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<stipa>
NeonFetch is that s3tc compression working in background all the time or what, is it only active when using opengl ?
<Guest6>
Hiya, is it possible to write armbian straight to eMMC using an USB->eMMC module, or do I HAVE to use USB/SD boot/install?
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<stipa>
Guest6 i guess it depends
<stipa>
some baords boot from SD first and then point to eemc
<stipa>
maybe some go directl to emmc
<stipa>
depends on the board, which do you have?
<Guest6>
Ah I see, that makes sense I guess :) I'll be using a Rock64 (yeah I know about support, but hoping to use it for CLI only, so praying it';ll work well enough for that
<Guest6>
planning to use it*
<stipa>
having a usb emmc thingy is not so bad
<stipa>
it'll come in handy
<Guest6>
yeah, was hoping to avoid needing serial coms at any point ^^
<stipa>
those are handy for debugging
<stipa>
and cheap, like sub 2$ a pop, usb to serial
<Guest6>
in case someone else asks: yes it is possible with Rock64, the wiki page explains how to do it (note to self: read better)
<stipa>
yeah, there's some useful info on the forum and in documents
<Guest6>
and yeah I have usb2serial lying around ... somewhere... ;)
<stipa>
i guess that board will be supported, interest is big
<stipa>
i honestly don't know why it isn't , maybe because chips are changing
<stipa>
dunno
<stipa>
but you can always build your own image and tune it
<Guest6>
it isnt supported because (from what I understood) the hardware design is flawed and there are many issues with it failing certain tasks, but i dont know anyof the specifics though
<steev>
pine64 devices, odroid devices
<stipa>
buZz: more like microSD -> eMMC
<stipa>
or maybe even both ways
<buZz>
yeah read&write
<buZz>
you put a eMMC module on it, and the pcb is a microSD on one side
<stipa>
yeah
<[TheBug]>
stipa: Rock64 isn't supported because there is now quality in the product and because of thise many different versions, v1, v2, v3, v4 all with differeing stability and such
<[TheBug]>
as such we got tierd of guessing if things would work or not on a per board basis
<[TheBug]>
so it went CSC
<[TheBug]>
s/now/no
<ArmbianHelper>
[TheBug] meant to say: stipa: Rock64 isn't supported because there is no quality in the product and because of thise many different versions, v1, v2, v3, v4 all with differeing stability and such
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<stipa>
Guest6: ^
<filo>
hello
<stipa>
hi
<Guest6>
Yep, I got that part, still appreciate being able to ask some general stupid questions though ^^
<[TheBug]>
Guest6: still happy to help how we can here, just it isn't officially supported which means community support -- as in we will give best effort and then we encourage issues to be documented to forum so everyone can help
<Guest6>
oh yeah, ive noticed that (asked a few questions here before already), but yeah, I know not to trouble you guys with random crashes and whatnot ;)
<Guest6>
'please fix my faulty hardware for me' :D
<stipa>
i complain all the time
<stipa>
maybe no when sleeping
<stipa>
it got under my skin
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> "please provide your support contract number" 🙂
<stipa>
wow a support contract, who has those?
<stipa>
maybe if products were functional there wouldn't be a need for that
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> then a bill number, a proof of software purchase 😉
<stipa>
yeah, i bet you memorized those
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<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> well, you have to remind "customer" on the facts
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> so he doesn't waste time for bullshitting
<stipa>
yeah, even if the customer is real it could leave
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> until dealing with this customer is 100% our cost?
<stipa>
dunno, i guess eating shit is good for busniess
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> not, but if customer thinks he can stop and eat as much as he can ... ?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> without paying
<stipa>
that's called charity
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> that is the case here. think about. have to run to catch the post office
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> well, charity has its limits
<Guest6>
oh I wasn't aware I needed to pay for information, feel free to charge me on my ''support contract number" :D
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> no, pay for the time you wastre
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> informations are free
<Guest6>
:P
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> just providing them costs us insane a lot. just answering shit on email costs (would cost) 4-5 h every day. Dear "customer"
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> ofc this is not done
<Guest6>
or one tactically formed out-of-office reply ;)
<Guest6>
'dear customer, eat your own sh1t, goodbye'
<Guest6>
'if there are any questions, you may direct them to the nearest brick wall'
<stipa>
that's armbian desktop support
<stipa>
the best so far
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> grumble
<stipa>
yeah, but, there really is no point having 30 images for a board because manufacturers are pricks
<stipa>
and change chips all the time
<stipa>
that's alot of work
<stipa>
in their best interest is to sell as much boards as they can without thinking how software will solve that greed
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> well I spent all morning on the t4 and cinnamon throwing everything I could at it
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> it never crashed everything worked no networkign issues
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> no video lag
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> plug ins all work and themes work
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> if I pounded any harder it would kill the board itself
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> it runs great on emmc/nvme
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> I think the biggest drawback to all these boards is the ones that run on sd
<stipa>
man, mine boots into DE for 5 seconds from the SD
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> yes but sd are inheirntly slower
<stipa>
sd is theoretically like bad hard disk
<stipa>
some even better
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> emmc/nvme = had drive
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> sd floppy
<stipa>
that's true, but sd is still usable
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> yes
<[TheBug]>
only if your using shit sdcard
<[TheBug]>
now a days you can get A10 v3 cards I think
<[TheBug]>
great random IO
<[TheBug]>
usually pretty reliable
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> sd cards its a matter of the one you get and how well they stand behind it
<[TheBug]>
for pretty reasonable cost
<[TheBug]>
emmc is just a fancy sdcard in reality
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> I want a dna hard drive
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> the issue is also the more you in and out a sd card the sockets can break
<archetyp>
--Hier bei mir befindet sich /boot auf SD und root auf einer USB-SSD.
<ArmbianHelper>
Here with me is / boot on SD and root on a USB SSD. [de~>eng]
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> for mee emmc /boot /root=nvme
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> I just wish more boards had emmc and 32 to 64 to start
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> 8 is to small and 16 good for os and /home on usb
<archetyp>
--Komplett von USB-SSD zu booten ist mit dem Rock Pi wohl (noch) nicht möglich?
<ArmbianHelper>
Booting completely from a USB SSD is probably not (yet) possible with the Rock Pi? [de~>eng]
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> but depending on the apps and space used by os 32 would be better
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> Guest6: you are not our customer
<Guest6>
whehehe, I know, but I felt like playing along ;)
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> likewise
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> then we have the Igor factor...
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> lol
<Guest6>
alright, got armbian working on Rock64 without using SD card/USB for install, though I didn't get the latesst release running (didnt boot), but legacy does work out-of-the-box
<Guest6>
I am aware of some issues with the 5.X kernel, so that is the likely cause of the boot failure I think, will investigate that later on
<stipa>
yeah, there are kernel regressions happening all the time
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> its not regression. bug answered what is the exact problem
<archetyp>
--Ich empfehle bei Rockchip dringend Armbian Buster Legacy mit Enlightenment.
<ArmbianHelper>
At Rockchip, I highly recommend Armbian Buster Legacy with Enlightenment. [de~>eng]
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> the device tree are not the same
<stipa>
IgorPec i mean overall
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> there is 1 thing
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> yes, overall this is true, ofc
<stipa>
i know it's hardware with rock64
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> mostlikly the rock64 needs updated devicetree work to get things better off
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> richneese: nope. it has to be trahsed
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> and most boards need devicetree work on newer kernels because things change
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> ok
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> rock64 is that bad off
<stipa>
that board need some love and that's all
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> that board received way too much love
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> way to omuch
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> how is xfce on the n2/n2+ ?
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> is it working better
<Guest6>
I think it'll do fine for some samba service along with small footprint webservices
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> most expensive part is getting bulletprof stability
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<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> which is nice to have for serving stuff
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> if you want to use it for something in real
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> not just "learning"
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<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> for desktop tasks, things are "stable" before
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> ok off to boot xfce on the t4 with sd to emmc adapter
<Guest6>
personal use projects mostly, I programmed my own Voice Assistant (like Alexa/Siri/etc), most of my home automation and media servers are controlled using it
<stipa>
RichNeese that should archtech know
<Guest6>
is it alright to share a github link of my project here?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> how you would feel your home assistant hangs every few weeks?
<Guest6>
i could live with that, this is just a client for the home assistant, server runs elsewhere
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<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> no, server
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> server for your home automation
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> i ran mine on Allwinner H5
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> lol i have to reboot my home heathcaere wekly
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> weekly with coffie and doughnuts
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> i don't touch mine. it just works
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<stipa>
Guest6: do you have any video promo of your voice command system?
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> is it stand alone or does it require internet and google for backside
<Guest6>
@stipa hmmm, not right now, but I can work on that later this evening
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<stipa>
cool, i like to watch cool tech videos on YT
<Guest6>
@RichNeese both, it is standalone for hotword recognition and command pattern detection, but actual voice synthesis and speech-to-text are handles by Google Cloud
<Guest6>
handled*
<Guest6>
the whole thing is very much WIP, so lots of planned options, which are in reach, but havent had time yet to complete, things like choosing different voice, changing languages, etc
<Guest6>
core functionality is 90% there though, some minor things to work out still
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> I do wish more boards used the emmc plug like the odroids have
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> it is one of the best upgrade routes out there other then nvme
<Guest6>
@IgorPec server runs on a raspberry pi3, which is debian OS along with node.js for the VA service, that one hasn't failed in the last 18months, since I started using it really
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<Guest6>
@RichNeese, not familiar with odroid plug, but I assume its same as Rock64? never worked with (seperate) eMMC chips before, but I like the ease of it so far
<Guest6>
got 32GB, because 16 seemed too small, and 64 is kinda overkill for my needs...
<Guest6>
I could probably manage with 8 though :D
<Guest6>
cheap as water so, im good with 32
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> guest6: on rock64 we can't provide that, which is another reason we don't want to deal with
<Guest6>
yeah, trust me I understand that, really, and I won't come asking for such support, just had some general questions about armbian along the way ;)
<Guest6>
do love the OS so far though, thank you very much for all the effort put into it! first time user, and I was impressed with the mandatory root password change on first boot along with new user creation... even thought of all the little things eh? :P
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> if you had a network attached it also set your timezone and language if you like
<stipa>
it's all right when it works
<ZTiK>
:thumbsup:
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> who? 🙂
<stipa>
armbian
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> ok now I am mad
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> keeping boards functional is extremly hard job
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> going back to desktop dev
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> bbiab
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> most of others just build and provide, no checking at all and no support
<stipa>
they would have to take care of that if there weren't armbian
<stipa>
costumers would rip them alive
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> this is open source
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> and if you don't pay anything for the software and support, there is no such relation
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> can you complain on debian?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> arch?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> ubuntu?
<stipa>
no
<stipa>
everyone should blame manufacturers but they dont
<stipa>
they can't blame Armbian beacause it's not the manufacturer
<stipa>
and manufacturers use that fact
<stipa>
and provide crappy products
<IgorPec>
so we try to distance from crappy products
<IgorPec>
that's all we can do. if we want to do what we do
<stipa>
yeah, but Armbian can't resist the hack
<stipa>
but no one is forcing you to support boards, that's cool thing about it
<IgorPec>
we can, but sometimes people doesn't want to hear the truth
<IgorPec>
force is used daily in this world. people try
<IgorPec>
all the time
<stipa>
it's called HOPE
<[TheBug]>
its just all about expectations, if you buy a banana you should expect an banana and not an lemon. But in the race to the bottom on costs it seems some manufatures end up with more lemons than bananas.
<IgorPec>
hope we will die from overwork?
<[TheBug]>
that is the description of the Rock64 issue
<IgorPec>
and hope we will waste last cent on supporting some cheap shit pcs of electronmic waste?
<IgorPec>
which is hw without software support
<IgorPec>
or with lousy one
<[TheBug]>
nah IJ don't think anyone expects that, as far as ZTiK over and over, he has no expectations
<[TheBug]>
just had some general questions
<[TheBug]>
which is fair
<[TheBug]>
best effort is fair, not like he came and placed gun to head ;p
<ZTiK>
dont shoot, hold fire please.... 'hold up white flag'
<[TheBug]>
haha that timing ZTiK :)
<ZTiK>
;)
<IgorPec>
yeah. i am also just ranting generally ;)
<stipa>
it feels good to rant
<[TheBug]>
get it all out IgorPec :)
<[TheBug]>
Let us know how you really feel, we are here for you :)