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<lavaball>
openbsd current is broken. in the newest on hosteurope sshfs doesn't work. you can mount, but ls freezes the whole machine. the one on the berlin server works, but xfce4-panel gets float point exception.
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<SiFuh___>
Hmm, my network speed from the ISP dropped significantly today. Instead of pushing over 300Mbps, I was getting only 90Mbps. Then I received a notice from the ISP they have upgraded my network speed for free. So with a bit of tinkering around. OpenBSD is pulling 754Mbps. Winshit 497Mbps and ParrotOS 310Mbps. Hehe
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<farkuhar>
In the 3+ years since sndiod acquired the ability to respect environment variables AUDIOPLAYDEVICE and AUDIORECDEVICE, I never yet tried using them to mimic the asoundrc definition of a virtual "full-duplex" soundcard (which uses one physical card as the playback.pcm, and a different card as the capture.pcm). Sadly, the sndiod environment variables don't achieve this "full-duplex" emulation quite as robustly as asoundrc.
<farkuhar>
The sndio(7) man-page hints at the limitations of these env vars, if you read quite literally the references to "play only mode" and "record only mode". Teleconferencing software is usually not running in either of those modes, and hence is free to ignore those env vars without violating the spec.
<SiFuh>
In OpenBSD it might be different. I think it is default anyway
<SiFuh>
I've never looked into it. But I do know that my surround sound downstairs works awesome and it is on OpenBSD
<farkuhar>
Here's an example of a virtual "full-duplex" card defined using ~/.asoundrc: https://dpaste.org/vqQ8y
<farkuhar>
If you use that ~/.asoundrc with `apulse firefox` in Linux, you can get WebRTC applications to respect the webcam's microphone for input, and route audio output to the internal soundcard. Meanwhile, firefox using the sndio backend seems to respect only AUDIODEVICE, completely ignoring AUDIORECDEVICE and AUDIOPLAYDEVICE.
<farkuhar>
Please tell me it's different in OpenBSD. It would be embarrassing if for this common use-case they don't have a solution just as simple as a customized ~/.asoundrc .
<SiFuh>
We don't have asoundrc at all. But for webcam and microphone it is much different
<SiFuh>
We need to enable video and record via sysctl to begin with. But I have no idea if I can use it in firefox because firefox is limited to what it can and can't access. I have never tried. Maybe lavaball knows
<farkuhar>
Well of course OpenBSD doesn't use asoundrc; that's part of the ALSA project. But a cursory reading of the sndio(7) man-page seems to promise something like what asoundrc makes easy to accomplish, a virtual "full-duplex" card. If the env vars AUDIORECDEVICE and AUDIOPLAYDEVICE cannot actually work this way, then the man-page should elaborate on this limitation.
<SiFuh>
Well in OpenBSD it is the default mode right?
<SiFuh>
And if I remember correctly in OpenBSD we don't bother with the variables. We set it in rc.conf
<SiFuh>
It make sense by introducing the AUDIORECDEVICE
<SiFuh>
Well, I've never bothered with a microphone on OpenBSD and rarely if ever use the webcam. I find those two things useless if I can just pull out an Android device
<SiFuh>
And when they requested zoom, I told them to go get fucked. Telegram or nothing.
<farkuhar>
Yeah, but how many Linux users even bother to install sndiod and compile firefox against it? Most users take the path of least resistance and go with pulseaudio or pipewire. Heck, the Linux binary packages on ftp.mozilla.org aren't even compiled with sndio support. The number of Linux testers for this configuration is orders of magnitude lower than the number of OpenBSD testers, I'd imagine.
<SiFuh>
I heard pipewire is good.
<SiFuh>
I used sndiod on CRUX Linux for awhile though. But still. I don't use webcam or microphone
<SiFuh>
I just unplug it in the laptop when I open it to install NVMe sticks
<SiFuh>
lavaball does video editing, so he *might* be the go-to-guy to ask if he uses them on OpenBSD
<SiFuh>
I do video editing but not home made videos and stuff
<SiFuh>
And we don't have a functional OBStudio. I use shotcut and never bothered to attempt to try
<farkuhar>
Embarrassing that I only discovered firefox's lack of support for AUDIORECDEVICE when I was prepping this week to teach a remote class over Zoom. I had to pull out my CRUX glibc laptop and quickly install firefox-bin and apulse. If I hadn't happened to have a spare CRUX glibc installation, there's no way I could have recompiled contrib/firefox (and pulseaudio) before the first scheduled meeting.
<SiFuh>
I do remember using the variables before but that was years back. Can't remember the outcome. Probably failure
<farkuhar>
Thankfully firefox *does* respect AUDIODEVICE, as confirmed in my tests today. I just have to abandon the idea of a virtual full-duplex soundcard, and stick with hardware that is actually full-duplex. Heh, a USB headset might be good to put on this weekend's shopping list.
<zorz>
SiFuh: my last gadget was a sony walkman 35 years ago
<SiFuh>
Nice
<SiFuh>
I didn't use such things because they required headphones and I hate headphones.
<SiFuh>
I put on 1 and it is too loud for my ears. I put on zero and can't hear anything. I use to put them on 1 and beside my ears and still too loud.
<SiFuh>
When I go to the cinema to watch a movie, I either have earmuff protection on, earplugs or tissues.
<SiFuh>
Oooh Beetlejuice
<SiFuh>
I want to see that at the cinema
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<SiFuh>
zorz: My wife needs me......
<zorz>
SiFuh: electricity disconnection
<zorz>
HAHAHA
<SiFuh>
.... to finish the remaining half of her beer.
<SiFuh>
lavaball: also farkuhar was asking about sndiod and micropone recording and full-duplex. I said maybe you know, but not entirely sure. He is offline now.
<SiFuh>
microphone (But in CRUX)
<SiFuh>
You can read the logs, if you wish
<lavaball>
haha. you give me way more credit that i deserve. i have no idea about any of this. i just use this stuff.
<SiFuh>
that/than*
<lavaball>
i use gentoo for recording. pipewire. that's basically it.
<SiFuh>
Ahh okay. Wasn't sure
<SiFuh>
He asked me but I don't do any recording on any computer myself
<SiFuh>
All my microphones and webcams are not even connected. I usually unplug that shit.
<lavaball>
how do you make porn?
<SiFuh>
No need, I am married
<lavaball>
i said make.
<SiFuh>
I said "No need, I am married"
<lavaball>
this current is really annoying. by far not as fresh as arch and every few months another issue, while arch everything workred always all the time and forever.
<SiFuh>
Current is always annoying
<SiFuh>
It's considered unstable until final release
<lavaball>
i know, i know.
<SiFuh>
Aggressive changes are sometimes pushed in this branch, and complications can arise when building the latest code or upgrading from a previous point in time. Some of the steps for getting over these hurdles are explained on this page. Make sure you've read and understand how to build the system from source before using -current and the instructions below.
<SiFuh>
I stopped by 5.X although I do test it out every now and then
<lavaball>
i need to cook.
<lavaball>
kill me now.
<SiFuh>
I need to take the dog for a shit.
<SiFuh>
Plug he butthole now.
<SiFuh>
he/her
<lavaball>
when is invincible?
<SiFuh>
Is that a movie?
<SiFuh>
I want to see Beetlejuice tonight.
<SiFuh>
I need to buy beer to stash and hide ;-)
<lavaball>
no need for smilies.
<SiFuh>
(=:
<SiFuh>
How about a sword? <:::::::::::::::][====D
<SiFuh>
Or Nunchuku [::::::::]++++[::::::::]
<SiFuh>
Or a bandaged face? C[//_O]D
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: By the way. That dog kennel my wife bought for Aunt Sally that you referred to in some way as a cage. She sleeps in it every night. No one foreced her in and even though we put her bed inside. She always rips it out and sleeps inside the kennel. During the day she sleeps outside. But in the night, she always seems to just walk in by herself and makes herself at home.
<SiFuh>
The door is open always except when washing the floor.
<SiFuh>
Her bed is designed for cats an puppies, but seems after a month or two, she doesn't like it. So she always goes inside. Pulls it out and throws it upside down far away from the kennel.
<SiFuh>
Fine by me. Mattresses are for wimps anyway. If someone gave me a padded bed, I'd do the same.
<SiFuh>
It is funny to watch. She goes inside the kennel. Finds the padded cushion. Then starts dragging it out. Because it is larger than the door it takes her some time. When she finally gets it out, she flips it upside-down and throws it to the far side of the cage.
<SiFuh>
lavaball: Season 2 of Lord of The Rings seems better
<lavaball>
uhahaha
<lavaball>
please.
<lavaball>
i hear nothing good about it.
<lavaball>
and the orcs now being family creatures ...
<SiFuh>
First season sucked
<lavaball>
no.
<lavaball>
but if you like it, have at it.
<SiFuh>
I don't like it
<SiFuh>
And you are right. What is this family shit?
<SiFuh>
They should be violent towards each other like Resident Alien
<SiFuh>
Wife took her to the dog groomer and left her alone for 45 minutes.
<SiFuh>
She only looks at me and refuses to sit near the wife. She sits behind me
<SiFuh>
When we got home. She ignored the wife and only cared about me
<SiFuh>
It's so funny how dogs have emotions like humans
<lavaball>
open url doesn't work anymore either.
<lavaball>
...
<SiFuh>
HAHA
<lavaball>
and why is she wearing a collar?
<SiFuh>
So if she is lost, someone can say "Hey, she has a home" and bring her back.... which I don't want.
<SiFuh>
I will embroider the wife's phone number onto it when I ahve time.
<SiFuh>
I am anti-collar but the reasoning behind it makes sense
<lavaball>
okay.
<SiFuh>
They want to vaccinate her for covid and insert a microchip
<SiFuh>
I told them. "NO, and if you do, you are going to hospital next" So the vets don't dare
<SiFuh>
They even said I must cut out her uterus. Fallopian tubes. I said "NO!"
<lavaball>
haha.
<lavaball>
what is going over there?
<SiFuh>
Oh but when she has periods you need to keep her clean. Good! You ain't injecting or slicing her up.
<SiFuh>
Law actually
<SiFuh>
She gets a special cage far away from the injected. I thought it was because they don't want our dirty dog near them but they said, the injected may infect her.
<SiFuh>
Interesting.
<SiFuh>
They also said that it is dangerous you don't inject her. I said "If she dies from any of the diseases you inject for, then she is week and that is life."
<SiFuh>
weak*
<SiFuh>
lavaball: My brother has a dog and they injected it without his permission. Now it shivers all the time.
<SiFuh>
He had the dog clipped. But instead of clipping it, they remvoed his balls completely. My brother is so angry.
<SiFuh>
But my wife made it very clear. You fuck with us and abuse my dog, my husband is going to put you in hospital.
<lavaball>
well, you got that going for you.
<SiFuh>
Technically Aunt Sally has that going for her.
<lavaball>
yes yes.
<SiFuh>
Silly how the laws says you MUST but street dogs are immune
<SiFuh>
I mean, immune to the laws.
<SiFuh>
I plan to take her back to where we found her on Sunday. To walk and sniff around.
<SiFuh>
All her siblings and cousins are gone. Many are dead now. But some vanished
<SiFuh>
My mechanic killed two and his co-worker killed one. Accidentally
<SiFuh>
But there were a lot more
<SiFuh>
Three mothers and three litters of puppies
<zorz>
SiFuh: sorry i was busy
<SiFuh>
zorz: I was puffing a cigar waiting for collar wearing Aunt Sally to pee on the Chinese temple
<zorz>
oooooooooooooooo
<zorz>
farkuhar before was talking for sndiod. no idea. now i use alsa. and sound quality is the best i had.
<zorz>
good thing ungoogled chromium works with alsa.
<zorz>
SiFuh: the dog pee on the temple?
<SiFuh>
Yes
<zorz>
muahahahahaha
<SiFuh>
She loves beer, meat and hates Chinese people and Chinese religion
<zorz>
I am sure the dog is yours!
<zorz>
ahhahaha
<SiFuh>
She is much like me
<SiFuh>
She likes me over everyone anyway. My wife can't walk her. So I walk the dog and then after 30 minutes of fun and tricks, I hand it to the wife.
<zorz>
Need is a Need... the Need... You cant control!
<zorz>
heh
<SiFuh>
What is more interesting is I rarely see her.
<SiFuh>
I ignore her like 99% of the time. Do my own shit. She comes and annoys me. I put her in the cage.
<SiFuh>
I let her out when done.
<SiFuh>
But my friend who is a professional military/police/immigration dog trainer says. She is sure about you because you are consistent. Everyone else is confusing for her.
<SiFuh>
Both cousins and both nieces have been informed already. You are banned! Dog training starts 4 days ago. They can no longer go near or touch her.
<SiFuh>
I need her ready for when we go to Japan.
<zorz>
Fear to Japan then!
<SiFuh>
Only wife, father, nephew and I are allowed to go near her.
<SiFuh>
No she can't go to Japan
<SiFuh>
She is unvaccinated
<zorz>
She will take care of the property ?
<SiFuh>
She will go to the Aunt's home
<SiFuh>
property? Hahahah you mean properly.
<zorz>
home
<SiFuh>
They don't treat the dog like family or a life form. They treat it like a play toy
<zorz>
you go japan
<zorz>
dog stays in ML
<SiFuh>
Yes
<zorz>
property
<zorz>
heh
<SiFuh>
The dog is not property
<SiFuh>
If she wants to leave, then fine, fuck of bitch. But be careful. lavaball is out there looking for bitches
<SiFuh>
of/off
<SiFuh>
She gets caged 3 times a day. Most of the time, she is free to run around.
<SiFuh>
But because the cousins are pussy ass stupid coward bitches that cry like hyenas and over exagerrate everything
<zorz>
eeeeeeeeee what to do
<SiFuh>
Ban them
<lavaball>
i like them a lot less hairy.
<SiFuh>
We officially banned the cousins and nieces from associating with her
<SiFuh>
Because I spend hours teaching the dog and they spend seconds destroying everything
<SiFuh>
The dog now barks and attacks everyone.
<zorz>
hahahahha
<zorz>
hours - seconds
<SiFuh>
That's a court case in the making. It is because of them
<SiFuh>
Yeah it fucking pissed me off.
<SiFuh>
The only thing she remember is 'sit'
<SiFuh>
She has bitten everyone and everything now
<SiFuh>
They blame the dog. I said "The dog is not the reason. It is you all that did this. It is never the dogs fault."
<SiFuh>
Training pitbulls is the same. The owner trains it to be obedient and follow the commands. If it fails it loses the fight
<SiFuh>
My second biggest problem is the wife. She mollycoddles it.
<zorz>
SiFuh: have you heard what happen in French ?
<SiFuh>
No, only in English
<zorz>
with the wife, getting druged and then the husband calling people from the net to have sex with her
<zorz>
Fuckin hell man
<SiFuh>
Sometimes I read the news in Vietnamese, Thai and Russian
<zorz>
good for you
<SiFuh>
I guess you didn't understand your mistake
<SiFuh>
It is not French because that is the language
<SiFuh>
You should have said France. As in the country
<SiFuh>
I need vodka. Where is my vodak.
<SiFuh>
I have 100 litres
<SiFuh>
zorz: Tomorrow is .. I mean today. Is going to be interesting.
<SiFuh>
I have plenty to do but someone who I will meat tomorrow wants to know how I can throw logs between 70 to 140 KG.
<SiFuh>
meet*
<SiFuh>
This is going to be remiliascarlet stuff. I told him wait until I arrive there. I will explain about why your diet is most important.
<SiFuh>
Here they eat MSG and sugar and they are very weak
<SiFuh>
But look like King Kong.
<SiFuh>
Also want to explain to them your forearms are way more important than biceps and how you position your legs.
<SiFuh>
Then I go to watch Beetlejuice at the cinema
<SiFuh>
Might take the wife to the Japanese restaurant as well again.
<zorz>
it will be nice day
<SiFuh>
Originally the dog was suppose to come
<SiFuh>
Because it is near where we found her
<SiFuh>
So I moved the walk to Sunday instead
<SiFuh>
Shame because Sunday is when I BMX the planet
<SiFuh>
I haven't been able to BMX for over 2 months. Fucking dog
<SiFuh>
lavaball: They wanted to give the dog a stupid collar with a bell. I said "No!" They asked why and I said "Bells are for cats and cows" They said "But you can hear her coming" I replied "I need the bell, not the dog. Because no one hears me coming even her".
<SiFuh>
Why the fuck does a dog need a bell? Their ears are insanely sensitive. How much pain would that inflict?
<SiFuh>
I was very annoyed.
<SiFuh>
She says "We only have these" So I walked around and asked "What about these?"... LIARS! They had nice collars
<SiFuh>
Anyway, suggested to get a dog tag, but I think better I just sew the number on her collar.
<zorz>
next step will be a chip
<zorz>
heh
<SiFuh>
NO!
<zorz>
HAHA
<SiFuh>
She is not getting a fucking chip dude
<zorz>
I could imagine your face
<SiFuh>
If she gets lost and loses her collar. Then good luck to her
<SiFuh>
Simple.
<SiFuh>
I believe in warriors
<SiFuh>
If she fails then she failed
<SiFuh>
If she dies, her body failed (Even if hit by a car)
<SiFuh>
She is under our protection when with us. If she decides to leave us for any reason short or long, she is on her own.
<SiFuh>
zorz: It is quite common though for dog haters to throw poisoned meat onto your property to kill your dog
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<SiFuh>
lavaball: Dog lives outside ^
<SiFuh>
lavaball: It isn't a Muslim thing. But sometimes it is Muslims
<SiFuh>
Her dog barks at everyone now, no thanks to the cousins.... Many Muslims are concerned but they don't seem to bother to much. I can't let her in to be a house dog because she is a street dog.
<zorz>
teach the dog not to eat food from strangers
<SiFuh>
I am thinking to change her to be a house dog
<SiFuh>
And I hate critters in the house
<SiFuh>
lavaball and I have something in common
<zorz>
you are both gay
<zorz>
heh
<SiFuh>
I am not gay
<lavaball>
haha, nice ,zorz.
<SiFuh>
I am married and I love my boring wife
<lavaball>
nice.
<lavaball>
haha
<SiFuh>
I would like her to sleep outside with the dog
<SiFuh>
lavaball: Nice? This dude wears jeans tighter than the blue oyster club.
<SiFuh>
I walk around with rags from the 90's and he wears tootpick legs
<lavaball>
why, dementia boy?
<lavaball>
the joke was good. came out of left field. just be quiet if you don't understand it.
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