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<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> The earth is burning because of the great generation and the boomers
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<stipa>
lanefu: nah, i think it's burning because of something that human mind will never be able to understand
<stipa>
why even bother
<stipa>
all that energy wasted in figuring out why earth is falling apart could be invested into something more of use
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Like reducing our footprint perhaps
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> In a meaningful way
<stipa>
like, reducing the greed a little
<stipa>
you really don't need billions to be happy
<stipa>
and other suffer beacuse of that
<stipa>
and the planet
<stipa>
some people think they'll be happy if they're super rich
<stipa>
and they never achieve that
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> We need to promote a culture that values social investment. This is the difficult part. Doing it via government is just a path to another volume of stacking bodies because governments can not function without applying the threat or reality of lethal force
<stipa>
idk, it just has to happen
<stipa>
forcing people into something never ends well
<stipa>
be it good or wrong
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> If Elon actually does something of value with his cars and rockets that is beneficial long term, then the billions are money well spent. Same for Bezos, he already redefined expectation for online shopping and the availability of goods. That isn't without value. If he undertakes a project with a purely social or technological value then it's icing on the cake
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Gates is spending on Fusion, isn't he? There should be more spending on that one 😀
<stipa>
fusion is one of those "free energy" ideas, tbh hones i don't know what it does in well respected intellectual circles
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Haha well this all comes down to magnetics and materials. We can get the stuff hot enough and dense enough, but we can't contain it yet
<stipa>
yeah, the idea is to make a sun
<stipa>
the dyson idea you mentioned
<stipa>
but something has to power it, the sun
<stipa>
the sun si getting energy from somewhere like everything does
<stipa>
what is that energy human doesn't know
<stipa>
that idea works just like free energy ideas
<stipa>
energy from nothing
<stipa>
the easiest way to make fusion is to bun a fire and put solar cells around it
<stipa>
burn*
<stipa>
start a fire in a backyard*
<stipa>
that's fusion
<stipa>
reactor
<stipa>
but those fusion fucks want to lit a reaction and that's it
<stipa>
and they spend a bunch of energy for it
<stipa>
more than it gives out
<stipa>
the same way free energy devices work
<stipa>
you put energy in and have loses in the system and some energy comes out
<stipa>
transforming one form of energy into another is the best you can get with loses
<stipa>
that is fusion energy right now
<stipa>
and i guess it'll stay like that forever
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<stipa>
sounds cool, people invest in it like crazy, even governments, but if you ask me it's wasted money
<stipa>
it has just been eating money for decades, nothing else
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> 👀
<stipa>
Tonymac32 it's one of those "it'll be soon" scams :D
<stipa>
probably packed with bunch of questionable scientists
<stipa>
they have nice living for sure considering how much money is tossed at that project
<stipa>
thrown at*
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<stipa>
but damn, i have never tought that Bill Gates could be a pedophile
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I don't know anything about it and would prefer to leave the real nasty crap off of this IRC 😑
<stipa>
idk if you have this on in the USA but it goes like this
<stipa>
"you are like people you hang out with"
<stipa>
yeah nasty...
<lanefu>
What's awesome / terrifying is i did that from my weechat mobile client
<stipa>
you mean on this "+lanefu | What's awesome / terrifying is i did that from my weechat mobile client "
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<lanefu>
yeah nevermind yeah it didnt dump the output in the channel
<lanefu>
its just local
<lanefu>
sorry for confusion
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<stipa>
np
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<Armbian-Discord>
<ran the commiebot> Anyone able to either build gl4es successfully or get retroarch’s mupen core to load on a rockpro64? The core whines about being compiled for OpenGL but retroarch only offering it EGL.
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<kprasadvnsi> stipa: WTF you are talking about? 🤣
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<RichNeese> this should be moved to offtopic
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> if not armbian related
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<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Neither, free energy stuff you are talking about. Fusion is certainly not a free energy thing. In fact nothing is free energy, that's what make it a scam.
<stipa>
that is correct
<stipa>
what really is the cost is infrastructure to get some form of energy to a home
<stipa>
or somewehere else
<stipa>
or to generate it
<stipa>
the action to make it happen
<stipa>
the only thing that could make fusion going is if the energy to power it would be very affordable
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Governments like to spend on big stuff so the funding for ITER is largely fueled by promise of clean and cheap energy.
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<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> There are other problems as well. They took something that is theoretically possible and run with it without thinking if it's even practical solution. They did it because why not, money is there for it so is the hype around it like somebody said they are making a mini son😅
<stipa>
yeah, wasted money
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<stipa>
investing money into something that's not doable is very risky
<stipa>
in many cases total failure and a waste of money
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> 99.8% of things are doable for the right cost in r&d
<stipa>
yeah right
<stipa>
read some tech news from 2010
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> the past is the past we dont live there
<stipa>
and see what has been done today regarding all that plans
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> this is today and now
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> you can not base the future on the past it gets you nowhere
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> this is what people need to learn
<stipa>
there are even dates when they'll do it
<stipa>
or at least part of the year and which year
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> yesterday is yesterday you can not change it and not let it deside the futurew
<stipa>
it's not for my mone
<stipa>
money*
<stipa>
i don't like to waste it
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> money is paper and has no real value other then the stamp they put on it
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> we need to go back to barter where we can and get back to real living
<stipa>
yeah, world would be a better place with better resource management
<stipa>
not like today
<stipa>
you give someone a ton of fish and he says you i'll give you fusion energy maybe never
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<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> You are technically right but it's the public money these governments are spending. So coming out of tax payers pockets.
<stipa>
yeah, we spoke about turbines and that topic above susion reactor
<stipa>
fusion reactor*
<stipa>
win turbines
<stipa>
wind*
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<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> In the physics we kinda know everything but if you really press it then we know nothing. Everything is just a really good approximation 😆
<stipa>
yeah, you can always dig deeper into something
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Nop, there is a fundamental limit on how deep you can dig.
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<stipa>
kprasadvnsi[m]: the limit is when you decide
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<stipa>
"a man is only limited by his imagination"
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> No, I meant there is a real fucking limit on how much info you can extract from the universe.
<[TheBug]>
and the size of his...
<stipa>
car
<[TheBug]>
with the sensors humans are equiped with and to read, that it probably true kprasadvnsi
<stipa>
kprasadvnsi[m]: this is how deep is the universe... and beyond
<stipa>
your thinking of universe like its expanding
<stipa>
but let's be real
<stipa>
let's stick to our solar system
<stipa>
it's all cycles and loops
<stipa>
year repeats, that's a feedback
<stipa>
a loop
<stipa>
idk, it may be that i'm a stupid man that learns slow
<stipa>
so digging into some topic forever is normal to me
<stipa>
due to slowness of realizing stuff on the way
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
<stipa> "your thinking of universe like..." <- When I say universe, I mean stuff from very small to very large. Although I was talking about the small stuff like at quantum level stuff
<stipa>
quantum, idk, that's topic i'm not familiar with, all i know is that space doesn't exist there
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<stipa>
the topic i heard of is fast information travel on long distances
<stipa>
like, infinite long distances
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> It's not a physics channel so I better stop now for the sake of person who might have to read this while searching for some useful stuff.
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<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> You are lucky if you haven't gone to this rabbit hole 😜. I had sleepless nights thinking about quantum stuff. It still haunts me to this day.
<stipa>
yeah, i won't even try to go there
<stipa>
maybe coding quantum architecture would be interesting
<stipa>
i've seen some universities looking for FPGA coder to amke them quantum core
<stipa>
emulation of quantum core*
<stipa>
i'm not sure, but they didn't be specific either what they wanted
<stipa>
probably a machine they could promote for their quantum computing classes
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> he is going behind, where vents are blowing hot air 😉
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Nice. Cats are crazy for heat
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> double trouble
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> The old man cat is not amused by these two
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<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> hey tonymac32 do you have the nanopi-m4.dts file ?
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> or is it just in the path files
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<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> patch files
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Those boards were added while I was not participating in the Rockchip64/RK3399/FriendlyArm free for all patch situation, so I'm not sure
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> ok
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> well charlie did confirm the fe-som and backplane boards are on hold
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> seems parts a\have been hard to parse and it seems in the US the board has not taken off
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Parts and price
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> yeah
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> and the new m4b makes no sense from the m4v2
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> If the SoM was $40 it would be different
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> just to over priced
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I want them to make another NanoPC, but in full picoITX
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> The two boards in that form factor I have are awesome. The NanoPC T4 is not as deep, but is the right width of memory serves
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> RPi form factor + more than 10 watt TDP = challenging. Not to mention cramped for space
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<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> a pico/nano itx would be nice for normal case support
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> I agree
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Pico doesn't really have cases per se, but at least the mounting holes/external dimensions are known and there are some general guidelines to connector placement
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<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> ok
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<Armbian-Discord>
<br> I hate to ask what feels like a dumb question, but how would I go about troubleshooting what’s going on with my Pinebook Pro running Armbian?
<Armbian-Discord>
<br> It just hangs on here with a blinking cursor
<Armbian-Discord>
<br> But I don’t see anything failing, or any timeouts, or anything like that
<Armbian-Discord>
<br> I’m a pretty advanced Linux user especially with regards to scripting, but I have no idea how to troubleshoot what it’s stuck on that would prevent it from getting to GDM
<Armbian-Discord>
<br> …you know what, nevermind, it just finally timed out and continued. I’m not sure what went wrong but I’ll be able to investigate now…
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<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> what img
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> what img are you using how old