenjie
<zorz>
ciao
<SiFuh>
But if CRUX goes the way we think it will. CRUX will be owned by this channel because many here like the CRUX that is and not the CRUX that will be.
<kh1b>
SiFuh: ah ok
<SiFuh>
I also provide the kernel config on the ISO for beginners and I re-wrote the broken init system.
<kh1b>
SiFuh: so you are not realy ok, with what its heading towards
<SiFuh>
But I do nothing according to a PORT maintainer with core access
<SiFuh>
kh1b: fuck no.. It is turning into a gay shit possibly systemd crap
<SiFuh>
Oh and emmett1 and I did the CRUX-MUSL version
<SiFuh>
This channel was created becase remiliascarlet and lavaball were spamming #CRUX with shit that a certain CRUX memeber told us to basically fuck off.
<kh1b>
i realy like the port system and package management
<kh1b>
i hope it stays
<kh1b>
like this
<SiFuh>
It will
<kh1b>
and also the init is realy neat and simple
<SiFuh>
Romster's work is legendary
<SiFuh>
kh1b: heh took me many decades to get it fixed
<SiFuh>
I was stone walled. Mostly by Per Liden
<kh1b>
so you were there when he was still involved
<SiFuh>
kh1b: My first 3 patches were good but failed. But jaeger and the other J guy and I managed to get it operational.
<SiFuh>
Yes
<SiFuh>
I was there around about 6 versions before intial release
<SiFuh>
In fact, I used it in my classes. I use to teach Linux/Unix in university in Thailand
<SiFuh>
It was perfect for teaching because everything was hands on. Required skills that had to be taught.
<kh1b>
what happened with the development recently that you didnt like, since you said its going downward
<SiFuh>
Beerman
<SiFuh>
once he got core he turned into an evil being.
<SiFuh>
Smart ass cunt that ignores you and insults you
<SiFuh>
Power went to his head
<SiFuh>
Actually he use to insult me when I'd find problems with his ports. Romster use to join in. Insult the shit out of me.
<SiFuh>
I like Romster.
<SiFuh>
Say I have a broken system and don't know shit. Then when they realised they were the problem no apologies or anything
<SiFuh>
Port was pushed and said "Try it now"
<SiFuh>
Fucking moron
<SiFuh>
Romster wasn't. He'd actually look at his port then comment and then I'd reply and then he'd try again.
<SiFuh>
but beerman has a head like Jupitor. Everything works for him and if it doesn't work for you then you are the problem, not his ports.
<SiFuh>
In the early days he was good. But he changed
<kh1b>
is he the only one in charge of core
<SiFuh>
Now every word he types I want to send him to the hospital.
<SiFuh>
No
<SiFuh>
The others are cool and listen and then yell at you
<SiFuh>
He just yells at you
<SiFuh>
I know people like beerman. When they think they are special everyone else is shit.
<SiFuh>
But they will never remove him because he does most of the port builds.
<SiFuh>
He even broke the rules and modified other people's ports
<SiFuh>
And stole too and took the credit
<SiFuh>
As I said before he instulted me for nftables port then 2 yeaars later stole my port and took 100% credit for it
<SiFuh>
Fine but insult me over it?
<kh1b>
shit seems bad
<SiFuh>
Nah
<kh1b>
doesnt deserve to be in charge
<SiFuh>
He isn't
<SiFuh>
He is a port maintainer
<SiFuh>
but thinks CRUX is his
<SiFuh>
He removes all ports he doesn't use
<SiFuh>
And pushes the shit he uses
<kh1b>
bro thought its his father's property
<SiFuh>
He's a nobody that thinks he is important
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<kh1b>
any new expedition with your truck
<zorz>
beerman fucked crux
<farkuhar>
"21:53 <zorz> ciao ... 22:29 <zorz> beerman fucked crux" <--- is this a longer goodbye than the one that earned the DickCaprio/Winslet Titanic comparison yesterday?
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<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: "Why did I write cat woman?" Maybe you were thinking of anime catgirls.
<remiliascarlet>
farkuhar: "I'm curious in what particular way his window managers are handicapped." By running one under the Gayland protocol.
<remiliascarlet>
farkuhar: "he adopted so much Rust crap that eventually any efficiency advantage offered by Wayland was undermined by the frequent recompiling jobs that Rust entails?" Don't those Rust gayvelopers commonly say that Rust binaries are supposed to just work even 70 years later? Guess yet another excuse they use to rewrite the entire universe into Rust...
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Yes
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: "Japan is calling you" I don't really think so. While seafood is still common, it's more or less in decline in favor for red meat. Has been that way for 20 years now.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: If CRUX goes in the way Beerman wants it to go to, would that mean that CRUX-MUSL will no longer be just the MUSL version of CRUX, but instead a fork of its own?
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: It is probably a fork already
<farkuhar>
remiliascarlet: we eventually got clarification from frinnst about what he meant by Wayland and Rust. Apparently, many of the Wayland replacements for tools he enjoyed under X are written in Rust. So it's not that Wayland was a gateway drug, but rather that Rust has penetrated deeper into the ecosystem of Wayland-native utilities.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Why am I watching this?
<farkuhar>
But I'm still amazed that frinnst's power consumption jumped into the GW range. Maybe Wayland was a gateway drug that prompted him to start mining crypto-currency on his machine.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: Because you're a Telegram user, so always good to know what has changed
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Nothing has changed
<SiFuh>
And in case you don't know Durov has no control over Telegram. He never did
<SiFuh>
He is just the fancy face behind it.
<remiliascarlet>
TOS and transparency report stuff got changed, so that's not nothing.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: You an expert based on this video?