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<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Neko has this ability to make rk3399 devices stop powering
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> uhhh
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<[TheBug]> OMG who at Debian decided when you dist-upgrade to Debian 10 that it should randomly implement auto-suspend when console is idle for 20 minutes -- I can't grasp this idea -- I upgraded a server and I ended up with it randomly suspending the stupid thing
<[TheBug]> I thought the thing was crashing
<[TheBug]> what a huge waste of time
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> oh yikes
<[TheBug]> yeah like 2.5 hours of yikes
<[TheBug]> I even swapped kernel and recompiled shit
<[TheBug]> cause I thought it was crashing
<[TheBug]> instead it was auto-suspending its self
<[TheBug]> I swear I am bald after that
<[TheBug]> worst part is it wasn't logging anything
<[TheBug]> all said, I moved from Debian 7 to Debian 10 and Kernel 4.6.4 to Kernel 5.9 so I will call it a success
<[TheBug]> and I got my 2.5Gbit nic working
<[TheBug]> also got it switched to my new Samsung EVO 960 500GB
<[TheBug]> bbiab
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<HerculeP> here is [TheBug] report: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=896083 (Fedora affected too)
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<lanefu> HerculeP: interesting find.
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<lanefu> [TheBug]: was gnome installed on that box
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<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> good morning
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Morning
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* nekomancer[m] powered on Helios64. And know what? It is noisy if any load. and `htop` shows 48°C cpu temp full idle.
* nekomancer[m] damn, I have no place in flat for such noisy 24h device
<nekomancer[m]> big mistake
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> get a better fan
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> Nactua
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> they run quieter
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> and also use ssd less power run cooler
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> with ssd no real need for fans. except on thecpu
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> and power supply
<nekomancer[m]> no one hdd inside yet. just apt install — and cpu 80°C, and fans overwhelmed
<nekomancer[m]> maybe I miss fan airflow direction? I sen it flow out, as on PC... but mybe they should pull air in?
<nekomancer[m]> I see no such info in installation manual
<nekomancer[m]> temp can jump from 45 to 80 in <15 seconds. it's sooo strange for me.
<stipa> that could be a problem in uboot
<stipa> pwm of the fan set to max on
<stipa> try to set fan speed with some fan control software
<stipa> but that won't work with arm SBCs
<stipa> no driver support for that
<stipa> dunno, does it work for others? if it does then it's something wrong with the fan
<stipa> maybe
<stipa> try lm-sensors, maybe there's a support for your "fans" system
<stipa> nekomancer[m]:
<nekomancer[m]> fan management works.
<nekomancer[m]> it not loud on idle. but they spin fast and loud on any action. and now no one hdd and tasks there. it seems he will not stop it any workload will be added
<nekomancer[m]> silence — then say "poweroff" — and again "WAAAAAAAAAA". then silence.
<stipa> yeah, they don't gradually speed up and down
<stipa> maybe devs put it that way
<stipa> maybe the system is overheating
<nekomancer[m]> I need an inhabitat place for hosting it...
<nekomancer[m]> previously I note helios4 has 55+°C completely idle
<stipa> yeah, if it's like that then it's meant to be placed where there's no people around
<nekomancer[m]> why, why? is it ARM, really?
<stipa> i doubt no one would notice that and fixed it
<stipa> it's on purpose probably
<stipa> overheating
<stipa> fast cooling
<stipa> disks do heat a little and as i remember that case is of plastic and not metal
<stipa> so there's some heat
<stipa> just a bad design
<stipa> it could work cooler with SSD's i guess
<stipa> you could bring HDDs out of the case
<stipa> if replacing them with SSDs is not an option
<stipa> or you could hack it with software cooling
<stipa> to turn on only 50% when on 80C or something like that
<stipa> that's possible if lm-sensors detect your fan system
<stipa> i did that with my intel machine
<stipa> but you run a risk of melting the case
<stipa> but tbh, that's your best and cheapest option
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> get nactua fans they run quiter
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> swap hd to ssd
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> the ssd shoul dnot need much cooling
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<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> rich - did you test images from CI ? are they ok now?
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<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> they are working
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> all the changes are there
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> nice!
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> yes
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> so as it stands budgie needs a little work to find out what dconf is doing because it showd the changes in the /etc/dconf dir but budgie is not showing the changes other then the backgrounds
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> so I have to figure out whats broken
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> cinnamon has 1 break I am working on now that has to do with generating a xml file listing the backgrounds
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> once this is fixed the backgrounds list should show all the backgrounds
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> I am also splitting the blurred lightdm backgrounds into their own armbian-lightdm dir under /usr/share/backgrounds
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> so that its easier to follow them
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> all this clean up will fix issues
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> I am running a test build on the lanefu builder now to test all the changes
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<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> but I am also splitting them up in the git hub to track
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> splitting into own directories or?
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> backgrounds armbian would be for the desktop backgrounds
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> we are pulling wallpapers from one common folcer anbd plae them to desktop packages, right?
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> and armbian-lightdm is for the blurred images we use for the login screen
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> this makes it easier to track them
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yes
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> ok
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> also added a new icon for the armbian-config for the desktop
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i noticed that, yeah
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> good. just we have to restart armbian-config-desktop project 😉
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> yes it needs some major work next
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> 3 desktops will be enogh to start once i fix budgie
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> then I will look at the armbian-config
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> as I undertand that menu code
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> armbian-config will be done by someone else, just keep the desktop
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> maintaining desktops would idely be by more people
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> so if you start doing armbian-config ... which is for months of work, who will be doing thnigs around here?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> and also planning part is not completly done yet
<nekomancer[m]> <stipa "disks do heat a little and as i "> it's hard fat aluminium
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> understand
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> but i need to also look at debian I guess and fix xfce on it
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> that should be a fast fix
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> so we can get debian back
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> but we need to also fix cli on debian
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> i do believe
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> also a task to solve is - install desktop from CLI
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> why fixing CLI??
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> there is nothing wrong per see
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> does debian cli build work
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> as I have not seen any debian cli builds
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> only ubuntu
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> as that has been the current focus
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> ubuntu lts is more reliable, but fixing debian bugs is not our job
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> ubuntu does that
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> ok
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> debian is here for those that strictly prefer debian
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> ok
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> or to run OMV, which can only be running on Buster
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> I do agree ubuntu is better for cli/desktop overall for base use
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> for the desktop, i would also primarely focus on XFCE
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> as the packages are well maintained
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> xfce is cleaned up and working
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> have you looked aat it
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> you mean Debian?
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> on debian I would fix xfce
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i haven't tried Debian desktop for some time
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> i was just asking if you had seen the latest xfce build
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> ok
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> well I can fix the xfce on debian that wont be hard
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> nope, now i can test when i am back to office
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> ok
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> having xfce operation is good enough
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> others is optional
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> its working great and clean
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> but cinnamon kicks its butt
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> lol
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> i do wish they would fix alot of the xfce plugins
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> true, but both finds its users
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> i know
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> just teasing
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> I think they both work great now
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> just this 1 fix for cinnamon I hope makes it 100%
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> ok off to shower and a bbq
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> later
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> back tonight
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i also go to swim
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<stipa> nekomancer[m]: ok
<stipa> even better
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> family went north to the lake, Armbian day
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<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Good use of your extra time
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> haha
<TRS-80> reeeee
<nekomancer[m]> welcome back, TRS-80
<lanefu> lol
<lanefu> sorry for your tears
<TRS-80> lanefu: I guve up, PinePhone channels are dominated by Matrix as well
<TRS-80> get off my lawn, etc.
<TRS-80> s/guve/give/
<ArmbianHelper> TRS-80 meant to say: lanefu: I give up, PinePhone channels are dominated by Matrix as well
<TRS-80> ^ Werner keeping things in tip top shape I see :)
<lanefu> matrix is moar open
<lanefu> yeah Werner is a pro
<TRS-80> Matrix is Javashit
<TRS-80> amongst other issues, but I digress
<TRS-80> Damot, TRS-80 is already registered on OFTC! :/
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> ok, I tested the affected boards after bumping ATF to 2.5 (current upstream release). Looks good, asking Piter for a blessing. Will force-push if necessary
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
<lanefu> nice!
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> PBP, Tinkerboard 2, and Rock64 V3 all check out.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> will see later which boards play nice moving to the all-opensource all the time stack
<lanefu> woot
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> trs-80 can rest easy knowing no blobs live in his bootloader with RK3399
<TRS-80> Is this real life?! Don't play with my emotions Tonymac32! :)
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> It's real. But only on select boards at the moment
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> cant' play star citizen on it though. 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> on a more serious note, the bootloader in SPI on RockPi devices apparently explodes when confronted with mainline ATF. My personal opinion is "so what", but I'm being trained to be more sensitive. 😛
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> otherwise I can start working through the ones I have and moving them around
* TRS-80 tried firing up SC on this workstation
<TRS-80> it was a slide show
<TRS-80> once recently
<TRS-80> I'll check again in another 2 years or so
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I mean that's a game where 50 FPS is considered superhuman
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 25 seems reasonable
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> XD
<TRS-80> had to argue with them because they changed their policies in the meantime and wanted a whole bunch of personal info to "verify my account"
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> ugh
<TRS-80> I told them I don't remember what I told you 9 years ago when I backed this shit show
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
<lanefu> SC?
<TRS-80> eventually they let me in but I was already too disgusted by then
<TRS-80> Star Citizen
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Star Citizen
<lanefu> wtf is that
<TRS-80> so maybe in like 3 more years I take another look
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> every livestream I watch is a total shitshow.
<TRS-80> the largest croud funded <strike>game</strike>boondoggle of all time
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> They keep talking about Vulkan, but they are still wholly dependant on DX
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Someone keeps trying to talk me into a starter pack.
<TRS-80> Siege? lol
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> yep XD
<TRS-80> is he still smoking the hopium?
<TRS-80> XD
<TRS-80> hooked on, rather
<TRS-80> lanefu: See, Tony and I were gamer buddies long before we bumped into each other here (little known tid bit)
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> it looks so cool, but they are spending too much time on details like functional cofeemakers and not enough on not crashing
<lanefu> wow
<TRS-80> Tonymac32: Yeah, at some point I began to become convinced that maybe CR cannot focus enough to get it actually done and this is why publishing houses have producers and deadlines, etc...
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> yeah
<TRS-80> but I wish them all the luck in the world, it will be the coolest thing ever if they pull it off
<TRS-80> but luckily they only got me for like $30, I'm OK with that
<TRS-80> I don't need SC any longer, nor Librem 5, I have PinePhone, an actual product, in my hand nao :D
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> it actually works for you?
<TRS-80> No bee ess GNU/Linux on a phone that actually can make phone calls and sent texts
<TRS-80> yep
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I haven't followed it
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> cool
<TRS-80> pretty close to daily driver (for me anyway) actually
<TRS-80> even supports VoLTE, shockingly
<lanefu> wow
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> did they ever get the modem opened up or is it still a scary black box?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I mean, I'm not complaining either way since that's a tough nut to crack
<TRS-80> some guy got actual Linux kernel booting on the modem already, but long way to go still of course
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> right
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> they all run linux as it is, just secret CIA approved Linux. 😉
<[TheBug]> Look, TRS-80 is back...
<[TheBug]> where you been hiding
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Telling you would defeat the purpose, right?
<TRS-80> Well even my expectations are very realistic. Tech lady from Purism gave a really good talk few years ago at CCC going into detail about just what they are up against (entire industry set up around proprietary software, essentially) so I am not expecting (right now) a fully libre device. But we have to start somewhere. Even Librem 5 needs blobs, they are just isolated on their own chip from the
<TRS-80> main processor. PinePhone is not as strict, but are actually getting quite a lot of numbers of handsets out to people to tinker with...
<TRS-80> Hey [TheBug] ! :)
<TRS-80> slaving away on hamster wheel, no time for nothing :(
<TRS-80> but they pay me (pretty) good
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> ever since lockdown work turned into 10+ hours/day whenever I don't tell them where to shove it
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<TRS-80> lanefu: As rough as some things are, being able to apt install regular Debian packages always puts a smile on my face :)
<TRS-80> ... on a smart phone, I mean
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> As some here might attest, I've become a little too comfortable with telling people to shove it
<TRS-80> some people need to be told that
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I'm getting grouchier than an old man watching kids from his front porch. Not healthy
<lanefu> TRS-80: yeah dude i mean thats a dream long overdue
<TRS-80> Tony: I am thinking about making a work move myself, for a bigger slice of the pie and less work (hopefully)
<TRS-80> But yeah, consider your options man. My job is stressful as well. It's no good.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> They put me in charge of stuff, so instead of arguing with my lcoal team I'm arguing with people globally
<TRS-80> oh boy
<TRS-80> lol
<TRS-80> Well, they did put you in charge, so...
<lanefu> i didnt get that weird patch of white hair on my head until i went in to management
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I figured I was safe being a ginger, but no, apparently souls are not required for promotion
* TRS-80 already did the "boss / owner" thing in his /first/ 20 years of working ;)
<TRS-80> now I am just an employee ;)
<TRS-80> well perhaps soon independent contractor
<TRS-80> but you cannot pay me enough to be in charge of the muppets that pass for working people, especially nowadays
<lanefu> man i wish healthcare wasnt so cruel.. keeps me from flyin solo and following my dreams
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I haven't cleared 15 years yet, I honestly would love to freelance (like everyone else on the planet), but we can't get funding for this project as it is 😄
<TRS-80> there are ways, figure them out brother
<TRS-80> it is worth it
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> lanefu if they quit pumping money they print into it costs would go down
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 🙂
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I'll go sit in the corner...
<TRS-80> you are not wrong, one of many problems
<TRS-80> I gave up on "healthcare" altogether, but I realize most won'r consider that option
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Being "not wrong" is irrelevant in the public space I'm afraid
<lanefu> yeah that ship sailed
<TRS-80> ^ hear, hear
<TRS-80> I'll meet you in the hills, mate :)
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> haha no kidding.
<TRS-80> stash whatever you can and prepare for the inevitable collapse, we are living in the last days of Rome
* TRS-80 wasn't kidding
<TRS-80> :D
<nekomancer[m]> impossible to prepare
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> depends on the geography and end catastrophe
<TRS-80> nekomancer[m]: yes and no; by prepare I don't mean typical prepper shopping list I mean land, equipment, knowledge, and friends / family / community
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> if you live out in the middle of nowhere and are pretty much isolated anyway the only difference would be a medical emergency assuming you could have gotten to care anyway. I know of many such places
<nekomancer[m]> maybe, it's possible in US. but definitely not EU. Too much people.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> right
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Go to Siberia
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> dress warmly
* nekomancer[m] was in siberia 3 times. last at 11 years.
<TRS-80> nekomancer[m]: I think you are going to make it :)
<lanefu> lol
<lanefu> nice
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> If I was near Russia and there was anything to see I'd go out there
<nekomancer[m]> half of my grand* from the syberia
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> ahh ok
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> OK, back to Armbian hacking, my total lack of attention span is winning
<nekomancer[m]> it's not easy to live there. cold on winter, heat and forest in fore on summer, huge distances between habitated points.
<TRS-80> OK, sort of related: any ideas how to identify PinePhone? For purposes of scripts / dotfiles? I figure it's at least tangentially related to Armbian (and reason I actually got onto IRC today).
<TRS-80> nekomancer[m]: Yes that gets rid of those who are incapable of planning ahead. And nothing of value was lost.
<nekomancer[m]> "nothing to lost" is a key to syccess in brave new world
<nekomancer[m]> * "nothing to lost" is a key to success in brave new world
<lanefu> TRS-80: cat /etc/armbian-release
<TRS-80> lanefu: awesome, but sounds armbian specific
<TRS-80> maybe Mobian have similar
<lanefu> oh i thought u wanted armbian specific
<TRS-80> nah this for PinePhone
<TRS-80> but maybe some other detection method for SBC, so that may be helpful later, thanks
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> unfortunately I don't think so. I remember Adafruit wanted to use Armbian as their platform for Blinka because we neatly identify the boards
<TRS-80> I just spent some time in #linux, tried several things, but apparently there is no standard way in regular Linux (or even Debian)
<lanefu> what about device tree?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> ^ might work
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> look for the platform name
<TRS-80> ~ quote (off top of my head) from man lsb_release was ~ "platform detection is somewhat of a black art" XD
<TRS-80> dumb question, where is (uncompiled) device tree on installed OS?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> it isn't
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> well source package should have it I guess
<TRS-80> that's kind of what I thought
<TRS-80> But ideally doing detection on device at dotfile installation time. I guess I will just do some manual / menu option instead of being clever. But it would be nice to automate some things.
<lanefu> root@blipsqueak:/sys/firmware/devicetree/base# pwd
<lanefu> /sys/firmware/devicetree/base
<lanefu> root@blipsqueak:/sys/firmware/devicetree/base# cat model
<lanefu> Pine H64 model Broot@blipsqueak:/sys/firmware/devicetree/base#
<lanefu> everything's a file
<lanefu> :P
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> ja
<TRS-80> OK, I have bunch of folders in /sys/firmware/devicetree/base/ on PinePhone as well
* TRS-80 goes off exploring
<TRS-80> thanks guise
<lanefu> cya in a few months
<TRS-80> lol
<lanefu> lol
<TRS-80> I have like 2 hours to work on this
<TRS-80> but yeah, maybe so
<lanefu> git 'r....complete
<TRS-80> lanefu: here we are `cat /sys/firmware/devicetree/base/model` -> `Pine64 PinePhone (1.2)` Nice!
<lanefu> awesome!
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> nice
<TRS-80> Ok there isn't even devicetree on x86 looks like. Amirite?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I just enabled the GPU on Tinker 2. I was at 50% CPU usage with budgie desktop before 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I thought there should be trs-80, but I have no experience there
<TRS-80> No I think it's like ARM specific thing.
<TRS-80> where x86 has more "standardized" boot process, or somethign like that
<TRS-80> 'hardware / memory map, or whatever
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> ewwww
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> probes
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> lots of probes
<TRS-80> maybe, but then the cat was out of the bag on SBCs, no way that could continue, hence device trees
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> even xtensa has DTS
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> interesting. ok
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<lanefu> xtensa--lke esp?
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