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<lanefu> do any of you all use schedutil cpu freq governor?
<stipa> i have no idea
<stipa> i do now
<steev> i do
<steev> only on big.little machines though, really
<steev> and on debian, have to edit the /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils script because it hardcodes ondemand. no idea why it's not something in /etc/default but meh.
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<hipboi> @lanefu I will change an IRC client
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<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> running discord in firefox on pinebook pro is very usable
<lanefu> stipa: what zram settings did you end up using ofr your desktop setup
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> anybody excited for the Allwinner H700? 😅
<Armbian-Discord> <p​oddingue> But to me it looks very similar to the H616 ¯_(ツ)_/¯
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> It's a crap on top of more crap thing.
<Armbian-Discord> <p​oddingue> Really ?
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> Jokes aside. H700 add more video input and output interface.
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> You can do HDMI input on this chip
<Armbian-Discord> <p​oddingue> Video inputs is nice for my use cases
<Armbian-Discord> <p​oddingue> HDMI input is a must for me
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> Well, that's where the bad news starts. It uses the same BSP that H616 uses and BSP is based on H6 so they all run 4.9 kernel. And their BSP is aah. Crap.
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> This is where the crap joke come from 🤣
<Armbian-Discord> <p​oddingue> Yes. I often wait 18 to 24 months until SBCs with recent SoCs start to work with mainline
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> The only good thing is that whatever get mainline it also work on H700
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> H616 is basically a strip down version of H6 with GPU upgraded to G31
<lanefu> havent seen h700
<lanefu> i care about CPU cores and ram
<lanefu> and nothin else usually
<Armbian-Discord> <p​oddingue> I bought a TVBox with h616 just to see its performances before any SBC was available... Still unusable to this day, except with Android ☺
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> Which one you bought?
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> I too bought a H616 TV box and it boot linux just fine.
<Armbian-Discord> <p​oddingue> I can't remember which one it was, I should try and find it to see if it could boot Linux now...
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> Let me know. I can share my buildroot for H616
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> How much RAM it has?
<Armbian-Discord> <p​oddingue> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://forum.armbian.com/topic/15852-allwinner-h616-boards/&ved=2ahUKEwjhy4Tn48TyAhXHzIUKHRIQBOIQjjh6BAgDEAE&usg=AOvVaw1qViszz1lAy9BbbfqxhH_e The link in the message doesn't work for me...
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> Which link?
<Armbian-Discord> <p​oddingue> The link that is supposed to bring us to the message in the TVBox armbian subforum where I talk about the model
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> Maybe somebody move it to somewhere
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> @poddingue did you buy a Tanix TX6S?
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> or maybe T95
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> how I do this docker magic thing for Armbian build?
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> is there a difference between docker-ce and docker
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> kp@kp-x505za:~$ echo "deb [arch=amd64] https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu focal stable" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/docker.list bash: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/docker.list: Permission denied kp@kp-x505za:~$ sudo echo "deb [arch=amd64] https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu focal stable" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/docker.list bash: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/docker.list: Permission denied kp@kp-x505za:~$
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> do i have to be root before running thses commands?
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<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> nvm found right info on docker website
<[TheBug]> Yeah I haven't seen any Allwinner offerings in a while now that seems worth it -- H6, H616, or H700 all some type of cripled chips in one way or another
<[TheBug]> not sure why they couldn't just spend the time to do full pcie implementation and other parts that would have actually made the chips really useful
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<kprasadvnsi> <[TheBug]> "not sure why they couldn't..." <- they have tried pcie with H6 but failed to implement properly. I believe they are now strictly sticking to TV box market where PCIe don't really matter much.
<[TheBug]> yeah thats my point
<[TheBug]> nots it just all hot garbage they have no real contenders f or anything but a media box anymore it sems
<[TheBug]> seems*
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Right, the bug was pretty well defined on H6, should have been relatively easy to rectify
<[TheBug]> I don't quite get why they just half assed all the more recent chips like that
<[TheBug]> its likely they decided F the SBC markety we only want to make media devices for home and automotive and thats it
<[TheBug]> because thats about the maximal use case for those chips imo
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Honestly I think Amlogic wrecked most of their competition. Rockchip suffered greatly, but seems to have pulled through. Allwinner was never that great outside of the community that made it their mission to make them work
<[TheBug]> funny thing is I have Amlogic devices and I am still partial to Rockchip over them
<[TheBug]> and don't get me wrong
<[TheBug]> I loved H3
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I liked the H3
<[TheBug]> have too many of them really
<[TheBug]> lol
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> You
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> You had an unhealthy relationship with the H3
<[TheBug]> hehehe
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> :-)
<[TheBug]> h3droid.com :)
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I do prefer rockchip
<[TheBug]> still the best Android for H3
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I don't need special blobs to run them
<[TheBug]> yeah
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I can actually get a response from the Rockchip guys by badgering them on their public GitHub site
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Amlogic is just a black box. If it doesn't come from BayLibre or Chewitt or a similar channel you don't get anythibg
<Tables> So none of the options are actually good
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> haha, get me anything from UNISOC these guys have practically no digital footprint.😅
<chewitt> the next generations of chips from RK and MediaTek are the SoCs to watch IMHO
<chewitt> substantial upstreaming going on
<chewitt> Amlogic have nice chips but their development focus(es) are Android and RDK
<chewitt> both of which allow them to hide their shitty vendor kernel behind an abstraction layer
<[TheBug]> Yeah my understanding also was the MediaTek is gonna start releasing uboot and such for more of their chips
<[TheBug]> I know for example the group who made Terracube 2e state they will release a uboot loader for their phone eventually
<[TheBug]> when that happens MediaTek may actually be a nice option for low power full feature boards
<[TheBug]> Tables: well to be clear most of the vendors are desiging the chips for a sepcific use case and then you have hobbiests wanting to make them into SBCs with Linux when their original purpose was Android media or some type of inductrial implementation
<[TheBug]> without groups of devs like linux-sunxi, Armbian, etc you don't really have usable ARM chips for Linux
<[TheBug]> industrial*
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> try MT8183
<Tables> It seems to me there are alot of overlapping goals, expecially related to tooling, build systems, fidelity, and multi unit deployments/orchestration
<Tables> Do any SBCs have MT8183?
<Tables> I think some smart clocks do but those generally lack ethernet
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> I know HP chromebook 11a is MT8183 based.
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> Cost around $300
<Tables> no ethernet
<[TheBug]> USB 3.0 ethernet adapters are cheap and generally well supported
<[TheBug]> so don't let that be what holds you back
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> Its a chromebook. It made to be landfill ready in few years. Who need Ethernet when you can use WiFi.
<[TheBug]> ROFL of course that chip only has USB 2.0
<[TheBug]> External I/O Ports
<[TheBug]> 1 USB 2.0 Type-C® (USB Power Delivery, DisplayPort™ 1.1); 1 USB 2.0 Type-A; 1 headphone/microphone combo[8,9]
<[TheBug]> thats the more confusing part of these products to me
<[TheBug]> why would you not give the customer a USB 3.0 port?
<[TheBug]> thats like kneecapping the thing
<[TheBug]> it has 8x2.0ghz cores but only USB 2.0...
<[TheBug]> that silly
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> It's a beef up mobile SoC from Mediatek. They are not used to provide usb ports in their SoC.
<[TheBug]> especially when you read the documentation for the SoC and it says
<[TheBug]> Connectivity options include Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and GNSS, while peripherals can be connected with either USB 3.0 (device mode) or USB 2.0 OTG, and SDIO.
<[TheBug]> so basically HP wasted the USB 3.0 on either tha camera or something else stupid
<[TheBug]> instead of giving it to the customer to use
<[TheBug]> thats just silly engineering
<[TheBug]> not the doc even says the camera module should be built in
<[TheBug]> lol
<Tables> USB also provides another layer of power usage, power saving bugs, and size issues.
<[TheBug]> so yeah no idea wher they wasted the only USB 3.0 on it at
<stipa> lanefu: it can't work fine over 50% of zram
<Tables> also CPU usage
<stipa> lanefu: i didn't take into account that gpu is using the same ram too
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> Nop, HP want to make chromebook but Intel celeron was not cheap enough for them.
<[TheBug]> kprasadvnsi: to be honest if they actually exposed an USB 3.0 port that could be a really nice device -- easilly beating out the rk3399
<Tables> RK3399 is faster
<[TheBug]> you think?
<Tables> Yes
<[TheBug]> 4x2Ghz vs 2x2Ghz + 4x1.5Gz
<[TheBug]> not sure
<Tables> I am
<[TheBug]> ohh?
<[TheBug]> you have one to compare
<Tables> the duet has its own distro
<Tables> i had a duet with it. it is slower than the aarch64 windows laptops running linux
<Tables> by far
<Tables> like half the speed of an 845/850 snapdragon
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<[TheBug]> er 8x2Ghz cores (4A73, 4A53) vs 2x2.0Ghz cores (A73) and 4x1.5Ghz cores (A53)
<Tables> I'm just saying, its slow
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> It's Mediatek. In a billion years I am not gonna touch this SoC. Even if you get a right hardware with USB 3 it still be impossible to get around their BSP.
<[TheBug]> would seem in just CPU it should be more powerful?
<[TheBug]> kprasadvnsi: yeah at least for now, hope is they start releasing uboot stuff for the chips and make it easier to create mainline in long term
<[TheBug]> but in current state with BSP and 4.x kernels
<[TheBug]> yeah I wouldn't be too excited either
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<stipa> lanefu: i've put 50% on all my machines
<[TheBug]> stipa: which board you talking about, H616?
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<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> Mediatek is a lost game. The speed which they EOL their SoC, by the time first patch landed in mainline, the SoC is already hard to find.
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<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> Example:MT6737
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> Used in Orange Pi 4G-IOT
<[TheBug]> Well we already outlined the reason for that
<[TheBug]> up until now MediaTek has had no interest at all in SBC market
<[TheBug]> only in specialized electronics for the most part
<[TheBug]> like TV box and limited other spcific use case like chrombook or shitty phone
<[TheBug]> so most of the stuff they had available was all oriented towards those markets and they didn't participate much in open source linux side
<[TheBug]> hopefully in coming time that changes
<[TheBug]> if not they will stay unpopular as you suggest
<[TheBug]> like mostly you find all the low end MediaTek in shitty knock off cell phones etc
<[TheBug]> currently
<e3ef13f4ff44> mips routers
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<stipa> [TheBug]: opi lite 2
<stipa> H6 and gig of ram
<[TheBug]> ahh yes the H6
<[TheBug]> run hot, broken pcie
<stipa> 500% of zram, anything over that collapses
<stipa> 50 % *
<[TheBug]> yeah CPU can't do it
<stipa> cpu is fine
<stipa> seems like gou is eating some
<stipa> gpu
<[TheBug]> zram is all computational compression of ram
<[TheBug]> yeah that makes sense then
<Tables> So is a Dell Wyse 3040 better than 99% of SBCs?
<[TheBug]> its shared memory with the GPU
<[TheBug]> you can't compress ram that is being shared to GPU
<[TheBug]> it doesn't know how to handle that
<stipa> maybe, and when it goes over that 50% of zram it starts to stutter and stuff until total halt
<[TheBug]> Tables: since they won't say actually what chip they use in their specs I will assume based on the 1.44Ghz clocks on the 4 cores its an Atom z8350 and you can get that in severla SBCs such as Rock Pi X, AtomicPi
<[TheBug]> and there are a few others
<stipa> even if i put 100% of zram it'll start at 50% to act strange
<[TheBug]> but I will say it seems those are about 90$ on used market so that actually may make them cheaper for a professional solution with case than say an RockPI x
<Tables> used 3040 = 30-40
<[TheBug]> stipa: yeah you would have to read data sheet and see what parts of memory are shared to the GPU, one way around may be to lower the amount being shared for example, but otherwise any memory in the shared range if it gets compressed and the GPU needs it, it will cause a crash
<[TheBug]> Tables: that same Intel SoC has now been used in tabletgs and such for over 6-8 years I think
<[TheBug]> you can get HP Pro Tablet 10 I think it is on ebay for about 50$ with the same SoC
<Tables> but not ethernet
<Tables> also the wyse bios is super nice
<[TheBug]> you checked out AtomicPi? It is $35 for that same chip, has a decent bios, passive cooling
<[TheBug]> just not a case
<Tables> yeh the power situation is.... interesting
<Tables> still more expensive all said and done, and much larger and more power hungry
<[TheBug]> can see a pic of mine: https://atomicpi.systemonachip.net/
<[TheBug]> powers the same across all they have a limited TDP
<[TheBug]> on purpose
<[TheBug]> you can actually toggle power states in Bios If i recall
<[TheBug]> by default they will always be set to eco
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Man i should get out the old atomic pi
<[TheBug]> hehe I have mine vesa mounted to a 20" LCD next to me
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Doing what
<[TheBug]> it's my "I need a quick windows machine for my niece or someone whom is here" system
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Lol nice
<[TheBug]> that and use it for emulation
<[TheBug]> like n64
<[TheBug]> I have some controllers connected
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> I used mine as desktop for a while but ram was just a little too tight
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Yeah i should try it for n64
<[TheBug]> if it had dual video output I would have actually made it into a similar thing to the wyse terminal
<[TheBug]> thats really its only downfall imo
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> What kind of wyse terminal
<Tables> 3040
<[TheBug]> lanefu: 90% of n64 games will run full speed on it at least, always end up playing like paper mario or smash brothers with my niece though ;p
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Oh not a nostalgia making wyse library terminal
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Does the sound stay in sync?
<[TheBug]> Tables: yeah it does seem the 3040 exposes dual DP ports instead of single HDMI on all others, I didn't actually notice that until you said
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> It can't run dolphin tho right?
<[TheBug]> lanefu: I use Project64 and it works well on most titles
<[TheBug]> well in windows
<[TheBug]> I was using mupen64 in linux
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> DP lets you daisy chain a lot lf times anyway
<[TheBug]> and it actually worked better for most cases
<[TheBug]> but since browsing in windows was easier for my niece I put windows on itr
<[TheBug]> my real fun with those devices was I spent a few weeks trying to get Android 9 to work on my z8350 tablets I have
<[TheBug]> I have way too many of them :z
<[TheBug]> but there is still a bug with the GPU driver
<[TheBug]> where if you lock the tablet it crashes the GPU driver
<[TheBug]> so kinda breaks half the usability
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> That would anger me
<[TheBug]> yes it did
<[TheBug]> why I went into savage mode for over a week trying to make it work
<[TheBug]> then I finally just got fed up with it and didn't have the time to keep going
<[TheBug]> maybe one day I circle back
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<[TheBug]> I debated working on it over my vacation, had 2 of them along but being outside on the beach ended up being a better choice ;p
<[TheBug]> we ended up with pretty good weather for most of the trip
<Tables> I have one somewhere but the UEFI is 32bit so nothing standard would boot 64bit
<[TheBug]> aahaha
<[TheBug]> Tables: yes the #1 fight on those tablets
<[TheBug]> I made an image with 32bit uefi and boots 64bit
<Tables> it would be amazing if someone made a universal 64bit UEFI for them
<[TheBug]> if you do have a tablet and want to test I can share
<[TheBug]> it took me about 8 hours to get that all figured out
<[TheBug]> and it was a shitty hack
<Tables> seems like something that should be automated on openbuildservice
<[TheBug]> I basically had to take an OEM image and then copy the bootloader into mine
<Tables> since debian and the like are already templated out there
<[TheBug]> Tables: if you are interested I have the chineese SDK and all original images made for some of those tablets actually
<[TheBug]> it includes the origina UEFI as well
<Tables> ohrly
<[TheBug]> but I never wanted to roll out the whole SDK and fuck weith it cause its a mess
<[TheBug]> and all in chinese
<Tables> I have the um.... Acer 1002?
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<Tables> supposedly it had the nicest EMMC at the time
<Tables> Kingston
<[TheBug]> if you want to check it out I can look here in a bit for it and provide some link or something
<Tables> yup
<[TheBug]> it took me some days of googling to find
<[TheBug]> in some google drive
<Tables> much like SBCs, i'm sad none of the baytrail stuff has undervolting/OCing, etc
<[TheBug]> root@orangepiplus2e:/mnt2/i10# ls
<[TheBug]> 32bit DriversBackup.zip i10-BW i10-B.Windows8.rar i10-BW.Windows.10.rar i10-Drivers.zip i10-W.Windows.10.rar Windows.10.working.touch.i10.img
<[TheBug]> the one I have was originally for the i10 generic tablet
<[TheBug]> but the drivers are what is most useful as well as that 32bit dir I think
<[TheBug]> that folder is 80GB (60GB disk image there, rest is the archived data)
<[TheBug]> so probably 20GB of stuff there
<[TheBug]> but I have used that between the 4 different tablets I have pretty interchangably
<[TheBug]> there is a few things that may be different on yours
<[TheBug]> but generally they are pretty close to the same in most implementations
<[TheBug]> if you want my Android image though I will share that as well
<[TheBug]> I used BlissOS as ther reference
<[TheBug]> maybe your tablet will work with lock depending on the hardware being used
<[TheBug]> Tables: anyways, probably should take to PM as it's OT here, if you do want those drivers / images I have drop me a PM and as I get a chance to upload them I will give you links
<Armbian-Discord> <p​oddingue> Yes, that's for sure, I can remember now: https://www.cnx-software.com/2020/02/27/allwinner-h616-tv-box-processor-comes-with-mali-g31-gpu-supports-android-10/ I have way too many SBCs and TVBoxes to find it quickly, but I'll dive into my mess tomorrow.
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<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> do you have a board picture?
<Armbian-Discord> <p​oddingue> Not yet, I have to find this box in my mess.
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> @poddingue I can see some people running u-boot on this board https://gist.github.com/heitbaum/d69f32e7622b4409adcf6fe6c04ec849
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<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> K i made a tvboxes discord channel that tables cant use lol
<Tables> wat
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<archetech> tables dell wyse 5070
<archetech> is a good alt to arm sbc
<e3ef13f4ff44> expensive
<archetech> $70 shipped in us
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<Tables> 3040 is 5W max though and 40~
<archetech> half the power
<archetech> seller is not good it looks though
<archetech> looks better seller
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<archetech> I have no use for it but they are nice
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<Tables> Cheap DNS / NTP(GPS) / Offline Wiki machines
<Tables> The wattage is low enough you could also use as a mirror machine for debian / etc
<archetech> ya my ITX w/ i5 3570 kicks its butt just little more inefficient
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