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<stipa> if you want to game it's best to get an win machine, there's no argue about that
<stipa> new amd's with gpu inside are good
<stipa> that should be cheap
<stipa> saw some YT videos and new games run fine on those
<stipa> it's playable
<stipa> apu uses ddr5 so it's pretty fast
<stipa> you could save 200$ by not needing decent GPU
<stipa> the downside is there cant be much cores since gpu takes some space on the apu die
<stipa> but for gaming and stuff, it's fine
<mangix> stipa: Steam Deck runs arch
<stipa> so what's that thing?
<stipa> a pc?
<stipa> a yeah
<stipa> amd
<stipa> yeah, those new amd apus are something
<stipa> worth attention
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> ohh but with a decent gpu, and mostly features on the driver, i could do a lot more
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> but this gpu, from linux.. sucks deeply
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> some games run even better under emulation on rk3399
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> with a decent igpu like the amd ones, that have way better drivers. I could use linux all day
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> bc dxvk in a real thing there
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> this soc is so slow that any of my arm sbcs can beat it on tons of cpu workloads
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> but its x86, so, lots of software and decent gpu
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> we are far away in terms of gpu against low end intel gpus
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> this intel cherry trail 400, a potato have mostly the same power than rk3399, a bit less tho
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> but even apt works like a 90s pcs on that soc
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> processing packages take veryyy long time
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> but yeah, even on linux, the browsing experience is okay
<stipa> kewl
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> on windows it humiliate us. thats sad but browsing on arm linux is far away to be decent
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> not only the vpu
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> also, browser in general doesnt like linux arm at all
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> the first rk3399 devices appear in 2018 IIRC,
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> half 2021, no VPU in the main linuxs desktops
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> the same on rpi4 tho
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> with tons of more money
<stipa> yeh, but browsers overall don't support video accel
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> h264 is broken on 64 bit
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> h265 doesnt work on x11
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> yeah, on linux, but lately they are some progress there
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> even then
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> we dont have vpu on rk3399 desktop, we cant start even thinking on vpu inside it
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> inside the browser I mean
<stipa> yeh, there's some accel for video on H6
<stipa> not in browsers of course
<[TheBug]> NeonFetch
<[TheBug]> NeonFetch: make sure you have also enabled the higher power states in bios if you really want performance out if it
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> you mean for z8350
<[TheBug]> if your in windows you should be able to run hwinfo and see it actually bursting to full speed on all cores if the highest power state is in use
<[TheBug]> yeah
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> first I need it stable haha
<[TheBug]> what isn't stable about it?
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> I tho this soc only do boost on one core
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> I have blue screens
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> I already mention this
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> nicod also
<[TheBug]> doing what?
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> nothing
<[TheBug]> cause I have used it for a lot of emulation and not seen any blue screens
<[TheBug]> I am tempted to say you have poor cooling
<[TheBug]> that chip gets VERY hott
<[TheBug]> even with raxdas included passive heat sink
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> check the post of the guy that also have them
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> and its not temps
<[TheBug]> I have a 5v 20mmx20mm fan attached to the bottom for extra cooling
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> its runniv very cool
<[TheBug]> what are you doing to cause the blue screen?
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> its just that whenever I have gpu acceleration it goes down
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> having gpu accel
<[TheBug]> I mean I have done it on tablets in different cases but not on the Rock PiX or AtomicPI with correct cooling and power
<[TheBug]> what power source are you using?
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> 9v
<[TheBug]> are you using one that supports higher power states?
<[TheBug]> if you use an correct QC 3.0 adapter it should be able to hit 12v
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> everyone have this issue as far as i am concerned
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> sorry
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> 12v
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> I use a radxa psu
<[TheBug]> hmm well I am "everyone" and I don't have your issue so I am suspect
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> with nothing connected
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> disable gpu boost
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> everything
<[TheBug]> what model board (revision) do you have
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> well, but you use 32 bit afaik
<[TheBug]> is your emmc soldered to the board
<[TheBug]> or do you have one with emmc module
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> i used the official image, the lastest one
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> blue screen
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> the guy ogf this review also
<[TheBug]> I have had both and they are different revisions
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> nicod, also
<[TheBug]> which model of the board you have?
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> tons of people with blue screen
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> 1.4
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> the guy on that review
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> said he had an odd workaround, not really a workaround
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> but after booting linux (shared on the same emmc)
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> and going back to windows it resolved the instabilitiues
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> but after reboot it appears again, only booting to linux and then to windows reoslve the issue after next reboot to windows
<[TheBug]> ohh I have seen teh GPU driver fail in a complete different way but not this one mentioend in that reference in windows
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> thats what he said
<[TheBug]> my failure has been under Linux (Android)
<[TheBug]> but it happens when changing power states
<[TheBug]> so another thing I would suggest when you test
<[TheBug]> if figure out how to make sure windows stays in a full power state instead of changing states
<[TheBug]> there is some weird power state garbage with this chip and it doesn't like changing states very much
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> so, performance
<[TheBug]> that will crash the driver from my anrdoid experience
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> put it on performance
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> that is what you suggest?
<[TheBug]> well in Android you would hit power button to trigger sleep mode on tablet
<[TheBug]> this would cause the GPU driver to fail because it doesn't understand how to change power states correctly
<[TheBug]> it would go to sleep and never wake back up
<[TheBug]> well you would get video output but the drive would esentaill crash
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> okay I will try that if I have the chance to reach it
<[TheBug]> esentailly*
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> it crash very soon sometimes
<[TheBug]> A lot of the reasons this board has issues like that is cause intels power states on that SoC especially with 32bit crap is just a clusterfuck
<[TheBug]> and after they released SDK they never went back to fix anything
<[TheBug]> so its lived in that state pretty much its entire existance
<[TheBug]> I even have a comerical version of it in one of those minipc form factors with 64gb emmc and 4GB ram actually
<[TheBug]> I have it running windows 10 pretty stable, it actually drove 3 wifi ip cameras with Blueiris
<[TheBug]> and I used quicksync non-stop
<[TheBug]> as in it was active doing this 24/7 for months and no bluescreen
<[TheBug]> but thats also not high quality video playback
<[TheBug]> but I had to leave it in the highest power state in the bios
<[TheBug]> and I also added a 40mm noctua fan and a 30mmx30mm heatsink in place of the original 'slab of aluminum with thermal pad'
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> nope, its on high performance right now
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> BSOD quickly
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<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> not even worm of course
<[TheBug]> if you want, you can dd an image of the sdcard your using and xz it and post it somewhere I will grab it and test it my self and see if I can figure something that is happening or offer any suggestion
<[TheBug]> maybe can compare it to images I have in use as well
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> the only way to avoid it is disabling the intel HD graphics
<[TheBug]> see if different windows version, driver version, etc
<[TheBug]> provide steps to reproduce what you are doing as well
<[TheBug]> and I can test it and see if I can find a way to improve it or not
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> i have them on the latest official image
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Win10_21H1.wim
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> https://wiki.radxa.com/RockpiX/downloads
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> but right now I use win10 AME and i got the driver manually
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> many thanks for your help buddy
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> I wish I could ahve it working
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> not only to show it on my channel
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> also to enjoy Jazz jackrabbit 2 with my nephews on the tv
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> 4 players coop 🙂
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> well, they dont get the coop part, but its like its, kids 🙂 hahhaa
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> the love that game, also the old ones (now remastered games)
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> secret agent
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> my nephew loves that one
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> and I have very modern games... nahh, secret agent, he loves it
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> its an apogee game, if you dont know, very old platform
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<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> I can give you a copy of my drivers too
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> thats another one
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> I use this ones, tried all those versions
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> that part is exactly what happens to me
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> the display start to do some flickering, and they go down hard
<[TheBug]> well why not just create an image from what you already have unless you licensed it and put all your porn collection on it
<[TheBug]> I will simply use it to burn to SDcard or usb stick, boot it up and test and then wipe it
<[TheBug]> but then I can use your exact implementation
<[TheBug]> and if I get it working can write it out and upload it back for you
<[TheBug]> that way I can actually test what you are running as well
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<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> okay
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> thanks
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> down the road I will upload it
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> 🙂
<[TheBug]> btw have you tried both 32bit and 64bit windows or only 64bit?
<[TheBug]> you may have a better outcome with 32bit especially if the issue has something to do with memory as the 32bit will use less memory overall
<[TheBug]> and leave a higher amount free in general
<[TheBug]> could be you run out of memory
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> nahh
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> I am very far away from that
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> 4 gig is the version I have
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> I only tried 64 bit, yes
<archetech> get the CT chipset drivers
<archetech> reboot then install the gpu drivers
<archetech> dont mix 32 and 64 bit
<archetech> stay 64
<archetech> asuuming its cherry trail
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<minnix[m]> trying to find more info about using the gpio pins on the orange pi zero plus2
<minnix[m]> the manufacturers info is very cryptic
<minnix[m]> i'd like to use them for an ethernet connection, the specs say it's supported
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Yes yes, I am not mixing.
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Okay will try that!
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> But just to mention, it also happened to me with the official latest image that have the tested drivers by radxa
<archetech> forget radxa use intel source
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<nekomancer[m]> life sucks
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<Armbian-Discord> <h​ipboi> just send them an email, we can help them
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> :-(
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<aruzicka> hi, is there a plan around having bullseye based images for odroid c2?
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<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> they are comming with this weeks release, but cli only for now
<aruzicka> that's fine with me, thanks!
<aruzicka> looking forward to it
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<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Ohh that sucks
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<nekomancer[m]> helios64 seems fully functional, the one exception: wake up on lan.
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<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Can you give me a link for that specific driver?
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