<SiFuh>
‘He saved his hair for many years to be able to donate it to cancer patients. That's the kind of person I experienced him to be.’
<SiFuh>
I bet a few Lebanese lost hair
<zorz>
hahaha
<zorz>
i finish dnsmasq setup and search online for this 8200 group
<zorz>
SiFuh_: you know a guy fixed blackbox. its better than fluxbox, but the toolbar has not 100% width and you need bbkeys.
<SiFuh>
Speak English
<zorz>
i was playing with wm since i have a partition with artix linux/arch
<SiFuh>
Fluxbox is way more advanced
<zorz>
there is a person that maintains icewm and blackbox.
<SiFuh>
Brian Bidulock
<zorz>
so i tried blackbox. and compared to fluxbox, fluxbox derives from blackbox
<zorz>
yes
<SiFuh>
Yes, and it was made to have more features
<zorz>
so..... blackbox... seems to run better than fluxbox
<SiFuh>
No it doesn't
<SiFuh>
My fluxbox is awesome.
<SiFuh>
And I can configure almost every part I want.
<zorz>
cool
<zorz>
i think as i run them both
<zorz>
the resolution of blackbox, seemed better.... but again you know better.
<SiFuh>
I have tabbing, modified keys, modified decorations, 12 desktops, pseudo tiling. I can extend or shrink my 'taskbar' as you call it. I can make it centered or left or right. I can put it on top, on the left of the screen vertically. I can configure the taskbar to display what I want. I can make it transparent.
<SiFuh>
I can merge windows together.
<SiFuh>
Bet you can't do most of that with Blackbox.
<SiFuh>
And needing bbeys or bbconf is a bit weird. Fluxbox is configured with a text editor. And all keys are in a file you write.
<SiFuh>
It can remember window positions, window decoreations, window sizes and even where on the desktop or which desktop.
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<zorz>
if i was on x i would be with i3 and fluxbox
<zorz>
but x is to slow, and xterm/rxvt are slow so, river and foot
<SiFuh>
It can go anywhere, horizontal or verticle
<SiFuh>
It uses Window Maker dock apps
<zorz>
ok got it
<SiFuh>
I have a shortcut to remove window decorations
<SiFuh>
And all my terminals and some other programs, I don't have a close button. The causes me to close programs by the program rather than the window manager
<SiFuh>
The/This*
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<farkuhar>
zorz: 'lo
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: He didn't seem to take a peak at your large log.
<SiFuh>
But I did inform him you wanted him to see it
<SiFuh>
peek*
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: But he seems to be fine with opening an image of your widescreen monitor.
<SiFuh>
Mine looks nicer :-P
<farkuhar>
How does that old saying go? A picture is worth a thousand words? If so, zorz is taking in a lot more information by opening your screenshot than by reading the IRC log.
<zorz>
farkuhar: 'lo
<SiFuh>
Hell'
<zorz>
what log
<SiFuh>
farkuhar's large log
<zorz>
complicated :P
<zorz>
give me link
<farkuhar>
In 2001 I remember deliberately setting up a Linux installation without any graphical environment (almost like what alexmat achieves by deactivating the xorg repo). Web browsing was limited to lynx and w3m; email I did with mutt. I thereby forced myself to visit a different computer lab whenever I needed to do any graphical work.
<SiFuh>
01:42:01 [SiFuh> zorz: Ignore the high pressure water thing I was talking about.
<SiFuh>
01:42:15 [SiFuh> Just look at farkuhar's large log
<SiFuh>
01:42:53 [SiFuh> zorz: It's all he wanted you to peek at and fiddle around with for a bit.
<zorz>
uwumeowmeownyaa.
<zorz>
this one?
<farkuhar>
uwumeowmeownyaa GNU/Linux, you mean.
<SiFuh>
Heh
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I don't know if you were online when he came back again
<farkuhar>
Who, the one who likes to play games in #crux?
<SiFuh>
This one farkuhar
<SiFuh>
21:43:24 [uwumeowmeownyaa> Recently I've spent two days configurin a Debian GNU/Linux distribution to suit my needs. How long would it take me to configure CRUX GNU/Linux to achieve the same result?
<SiFuh>
21:44:04 [uwumeowmeownyaa> By two days I mean 6 and 8 hours respectively.
<SiFuh>
21:57:39 [darfo_> What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
<farkuhar>
Yeah, I saw that. But ppetrov^s question about python3 port names came too late; the connection to Monty Python feels like a stretch.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Not really, it's a common saying and was very well timed and appropriate
<zorz>
i change the the writing of the pkgfile to this
<SiFuh>
The question is often referred to online as a way of calling a topic or question overly trivial or technical
<farkuhar>
zorz: test it out on a few more ports, and if it holds up, we can call your pipman fork a success.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Then we can rename him to zorz-pipman
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: I'm talking about ppetrov^s follow-up, where he asks about the convention of prefixing all the python ports with "python3-". That question came several hours after darfo's retort, so it feels like a stretch to infer any connection.
<zorz>
ok i download the txt file i will check it later
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: But it wasn't connected
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: oh, I thought you were making a connection when you wrote "ppetrov^: Hahaha ^" with the caret pointing at the Monty Python quote.
<SiFuh>
No I was notifying ppetrov^ that Uvuvwevwevwe Onyetenyevwe Ugwemuhwem Osas was going on about CRUX GNU/Linux again.
<farkuhar>
Anyway, blackbox versus fluxbox ... by opting for a tty-only Linux installation back in 2001, I saved myself the trouble of choosing among all the idiosyncratic window managers out there, and outsourced the decision of graphical environment to the staff who administered the public computer lab.
<farkuhar>
It felt rather liberating not to have any choice in the matter of WM. When there are too many choices available, paralysis and indecision (or distro-hopping) are often the result.
<ppetrov^>
SiFuh, I know
<ppetrov^>
it's just CRUX. Deal with it
<SiFuh>
We should post that everytime Uvuvwevwevwe Onyetenyevwe Ugwemuhwem Osas calls it CRUX GNU/Linux
<SiFuh>
Should make a CRUX-Hurd as well
<ppetrov^>
in an upcoming (hopefully) paper, I wrote it the CRUX distribution of GNU/Linux, trying to make everyone happy
<farkuhar>
"Should make a CRUX-Hurd" <- this from the guy who doesn't want to try merging the 3.8 branch into CRUX-MUSL until the core team releases a final 3.8
<zorz>
farkuhar: right now i uninstalled dhdcpd, i fixed dnsmasq with openresolv and i am investigating the cgroups and runit of artix
<farkuhar>
zorz: I'm amazed you manage to juggle all that, and hop around from one WM to the next at the same time.
<zorz>
i dedicated 50gb of space to artix linux. i use all the binary packages of arch. quite easy
<zorz>
SiFuh: 1972 Mahmoud Hamshari first telephone bomb
<zorz>
hahaha
<zorz>
Mosad has Phd in this bombs.
<ppetrov^>
zorz, do you have a ports repo?
<ppetrov^>
of GNU/CRUX I mean
<SiFuh>
zorz: You didn't dedicate shit. You will replace the Artix soon
<zorz>
ppetrov^: codeberg/zorz/crux
<ppetrov^>
GNRUX
<zorz>
CRUiX
<zorz>
ppetrov^: codeberg.org/zorz/crux
<farkuhar>
zorz: back in April I seem to have git-cloned a 12-GB texlive directory straight from CTAN, perhaps in an attempt to partition the collections into separate tarballs (the way Arch used to do). I haven't touched the directory since then, so it represents 12GB of space waiting to be repurposed.
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<SiFuh>
zorz: Lots of those ports are mine. :-P You didn't change anything except for the maintainer's name.
<zorz>
its quite wayland
<ppetrov^>
so, is codeberg sth like github?
<zorz>
better
<farkuhar>
As I said a couple days ago, by redefining download_source() in the texlive Pkgfile I can get pkgmk to use the install-tl script instead of curl or wget, and then I don't have to maintain an index of all the URLs for the various TeX collections.
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: It's freaking slow here
<ppetrov^>
it's freaking fast here, actually
<ppetrov^>
zorz, how is it better?
<zorz>
SiFuh: and ofcourse some ports are yours, updated and wayland
<zorz>
codeberg
<ppetrov^>
poor SiFuh , newbies come and poach his ports
<ppetrov^>
me, included
<zorz>
ppetrov^: codeberg can run without income for the next 10 years. its completely free
<ppetrov^>
xpdf started off as his port, mplayer too
<SiFuh>
beerman too
<ppetrov^>
ah, we come to your favourite guy
<zorz>
my mesa when compiles, is 1600 lines. crux mesa which is for everything is 3000lines in cxx i mean
<SiFuh>
Tim-Bers
<farkuhar>
Has SiFuh considered moving the beerman port to his unmaintained repo?
<zorz>
hahahaha
<zorz>
farkuhar: ahhaahaha
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Many already.
<ppetrov^>
SiFuh, is the foundation of CRUX
<ppetrov^>
should be called SiFuh/CRUX
<SiFuh>
Funny that you say that
<zorz>
CRUXiFuh
<farkuhar>
Oh, maybe you meant to cite beerman as an example of a *poacher*, not a *port being poached*. The ambiguity is funny that way.
<ppetrov^>
spot on, zorz
<zorz>
SiCRUXih
<SiFuh>
Quick zorz, wipe it off. It might be a Monkey pox spot
<zorz>
why in crux no cgroups?
<farkuhar>
SiFuh also types too slowly. "beerman too" came right after ppetrov^ started listing specific ports (xpdf and mplayer), so the juxtaposition made it look like beerman was being cited as a port.
<zorz>
say to beerman to add cgroups
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I understand what you meant. But I think by zorz's laughter he didn't
<farkuhar>
Well, at one point SiFuh joked that beerman might be a bot, which is a plausible evolution for something that started as a port in the yenjie repo.
<farkuhar>
Cautionary lesson for zorz, then. Mark this moment when you first unleashed pipman into the wild. In 20 years if it starts to exhibit arrogance and bossiness in its IRC appearances, you'll be able to say "that was once my port, but I lost the ability to maintain it."
<zorz>
its not mine man.... i forked it
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I don't think he got that joke
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: too subtle for most users, I know. Especially those who haven't been here very long.
<zorz>
okay
<zorz>
let me tell you why pop to distros. i wanted to bruteforce some passwords with hashcat. and i needed rocm amd for my gpu to go faster.
<zorz>
the conlusion, debian sucks! they put put files nothing works
<zorz>
they mmake a trick with a pocl for cpu
<zorz>
void forget about it
<zorz>
artix yes.
<zorz>
10 minutes to bruteforce 8 digit pass on my machine
<zorz>
debian.... 1 day
<zorz>
this rocm it will be nice to be ported in crux
<farkuhar>
zorz: what's so valuable on that machine that you needed to bruteforce a passcode? Couldn't you just recreate the lost data from other sources?
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<zorz>
no i need the password of neihghboor wifi
<farkuhar>
One of my favorite quotes in literature: "Alles, was einmal gedacht wird, kann wieder gedacht werden. Jetzt oder in der Zukunft. Weil es denkbar ist." This passage from Duerrenmatt kinda puts data loss into proper perspective.
<farkuhar>
But I guess if you're only using hashcat to gain access to neighborhood wifi, not to recover data on a drive that you forgot the password to, then the Duerrenmatt quote is less applicable.
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<farkuhar>
Now if the neighbors themselves still know the password (i.e. haven't forgotten what they chose a long time ago), wouldn't a wrench be easier than hashcat and rocm-amd? https://xkcd.com/538/
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<farkuhar>
Forgetting neighborhood wifi passwords, heh. On my desktop I create a user dedicated to receiving FTP uploads from the flatbed scanner on the local network. On my latest re-installation I forgot what password had been saved in the network scanner's memory, but by navigating to its configuration page I could see all the account credentials in plaintext.
<SiFuh>
I have over 6 hundred usernames and passwords that I scored from a secondhand banking computer which will become fire kindling tomorrow night.
<farkuhar>
It's strange that the online configuration page of this printer/scanner is so relaxed when it comes to account credentials. I wonder if a firmware update would tighten the security, obfuscating the saved password as a string of asterisks instead.
<SiFuh>
Bahahahaha
<SiFuh>
Open a website with a password in ************ with firefox. Then press F12. Find the section where the password is and change it to text and voila. Password appears in plain text most of the time.
<zorz>
hahahaha
<SiFuh>
It is actually how I get many people's router's passwords.
<SiFuh>
Or there Wi-Fi passwords
<zorz>
neat
<SiFuh>
It's an ancient trick
<SiFuh>
I wouldn't call it a hack. More like a reveal
<zorz>
farkuhar: beerman to write console-setup.... what is this? we need the console to be set-uped :P
<SiFuh>
I will need to kick the dog, reverse the car in and pack for camping soon.
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<farkuhar>
SiFuh doesn't trust locks and doors to keep his house secure. A guard dog might be better, but I would think that kicking a dog would not engender the loyalty needed in a guard dog.
<SiFuh>
Heh
<SiFuh>
kick the dog out*
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<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I don't need a guard dog. I have a Katana and I can still hear things before it registers in her pea brain.
<SiFuh>
My wife turns the corner into our street about 4 blocks away. I look at the dog and said "She is coming" The dog doesn't realise until the wife is at the gate.
<farkuhar>
Meanwhile, lavaball seems to have much greater faith in the security of his locks and doors. And midfavila (in #kisslinux) was deciding whether to pursue a locksmithing credential, but found the prospect much more convoluted (in Canada at least) than getting a networking certificate.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: He seems a bit upset
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: antecedent unclear. Who is "he"? lavaball, midfavila, or your dog?
<SiFuh>
Dog is a she
<SiFuh>
littleballs
<SiFuh>
He asked remiliascarlet to sleep and then went offline and remiliascarlet said she doesn't sleep with creepy muppets. I directed hi attention to it and said he isn't invested or something, so won't read. But I know he did because he went all weird after that.
<SiFuh>
directed his*
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: what good is your katana against house burglars when you're away on a camping trip? Or do you not leave anything valuable in the house when you go camping?
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I don't think there is anything of value in my house except my BMX
<SiFuh>
They'd make more money ripping the copper wires out of the walls and selling that
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: lavaball's language leaves room for a more charitable interpretation. He always phrases it "remi, you coming?" which still allows the possibility that she'd be *standing guard*, not sleeping with him.
<SiFuh>
I find it funny that pretty much no one likes him, and yet he still comes back thinking he is all important and interesting.
<farkuhar>
Meanwhile, if you treated the stray dog a little more gently (not kicking her), then she could serve as a guard while you're away on the camping trip.
<SiFuh>
kick the dog out* <----
<farkuhar>
At least then your BMX and copper wires would be slightly more secure.
<SiFuh>
Next week, I am training that dog to shut the fuck and stop barking
<SiFuh>
I'd rather her bite the intruder than yell at it and then run away cowardly
<farkuhar>
Oh, a silent attack dog, those were always the scariest ones when I played Wolfenstein 3-D.
<SiFuh>
Yes, and any dog that barks at me, I have never been concerned about
<farkuhar>
What is zorz talking about, this console-setup thing? Is it something he needs when ripping out the perfectly good sysvinit and replacing it with runit?
<SiFuh>
I don't know. His finger's are like a woman that can talk under water with a mouth full of marbles.
<farkuhar>
remiliascarlet answered uwumeowmeownyaa by contrasting CRUX design with the "poor choices" adopted by mainstream distros. I wonder if she would defend sysvinit just as strongly as some of the less controversial choices that CRUX has made.
<farkuhar>
Replacing pkg-config with pkgconf, that was good, but some users in #kisslinux are saying it doesn't go far enough. For them even pkgconf is bloated, and u-config is their preferred alternative.
<zorz>
farkuhar: Crux should start with the basic, create a folder bash in /etc/ put /etc/ folder in order and then check for pkg-config HAHA
<zorz>
first learn bicycle and then go to themonn
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I can think of poor choices. dumb_runtime_dir, sudo, PAM, beerman
<zorz>
exactly
<zorz>
and python ?
<SiFuh>
Hmm car is packed. Hope I have gone over the GVM
<SiFuh>
haven't
<farkuhar>
Hmm, I seem to recall that python the language took its name from the comedy troupe, not from the snake. So maybe it's not such a non-sequitur that ppetrov^ asked about the naming convention "python3-*" right underneath SiFuh citing the source of darfo's retort, even if separated by 4+ hours.
<SiFuh>
Ohhhhh
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I understand what you mean now
<SiFuh>
No ppetrov^ asked about the naming. Then cruxbox spammed the channel with python3-* files so I said ppetrov^: ^. As in read what cruxbot just did.
<farkuhar>
TBH I haven't looked at alan's repo in a very long time, so I didn't quite understand why it was being used as an example of what would be affected by an overhaul of our python2/python3 packaging. Now I'm curious to see what alan's been up to.
<SiFuh>
alan has one of the largest repos. It is a bit of a mess. It get's new ports all the time. The old ports end up stagnanting until the break. He doesn't seem to use prtverify. But the reason is he has a lot of python ports.
<SiFuh>
Congratulations ppetrov^. You seem to have one of the cleanest repos out there, like me. But you have over 400 ports and I only have over 100 ports now. ;-)
<farkuhar>
Regarding dumb choices and PAM: did you notice how quickly they dropped stenur's pam_xdg from contrib? Almost the same week as jue's "we've decided to ban you from here"?
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Doesn't count. he only has 56 ports. He's still an amateur. HAHAHAHAHAHA
<SiFuh>
stenur wasn't banned. He was stripped of maintainer status
<farkuhar>
2022-12-22 is when pam_xdg got ejected from contrib. stenur's commit privileges were revoked just a few days earlier, right?
<SiFuh>
stenur wasn't banned. He was stripped of maintainer status
<farkuhar>
Well, jue could have been a bit clearer in the language he used on IRC, then.
<SiFuh>
I got my police status demoted doesn't mean the station banned me. It means I am stripped of what ever promotion I had had.
<farkuhar>
Following up on ppetrov^s question: what distinguishes a port that deserves the python3- prefix from a port that doesn't? Substantial parts of qutebrowser are written in python, but we don't call the port python3-qutebrowser.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: serpente has been permanently banned from Libera chat.
<SiFuh>
He is an evil IRC spam drone (litmus/sdbot/fyle)
<SiFuh>
serpente: world is so unfair... lavaball is there talking shit and I'm banned
<farkuhar>
Heh, qutebrowser even shows up in the PyPI index. python gets incorporated into so many ports these days, I'm surprised our portdb isn't more overwhelmed by names that match the python3-* glob.
<farkuhar>
If too many ports start getting named python3-* then the prefix becomes meaningless, and we might as well strip it away to save everybody the trouble of typing it. What value does the python3- prefix really add, in a world where python is so ubiquitous?
<ppetrov^>
SiFuh, thanks for the nice words, i try. However, I keep finding stuff to fix
<zorz>
farkuhar: base install of arch had gpg but no python
<zorz>
all python packages in void and arch are python-
<farkuhar>
zorz: core-only install of CRUX has python3 but no gpg.
<zorz>
hahahahahahah
<zorz>
even worst
<SiFuh>
God and Magog
<zorz>
you need python for meso
<zorz>
meson
<farkuhar>
zorz: you're dodging the question. What makes something a "python package"? And why does qutebrowser not qualify?
<ppetrov^>
so, looking at crux.ninja, kde-plasma-6 is labelled "official"
<ppetrov^>
will it be distributet similar to contrib?
<zorz>
qutebrowser is qtwebengine but python drives the engine
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: the host went down for maintenance, but it's back up by now.
<zorz>
very busy needs maintenace
<SiFuh>
Oh it is jaeger's not Romster's
<farkuhar>
SiFuh was thinking of crux.ster.zone
<SiFuh>
Yes
<zorz>
where is farkuhar in portdb, i do not see a name. Is he under the name jolupalabs ? :P
<zorz>
crux.ster is nice name
<zorz>
a bit sisi
<farkuhar>
Heh, Arch distributes binary packages, so they don't need to have meson and ninja in their base repo. That's convenient if you like your installations python-free.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: zorz: ppetrov^: Lost my cheap flashlight the other day. Didn't realise until almost a week later. I was looking everyone except where it could be and couldn't find it. Thinking about it all evening, went to sleep and then I dreamed I found it. It was standing upright in a hard to reach location behind something and it was dark.
<zorz>
correct
<zorz>
actually only 1-2 packages need meson
<SiFuh>
Fresh on the mind, I woke up and then thought "Inside the dashboard! Behind the glove-box. I was doing some wiring in the wife's car". Pulled out the glove-box and it was 'hanging' upright off of some wires near her ECU.
<farkuhar>
zorz: "only 1-2 packages"? We saw the aftermath of the quick push to eradicate autotools in favor of meson, in every port where that was possible. A disgruntled libarchive bug report, and then stenur lost his contrib commit privileges.
<ppetrov^>
SiFuh, the Universe speaks to you, man
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: In weird ways :-P
<farkuhar>
So zorz claims that stenur "builds better than beerman" ... is it based on stenur's cautiousness regarding the use of meson/ninja instead of autotools? stenur would prefer to put the new build systems through more stringent tests, before using them in a published port?
<farkuhar>
Or is zorz referring to the mesa port (1600 lines in his version, versus 3000 lines of cxx in beerman's)
<SiFuh>
Why does he always come here. I guess we'll never know. It's kind of like a torture, When comes an joins the show!
<SiFuh>
Hehehe
<SiFuh>
Slightly modified version of the Muppet Show Song there.
<lavaball>
i'm here to collect material.
<farkuhar>
That ambiguity above where beerman could have been either a poacher of ports, or himself a port (marked unmaintained? ... or unmaintainable?), takes on new meaning when paired with zorz's claim that "stenur builds better than beerman."
<farkuhar>
*Collecting* can be done without any active engagement (just read the logs). By joining the channel, he signals that he wants to *provoke* material, not merely collect it.
<lavaball>
doesn't change what i said.
<lavaball>
also would feel shady to just crawl the logs.
<lavaball>
not to mention it's funnier if i point out mistakes and then the squirming begins.
<zorz>
haha
<zorz>
farkuhar: haha
<farkuhar>
lavaball thinks it's a mistake to imply that a katana-wielding guard would be of any benefit to him while he naps, because his doors and locks are secure enough. SiFuh scoffs at the doors and locks, pointing out that a dedicated intruder would find other ways to enter.
<zorz>
funny world, stenur no priviledge and beerman has
<farkuhar>
Then SiFuh goes away on a camping trip, aware that his stray dog is not yet a sufficient deterrent to burglars, but not caring because the only valuables in his house are copper wire and a BMX.
<SiFuh>
Muslims here are afraid dogs.
<SiFuh>
Secondly there are many ways to enter a person's home. For example here the Eaves are made of thin wood or fibro. Can cut that shit open and enter the ceiling, tiled roves are very common also
<lavaball>
farkuhar, did you miss the 0.5 half person?
<SiFuh>
lavaball: Go on. Prove me wrong. Out of 1 million people 1/2 a person died
<SiFuh>
lavaball: Out of 2 pectorial muscles you only have 1 and a 1/2.
<SiFuh>
Does one flap in the wind whilst the other sits firm?
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: Just reminded me of what someone once said. "When I went to school, women had long legs and big boobs. 10 years later, they have big legs and long boobs"
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: lavaball: On a different topic. I go camping with the KKM group. They are the injection pushers. They work for the Health department. They also do the mosquito gassing across the towns when they hear "There was one case of dengue" err... 'did you forget mosquitoes fly?". What is less surprising is that most of their children have disabilities, down syndrome and/or are autistic.
<SiFuh>
What is interesting is the weed smokers ahve very stupid children, and the Kratom drinkers all have healthy children.
<lavaball>
SiFuh, i thought you actually grasped the concept!
<lavaball>
hahaha
<SiFuh>
Latin name for Kratom is Mitragyna speciosa
<SiFuh>
I drink it sometimes. And I ask the health department to get me some. :-P Even though it is an illegal plant here
<lavaball>
anyway, i still have the link. so i refrained from asking remi yesterday, but i guess we have to get through that.
<SiFuh>
Because you were referred to as a creepy muppet?
<SiFuh>
She said "I don't sleep with creepy muppets."
<SiFuh>
I like farkuhar's response. You need her to stand guard with her knife.
<SiFuh>
I guess with a microscopic sagging pectorial muscle you may need her to stand guard.
<SiFuh>
lavaball: Try this. If you want to use your arms for anything, try the weakest arm and stop using your dominant arm. Become ambidextrose
<SiFuh>
When I lived in China, I use to block a specific sense as well. For the entire weekend. So no eyes for a month of weekends, no ears for another month of weekends
<SiFuh>
I remember in Shanghai, HuiQing took me to a restaurant. I was blind folded. They handed me a menu. She snapped "Can't you see he is blind?"
<SiFuh>
I almost died the first day though. Crossing the road and she walked off.
<lavaball>
SiFuh, what?
<SiFuh>
I use to hate talking to her. She'd stop to get her point across and I was still walking
<lavaball>
what what waht? what does that have to do with anything?
<SiFuh>
You want muscles on both arms of near equal size. Then learn to use the weakest arm
<SiFuh>
Not hard
<lavaball>
but what has that to do with the 0.5 in one million?
<SiFuh>
Because you are pretty dumb and never got the joke
<SiFuh>
German humour fails against the rest of Western humour
<lavaball>
seriously, i couldn't make this shit up if i wanted to. and if i told this to anyone, he wouldn't believe me.
<lavaball>
like this is invader zim style logic.
<lavaball>
thank so much for this.
<lavaball>
it's like finding a unicorn.
<SiFuh>
Glad it made your day
<lavaball>
i'm actually worried i won't be able to translate this to the screen.
<SiFuh>
You worry too easily
<lavaball>
that's easy for you to say. you spew this nonsense without even knowing that it's comedy gold.
<SiFuh>
It is comedy gold.
<SiFuh>
You just take time to realise it
<SiFuh>
If you read correctly, I was teasing you because of your retarded use of explaining shit in English
<lavaball>
this is about math. equations to be exact. not english.
<lavaball>
anyway, we'll wait for remi.
<SiFuh>
No it was about you speaking like a dog vomiting
<lavaball>
though after my experiences here, i'm honestly curious if she understand it.
<lavaball>
like i said, i wouldn't have had to explain it, if you understood simple equations.
<SiFuh>
Keep trying to convince yourself.
<lavaball>
either way, my anglais is fine. so stop distracting.
<lavaball>
hahahahahahahahah
<lavaball>
like you with the jack napier becoming the joker thing?
<lavaball>
you see how these start adding up.
<lavaball>
again, i recommend you getting tested for dementia.
<SiFuh>
Yes, you talk shit and think you are god's gift to mankind, but you are too stupid to realise you are just full of shit.
<SiFuh>
Got it
<SiFuh>
Delusional Disorder, that is what you have.
<lavaball>
haha, your 0.5/half person thing was so funny, i shared it with my math buddy and got instant bewilderment.
<lavaball>
so yeah, you can't gaslight me.
<SiFuh>
Does he speak English?
<lavaball>
anyway, food is done. i'll get back to you.
<SiFuh>
Was he bewildered by your lack of linguistic skills?
<SiFuh>
No, I am leaving.
<lavaball>
i pasted what you said.
<SiFuh>
Did you paste what you said?
<lavaball>
of course. context, remember? the thing you don't understand at all.
<SiFuh>
So I guess his English sucks as bad as yours then
<lavaball>
hahahahaha
<lavaball>
yeah. that must be it.
<SiFuh>
It was the entire point from the start
<lavaball>
so maybe one day you reflect on all this and realize that you were the one lying to yourself.
<lavaball>
no, it wasn't.
<SiFuh>
But you are to deluded to see that
<lavaball>
you know we have the logs, right?
<lavaball>
hahaha, like when you said the 0.5 means 5000 people.
<SiFuh>
Yes, so go read them
<lavaball>
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
<lavaball>
hahahahahahahah
<lavaball>
still makes me laugh.
<SiFuh>
It didn't make me laugh.
<SiFuh>
Felt like I was talking to an imbecile
<lavaball>
haha, yeah. let's wait for remi.
<SiFuh>
She doesn't go by that name
<SiFuh>
Guess your pectorial muscle is to lazy to type the rest of her name
<lavaball>
you type with your tits?
<SiFuh>
I don't have and if I was a woman, I'd have you in prison for sexual abuse
<lavaball>
you could already have me in prison for elderly abuse, considering the walls i let you run into.
<SiFuh>
I'd like to report a sleazy creep that looks like a muppet. He is anti vaccine, far right and is harrassing me online. Sexual abuse!
<SiFuh>
He often talks about hunting minors and fucking possums from elderly. Something about looking for oysters.
<SiFuh>
Here is a video of him harrassing Conan. You can use facial recognition. Also here is his channel
<SiFuh>
He isn't Kermit the frog
<SiFuh>
He's also insanely racist and hates the immigrants coming to Germany.
<SiFuh>
You'd be gone in a wisk. You'd be priority number one.
<zorz>
i think when you compile your kernel and you use kernels efistub you are better with sysvinit
<zorz>
so farkuhar kisslinux may kiss your arse
<zorz>
:-)
<farkuhar>
fuck you zorzy!
<zorz>
actually my rcctl script is nice with sysvinit
<zorz>
maybe i rename it to sv
<zorz>
i eve did autocompletion.
<zorz>
and ofcourse there always daemontools deamontools-encore
<ppetrov^>
zorz, any progress with the pip2crux tool?
<farkuhar>
So with the kernel's efistub you don't have the freedom to pass "init=..." on the kernel command line. That value must be compiled in, which is less easily broken when you're using sysvinit.
<ppetrov^>
i actually avoid to have my own ports for packages included in CRUX
<farkuhar>
Notably, where beerman would aim for a "fluid port" that adapts to various use-cases (FS#1576), zorz prefers to hard-code the options that he knows he's going to use.
<ppetrov^>
*avoid having
<ppetrov^>
dunno what the grammer is
<ppetrov^>
so that's why all the prt-get isinst
<farkuhar>
beerman's motivation is to avoid too many dups in the portdb, which is apparently a value also shared by ppetrov^.
<ppetrov^>
farkuhar, nope, just for the stuff that comes with CRUX
<ppetrov^>
i have taken ports from others into my repo instead of adding other repos
<ppetrov^>
so, i actively contribte to dups
<farkuhar>
Now if somebody could just resurrect a read-only copy of the old Flyspray database, I'd actually be able to look at how therealfun planned to implement FS#1576 "flexible footprint check".
<ppetrov^>
i ignore footprint
<ppetrov^>
like not just the new stuff but all
<farkuhar>
Heh, in December 2022 jaeger mentioned how his rewrite of pkgutils would get rid of footprints altogether. I wonder what eventually happened to that work.
<ppetrov^>
i like the footprints, i have just ran into problems breaking automation
<ppetrov^>
how else can we easily search for files installed by packages
<ppetrov^>
"23:28 <beerman> i am not sufficently skilled to work on C/C++ stuff, not on that scale anyhow.
<ppetrov^>
"
<ppetrov^>
do they actually have someone who's C++ savvy?
<zorz>
mesa is done 2 weeks ago and its for amdgpu
<farkuhar>
Heh, I opened FS#1930 (which was eventually recognized as a duplicate of FS#1843) and got a reply from jw himself!
<zorz>
wayland amdgpu
<ppetrov^>
who's jw?
<farkuhar>
jw is the author of prt-get. Plus, we still have braewoods, so C++ knowledge is still out there if we need to call on it.
<zorz>
this fuckin prt-get once you use it ... you cannot use anything else.
<zorz>
:)
<ppetrov^>
farkuhar, good to hear
<zorz>
ppetrov^: monday will be ready,, iwas playing with runit.
<ppetrov^>
zorz, prt-ge is almost perfect, lacks the install-new stuff
<ppetrov^>
farkuhar, has been working on that
<zorz>
ignore new its ok
<ppetrov^>
also, would kind alike ports -u to be doable as prt-get sync too
<ppetrov^>
i meant adding new dependencies upon prt-get sysup
<ppetrov^>
fuck, i can't write in English this evening... too tired
<farkuhar>
The pkgutils code base is not that hard to navigate, either. I made one major pkgutils patch to address FS#1074, but most of my C++ work has been on the fork of prt-get.
<farkuhar>
The FS#1074 patch disappeared when the Flyspray instance went down, but I still have a local copy, so I might open a Gitea issue to increase the visibility. "With thousands of eyes, all bugs are shallow" or something like that.
<ppetrov^>
"With thousands of eyes, all bugs are shallow" <- deep
<zorz>
if you find 500 people to watch it heh
<zorz>
ok sifuh makes 250
<lavaball>
anyone watching agatha?
<ppetrov^>
no
<zorz>
no
<lavaball>
so far can't recommend. if i notice the acting is bad then it's unbearable for real people.
<ppetrov^>
real people?
<lavaball>
that's too long to get into. just know i'm not one of them, and you probably are.
<farkuhar>
It's interesting that lavaball is reluctant to "crawl the logs" for material, preferring to collect material that was posted in his presence. Meanwhile I hardly ever join #kisslinux, but don't have a problem reporting back here some of the interesting stories I read in their logs.
<lavaball>
you are a asian. i'm german.
<ppetrov^>
whi the fuck cares
<lavaball>
means you are hard-working, i'm efficient.
<lavaball>
oh, "an asian", my bad.
<lavaball>
unfortuantely, as you can see, i also have very low conscientiousness. though i've mentioned that before.
<farkuhar>
How is it efficient to hang out in a channel waiting for material to arrive? You cover more ground by reading the archived logs.
<ppetrov^>
farkuhar is from the US
<ppetrov^>
not that it matters
<lavaball>
i'm not waiting for it to arrive. as you figured out earlier i make it happen.
<farkuhar>
So the creepy muppet admits that he's here to provoke a reaction.
<lavaball>
us? isn't farkuhar the asian guy sifuh visited?
<ppetrov^>
you totally got things wrong
<lavaball>
are you all mentally handicapped? i "admitted" that hours ago when you first brought it up.
<ppetrov^>
not very efficient, man
<lavaball>
low conscientiousness.
<ppetrov^>
actually you remind me of a joke from the Soviet era
<lavaball>
i mean i literally just said it.
<ppetrov^>
"Is it true that Comrade Ivanov from Moscow bought a car?"
<ppetrov^>
"in principle, yes. But it was Petrov from leningrad"
<ppetrov^>
"and wasnät a car but a bike"
<ppetrov^>
"and he didn't buy it, but had it stolen from him"
<ppetrov^>
so that's your level of comprehension abou farkuhar - SiFuh visit
<lavaball>
well, if he's the guy in the picture he's asian.
<ppetrov^>
so what?
<lavaball>
that was the foundation of the joke. asians are hard working, germans are efficient.
<lavaball>
how about you get some more of your vaccine?
<ppetrov^>
who the fuck is talking about that?
<lavaball>
anyway, if he's the guy in the picture i didn't get anything wrong.
<lavaball>
so your whole premise for the soviet joke connection collapses.
<lavaball>
with that i wanted to point out that you are dumb.
<lavaball>
the vaccine thing. just to clarify.
<ppetrov^>
i really donät care what you think
<lavaball>
really? why are you engaging with me then?
<lavaball>
i guess you were projecting when you said that i remind you of the soviet joke.
<lavaball>
that was clearly joke, because i'm always looking for minors.
<lavaball>
i'm not literally thinking i'm the guy in the picture.
<ppetrov^>
ah, creep mode on
<lavaball>
like ... what the fuck is this here?
<lavaball>
context, vaxman, context.
<ppetrov^>
talking to imaginary freinds?
<lavaball>
not an american. i don't even understand the concept that well. like when the girl had one in star trek, i was like, why? or fred, or the "if" movie. seems to be a common thing over there. we germans don't do that.
<lavaball>
or in inside out.
<lavaball>
seriously, it's like you guys are primed to be retarded.
<lavaball>
also stuff from my new video i need the minors for.
<ppetrov^>
"you guys" <- who? I'm from Eastern Europe
<lavaball>
but that doesn't mean anything with you, since our asian buddy is american.
<lavaball>
though i remember you saying you grew up in communism. paraphrasing.
<lavaball>
the american stereo type doesn't add up anyway, since sifuh and remi both don't do context.
<lavaball>
though just for statistical reasons, where you from exactly?
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<farkuhar>
Germany seems to foster some tortured definitions of efficiency these days. At least one German seems to think it's efficient to write sentences that depend on background knowledge for correct interpretation, and then follow up to clarify his intended meaning when his readers diverge in how they parsed his sentence.
<farkuhar>
One would think that in a channel populated by Linux/BSD users, there would be more appreciation for the perils of constructing ambiguous sentences. Would lavaball express the same indignation if bash or ksh performed his malformed command to the letter, rather than peering into his mind to discern what he intended?