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<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> How is the armbian support for Radxa Zero?
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> I just saw a video where zero is running panfrost drivers
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<vegii> Hi. I'd just like to bring to your attention that download link redirects are not working as expected. Main download button points to https://redirect.armbian.com/orangepizero2/Focal_legacy (note: legacy, not current) which redirects to https://mirrors.dotsrc.org/armbian-dl/orangepizero2/Focal_legacy which is 404
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> vegii: should be fixed
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> tnx
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<sirnewton_01> Hi All, I'm a relative newbie to armbian. It's working great with my pinecube devices with buster.
<sirnewton_01> What's the process when a new Debian stable is declared? Will the next armbian release switch to it for all the devices or is it more of a device-by-device upgrade process?
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<[TheBug]> sirnewton_01: For some stuff you can upgrade in armbianconfig
<[TheBug]> I am not recalling if it will upgrade fully to next image cause somehow thats slipping my mind
<[TheBug]> but I will boot a board in a moment and check that
<[TheBug]> also its armbian-config sorry
<[TheBug]> hmm I think the answer is mixed, you can upgrade kernel and always switch to nightly package system but I think if you want a full upgrade outside of packages you will want to install a new image
<sirnewton_01> Thanks, that's what I'm observing too. I was wondering when there might be a new image for new release of Debian/Ubuntu when they move to a new stable release. Does this happen in the next release of Armbian?
<[TheBug]> looks like you should just be able to do package upgrade and kernel upgrades pretty straight forward actually
<[TheBug]> we are currently due for a new release very soon
<sirnewton_01> So, in theory I could just update the sources list to the new Debian release and follow Debian guidelines.
<sirnewton_01> ?
<[TheBug]> they are in CI still for it I think
<[TheBug]> I know our build servers have been going like crazy in prep
<[TheBug]> so I would imagine 'soon' is our next release
<sirnewton_01> Cool, that's good to know, thank you. Where are the new releases usually announced?
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<[TheBug]> you should see it drop on our main page when its released, usually it is announced and we try to make it pretty obvious
<[TheBug]> also I am sure we will tweet out as well
<[TheBug]> if you watch our twitter
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<sirnewton_01> Great, I'll follow the Twitter too.
<sirnewton_01> Do you think with this new release that it'll bump to newer Ubuntu/Debian releases?
<[TheBug]> We usually try to stay caught up in general so I would assume so
<sirnewton_01> Cool, that would be great.
<sirnewton_01> In terms of the kernels, do you know where those come from? Are they close to the mainline kernel? Are there device-specific tweaks to them or u-boot?
<[TheBug]> we build them all
<[TheBug]> you can check which are available both stable and dev kernels in armbian-config
<[TheBug]> they are built with our build tool
<[TheBug]> which is open source so you can get it and build kernel and image your self if you want as well
<sirnewton_01> Are the kernels and u-boot having custom patches to the source code?
<[TheBug]> We patch certain things which are not already in mainline I believe which make the boards more stable
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<[TheBug]> but I am unfortunately not a dev so I can't fully answer that with certainty, maybe someone like lanefu or IgorPec when they have time would have a better answer for that.
<sirnewton_01> Thanks, this is great info for me. Much appreciated.
<sirnewton_01> I'm interested in making sure that while I use Armbian, others who use pinecube with different OSes will eventually get the fixes and patches.
<sirnewton_01> For example, the NixOS folks have some patches that aren't yet in Amrbian, and perhaps vice-versa.
<lanefu> sirnewton_01: the general formula we follow is to checkout mainline, or in some cases (ex: allwinner devices) checkout a repo close to mainline that is pre-patched to some degree, then apply additional patches at build time
<lanefu> but yeah it's unfortunately an art and not a science
<lanefu> of hunting down patches from mailing lists, etc
<sirnewton_01> It seems like there's alot of patches for sunxi here: https://github.com/armbian/build/tree/master/patch/kernel/archive/sunxi-5.10
<lanefu> yes :)
<sirnewton_01> Ah, megous, is a heavy contributor for things allwinner.
<lanefu> yeah, why we follow their branch. it's just easier
<lanefu> adn we'll apply just .minor release updates
<lanefu> since we don't override it there
<lanefu> s3 is 32bit? right
<sirnewton_01> Right
<lanefu> icenowy pretty much did all teh armbian stuff for pinecube
<lanefu> none of us have one
<sirnewton_01> armhf
<lanefu> anyway additional patches are welcome
<sirnewton_01> Thanks, I think I have a couple that I'd like to contribute that are basically ports from NixOS, who have their own patches.
<sirnewton_01> It seems a bit ... messy.
<sirnewton_01> Isn't the mainline kernel supposed to be the source of truth and universal access to everyone?
<lanefu> welcome to the world of ARM SBCs where vendors chuck android kernels over the wall, and we're left ot fend for ourselves
<lanefu> there's a reason debian doesn't suport 120+ bespoke SBCs and we do
<sirnewton_01> I'm learning to appreciate that. :)
<sirnewton_01> Apologies for my ignorance, I was thinking that eventually all these patches would make it to mainline kernel eventually. Maybe there's some reason that they don't?
<lanefu> often they don't
<lanefu> i mean kernel has high standards
<lanefu> and usually little funding behind patch development
<lanefu> so it's a miracle we get as much support as we do
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<lanefu> so its a slow cycle
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> slow slow snails move faster
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> o wait lanefun is a snail
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> lol
<sirnewton_01> I hear that ARM didn't make our lives easier because of all the differences in implementations of peripherals where x86 standardized.
<sirnewton_01> I wonder how RISC-V will play out in that regard.
<lanefu> anyway all this stuff which is why arm system ready, adn server ready exists now
<lanefu> previously when arm stuff was just embedded devices and nobody cared about patch managment
<lanefu> just shvoing it on a board until it worked was "fine"
<sirnewton_01> Yeah, throw away boards with proprietary blobs on them for the single use that the vendor designed them.
<sirnewton_01> Thanks, this will be good reading for me.
<sirnewton_01> Btw, is icenowy here sometimes?
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<lanefu> don't thikn i've seen her handle since the move to libera
<lanefu> more likely hangs on the sunxi irc channels which i _think_ are on a different irc network
<[TheBug]> She usually hangs around in the linux-sunxi channel but unfortunately that isn't really located on this network anymore its on OFTC I think. Though that doesn't mean that she isn't idling in #linux-sunxi or on this network.
<lanefu> :P
<[TheBug]> haha
<[TheBug]> ;p
<sirnewton_01> It looks like the best I can do is to bring NixOS advancements to Armbian and help with the CSC aspect of the pinecube best I can.
<lanefu> she does respond on armbian forums sometiems too
<lanefu> sirnewton_01: yeah sounds good... it can be a little tricky to get used to teh build system but once you understand its quirks, its very powerful adn flexible. docs.armbian.com is your friend
<sirnewton_01> For now pinecube is listed as CSC. I'm assuming that's because someone, maybe icenowy is testing from time to time?
<lanefu> sometimes "we" get grumpy about CSC device questions, but if you have generic questions about build sytem and how to fight through it, those are always fair game.. oryou can ping me
<lanefu> it's kind of arbritary, but it means there's nobody commited to supporting it
<lanefu> Werner: good work getting FAQ added :)
<sirnewton_01> Ah, so if some user came with a bug, there would be someone able to confirm, perhaps fix it?
<lanefu> yeah
<lanefu> we're still overly generous with our "supported" status on boards honestly
<lanefu> really need some discerete "owners"
<lanefu> or maintainers i guess
<lanefu> i like owners, cuz i care more about being able to track, test adn troubleshoot, than resolve
<sirnewton_01> As CSC, the pinecube seems to be getting automatic builds of latest kernels and such.
<sirnewton_01> I suppose that happens until it breaks someday and then it would be removed?
<lanefu> yeah.. that's also arbritrary based on popularity
<lanefu> yeah if it just starts breaking bulds and nobody steps up to the plate we'd pull it, or demote to EOL
<lanefu> which at least stays in teh build system config, for those that want to try to work on it, or fix on their own
<sirnewton_01> Makes sense.
<sirnewton_01> Is there any kind of automated testing of boards with newer edge kernels?
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<lanefu> re: testing
<lanefu> typically not triggered automatically, but is some testing tools
<lanefu> we've got some testing rigs with relay control for power now, and usually can `curl IMAGE URL|dd` and kill power and get them to boot
<lanefu> but need automation around that as well
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<lanefu> IgorPec: has a pretty sweet setup.. here's mine https://github.com/lanefu/sbc-gpio-pcf857x
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> we lso need to update the lanefu automated system so it does more work and less slacking on the job some days
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> lol
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> jk
<lanefu> then there's some best effort CI to build kernel on PR based on what is percieved to be teh test target https://github.com/armbian/build/blob/master/.github/workflows/testpr.yml
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> he is a hardworkign bot
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> ribbing lanefu
<lanefu> :P
<lanefu> speaking of which,, need to focus on $dayjob.... sirnewton_01 kept asking questions i enjoy answering :P
<sirnewton_01> lanefu: thank you very much
<lanefu> glad to help
<vegii> IgorPec: yup, links are working now, thanks
<sirnewton_01> I can probably get a pinecube hooked up to the automation at some point if that helps.
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> they need to make a pinecone board and shape it as such
<lanefu> sirnewton_01: glad you were interested i how the sausage is made.. Armbian it's a lot of unfair criticism not considering it's really performing an impossible task (making it work on all these crazy SBCs)
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<lanefu> sirnewton_01: yeah that'd be cool
<lanefu> or just grabbign nightly images and testing works
<lanefu> you can use those test scripts yourself as well
<lanefu> but yeah endgoal is to get more of this hyper automated
<lanefu> we're using netbox for inventory.. but have to work on hte lookups etc
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<sirnewton_01> RichNeese: Agreed, that would be a cool looking network router.
<lanefu> WAN goes in top, and lan comes out bottom branches
<sirnewton_01> The cubes are turning out to be fairly decent security cameras and maybe webcams someday with some better hardware acceleration.
<sirnewton_01> Thanks again all for being patient with me and my questions.
<sirnewton_01> Back to the dayjob.
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<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> no cyberdog can replace the love and affection of a real 4 leg wet nose face licking belly want rubs tail wagging companion
<[TheBug]> Yet.
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<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> never will
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<nekomancer[m]> is there easy way to share (like pastebin) console output with color?
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