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<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> broadcom grrr
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> whats going on
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> hey hipboi whats going on
<Armbian-Discord> <h​ipboi> Ha?
<Armbian-Discord> <h​ipboi> WiFi6 for sure
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<lanefu> lol no wifi6 on that, but nothing beats the price. they're about $30USD on ebay
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> lanefu what are you going on about?
<lanefu> dreaming of getting armbian to run onaerohive AP230 access points
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> ok
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> so a BCM43460 and a 5401(5)A (looks like a sharp hat to me)
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> will need to dig a bit more 😛
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> BCM53016A
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> same family
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 16 is 1 ghz, 15 is 800 MHz
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> word
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> PCIe controllers 0,1 and 2
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Cisco Meraki MR32 is in there too
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> compatible = "meraki,mr32", "brcm,brcm53016", "brcm,bcm4708"; 🧐
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> oh cool hadn't thought of that https://discord.com/channels/854735915313659944/857944478269702214/871175849557241937
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> hey man, I'm battling 1 lb balls of furry death and trying to help
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> need board images
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I'm assuming this is NAND flash land?
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> lol
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> i think so. the chip photos i got from FCC pics
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> that shield over the SoC is like soldered on or something
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> yes
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> soldered can
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> but i mean i can sacrafice AP
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> wouldn't tell us much anyway
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> cuz cheap
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> most of that hardware visible is PoE stuff looks like
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> so honestly not a whole lot should be different than any other board based on that chip
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> the kind of NAND would be important, and how to DL it
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> curious about the 20 pin header
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> so some folks have gotten openwrt on other builds, but different devices
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> there's almost certainly a UART on there
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> but there's one on that far left port, wight?
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> its supposed to use some bastardized uboot on it
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> sounds like all u-boot
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> no it runs linux
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> it does cool shit
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> no no, I meant the bastardized part
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> anyway 2 eathernet, power and usb
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> wait
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> bleh lemme go upstairs lol
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> the mini-pcie cards for the WiFi mean that is you DID manage to put your own linux on there you could do downright stupid things
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Yeah console port
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Is left most or cluster
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> right. The right most is PoE/ Eth0, then Eth1, then power
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Yup
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> PoE and 2 mini-PCIe wifi cards means that thing could be a lot of fun
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Yes... and they are $30 on ebay
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I hate you
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> btw
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> You never got the warning that im an epic enabler
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> do you have an iPhone? Potato vision
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> So how do you update firmware normally on this thing
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> via web interface or USB
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> scp and run a command
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I'm considering what to do if one gets bricked
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> for the love of all that is holy destroy the case and add proper cooling to all that stuff
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I don't know what it is with these network device people
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> they love barbeque silicon
<Armbian-Discord> Command sent by Tonymac32
<Armbian-Discord> ...Do I want to know why there is a rail of crimp terminals for probably a molex connector on your desk?
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> the left side of the shell is a whole heat sink too
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> they're for jst connectors thank you very much
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> yeah, but you have device --->pad-->shell-->pad-->case
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> and lol
<steev> they're just trying to help keep the buildings wasrm
<steev> warm*
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> that case is metal??
<steev> reminds me of the trimslice
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Ebay, stop tracking me
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> "Lot of 6, open box" $210
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> or 350 for $7000
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I just got to that one
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> lol
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> OBO
<steev> offer them 350
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Imma offer tree-fiddy
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> South Park episode with Loch Ness Monster stories
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> nice throw back
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> let's see, I'd be out $350, and my wife would leave...
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 🤔
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> i got a few for $17
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> a piece
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> well wait, I hadn't gotten to the "con" list, I was still working on the "Pro"s
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> lol
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> no feedback on the fact I was looking at a digi-dash? 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> i dont think i understood the implications of digi-dash
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> anyway im already using them as APs with their standard firmware
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> they will work without the controller
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> its just.... harder
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<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> good morning
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<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> Good morning
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<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> Got the datasheet for aw859a wifi module
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<stipa> N​eonFetch do you make videos?
<stipa> k​prasadvnsi looks more like a promo material
<stipa> what about the driver, is it a blob?
<stipa> thats just enough info to put it on a board
<stipa> nothing about internals
<stipa> cool
<stipa> i've watched 3 videos to bump some views up
<stipa> some games work good
<stipa> all games that worked good on PC actually work good now on radxa
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> retro games 😉
<stipa> so it's mostly how good game was coded
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> should we ship box86 on desktops ?
<nekomancer[m]> <Armbian-Discord> "<l​anefu> Anyway that's what..." <- do you mean 2 lots with 12 and 15 items?
<stipa> IgorPec: if it's not much of a hassle why not
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<[TheBug]> IgorPec: there are for sure already some existing scripts and such to add box86 easily to different boards and it become a lot more popular with more boards getting good GPU accel and stuff set so, could be worth adding to desktop if the size trade off isn't huge
<[TheBug]> otherwise it may just be worth making an easily installable meta package
<[TheBug]> or something
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<nekomancer[m]> old games. still gameable after servers are down.
<IgorPec> i have no idea about the size. never ever ran this
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> A package would be my vote. Things are getting complicated 😜
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> ?
<stipa> i tried to modify zram config file in /etc/default/armbian-zram-config but after reboot nothing changed
<stipa> is that the real config file?
<stipa> i also did 'systemctl daemon-reload'
<stipa> so it should read the file
<stipa> hmmm
<stipa> i'll try one more time, i guess i see a fackup
<[TheBug]> hmm
<[TheBug]> what are you trying to do?
<stipa> change algorithm and bump the ram to 100 % for start
<stipa> now it's the worst algorithm and 50% of ram
<stipa> the best algorithm could bump up 290 %
<stipa> i guess
<stipa> i rebooted
<stipa> but if it's the same i guess config file is somewhere else
<stipa> it crashed lol, no boot
<stipa> [ 28.153809] kernel BUG at arch/arm64/kernel/traps.c:407!
<[TheBug]> I am confused
<[TheBug]> whats the end goal
<[TheBug]> to disable zram
<[TheBug]> or add more zram
<stipa> add more
<[TheBug]> you don't want to do that
<[TheBug]> you will just spend CPU cycles on swapping non-stop when it's trying to compress all your ram
<[TheBug]> it's nice in a pinch but it really isn't a replacement for a real swap partition
<[TheBug]> if you need more swap just add another swap file on a real device
<stipa> it's too slow
<stipa> at least on sd card
<stipa> but i should have that too if zram overflows
<[TheBug]> yeah pretty much if you get to the end of zram your thrashing CPU anyways
<[TheBug]> so really if you get to a point you exceed zram a real swap would be better even if you take an IO hit
<stipa> ok, i got the boot
<stipa> 150% boost
<stipa> i would also like to try zstd algorithm, now is lzo-rle //dev/zram1 zstd 50M 1.6M 359.4K 764K 4 /var/log
<stipa> /dev/zram0 lzo-rle 1.5G 8.5M 2.1M 2.6M 4 [SWAP]
<stipa> what a nice formatting
<nekomancer[m]> stipa: `fixed font`
<lanefu> hehe
<lanefu> how are you measuring performance?
<stipa> like, now are two firefox working
<stipa> no chance before
<stipa> two tabs*
<stipa> and 1GB of swap left
<stipa> it's just the left mouse switch is gone
<stipa> almost
<Armbian-Discord> <i​av> font thread
<stipa> i'll ride it a little
<stipa> had to fix the mouse first
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<stipa> dexoit fix everything
<[TheBug]> WD40
<stipa> yeah, there's some lubricant in deoxit tooo, i just have some german version
<stipa> KONTAKT 61
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<stipa> red one
<stipa> no, blue one with red cube below 61 at the bottom of the barell
<stipa> it works
<stipa> i add some to pretty much everything
<stipa> new, old, doesn't matter
<stipa> it fixed a switch
<stipa> not that those switches are expensive but still
<lanefu> dexoit rocks
<stipa> oh damn, VCPU on opi lite 2 works after the update
<stipa> VPU*
<stipa> someone did something
<stipa> awesome
<lanefu> lol wooho
<stipa> cpu is still pretty busy but much better than before the update
<stipa> like 150% better
<stipa> awesome, still no HDMI sound
<stipa> seems like H6 Throttle when it hits 80 C
<stipa> can that be turned off with software?
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> put a better heatsync and fan on it
<stipa> i have this system just because of no fan ability
<stipa> the main reason i'm interested in this stuff
<stipa> ok, switching off firefox helped a little
<stipa> damn, it plays HD movie
<stipa> 4 cores hoover around 50%
<stipa> temp at 75 C
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<lanefu> stipa: thats fantastic
<lanefu> what video player? mpv?
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> then put a bigger flat heatsync
<lanefu> who are you calling flat?
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> but a small 5v fan is going to be quiet
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> lanefu we know your round as a jellybean
<lanefu> lol
<stipa> lanefu: MPV , VLC i have to tweak i guess
<stipa> with MPV it works otb
<lanefu> nice
<stipa> yeah
<stipa> R​ichNeese there has to be a hack ?
<stipa> to disable throttling
<[TheBug]> [12:24] <stipa> i have this system just because of no fan ability -- This doesn't really exist, they give you this idea for INDUSTRIAL use cases, where in reality most workloads are very light so it doesn't need a heatsink
<[TheBug]> when you go use it as a desktop you really don't have an excuse not to have a heatsink an min, and maybe a fan.
<stipa> i have a tiny heatsink
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> most metal case in the industry have pads that connect the cpu/gpu to the case and the case acts like a huge heatsync
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> get a better one
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> they are good bor verybasic use at that small size
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> bigger is better more space to dissipate the heat
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> somethign with fins is better as air will move accross it and help
<[TheBug]> stipa: also there are some decent fans around now where you can get almost quiet operation
<[TheBug]> so ify ou concern is noise
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> my fan and heatsync on the t4 you never hear
<[TheBug]> if your concern is noise*
<[TheBug]> thats not such a big issue anymore
<stipa> damn it runs YT in HD
<stipa> yeah guys, but you both know how shitty is to mount a fan
<[TheBug]> 4 m3 nylon screws?
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> no
<stipa> i mean a heatsink
<stipa> i don't have mounting holes
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> no mine went on easy and no issues witht he pad
<stipa> just some 3M tape
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> you have to get the one made for the board
<[TheBug]> you can use 3m thermal pad, thats fine
<[TheBug]> use a 20mmx20mm heatsink
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> what board is this btw
<[TheBug]> attach 5v fan on top
<stipa> R​ichNeese opi lite 2
<[TheBug]> check this out Stipa
<[TheBug]> you can see the differnt things I tried there
<[TheBug]> at the end I buit a pressure based system
<[TheBug]> that uses mx4 thermal paste and is held down by the mount system I made
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> does this look hard to do
<[TheBug]> theres a lot of other ways as well to accomplish this but yes it will have some investment both $ and time
<stipa> R​ichNeese yeah, that looks neat but i don't have that luxury of mounting holes
<[TheBug]> stipa: what I show on that blog post I used m3 nylon screws / posts + I cut small picese of plastic card which I used to apply down pressure on fan and heatsink there
<[TheBug]> jI think I used an old gift card
<[TheBug]> and a hoel punch
<[TheBug]> hole*
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> there are fans that have mounting brackets
<[TheBug]> yes but he is talking about an OPi board, they don't have mouonting holes generally speaking
<[TheBug]> most allwinner boards don't have such mounting holes
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> you can make one also
<stipa> [TheBug]: yeah, good idea, using board mounting holes at the same time for pressing the heatsink to the board
<[TheBug]> yes that would be an option but that heatsink set alone is probably 2x cost of heatsink + 5v fan ;p
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> you can mke one dude
<[TheBug]> stipa: I do it on the cheap too
<[TheBug]> I like a challange
<stipa> yeah, i will have to do alot oh cutting
<[TheBug]> and so I have come up with a bunch of different solutions like that
<stipa> with saw for metal
<[TheBug]> yeah but that feeling when you do it
<[TheBug]> and it works
<[TheBug]> is awesome
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> go to lowes and get a piece of sheet metal
<[TheBug]> I did it with just plastic card and m3 nylon screws/posts as shown
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> use a cutter or dremel to cut to size and shape
<stipa> [TheBug]: good job
<stipa> you have given me a hope
<stipa> R​ichNeese yeah yeah
<stipa> i have some tools
<stipa> ready to cut and drill holes
<stipa> the shop with metal sheet nad scres is near
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> there you go
<stipa> only the fan i'll have to research
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> you can make a copper heatsync with no fam
<[TheBug]> I can show you some fan options
<[TheBug]> if you would like me to
<stipa> not the fan, the heatsink
<stipa> [TheBug]: sure
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> you could water cool it also
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> but make sure the heatstnc covers the ram/cpu and wifi
<[TheBug]> if you have the money and want something SUPER quiet -- I will always suggest this Noctua fan.. just because they are awesome -- https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DXS86G7/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> if you had a block of aluminum you could use it
<steev> have purchased that option, they're good enough
<[TheBug]> only because i have purchased and used these things my self
<[TheBug]> there are a lot of good heatsink options though that work
<[TheBug]> and some you can get with preapplied 3M adhesive pad
<[TheBug]> if you live on the wild side you can always use thermal plaster
<[TheBug]> I still do in some applications
<[TheBug]> but obviously i have also had negative outcomes there as well
<[TheBug]> so can only suggest your own preference there
<stipa> yeah, i'm thinking of getting heatsink as big as the board
<steev> ehh
<stipa> and cutting out what obstructs gpio and stuff
<stipa> and than on top of that a plate that is mounted to the mounting holes of the board
<stipa> below the heatsink would go a thermal pad
<stipa> no fan
<stipa> that should keep it under 80 C
<stipa> on full load
<stipa> maybe
<stipa> even a thermal pad between the heatsink and the plate
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I have 20x40 heatsinks that I use with 20mm fans
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Erm, maybe 25
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Hold please
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 25x50. :-)
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> That with 1 fan can keep an RK3288 at 2.1 GHz overclock from thermal throttling
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I may have attached it with thermally conductive epoxy.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Super thin layer
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> @RichNeese 🤣
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> How do you keep a cell phone SoC cool at wide open throttle? Well...
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> lol tonymac figures you would
<stipa> lol
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> I have a iphone dont know
<lanefu> Hahahah
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> If you want your XU4 to transcode 1080p in software, that's the ticket to it not catching fire
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> And it was fun 🙂
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> ok bbl
<nekomancer[m]> <Armbian-Discord> "<T​onymac32> https://cdn...." <- price of this heatsink?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Ali express has them too. Then some.tubing and a small 12V water pump and a radiator of some sort. It wasn't much honestly.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0925V1CFK
<nekomancer[m]> thank you. just not think it can be so cheap.
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Check this out guys
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> The radxa zero runnjbg windows x86 games
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> It can be powered by any uab tv interface due his very low consumption
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> And deliver amazing performance
<nekomancer[m]> the last one "need for speed"?
<IgorPec> neonfetch: we have been playing with an idea to ship box64 with desktop images. how much is that in size and complexity?
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Just 10 megs and 2 libs..like 15 megs without compression
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> This is with box86 that demands a full 32 bit userspace. But for box64 the size requirements are extre low
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Sega rally
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> The pc version
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Video de Salva 😄
<IgorPec> cool, this is acceptable
<IgorPec> in term of size
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Yeah. On the long road box64 will be more handy (due steam x64 and winr x64 software)
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Video de Salva 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> I guess you know this classic
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Being armbian the main OS of this board will bump the armbian popularity to the sky
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Well, main linux OS
<nekomancer[m]> now it's apple&android era.
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<Razva> I just joined to say "thank you" for your work, you are great!
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> ?
<[TheBug]> Razva: Thanks!
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<[TheBug]> Glad you enjoy Armbian