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<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> not that I know of
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<kprasadvnsi> What is this Twister OS thing?
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Are they related to Armbian?
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Wow, they look shady as hell. No link to source code anywhere on website
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> Twisteros isnt open source
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> Its just a custom image of armbian
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> If you have to ask...
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> No relation with armbian team whatsoever
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> We just put that name to refer to the real OS behind the fancy themes
<steev>
that seems.... odd
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<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> On their website I have seen Armbian in many places. So I thought it's a Armbian clone but then I learn that they really don't give a shit about free open source software.
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> Indeed.
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> He is comfy with others people opeb source work. Not with his work
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<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> Is just one guy, we used to make that image together. He kicked me once I demanded to publish everything
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> Bc, at the end. I didnt care that much about the themes.. we were just making box86 friendly for noobs.
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> And the not publishing the source of themes/swticher was on purpose. He basically said he will not promote imitations..
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> That was his argument.
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> "He basically said he will not promote imitations.." 🤣🤣🤣
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> The guy might not understand the irony in his statement.
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> Probably
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<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> The armbian paste does syntax highlighting
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<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> lanefu you around
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> I take it everyone is gone
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> no igor no lanefu
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> wow
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<lanefu>
You scared everyone off
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> lol
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> comeover to development
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<stipa>
yeah, there's a bunch of wanna be millionaires, the only way to get there if you don't have money to invest into your idea is to take advantage of others and not give anything in return
<stipa>
in open source is expected if you earn some with the project in some way to donate
<stipa>
but that for some reason doesn't work because that's not how you become a millionaire
<stipa>
but well, i guess that's a flaw of open source
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> I believe it's not a flaw of open source that you can't milk monkey from users the way proprietary software do. Open source born because people selling proprietary software got too greedy and ruined everything. Just try to develop and host a website without using any open source tools or technology and you will get an idea.
<stipa>
yeah, the irony is that greedy people use open source software nowadays
<stipa>
they don't even need to pay software for their website
<stipa>
and they of course won't
<stipa>
donat
<stipa>
e
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Well, there a reason we call open source contributions a public service.
<stipa>
it's foggy
<stipa>
it's core is pure but everything around it is scum
<stipa>
at least some of it is functinal
<stipa>
there's a bunch of linux machines with login passwords and you can do little about it
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> As public services goes. You get what you paid for which in most cases nothing.
<stipa>
so much of openness
<stipa>
kprasadvnsi , yeah, if you truly want to contribute
<stipa>
that's open source
<stipa>
invest and expect nothing in return
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<stipa>
of course, you can use it
<stipa>
but you can do that without investing in it too
<stipa>
but nowadays it became greed motherfucker
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Well, however little is the contribution, it's all done so the little guys can afford a software that otherwise he will not be able to use.
<stipa>
maybe little broken, but at least it's something
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> A little broken you said. What about the countless proprietary crap that we have to deal with where little broken means suck up and use what's given. Example: Intel Quartus Prime, Microchip Libero SoC tools, Google Docs, etc
<stipa>
maybe i'm just expecting to much of what is advertised
<stipa>
but tbh, linux also likes to brag about achievements that really aren't there yet
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Haha I thought the same when Windows Vista came out. 😅
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<stipa>
i think that about everything
<stipa>
and i always get dissapointed
<stipa>
when using windows for some time linux looks like perfection and all that
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Like what?
<stipa>
braging how they're better
<stipa>
but that is just not true
<stipa>
i would dare to say that linux is even shitier than win
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<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Well, they are better in most regards.
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Now you are picking a fight 😂
<stipa>
i'm not
<stipa>
that are facts
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Go on..
<stipa>
nothing to fight about
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> State your facts
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<stipa>
my facts are enough for me
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Linux is not absolute perfect thing but at this time it's the best you can get in term of software.
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<stipa>
it needs more devs
<stipa>
at leas driver coders
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Oh, you mean driver coders for ARM architecture?
<stipa>
for everything
<stipa>
there's still bunch of haardware that doesn't work
<stipa>
there's bunch of python coders leaving schools, not so much driver ones
<nekomancer[m]>
stipa: coders not hackers. they can't do a reverse engineering
<stipa>
yeah, student leaving schools cant do reverse engineering
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Well, it's really not a driver coder fault. We can't magically write a driver without any documentation on underlying hardware.
<stipa>
if there is driver for win or other it could be reverse engineered like many are
<stipa>
professors at unis are to stupid for that
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> I dare you to try reverse engineer one. It's a brutal task and we have a life. 😜
<stipa>
so they can't transfer that knowledge to students
<stipa>
is that fact good enough?
<stipa>
lazy driver coders
<stipa>
more like driver coders
<stipa>
hundred crunching a driver
<stipa>
not one
<stipa>
it could be reverse engineered in a month
<stipa>
not like one guy doing it for it's lifetime for free
<stipa>
and everyone verbally molesting him on the way
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> What you just said as fact is not really a fact. Reverse engineering is not a knowledge that fits for all types of reverse engineering tasks. There is no formal method of doing it. You go along where the findings lead you. This not something you can teach your students and expect them to reverse engineer anything with ease.
<stipa>
a class about reverse engineering would be enough
<stipa>
and not retarded professors teaching math they know nothing about practically
<stipa>
"i'll teach you something i memorized and have no clue what it's for today"
<stipa>
"so that you could do the same"
<kprasadvnsi>
stipa you should really try your hand on reverse engineering.
<kprasadvnsi>
* stipa you should really try your hand in reverse engineering.
<stipa>
maybe i should show you what i'm doing temporary
<kprasadvnsi>
stipa try reverse engineer a PowerVR GPU binary. You will do everybody a huge favor.
<stipa>
i don't consider it as a challenge
<stipa>
if i'll feel a need for it i'll do it
<stipa>
it's not a competition thing
<stipa>
my plans for the future isn't driver reverse engineering
<stipa>
but i'm there abouts
<stipa>
i have few hobbies
<stipa>
if i were into computers all the way maybe i would do that
<stipa>
jack of many trades master of none
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