<zorz>
SiFuh: they should hang zelensky at the central platz of kiev
<SiFuh>
zorz: I pick up and carry anywhere between 25 KG to 100 KG almost weekly. I don't care about muscle pain. My concern is how I pick it up and make sure I don't damage my spine or my knees "Be kind to your knees. You will miss them when they are gone" -- Baz Lurhmann.
<SiFuh>
Muscle pain is good, because it tells you when you did too much and the meat or diet you eat will make them stronger.
<SiFuh>
If I don't get the muscle pain, I will do pushups and reverse pushups to get it. Even now with a broken rib bone, I am still lifting 70 KG. Can't do pushups though. :-(
<SiFuh>
All you did was carry some sticks. Dude, try carrying tree trunks.
<zorz>
SiFuh: you do well... but i like being lazy :)
<SiFuh>
zorz: I like being lazy. But I think of the future. I don't want to be some frail weak man that can't even get up out of a chair to go to the toilet.
<zorz>
okay...
<SiFuh>
I actually hate the retirement age being set so that you can't work anymore.
<SiFuh>
What's wrong with a 90 year old man still working as a Bobcat driver because he is still fit?
<zorz>
last year i did the same thing and then i sat on the chair with crux... this year i learned my lesson.... straaight to the bed.
<SiFuh>
You are 65 years old. Get out of the work force, go home and die. Come on!
<SiFuh>
75 you need to do a test every year and get a medical certificate or you are taking the bus into town.
<SiFuh>
Both my parents need to do a test to drive every year now and provide a medical certificate. They are almost 80 and my parents can still move around like they were in their 50s
<SiFuh>
My wife's parents are younger and can barely move. So people are being discriminated against because of their age. You can't put everyone in the same group. Everyone is uniquely different.
<zorz>
SiFuh: bb
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<farkuhar>
SiFuh: inkscape 1.4 is crashing during startup on Win10 and Win11 too, according to Gitlab issues #5286 and #5292. Right now my CRUX-MUSL machine is rebuilding the previous inkscape against the latest versions of mesa,vulkan,glib, to test whether the regression is caused by the graphics stack rather than the inkscape update.
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<SiFuh>
I remember reading a discussion about it and they were only going to bother with powerpc64 instead or somthing
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: I mean macppc.
<remiliascarlet>
They still had packages for macppc in 7.5.
<SiFuh>
I don't see any
<remiliascarlet>
I could still use pkg_add under 7.5 though.
<remiliascarlet>
Looks like the NetBSD guys were right after all, OpenBSD isn't going to support 32-bit architectures for long now.
<SiFuh>
'Because that is common/shared architecture support code, arch/powerpc is everything not specific to Apple machines, whereas the Apple specific code lives in arch/macppc'
<remiliascarlet>
Yeah, one downside about RISC is that each company can just make their own customizations that render them no longer following standards.
<remiliascarlet>
Same with MIPS, SGI's MIPS and Loongson (which is MIPS-compatible) are both different from MIPS64.
<remiliascarlet>
I guess all I can do with macppc is compile everything from ports like in CRUX.
<remiliascarlet>
Just wondering, would I be able to get OpenBSD 7.6 to work on an SGI workstation by compiling from source? Sounds like a fucking hell to do.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I think that as long as the OS exists then compiling the ports from source shouldn't be hard.
<remiliascarlet>
I don't mean fucking hell as in it being hard, but as in it taking forever to compile on such paleolithic hardware.
<SiFuh>
The 'fucking hell' is kind of out of place in that sentence.
<SiFuh>
Fucking hell, I don't mean it as being hard, ...
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Before we went jungle she had bought curry and there was a lot. The next day she asks me "Should I throw it out" I said "No, it's curry" She says "It's over 24 hours old and never been in a refrigerator" I said "NO! It's curry!" She said "But..." and I said "Woman! I eat food that is days old all the time and IT IS CURRY!"
<SiFuh>
Curry is basically just spices and plant matter. It has no meat in it at all. And even if it had meat, I'd still cook it up ;-)
<remiliascarlet>
Ever tried dry aging meat?
<SiFuh>
All the time
<remiliascarlet>
Results can be delicious if done right, I tried to do it with beef tongue, but I failed at it.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: You can't be a bush survival expert if you don't know how to age meat and store it and eat it. I use to make sausages that way as well.
<SiFuh>
Not sure if beef tongue would work. It's kind of a different style of meat.
<SiFuh>
Other than that I don't see why it couldn't work
<SiFuh>
Did you age it in the refrigerator?
<SiFuh>
I would take meat, mince it. Mix with spices. Wrap in skin and tie it tight then hang it in the refrigerator to make awesome sausages.
<remiliascarlet>
The reason why I did it with beef tongue is because the motherfuckers at UberEats delivered 1 beef tongue of 5000 yen instead of 5 packs of ribeye steaks (they come in 2 pieces per pack) worth 35000 yen, and they refunded me after I sent them a complaint, so the beef tongue was technically free of charge.
<SiFuh>
I do sun, fire, wind, oven and smoke dried meat but for aging, unwrap it and stick it in the refrigerator. Rotate it daily or hang it by string.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: The refrigerator sucks the moisture out of the meat when it is uncovered
<zorz>
SiFuh: you are a bad neighbour to your neighbours :P
<SiFuh>
Yes
<zorz>
hehehhe
<SiFuh>
And even worse to the family
<SiFuh>
Because I only allow certain MAC addresses to use Wi-FI
<zorz>
SiFuh: you always make lough
<zorz>
Hitler!
<zorz>
Wifi-Hitler
<SiFuh>
It's going to get worse
<SiFuh>
By next year, I will have the Wi-Fi shut down as I will wire every room in the house that needs a computer
<SiFuh>
But the neighbours are good. I have all their Wi-Fi passwords already
<SiFuh>
I use a Mikrotik Router with RouterOS
<zorz>
hashcat is fast with number passwords... but the rest... problem
<SiFuh>
And I removed the stupid fibre-optics box and replaced it with an SPF adapter. I had to hack the fibre-box to get the details to configure the SPF dongle to clone it.
<zorz>
SiFuh: this is like the nasa mission to jupiter
<SiFuh>
zorz: My old password for the ISP's stupid router was this. 7h1515457up1dr0u73r
<zorz>
with 4 gpu ring everything is possible with hashcat
<SiFuh>
7h15 15 4 57up1d r0u73r <-- This is a stupid router
<zorz>
i need to make a gpu ring
<zorz>
hahahahaha
<SiFuh>
My passwords are 32 characters long usually and auto generated with capitals, lowercase, numbers and symbols. But if I want to remember a password l337 talk is the best.
<remiliascarlet>
My passwords are 64 characters long, but most Japanese websites don't allow for passwords longer than 12 characters, and on top of that don't allow symbols.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Yeah that shits me
<remiliascarlet>
So I have secure passwords almost exclusively on overseas websites.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I can top that though. My password for the CRUX mailing list is 4096 :-)
<SiFuh>
I did it as a joke and never bothered to change it.
<SiFuh>
Hey zorz, go try crack my 4096 character password for the CRUX mailing list
<remiliascarlet>
Maybe the reason is that most East Asians are fucking smartphone addicts, and writing long, secure passwords is too much of a pain in the ass for them, so then they just dumb things down for everyone...
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I find here they mostly use their ID card number.
<remiliascarlet>
Probably more secure than using their birth date at least.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: In Australia most PINs for credit/debit cards are 4 digits. In Asia I noticed they are 6 digits
<remiliascarlet>
Oh, when is your birthday? How old are you? YES!! GOT INTO YOUR BANK ACCOUNT, BITCH!
<remiliascarlet>
PINs are 4 digits in Japan usually.
<zorz>
my passwords are simple alias genpass='< /dev/urandom tr -dc '[:graph:]' | head -c ${1:-12}; echo'
<zorz>
12
<SiFuh>
I use a birthdate for mine. But it ain't my birthdate
<zorz>
i use this and password-store.
<SiFuh>
zorz: password gorilla is what I use these days
<SiFuh>
That way if the CIA kidnap me and try to force me to tell them my password, I don't kno itw.
<SiFuh>
And I don't know the password to access password gorilla because I use a hardware key
<remiliascarlet>
I use sp (Simple Password), which kinda started out as a GNU Password Store clone, but in C, but has grown to have more useful features these days.
<remiliascarlet>
And the developer made it on OpenBSD too.
<farkuhar>
zorz: never mind the advice about wm, it looks like inkscape 1.4 on CRUX-MUSL is crashing at startup for all window managers. I'll try the update on my CRUX glibc machine to see if it's musl-specific.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I chose password gorilla because it works on Mac, Winshit, Android, iPawn, Linux and OpenBSD
<zorz>
farkuhar: in void they have 4-5,6,7 patches
<farkuhar>
zorz: in void all those patches are for inkscape 1.3.2, but I'm trying to work on the just-released inkscape 1.4
<zorz>
oooooooooooo farkuhar bleeding edge... you bleed :)
<SiFuh>
zorz: CRUX was suppose to be bleeding edge
<zorz>
SiFuh: it is, beerman bleeds its users!
<zorz>
ahhahahaa
<SiFuh>
No
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: The sp one is a CLI utility that works on any Unix-like OS and Haiku: https://gitler.moe/suwako/sp And she also made a GUI version that's currently Linux and BSD only, but works on porting it to everywhere else too: https://gitler.moe/suwako/simpas
<farkuhar>
The only reason I suspected a WM-related bug is that `finddeps inkscape` reported an eager linking with libswmhack.so (owned by spectrwm). But that's probably a false alarm; even in fluxbox I got a startup crash of inkscape 1.4
<remiliascarlet>
Also, I helped with the English translations for both.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Does it delete the password from the copy memory after a certain amount of time when you copy and paste? Do you need to see the password in clear text to copy and paste it?
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: Yes, currently within a 45 second timeframe, but functionality to customize that has already been developed, and is in the master branch.
<SiFuh>
Password gorilla allows you to right click on lets say lycos.com and select "copy user name" and "copy password" and you never need to see it.
<remiliascarlet>
Oh, you mean username and password?
<remiliascarlet>
In that case, no. Just the password.
<zorz>
farkuhar: no flatpak? :PPPPpppppppppppppppppp
<zorz>
hehehe
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Mine is set to 30 and can be changed to any time you want
<SiFuh>
30 seconds
<remiliascarlet>
zorz: Soypak.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: My wife uses a spreadsheet but she only tuypes the beginning and the end of the password and the rest is astericks.
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: Gaypak
<SiFuh>
zorz: Loosen your jeans
<remiliascarlet>
Sixpak.
<zorz>
Sixpak Icehouse
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I have an 16 pack here.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: Nice, I don't.
<SiFuh>
It's for when I drive
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I usually keep a few packs of beer in the refrigerator in case I need to drive anywhere.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: My wife was so mad at me when I held up a beer and cheered the transport department officers at a road block. They laughed but she didn't
<SiFuh>
After that day, she has forbidden me to have beer on display through road blocks. Hahaha
<SiFuh>
So the last one was on the way to camping and she hid it in her door pocket
<zorz>
hashcat in artix linux, runs on the gpu of laptop
<zorz>
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
<zorz>
for real?
<SiFuh>
Hehe
<zorz>
fuckin hell
<zorz>
artix linux still have this old, setting in grub naming net connections to wlan quite nice instead of wlp4s0 wlp6s0f3u2
<SiFuh>
CRUX has it too
<zorz>
where?
<zorz>
not my crux
<SiFuh>
net.ifnames=0 <--
<SiFuh>
Add that to your kernel command line
<SiFuh>
If you use multipy Wi-Fi cards then you can use udev to do it without swapping them around during boot.
<SiFuh>
But you'd know that already if you RTFM ;-)
<zorz>
i know that
<zorz>
sysctl.conf ?
<zorz>
one way is this and one is on the grub
<SiFuh>
zorz: And if you want to do Wi-Fi hacking you should invest in a real Wi-Fi dongle like the Alfa AWUS1900. aircrack-ng even make the drivers for it.
<SiFuh>
But you'd know that if you RTFM.
<zorz>
i have the best manual man!!!
<zorz>
i Read Sifuh
<SiFuh>
Yeah, me
<zorz>
ahhahahaa
<zorz>
hahahaha
<zorz>
yes!
<zorz>
what you do AI? no i do SiFuh :P
<zorz>
lets built an Ai and name it Sifu
<zorz>
10 dollar a month
<zorz>
:P
<SiFuh>
I lived for years without my own internet connection so I use to dialhup hacking with Sub-7 then when Wi-Fi came out, I use to use the dongles in a satellite dish (replace the magnetron) so that I can get free Wi-Fi. Then when WPA came out I had to upgrade my hardware.
<zorz>
fuckin hell
<SiFuh>
In fact it was mentioned in both #crux and #suse on irc.openprojects.org that I was the only one that could get internet anywhere in the world.
<SiFuh>
I even had to use GRPS internet which is freaking shit slow.
<SiFuh>
GPRS
<SiFuh>
As I said above. I have all the Wi-Fi passwords for all the neighbours already.
<zorz>
i believe you
<zorz>
nooo next moth i cut the phone line in village and connect the city one
<zorz>
but this Alfa AWUS1900 looks interesting
<SiFuh>
zorz: We were at a restaraunt in KL and I went to connect to the Wi-Fi and the password didn't work. My friend laughed and said he changed it. I said "Why would you go and do that?" He said "I needed the bandwidth" I replied "But it isn't your router." He said "Well you taught us" everyone burst out laughing.
<SiFuh>
I have noticed a few new Wi-Fi devices around that I haven't cracked. Maybe I should set up a machine to do that.
<SiFuh>
Beini Linux hasn't updated in years. So I'd probably use ParrotOS
<zorz>
parrot has the same tools aircarck hcxdumptool,,, they use this airgedon helpscript or wifite
<SiFuh>
zorz: Wow, you are such a pro now
<SiFuh>
zorz: Fucking women. I went outside to smoke a cigar and when I came back in the wife asks me did I smoke in my room.
<SiFuh>
HUH? I said "No, I smoked on the roof"
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<SiFuh>
zorz: I asked them to find me disk brakes for the rear of my truck. I wonder how many millions they will charge me
<SiFuh>
zorz: Her father wants to pour oil over the tree stumps. She told him not to do it because I will be angry. She asks why I put plastic over the tree stumps. I said because I put oil over them and I don't want it in the soil. HAHAHAHAH Not bad at all.
<SiFuh>
I told her you dry the stump. Paint the oil on and seal it. Don't pour on it because the soil will be polluted.
<farkuhar>
I opened an SSH connection to my CRUX-MUSL machine, but without X11 forwarding. Reattaching the tmux session revealed a successful build of the previous inkscape (1.3.2). Now the tmux session had $DISPLAY set, but outside the tmux session $DISPLAY was unset. I didn't dare try to launch inkscape from inside tmux, because without X11 forwarding I wouldn't see the exact error message of a startup crash (if any).
<farkuhar>
So I might have to wait until sitting in front of the CRUX-MUSL machine to learn whether the startup crash is a regression in inkscape 1.4, or something caused by CRUX's current graphics stack.
<farkuhar>
Meanwhile the CRUX-glibc laptop is still chugging away at spirv/vulkan updates, after which I'll try the inkscape 1.4 build there.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Whilst zorz is frying his CPU/GPU on Wi-Fi passwords. Hahaha
<farkuhar>
"... dry the stump. Paint the oil on and seal it." <- until reading further and hitting the word "soil", I was painting a mental picture of the stump of an arm on someone whose hand got chopped off. That's what I get for reading too quickly and not seeing the context "tree stumps".
<SiFuh>
HAHAHA
<SiFuh>
Shit man, triage doesn't work that way
<SiFuh>
I'd tourniquet the arm. Throw the limb in an ice box.
<SiFuh>
I'd probably tourniquet the cut off limb before throwing in an ice box but this isn't conventional.
<SiFuh>
Anyway farkuhar The goal is the kill the tree stump and not pollute the soil. So paint it on thin and cover it tight with plastic. A month from now the tree should be dead
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<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I am actually against cutting trees down. But sometimes it is neccessary. For this case, the tree roots are growing through the electrical wiring, the main water pipes that supply water to the entire area and blocking the drain. So both have to go as sad as it is.
<farkuhar>
One option is to reconnect to the CRUX-MUSL machine with X11 forwarding enabled (ssh -Y), but the network lag would be too annoying, especially if the startup failure is limited to the most recent inkscape. A successful startup of inkscape 1.3.2 would saturate the network with way too many packets of X11 graphics.
<SiFuh>
I have never used CRUX-MUSL on a tree stump before.
<SiFuh>
Anyway, around early December I will start to dig up the tree stump. Hopefully not cause a water spout or get electricuted.
<farkuhar>
The good news is that the CRUX-glibc laptop is fast enough that only a few more ports need to be compiled before I can finally try the inkscape 1.4 build. Unfortunately those remaining dependencies include some big projects: boost, graphicsmagick, and librsvg.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: You actually know how to use inkscape?
<SiFuh>
I use it but it is a pain in the ass sometimes.
<SiFuh>
I do a lot of my engineering designs through it. However, most Malays can't so I ended up using CAD instead
<SiFuh>
Usually I send the Inkscape stuff the US but in Malaysia only the CAD stuff.
<SiFuh>
I did the logos for my Moonshine in Inkscape and the manufacturers rejected it.
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: I know some basic Inkscape usage, but I don't work with it often enough to develop real proficiency.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: So like me ;-)
<farkuhar>
So what do you use for CAD on Linux or BSD?
<SiFuh>
OpenSCAD
<SiFuh>
No drawing, just typing numbers in
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<farkuhar>
OpenSCAD is in the deepthought repo, not in yenjie. Does deepthought keep it updated enough that you don't feel the need to maintain your own port?
<SiFuh>
No idea. I use OpenBSD for my engineering stuff.
<zorz>
SiFuh: is darkthought
<SiFuh>
Fuck you zorz
<zorz>
zorz: is sexythought
<SiFuh>
And I am sure it is deepthought because it was poached from The Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy.
<SiFuh>
zorz: And for the record. He is a faithful CRUXer
<zorz>
the only unfaithfull Crux is SiFuh !
<zorz>
SiFuh: is exCRUXer
<SiFuh>
Am I?
<zorz>
nooooooooooooo
<zorz>
you are not
<SiFuh>
Says the distro whore
<zorz>
man.... distro are like women... you need variety :)
<zorz>
are you monogamy?:P
<zorz>
hahaha
<SiFuh>
Monogomous not monogomy
<SiFuh>
And yes, I am
<farkuhar>
Yikes, the deepthought port pulls seven patches from the openscad github repo, and then provides another patch with the port itself. It looks like OpenSCAD has a slower cadence of releases, if it allows so many non-trivial commits before bumping the version.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I don't think you need it unless you are designing 3 dimensional parts
<SiFuh>
The last one I did was some stainless steel disks with lasor cut holes
<farkuhar>
3-D parts like the sewer pipe geometry needed to evade the root system underneath your tree stumps?
<SiFuh>
Uses seat belts, scubar gear, truck canopy canvas, and some custom made parts and I sewed it all together and created this.
<SiFuh>
You could use it as a safety harness if you seriously needed too.
<SiFuh>
I made 5 and 3 were sold on the spot.
<SiFuh>
I made them during the fake pandemic in case I need to go Jungle and needed a bag that would out live me.
<SiFuh>
The version for my wife and I have extra modifications inside so that you can use rock climbing gear with the bag.
<SiFuh>
The US Marine version would often tear at the handle or the shoulder straps above your shoulders. So I made sure it could never happen again. Also I made the straps and the handle way more comfortable.
<SiFuh>
OpenSCAD was my friend ;-)
<SiFuh>
All metal parts are stainless steel
<SiFuh>
And my wife and I have carabiners that lock to the bag so if we did have to rapel down a clif the bag can turn into a harness in seconds.
<SiFuh>
Sorry zorz, your a wuss. HAHA
<SiFuh>
cliff*
<SiFuh>
zorz: This is why I prefer military clothing. It out-lives the soldiers.
<SiFuh>
I have a 1984 Wollen US Navy Peacoat. I wore it in Kyrgyzstan. I was the warmest guy there.
<SiFuh>
Woolen*
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: How cold does it get in Tokyo during January? I am not thinking of buying any cold weather gear.
<SiFuh>
But if it is anything like Shanghai in Winter then I seriously need to consider it.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Websites say around 10 Celsius which I can handle
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<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Anything below -4 I will have a problem with since I am a hot weather guy.
<SiFuh>
My acceptable range is 50 to -4
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Here is a true story. In high school I wanted to join the Home Economics class because all the sexy girls were there. In 8th grade everyone had to do it. I loved it. Sewing, cooking, knitting and so on. My mother refused to let me join in 9th grade. She said I need to Wood Work, Metal Shop and Graphics. I was not happy. But what I had learned in Home Economics has become one of the most
<SiFuh>
useful things to me. I can't deny Metal and Wood and Graphics wasn't but I really wish I could have chosen Home Economics.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: In a way, I can't be upset because all the skills I learned I still use today. Even with advancment in technology. By 11th grade, she pushed me to do Computers. So here I am, using computers, to engineer metal products, to sew a bag that is superior to what the US military has.
<SiFuh>
In Kyrgyzstan, I even darned my own socks. The Khazakh room mate said it was gay. But then several days later he asked me how to.
<SiFuh>
I ended up teaching him how to knitt.
<SiFuh>
Knit*
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<farkuhar>
okay, all the dependencies are in place for building inkscape 1.4 on the CRUX-glibc laptop. I'll give it a try and report back in a few hours (at least 4).
<farkuhar>
I finally sat down in front of the CRUX-musl machine and tried launching a freshly-compiled inkscape 1.3.2. Same crash at startup that I saw with inkscape 1.4, so maybe it is the fault of the latest graphics stack. Meanwhile I have yet to finish compiling inkscape 1.4 on my CRUX-glibc laptop.