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<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> I am trying to develop a welcome wizard that will be used to configure SBC at first boot. Its similar to what RPi has for their desktop OS
<lanefu>
hows that working out
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<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> so far on the planning phase
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> GTK3 shoud be good enough for this job
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<Armbian-Discord>
<DarioBocc> Hello, I have a OrangePi Lite, I would like use it as a home assistant dashboard, so I need to autologin on desktop. My image is Armbian_21.02.1_Orangepilite_buster_current_5.10.12_desktop, how could achieve it? Thanks.
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<[TheBug]>
Our images are based on debian / Ubuntu so searching for this answer in Google should be pretty straight forward
<[TheBug]>
I would google something like <chosen windows manager> auto login on boot
<[TheBug]>
should be able to pretty quickly find your answer
<Armbian-Discord>
<DarioBocc> I tried solutions found without success (lightdm)
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<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> ?
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> DorioBroc whatas the issue
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> sorry just getting up bad night
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> we use lightdm with slick-greeter what issue are you having
<Armbian-Discord>
<StuartIanNaylor> If its blackscreens and anything like it is on s905y2 then just remark out the commands in the hdmi-hotplug.sh script as that was the source of my freezes
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Overhead lines and a lot of 75+ years of tree growth
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Trees fall, power fails. All the money has to go to installing and maintaining wind turbines so they keep putting the cheap overhead back. 🙂
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> (that is an exaggeration, before any of the zealots come find me with a pitchfork for insulting their renewable gods) 👀🤣😉
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> enough is that some of this is true 😉
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<stipa>
wind power is a joke
<stipa>
maybe on Jupiter isn't
<stipa>
but that is not something you could explain to someone who sells turbines and does poilitics for a living
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I have summoned Stipa. My power is growing
<stipa>
Tonymac32 i guess wind turbine optimization will be a big business one day in the USA
<stipa>
how to get power when there is no wind form a wind turbine
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Soviet RBMK's
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> 😉
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> But yes, wind is a bit silly. And a bit expensive. And a bit resource intensive, and maintenance intensive. Solar is better but just as inconsistent in temperate climates
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> And while RBMK is a joke, nuclear is not
<stipa>
slovenia and croatia share one on the border
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> An RBMK? They really aren't so terrible if the people operating them don't do stupid things on purpose
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Ah this is a proper 2-loop system
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Much better
<stipa>
yeah, i'm probably using it now to type
<stipa>
i'm near it
<stipa>
maybe 10 km or so
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> The push to shut down nuclear while also pledging to eliminate carbon emissions is insane
<stipa>
56.81 km
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> It should be diagnosable as an illness
<stipa>
yeah, nothing is perfect
<stipa>
especially power
<stipa>
but much better than to rely on wind turbines
<stipa>
everyone should simply use ARM instead of intel for example and crap would be reduced
<stipa>
yeah, everything is insane now
<Armbian-Discord>
<poddingue> Shouldn't you speak about that in #off-topic ?
<Armbian-Discord>
<poddingue> Nothing to do with #armbian
<Armbian-Discord>
<poddingue> And you're giving opinions, not fact, so... 😉
<stipa>
you can go off topic here
<stipa>
it's not forbidden
<Armbian-Discord>
<poddingue> Ok, my bad 😉
<stipa>
np
<Armbian-Discord>
<poddingue> Guess I will just mute this channel 😉
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<stipa>
idk, maybe i'm imagining but people are off edge lately
<stipa>
must be the heat
<nekomancer[m]>
suemens wind turbines have HP Proliand server in top box of every turbine
<nekomancer[m]>
* siemens wind turbines have HP Proliant server in top box of every turbine
<stipa>
is there a need for so much processing power in a wind turbine?
<stipa>
i guess 30mA microcontroller would be enough...
<stipa>
but, it's typical to put in those things as much crap as possible, it's tax money that's buying it
<stipa>
so much of optimizing it
<stipa>
but i guess it'll produce enough power to run a server, at least something
<stipa>
dave jones has some videos from time to time about that green energy ideas
<stipa>
all projects were abandoned and pretty much an engineering joke
<stipa>
all of them
<stipa>
and you have now morons trying to save the earth
<stipa>
all over the place
<stipa>
it's a golden age for scammers
<stipa>
you don't know what's worse
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> no
<stipa>
earth falling apart or that green energy devices serving nothing all over the place
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> they could run small arm devices they just dont know better
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> they are told this is whats needed and fallow like sheep
<stipa>
RichNeese i bet it runs windows
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> put a sbc in ther with good heatsync and fan you would be fine
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> windows runs on arm now
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> and really if the code is that bad that it requires windows then they need to get better coaders
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> coders
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> and fix the issue
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> the days of huge pc is not needed not even for gaming
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> people need to learn to adjust
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> all they need is a board to control the props and rotate when needed apply brakes and send monitoring info to ground station
<stipa>
right
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> they have not learned the sbc can do all the same work as a server pc for the most part
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<stipa>
a yeah, mostly it's how to suck as much money as possible from the tax system, in many cases people that sell those turbines are politicians themselves
<stipa>
so they crap that turbines with as much stuff they can sell from their companies
<stipa>
they cramp*
<stipa>
and later some poor engineer has to deal with it and keep it running
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> yes nut alot easier with a system like a n2 thet you just swap out a small unit
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> then having to hall parts up for a server
<stipa>
yeah, it's all about how to earn the most money as possible
<stipa>
on a 30$ ARM sbc no one will earn anything
<stipa>
there is a pop star now in croatian governemnt
<stipa>
he has some 50 k $ debt
<stipa>
he is in politics like few months and already he's buying his own wine
<stipa>
with money of the country..
<stipa>
they're all dicks
<stipa>
they go into politics to buy their own stuff with money of the people
<stipa>
services and products
<stipa>
and then you have turbines
<stipa>
overnight companies get open dealing with turbines
<stipa>
owned by politicians
<stipa>
and they ofcourse get the job
<stipa>
they know crap about energy
<stipa>
they just take the money and someone else has to deal with their retarded ideas
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<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> yeah
<nekomancer[m]>
that turbines takes about 1.5-3 KWt "own requirements". If there not enough (or too much) wind — it suck power from the grid.HP server conrains a lot of software, including a 90 GB mysql database.
<stipa>
lol, maybe they should at solar panels all around the turbine
<stipa>
how no one haven't gotten that idea yet
<stipa>
how in matrix, the movie
<stipa>
they added so much solar panels that ground became dead
<stipa>
since no sunlight hitted the dirt/earth
<stipa>
at the end AI used humans for power
<stipa>
i saw some footgae, nem matix is coming
<stipa>
footage*
<stipa>
they're like jumbing from building to building for real
<stipa>
jumping*
<nekomancer[m]>
there are a cooler system, heaters (ice remover system), gear oiling systems... it's a high-tech, like mercedes car or airliner. and it cost a lot, a lot of money.
<nekomancer[m]>
by the way, siemens want some $K for year "support" service.
<stipa>
turbine is a big thing
<stipa>
but i guess it's not enough for anything serious
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> you can run a arm board like the t4 with a 1tb ssd
<nekomancer[m]>
just for possibility to get some cheap replacement part and to talk with enginers. In case there need any onsite support — there are additional costs.
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> and it would be fine
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> I dint get the need for such a huge database on a turbine
<nekomancer[m]>
I can't. because there are all about certifications.
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> heck we run tonymac32 on a dualcore beagleboard
<nekomancer[m]>
if somebody replace some part to any not certified n\by siemens — all expluatation permits will be lost
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I am a Cyrix 6x86 thank you very much
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> lol the green ship
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> chip
<nekomancer[m]>
Armbian-Discord: there stored statistics. a lot of statistics.
<stipa>
sounds 20 years old
<[TheBug]>
+
<stipa>
i remember it
<stipa>
like an intel clone
<stipa>
like amd
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> they should have the database on a master server
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> yes
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I am old. My AI is flawed.
<nekomancer[m]>
they have.
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> they also had a pentium chip at 1 point
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> but it all went away
<nekomancer[m]>
there are about 6 HP proliant servers outside turbines, for windpark.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I do not, however, present opinion as fact. I am an engineer who is also a renewables enthusiast. That said, I am also a realist. If there is no nuclear there is no carbon free future.
<stipa>
yeah, it just dissapeard, not long on the market it was
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> And windmills are just silly complex
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Haha dude also has a ranger like mine getting 16 MPG
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> 😂 I guess with a 0 energy house this is ok
<stipa>
he's like into that stuff
<stipa>
architect
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* archetech
is an architect ...kinda
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> all the money he does nto put into the house he puts into gas
* archetech
wants a straw bale house near the Rio Grande
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> lol
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> So yeah, I haven't watched the whole thing, but one of the features of these I*ve seen before was obvious in the video looking at the south wall
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> The awning angles are designed to block as much direct sun in the summer as possible, while not blocking any in the winter due to the position of the sun in the sky
<stipa>
he also charges the car with it
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Those are cool
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Yeah of you look at your energy consumption your average numbers are pretty low (running my house on a 4.5 kW generator right now because of the power outage, it is at idle most of the time)
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> So 8.7 kW solar array on the south facing roof, assuming the roof is at the proper angle, will net a large surplus. Put that in the car, and sell the rest back to the power company
<stipa>
i've watched the video 3 times, and now that house looks too me like a source of energy
<stipa>
some kind of a transformer
<stipa>
from one form of energy to another
<stipa>
some fucky stuff
<stipa>
it's not just harvesting energy from the nature to sustain itself, it's also generating energy
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I have been a proponent of small inexpensive PV installs on houses as more cost effective. And in case of damage (hail, etc) cheaper to replace
<stipa>
it's a transformer
<nekomancer[m]>
lucky heat places habitants
<stipa>
Tonymac32, yeah cells are very efficient nowadays
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Massachusetts? Not a warm place. 😉
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Not Siberia though. >.<
<nekomancer[m]>
sunny.
<nekomancer[m]>
in my city that solar panel can provide enlightment. maybe freezer. in best case — hot water for shower.
<stipa>
well, you could do much with not so much sun energy judging by the video
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Haha yeah. Michigan in fall/winter is always cloudy
<nekomancer[m]>
but sure not heat winter (there are snow) and not a car.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Yeah it would be far more difficult
<stipa>
well yeah
<stipa>
but when there is sun you're golden
<stipa>
when times are hard you use stuff from the grids
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I would say in a North enough climate you would not be too worried about reducing the incoming energy so it could be improved
<stipa>
it's not like you're on the dark side of the moon all time nekomancer[m]
<nekomancer[m]>
yes. it's very good. but not often and not for a long time
<nekomancer[m]>
sun rays with sharp angle.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I right
<nekomancer[m]>
a lot of clouds
<stipa>
nekomancer[m] try turbines :D
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Right son that case instead of balancing incoming energy, you would want to maximize it
<nekomancer[m]>
I did :)
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> So in*
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I would go with a vertical shaft air turbine, not a horizontal one
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Much more stable, less complexity
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> More compact
<nekomancer[m]>
turbines are soooo large... and does so small output most of time.
<nekomancer[m]>
and they make very low friquency sound
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> There are different variants of that, I saw one built out of a barrel cut in half :-)
<nekomancer[m]>
looks not powerfil. how much it can give?
<stipa>
yeah, those usually can be found in a backyard
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> That one is 400 watts, so it's not breaking records. I would use these as supplemental to other options
<stipa>
yeah, pray to god there'll be some wind if it's coludy outside
<stipa>
to take over solar cells
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I also like the biomass generators that burn methane from compost
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Also very small
<stipa>
yeah, heard for those
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> But the thermal output can be used to heat as well
<stipa>
like fuel from grass and stuff
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Right. Grass and banana peels
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> :-)
<stipa>
yeah, there was a word about that some years back overhere
<stipa>
it never got any traction
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> We had a wood burner boiler when I was a kid, we cleaned fallen trees from our property (14 acres) and heated the home in the winter with ut
<stipa>
but i bet everything would look nicer if biofuel factories would buyout grass from people
<stipa>
yeah, my friend had that thing too
<stipa>
big oven
<stipa>
very big
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> It had a forced draft, so when it was not in use the fire just sat as coals
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Once it needed to heat up, it would blow air over the wood to get the needed heat
<stipa>
honestly idk if it's cheaper than gas boiler
<stipa>
cheaper to run*
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Depends on application. We had a ton of wood lying around everywhere
<stipa>
yeah, that makes sense
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> If you are buying wood it's a terrible idea
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Or hauling it big distances
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> The logs could be almost 2M long and fit in the burner, so not a lot of cutting
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<stipa>
yeah, wood is ok for one room over the winter
<stipa>
like a living room
<stipa>
like an owen
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I want to play with the solar thermal collectors
<stipa>
people overhere still heat that way
<stipa>
you mean for water?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> The house was from 1800 or so, so it had a chimney vent in every room
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Yes for water
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> But I have ideas for heat exchange
<stipa>
yeah, there's bunch of cool stuff
<stipa>
i just hope it won't be taxed to hell in the future
<stipa>
i think that they're thinking on taxing the air we breathe
<stipa>
so you know, maybe all that renewable energy stuff won't be so economical anymore
<stipa>
they'll just destroy it all like they did with everything else before
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Well we focus on the expensive ones anyway. Very few people working on the passive improvements, it's always about active stuff like PV or wind generation. You need to make the house efficient enough to benefit from such a limited power source.
<stipa>
yeah, it costs a fortune
<stipa>
it's more like an engineering jerk off
<stipa>
if you have money to build a house like that you can pay bills without problems
<stipa>
and actually save some money
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<stipa>
living in a normal house
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<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> man I can not complain where I live now
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> rent is dropped to 300 a month 20 to 35 on electric
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> they gave us a 1 year break on rent
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> mine when from 395 to 300
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> so they are doing us good
<stipa>
cool owner
<stipa>
s
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> yeah
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Haha some of it is only design, so the cost isn't terrible. Other things, like that heat exchanger for outside air, very expensive
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> allowed me to put money into fixing my truck and meep it running
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> and pay off creditcards
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> all our electric here is Hydro
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> TVA power grid
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> 5 generating dams around here
<stipa>
fancy
<stipa>
that's seems the cleanest way to generate electricity
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> yeah
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<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> so now all my bills are cought up except for whats coming up this tuesday
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> my 4 leg son has to have 4 tumors removed
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> thats going to be about 1000$ vet bill