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<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Damn
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<kprasadvnsi[m]>
<stipa "One day it may be a begger on th"> I see your point. Wonder which country you live in.
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<stipa>
kprasadvnsi[m]: I'm from Canada
<stipa>
you?
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
<stipa "you?"> India
<stipa>
in India live good peple
<stipa>
people*
<stipa>
always so kind
<stipa>
also honest people
<stipa>
people full of moral values
<stipa>
not like here in Canada, moral = 0
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<kprasadvnsi[m]>
<stipa "people full of moral values"> Here a large portion of population is a moron
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<nekomancer[m]>
everywhere a large portion of population are a morons.
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<stipa>
kprasadvnsi[m]: nekomancer[m] i agree
<stipa>
someone has to be intelligent and smart like us to keep the balance...
<stipa>
and handsome
<nekomancer[m]>
cats!
<stipa>
cats?
<archetyp`>
--Delfine
<ArmbianHelper>
Dolphins [de~>eng]
<[TheBug]>
--große Penisenergie
<ArmbianHelper>
great penis energy [de~>eng]
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<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> full moon syndrome?:)
<stipa>
-- Smart wie Delfine mit großartiger Penisenergie.
<ArmbianHelper>
Smart like dolphins with great penis energy. [de~>eng]
<stipa>
yeah, i can totally imagine that
<Armbian-Discord>
<A13> What do I have to read here ?
<Armbian-Discord>
<A13> An den Deutschen der da schreibt, wo ist der sinn hinter diesem Sätzen? Mach doch dich und und deutsche nicht lächerlich.
<stipa>
-- An den Deutschen der da schreibt, wo ist der sinn hinter diesem Sätzen? Mach doch dich und und deutsche nicht lächerlich.
<ArmbianHelper>
To the German who writes, where is the meaning behind these sentences? Don't be ridiculous about yourself and Germans. [de~>eng]
<stipa>
-- A13 War das eine Drohung?
<ArmbianHelper>
A13 Was that a threat? [de~>eng]
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<Armbian-Discord>
<A13> No, But if you interpret it like that its your fault.
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<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> @A13 meet Stipa, Stipa is a crazy person.. Stipa meet A13, A13 is a german progressive electronics engineer
<stipa>
-- Nein gar nicht. Alles gut hier.
<ArmbianHelper>
No not at all. Everything perfect here. [de~>eng]
<stipa>
-- Schön, Sie zu treffen A13.
<ArmbianHelper>
Nice to meet you A13. [de~>eng]
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> stipe: dođi na žuju 😉
<Armbian-Discord>
<A13> First time someone got introduced to me as crazy person XD
<Armbian-Discord>
<A13> Thank you for the kind words @lanefu
<stipa>
-- Ich bin ein verrückter Mensch aus Kanada.
<ArmbianHelper>
I am a crazy person from Canada. [de~>eng]
<[TheBug]>
I was crazy once..
<Armbian-Discord>
<A13> So a Canadian who speaks German ?
<Armbian-Discord>
Command sent by lanefu
<Armbian-Discord>
...and lives in croatia
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> ich kann auch German sprechen
<Armbian-Discord>
<A13> Interessant
<[TheBug]>
I can speak preschool German lol
<[TheBug]>
I can say Hi and introduce my self
<[TheBug]>
about it
<[TheBug]>
;p
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> I owned a VW Karmann Ghia once
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> ich lieve german bratwurst 😉
<[TheBug]>
--Das ist gut!
<ArmbianHelper>
It's good! [de~>eng]
<Armbian-Discord>
<A13> hehe german food and cars XD
<Armbian-Discord>
<A13> I am thankfully not that stereotypical
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> haha
<stipa>
-- IgorPec: zubi su mi koro ispali od žuje
<ArmbianHelper>
IgorPec: My teeth almost fell out of the gums [hr~>eng]
<stipa>
-- IgorPec: zubi su mi skoro ispali od pive žuje
<ArmbianHelper>
IgorPec: My teeth almost fell out from the beer [hr~>eng]
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> -- stipa: ona možda karlovačko
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> or you mean by opening them 🙂
<stipa>
-- karlovačko je skoro kao zlatorog
<ArmbianHelper>
Karlovac is almost like a golden horn [hr~>eng]
<stipa>
-- gorko
<ArmbianHelper>
gorko [ru~>eng]
<stipa>
-- bitter
<ArmbianHelper>
bitter [en~>eng]
<stipa>
-- žuja je slatka
<ArmbianHelper>
chewing gum is sweet [hr~>eng]
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> what a translation LOL yeah, we have union for sweet
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> brb / must go / visits
<stipa>
yeah, epic translation
<stipa>
i had drunk so much beer named "žuja" that my teeth almost fell out
<stipa>
i was an alcoholic for around a decade
<stipa>
fun times
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> now you don't drink not a single beer?
<stipa>
no, i'm like living healty lifestyle
<stipa>
trying to heal the damage i've done living fast
<stipa>
nerves are still fucked up
<stipa>
it takes around two week for them to stabilize without crap like coffee and alcohol, sugars...
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<stipa>
like' if you have foggy mind it clears and one regain total focus of the mind
<stipa>
it's hard since everything from the shop is poisoned
<stipa>
food, drinks...
<stipa>
i could go about it for hours...
<Tables>
Please don't
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> one should be careful with alchocol and even more with well accepted sugar and coffe
<stipa>
yeah
<stipa>
if you're not into intellectual work then who gives a fuck what
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> most of people are nowadays
<stipa>
but for intellectual work focus is priority and healthy lifestyle is a must
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> abuse of sugar and coffe is most used to have that
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> some go further which is even more danmgerous
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> alchol don't help getting focus, contrary 😉
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> you spent 20 y seacking for ballmers peak, then 20 to get it back to normal 🙂
<stipa>
never heard of it
<stipa>
i heard for lsd micro dosing
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> lsd was more present before in 70"
<stipa>
like if you're not on lsd in silicon valley you suck
<stipa>
IgorPec there are some sub cultures abusing it nowadays and it's common in pop culture still
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Yeah I've heard of that. I think the cumulative storage of LSD in your system is the only big concern. There are some cases where people with long term nerve pain were "reset" after a massive dose as well. I'd probably avoid that anyway. 😆
<stipa>
yeah, it's common in low social classes but successful drug dealers are mostly in middle classes and their families are well respected by those who don't know what they actually do which helps them even more to hide
<Tables>
Does anyone know when the arm board supply chains are going to be fixed?
<stipa>
which creates corrupted cops and criminal overall in law systems
<stipa>
Tables: when the chip industry recovers
<stipa>
not so soon if you ask me
<stipa>
the worst is yet to come
<stipa>
better stock yourself with as much hardware as you can
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> must weather storm with as many 4 year old SoCs as possible
<stipa>
yeah
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I'm assuming another year minimum (I am dealing with this as well outside SBC's)
<nekomancer[m]>
tonymac32: assuming another year what?
<nekomancer[m]>
sure. it's nice to have highest prices to everything.
<nekomancer[m]>
remember previous HDD production shortage. prices goes down to pre-crysis values for 8-10 years.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Well at the moment everything is in critical shortage. Consumer electronics demand is going to plateau or possibly decline, and the fabs are working to increase capacity. That takes time. But not a decade.
<nekomancer[m]>
I hear container delivery asia-us costs rise 5 times.
<nekomancer[m]>
If I be a container shipper — I'd prefer to change nohing, lofe is beautiful!
<stipa>
hard to be believe that company like google would release that update to the public
<stipa>
there are some fanboys in the reddit thread
<stipa>
defending the catastrophic flaw, oh man
<stipa>
just be real
<f476>
read this news, in code miss one "&" symbol :D
<f476>
stipa o/
<stipa>
lol
<stipa>
lanefu posted the pic one link above before me
<stipa>
the reddit thread is 5 days old
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<[TheBug]>
lol
<[TheBug]>
my question is do they then recall all the devices or how do they get unbricked?
<[TheBug]>
thats one costly mistake
<Tables>
what got recalled?
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<stipa>
Tables: "bricked" means not so useful, it probably can't even boot
<stipa>
so it's not just an update that'll fix it when device can't boot and go to internet
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<Tables>
Right, which device
<Tables>
model
<stipa>
idk, some chrome thing
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<djmuted>
hello, what's the best cheap tv box/board supported by armbian that I can buy at the moment?
<stipa>
djmuted: none
<Tables>
lol facts
<stipa>
there are some boards
<Tables>
I had to settle for a Potato
<stipa>
but no tv boxes
<Tables>
There are some TV boxes on amazon but I don't know which are supported
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> there's a tvboxes "club" on forum
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> look on there
<djmuted>
ok so which board would be good value?
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> the actual armbianers don't support tvboxes
<djmuted>
i don't need graphics, just cpu power and ram
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> whats your use case?
<djmuted>
I want to run some scripts like homebridge
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> gotcha so you dont need much at all
<djmuted>
basically a 24/7 server that does not consume a lot of power
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> are you in north america?
<[TheBug]>
Buy an OranePi Plus 2E
<djmuted>
central europe
<[TheBug]>
H3 is stable with low power requirement get nice 4 core w/ wifi and 2Gb memory on that
<djmuted>
huh I could buy a raspberry pi 4 in the same price as OrangePi Plus 2E
<[TheBug]>
There is a lot of things that will be same price as RPi, you said you want something stable...
<[TheBug]>
well like all other hiarchys, stability will cost money
<[TheBug]>
none of those dirt cheap tv boxes gonna have stability
<[TheBug]>
they all use cheapr usually crap brand memory
<[TheBug]>
that can't clock up
<[TheBug]>
poor heat solutions if one at all
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> djmuted what's available to you in your price range
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> I think allwinner H6 boards are best bang for buck
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> but theres a lot out there
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> adn it depends on where you are
<djmuted>
I mean anything that is not more expensive than the pi 4, because I could just buy a rock solid pi 4 and be sure that everything will just work
<[TheBug]>
You could also just get a OrangePi PC if emmc not important and wiofi isn't important
<[TheBug]>
lol, "Rock Solid" Pi 4 isn't rock solid.. but I will say for most part it is 'stable'
<[TheBug]>
but I get your point none the less
<Tables>
If you need AES, don't get the Pi
<[TheBug]>
What features do you want?
<[TheBug]>
That is probably a better approach
<djmuted>
mostly nodejs, python, maybe some lightweight x11 apps but nothing too demanding
<djmuted>
wifi is not a must, i can use ethernet
<[TheBug]>
do you need USB? USB 2.0 or USB 3.0?
<djmuted>
I was tinkering with my old rk3066 board last week and it's 3.0.8 kernel is not suitable for anything nowadays so I will take anything that works at this point
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> and do you care about gigabit ethernet,
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> or is 100mbit fine
<djmuted>
usb 3.0 would be nice but its not a must
<[TheBug]>
do you want emmc storage on board or is sdcard fine?
<djmuted>
sd is fine
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> libre computer le potato?
<[TheBug]>
I am reminded of the one tv box I got with a plate of aluminum in the top with a cheap thermal pad to the SoC
<[TheBug]>
that they called a heatsink
<nekomancer[m]>
<djmuted "how is that possible that they w"> they dont. but if it just sleep or shows video — it's not so annoyable as hanged server.
<[TheBug]>
thats was infintely halarious
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> so wanna know something weird.. my rock64 hasnt. been randomly dying lately
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> kernel 3.0.y*
<[TheBug]>
yeah I was kinda suggesting if you pick the right combo it can be okay
<[TheBug]>
but if you plan to stay bleeding edge all the time
<[TheBug]>
you will have stability issues
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> grrr another lanecloud power outage
<[TheBug]>
I think I had found a kernel last time I had mine out that was semi-stables
<djmuted>
so basically, allwinner h6 boards might be a good pick?
<[TheBug]>
well I will continue to suggest H3
<[TheBug]>
cause if you want there is also H3droid
<[TheBug]>
and its cheap / stable on mainline
<djmuted>
i won't need android, ive got android tv built into my tv already
<[TheBug]>
and OrangePi in particular sources good parts
<[TheBug]>
lol he says without knowing really what H3Droid is
<[TheBug]>
but I appriciate that none the less
<[TheBug]>
lol H3droid is actually a custom image allows you to use android as windows manager and you can fully access underlying system for a lot of other stuff, not full linux but it's also more than Android ;)
* [TheBug]
looks to his right and counts 10 different H3 boards
<djmuted>
lol why do you need 10 H3 boards?
<[TheBug]>
ahaha, H3Droid... it is my project with some other devs ;)
<[TheBug]>
so I have dev tested on pretty much every H3 board..
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Ups went off like 20 seconds before i had cord ready
<[TheBug]>
Noooo
<[TheBug]>
:(
<[TheBug]>
lanefu: need to get you one of the Jackery batteries for emergencies
<[TheBug]>
so you can just plug it all in
<[TheBug]>
and then get the genset going
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Interesting jackery wil use shore power?
<[TheBug]>
?
<[TheBug]>
suppoedly you can even charge the untis with solar panels
<[TheBug]>
not cheap of course :Z
<[TheBug]>
but actually looked at having one here for around the same reason
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Yeah ive been looking into the stuff some
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> okay network up
<[TheBug]>
save having to start the gas geneorator if in some case our natural gas genset dies
<[TheBug]>
which happens occasionally during an outage because of gas supply
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> oh interesing
<[TheBug]>
I have like 3 layers here now, first for every 200-300 watt I have a 1500VA UPS, then whole house genset will kick in on natural gas if power fails with-in 8-10 seconds of failure
<[TheBug]>
then if that fails I have a gas generator I can start up out in the garage and plug up to the panel
<[TheBug]>
which leads into my room, the fridges / freezers, etc
<[TheBug]>
then I keep about 10 gallons of gasoline out in the shed
<[TheBug]>
well to feed the generators, but also, if everything fails I can bath my self in it and light a match cause I am sure by that point I will have already pulled out all my hair, LOL (j/k)
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> lol
<nekomancer[m]>
generator on "gas" — like air, or gas — as gasoline?
<nekomancer[m]>
gas like air — kind of propane-butane or metane
<nekomancer[m]>
?
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> gas == petrol
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> oh but bug has a natural gas like air generator
<nekomancer[m]>
gas stored under pressure? as an emergency device? don't he scare?
<stipa>
well, those do explode all over the place
<stipa>
you have to be lucky i guess
<stipa>
gas is cheaper
<stipa>
than the gasoline
<[TheBug]>
Yes the main generatore is Natural Gas or a version of propane that we actually have as a household utility here, it is to the premise in most housing developments here
<[TheBug]>
it is much cheaper than Gasoline
<[TheBug]>
a lot use it for water heaters and home heat as well
<[TheBug]>
which is what we do here
<[TheBug]>
so when looking at a generator it was a no brainer to get one that uses natural gas as we already were using it and it is much cheaper than supplying gasoline
<[TheBug]>
or petrol
* nekomancer[m]
nods
<[TheBug]>
those who don'e have it per se to their house as a utility who still wish to use it will buy tanks they store on premise and have them refilled regularly
<stipa>
yeah, i get it now, didn't know that genrators can be hooked on that household gas
<stipa>
that's new to me
<Tables>
I have an outdoor natural gas grill
<[TheBug]>
yeah actually I was suprised to find, for example, in Pakistan their power sucks and they will own generators and they will convert them from gasoline to propane for example
<nekomancer[m]>
in my place there a lot of gas heat, but near to no gas tanks. all use gas pipes.
<[TheBug]>
using natural gas for generators is much mor common than I even knew
<Tables>
Piped natural gas is cheaper than propane but the appliance costs are more.
<stipa>
cool stuff
<stipa>
an reasonably clean
<stipa>
very economical for backup power for sure
<stipa>
when quake was overhere everything died
<stipa>
even the telecom
<stipa>
water, gas
<stipa>
electricity
<stipa>
so better to have some batteries as well
<[TheBug]>
nekomancer[m]: also I was refereing to two different generators, the whole hose genrator I have is direct connected to natural gas, the back-up generator is standard generator I have it out in garage and it runs on petrol, maybe that helps clarify better
<[TheBug]>
s/hose/house
<ArmbianHelper>
[TheBug] meant to say: nekomancer[m]: also I was refereing to two different generators, the whole house genrator I have is direct connected to natural gas, the back-up generator is standard generator I have it out in garage and it runs on petrol, maybe that helps clarify better
<[TheBug]>
the whole house generator will come on automatically when it detects power failure
<[TheBug]>
but on some occasion for various reasons it will fail
<[TheBug]>
sometimes gas pressure is too low because neighbors do the same
<[TheBug]>
sometimes just some general failure that happens
<[TheBug]>
so I have a back-up
<nekomancer[m]>
good set. you need some armor to save it from the rats
<[TheBug]>
buty
<[TheBug]>
but those big Lithion-ion battery packs are comning down and price
<[TheBug]>
and look super convient
<[TheBug]>
especially if you get some solar charging kit
<[TheBug]>
investment into one of the larger units there could probably do about same for you as a whole house generator depending on your load
<[TheBug]>
and you can either recharge from power grid or get solar panels etc
<nekomancer[m]>
how long this toy will power freezer and light in house? I think not long.
<[TheBug]>
they give some numbers on that page
<[TheBug]>
but again will have to with with your load
<[TheBug]>
if your running a whole datacenter in your basement
<[TheBug]>
it may not last too long ;p
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<[TheBug]>
but if you only have short outages it could work well
<[TheBug]>
my thought is you could use it with a cheaper genset kinda like I am guesing Lanefu has
<[TheBug]>
you first plug in that
<[TheBug]>
then you start yout genset and charge that
<[TheBug]>
that was you get clean power as well
<stipa>
nekomancer[m]: people are getting 90% efficiency of solar system on whole house, mwans per year they only need to spend 10% of electricity from the grid and everything else is sloar, heating, electricity....
<[TheBug]>
gasoline gensets tend to have some variance in how clean the power is
<[TheBug]>
s/was/way
<ArmbianHelper>
[TheBug] meant to say: that way you get clean power as well
<[TheBug]>
like I wouldn't just connect a computer straight to a genset, I would for sure use a UPS to clean it and provide clean sine wave
<[TheBug]>
well not a 'server' at least
<[TheBug]>
you could use that battery system in the same way
<nekomancer[m]>
other meaning of a "clean energy"
<[TheBug]>
hehe
<stipa>
yeah, you for sure need batteries to fill the gap between power off and generator on
<[TheBug]>
it seems lanefu had that he was just 20 seconds too late getting genset started
<[TheBug]>
lol
<[TheBug]>
and UPS died
<stipa>
yeah, there's no theory generators can turn on that fast
<[TheBug]>
that sinking feeling
<stipa>
what about supercaps
<stipa>
is that used in backup power?
<stipa>
like to make secure transition to generator on
* nekomancer[m]
once pull a 3KVA UPS 50 m on horizontal and pull from 1 to 3 floor to power switch during outage — just to see that UPS can't start feeding power to out if no power on in.
<[TheBug]>
lol
<[TheBug]>
was it empty or overwhelmed
<nekomancer[m]>
no. it just can't start as source without power in. it only can support out if it start on network, perform test and so on, then in power off.
<[TheBug]>
lol
<[TheBug]>
crappy UPS
<nekomancer[m]>
it's not a rare for uses, as I know after that.
<[TheBug]>
usually the complaint is
<nekomancer[m]>
* it's not a rare for upses, as I know after that.
<[TheBug]>
UP flips over, runs, runs out of battery but once power comes back it won't click back on auto
<[TheBug]>
you have to go toggle
<[TheBug]>
but to say it won't provide power out without already having been on
<[TheBug]>
ewww
<[TheBug]>
althought
<stipa>
rofl
<[TheBug]>
entirely depends on how large the unit is and what the load is
<stipa>
damn, even that sux
<[TheBug]>
it may need to charge a capacitor
<[TheBug]>
that may be the problem
<nekomancer[m]>
some can. some can't. You newer know a priori.
<[TheBug]>
it can't handle switching t he load without the load capacitor being full
<[TheBug]>
but your talking a large UPS not some residentual unit
<[TheBug]>
I would think?
<[TheBug]>
sounds more like something you would have in a DC handling large amounts of load
<nekomancer[m]>
yes, it was "enterprise" stuff. ups for server room.
<[TheBug]>
okay makes sense
<[TheBug]>
yeah enterprise equip with high load must have full switching CAP to complete turning on
<nekomancer[m]>
later my work pc with monitor work on this ups more than a hour.
<nekomancer[m]>
that site has a diesel generator too. it need about a 1 minut to start and enter to work stable mode.
<nekomancer[m]>
20ft container size.
<nekomancer[m]>
start was very cool looking
<nekomancer[m]>
YOU FEEL A POWER!!!
<[TheBug]>
hehe
<[TheBug]>
yeah I think craziest system I saw
<[TheBug]>
was first ISP I worked at when I was 16 was a converted FBI Building from the 70s
<[TheBug]>
and they had a genset system that used lead acid batteries
<[TheBug]>
but not normal ones you see
<[TheBug]>
like stood 3ft tall by 2ft wide by 2ft
<[TheBug]>
and it took a whole HUGE warehouse room in the building
<nekomancer[m]>
cold war era
<[TheBug]>
building had 2 seperate power grid come into it
<Tables>
Are the Nvidia boards mainlined yet / armbian supported?
<[TheBug]>
but when it would switch building between one to other because of failure
<nekomancer[m]>
military first
<[TheBug]>
you would hear in whole building this loud siren, a hum, then what sounded like a concrete truck runnning into the building as it switched
<[TheBug]>
it was super loud
<[TheBug]>
there was no mistake when power changed
<[TheBug]>
but the genset ran in diesel and if things failed that shit was LOUD
<[TheBug]>
but the building only 1 time whole time I worked there ever lost power and it was from a failure in the system
<[TheBug]>
but had to have chnaged over at least 1-2 times a week
<[TheBug]>
Tables: I honestly don't know answer to that question