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<stipa>
light speed
<nekomancer[m]>
200mb good speed for 1-2 human house. but can be not enough if more consumers.
<nekomancer[m]>
3 streaming TV and 2 men try to work remotely — 200mb will be not enough.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> why
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> I have 2 tv and 3 computers 2 tablets and a phone
<stipa>
200 mb could be fine for 20 people
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> on all the time
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> yes
<stipa>
maybe not for 4K streming
<nekomancer[m]>
could be fine for 100 people too — but not in all cases
<nekomancer[m]>
because of latency
<nekomancer[m]>
dsl asymmetric
<nekomancer[m]>
and upstream fast goes ad
<nekomancer[m]>
bad
<nekomancer[m]>
video conferecing, remote desktops, remote schoo;ing asks for uplink
<stipa>
zoom is like around 1Mbs
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> most i know are not doing remote desktop or high uplinks
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> they upload school work at night
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> and video conf is 2 to 3 times maybe in a day short 20/25 min calls
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> so I dont see people doing that high
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> and I know loads of developers
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> alot c companies did away with remote desktop because of the office bandwidth cost
<nekomancer[m]>
our country schoolers have 2-3-4 hours online, with video.
<stipa>
yeah, teachers do it all day
<stipa>
but zoom is very economical
<stipa>
i have no idea how they do it
<nekomancer[m]>
my boss set video meeting for 1.5 hour long 2 times a week — and it's without work meetings, it's just "status meetings"
<nekomancer[m]>
not all use zoom
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> not ere they do 2 hors total with online video
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> other then that they do audio and txt msgs
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> and they only do about 4 hour days now
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> then the rest is on them to complete task
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<nekomancer[m]>
the world is huge and full of variety
<lanefu>
yeah i mean you can do a lot with traffic shaping and QoS.. i used to have to run a call center voip over 3mbit of t1 circuits and be able to assure tgheir apps were responsive and that when i copied files to their network everything still worked
<stipa>
that stuff doesn't help with 4G because speeds change all the time, on something static it's a must
<stipa>
traffic shaping doesn't just save some money but makes system functional
<stipa>
as well
<lanefu>
yeah.. before i implemented it. their data entry web app was super slow
<stipa>
right, i come across somewhere that it's used by ISPs all over the place as well
<stipa>
[TheBug]: are you a mazda fanboy?
<lanefu>
pinebook pro battery life still rocks
<[TheBug]>
lol no, you guys just kept saying 'zoom' and reminded me of that comercial
<stipa>
oh
<lanefu>
[TheBug]: you running Xen on any SBCs?
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<[TheBug]>
hmm no
<[TheBug]>
is ther xen kernels for Arm
<[TheBug]>
if so I would try it :D
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<nekomancer[m]>
Why to run XEN in 2021?
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<tomreyn>
ask aws, they should know
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Yeah even aws has been using kvm for most of their instances now
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> I imagine firecracker was extra motivation
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<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> good morning
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> All Devs Please report to the meeting hall
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> I call the Armbian Slackers meeting to order
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> lol
<lanefu>
definietly gonan let rich run the next one
<ArmbianHelper>
AR-835 [Bug] "Amlogic GLX desktop fails" reported by Igor Pecovnik at 2021-07-05. Status: In Progress
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> The Amlogics apparently don't always have card0 as the video output. Without the "boot VGA" available x uses card0 by default
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> ok, if my fix is good enouh, merge it, otherwise merge changfed. i am unable to test 😉 obviously
<lanefu>
Not good enough :P
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> AR-820 what about this?
<ArmbianHelper>
AR-820 [Bug] "Broken Odroid C2 audio patch" reported by Lane Jennison at 2021-06-22. Status: To Do
<lanefu>
damn i keep on meeaning to check
<lanefu>
#action lanefu do your job on AR-820
<ArmbianHelper>
AR-820 [Bug] "Broken Odroid C2 audio patch" reported by Lane Jennison at 2021-06-22. Status: To Do
<lanefu>
oh.. and finally.. Khadas VIM3 support
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> this is completly missing out?
<lanefu>
once we merge rpardini's patch in theory we'll at least have WIP for vim3
<lanefu>
yes... needed mainline uboot first
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> ok, and also there are some bootloader magic troubles, ritght?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> i couldn't boot vim1 i think
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I could, but I don't have the khadas firmware on mine
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> so if it is interfering I don't know the magic
<lanefu>
Firmware == SPI contents?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> that would explain. i do have their android on emmc
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> vim2 I have their firmware on and couldn't boot
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> eMMC contents
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> vim2 i could boot easily
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> with or wirthout their fimrware
<lanefu>
yeah i mean i thikn you just gotta wipe emmc
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> vim3 is not there, so ok with this i guess?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> we should anyway look on this supported / unsupported in general at the end of the meeting
<lanefu>
ohhh my bad
<lanefu>
htey were CSc
<lanefu>
until i added that khdas branch
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> i think i move them to conf in the working branch
<lanefu>
tokay they're already tehre
<lanefu>
that's how they are in master as of this release
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> yes, lets move on and look on support list later, perhaps there are other changes
<lanefu>
k
<lanefu>
last call for amlogic nonsense
<lanefu>
#topic rockchip
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> boot loader on rockchips
<lanefu>
is there ticket for that? what's issue
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> brb nurse here
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Rockchip (32-bit) is still on old u-boot
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Rockchip64 is on all the bootloaders. 😉
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> yesah
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> it needs serious attention and perhaps we are too late for this release
<lanefu>
any specific fixes that should be addressed
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> ATF needs bumped to latest, there are some bugfixes there too
<lanefu>
#action Make Rockchip Bootloaders priority for next release
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> i don't know specific
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> yes, that would be best, now we can't do much
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> That's why I question the Vim one, Rockchip64 got here via similar means 😉
<lanefu>
@TonyMac23 is updating ATF for rockchip a sane-ish thing to do for this release?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> pinebook pro what is the status ?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> troubles we had in previous release should be gone
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> ATF should be a very simple one, but I only have a few of the boards it's used on
<lanefu>
#action update ATF for Rockchip best-effort for this release
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I would like to update Tinker 2 and merge it as CSC
<lanefu>
yeah PBP seems okay.. don't recall any big complaints..... I need ot reimage mine
<lanefu>
Yeah.. i wanna get edgev networking solved
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> are we good to move to "supported"?
<lanefu>
#action merge Tinker 2 as CSC
<lanefu>
lets call edge V WIP until we feel different about it
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> pine book as suppoprted
<lanefu>
yeah... i guess so
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> ok, edge to vip
<lanefu>
it was a political tactic to get help
<lanefu>
on pro
<lanefu>
but yeah i'll move it to supported
<lanefu>
#action PBP supported
<lanefu>
#action Khadas Edge V flag as WIP
<lanefu>
anyting thign else rockchip?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> fe-som
<lanefu>
k what about it?
<lanefu>
and is there exsting jira issue?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> rneese: what is the pinebook pro status now? anything what doesn't work?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> wip still being worked on waiting for tony to have to=me
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> my pbp dies
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> ah, true, rip pbp
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> another general ? .. enabling 3D on all rockchip64 ?
<lanefu>
Igor lets do some sort of twitter post on the PBP.. saying we're seeing mainatiners.. adn that one of our Dev PBP's tied and hasnt gotten any help.... and do some tagging
<lanefu>
IgorPec I'd say enable 3d on all Rk3399... do we have sufficient test devices for the 3328?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> ok, let's do that prior changing to supported
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> waiting for tony to what?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> 3328 don't know
<lanefu>
lol
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> 3328 is Mali450, I haven't tested it yet
<lanefu>
k.. lets leave that alone and focus on what's good...
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> so completely different story thatn RK3399
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> also has a goofy HDMI setup
<lanefu>
#action enable glamour accel on RK3399
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> more is question - does it work if we enable 3d? performace will not be as good
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> on 3328
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I can toss that in the pile to test, I was trying to check it on GXL 😄
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> my guess is it will be a performance negative, but I haven't checked
<lanefu>
and okay yeah.. on X11 config? i'm confused about where we're trying to standardize config.... in some new boards folder? in the source's config file? in bsp?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> brb bandage change
<lanefu>
im gonna rip the x.org conf out of the pbp bsp
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> configs for desktop should go into desktop-bsp package, but all this wasn't tested properly yet
<lanefu>
that was an existing hang that I continued
<lanefu>
...but desktop-bsp has arch and device specific configurations?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> lets talk about this in the build section
<lanefu>
k
<lanefu>
#topic Marvell
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> decent comics
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> yeah
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> there is some small movement in the ebin, but i don't really pay attentionm
<lanefu>
#info I closed Pali's github issue on ebin ATF stuff. cuz i dont give a shit
<lanefu>
it's CSC someoen can submit the fixes
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> there is nobody to take care 😦
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> if pali showed up 2years ago, thing would be different
<lanefu>
my helios4 is still bullet proof
<lanefu>
yeah
<lanefu>
like i've got 3 ebins for a science project for some storage at some point.. i might pick up then
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> that armage is okish and i think there is not much to do there
<lanefu>
but just dont eevn wanna see the ticket
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> except keep it up with the kernel, heisath is maintaining that diff
<lanefu>
yeah
<lanefu>
doen with marvell?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> i guess yes
<lanefu>
okay
<lanefu>
#topic other SoCs?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> xu4
<lanefu>
seems to be okay lately i thikn?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> is working good enough, not sure if mainline kernel is also working well so we could ditch hardkernel kernel
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> we still use 5.4.y there ... some cleaning of lagaxy 4.14.y could be done
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> its pointless to have it
<lanefu>
meh.. save it for later
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> also we have to merge special rockchip statituion kernels
<lanefu>
#action no action on XU4
<lanefu>
okay yeah what's up with this station stuff
<lanefu>
why are htey special?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> because Oleg didn't want to push something not well tested into rockchip64
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> and i didn't have time to do that
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I have no idea what he actually pushed though
<lanefu>
yeah.. but what's unique about the station
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> It's the entire contents of his unified kernel
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> action item is cherry-picking patches and remove this kernel branch
<lanefu>
sounds liek testing and risk at this point
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> or revert and add patches to rockchip64, either way
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> i would do this after relese
<lanefu>
#action keep Station RK3399 branch out of v21.08
<ArmbianHelper>
AR-840 [Story] "Understand how deb packaging works and move to it (BSP)" reported by Lane Jennison at 2021-07-10. Status: To Do
<lanefu>
add subtasks and improve descriptions as we progress
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> understand how armbian packaging works 😉
<lanefu>
Tonymac32 those paylodsa can all be passed
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> debian packaging is a subsystem
<Armbian-Discord>
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<Armbian-Discord>
./compile.sh--> image --> with desktop ---> which desktop ---> which software in which desktop
<lanefu>
yes.. all those can be passed as params.. or userpathces. conf file
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> any idea how to change this?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> other than having prepared config?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> ok sorry have to leave have to go pick up dog from groomer
<lanefu>
BVUT ITS DESKTOP TIME
<lanefu>
:P
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> ok
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I dunno, it's getting incredibly convoluted to just build a quick image. I thought I'd mention it, I'm sure not going to try to change it so I don't get sent to the principal s office
<lanefu>
#action make tony some desktop config files
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> make this fast
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> also one idea which i had, somehow related, is to merge app group and have "small, mid, big"
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> desktop configs how
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> explain
<lanefu>
the package subgroups
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> predefined ones?
<lanefu>
ci thikn picking those drives tony crazy in a hurry
<lanefu>
i'ev soem some config files to that meks this easier
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> + custom where you can do as it is now?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Lanefu that isn't the point. I had to walk a few people through using this system recently, and it was a catastrophe. That's where the userpatches change sprouted from/etc
<lanefu>
got it
<lanefu>
oaky
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> ok
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> quickon working desktops
<lanefu>
I think I can help solve those pain paints with some alternate approaches
<lanefu>
we can talk about after meeting
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> ok hit me when I return
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> make an action item about this
<lanefu>
yeah i am
<lanefu>
drafting ticket
<lanefu>
#action improve UX of imaeg build process and the chain of menus
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> ok, anything else around desktops?
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<lanefu>
#action imrpvoe builer UX with some simplle fixes.. [AR-843]
<ArmbianHelper>
AR-843 [Story] "Armbian Builder menus are getting cumbersome -- improve UX" reported by Lane Jennison at 2021-07-10. Status: To Do
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Rneese was going to try 32 bit ones
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Since XU4 and RK3288 has equivalent GPU to 3399
<lanefu>
k..probably a bit late for bringin in 32bit.. but i know there's been a lot of work on that? so maybe its not hard?
<lanefu>
oh!
<lanefu>
wow really?
<Armbian-Discord>
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<Armbian-Discord>
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Yeah they're all Midgard
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<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> CI ?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Cricket noises
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<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> there are here 🙂
<lanefu>
shit sorry lol i got distracted by some client stuff for work
<lanefu>
#topic CI
<lanefu>
will CI be producing our release images?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> here we made lots of improvements, but there are some bugs to hunt down
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> we have 2 arm64 and 5 x86 runners but this would be good to expand a bit
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> just to have a backup
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<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> other things in short term .. dunno if anything is needed
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> for download infrastrucuture perhaps @lanefu is more up to date
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<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> in general it function well, also smaller expansion just to be on a safer side
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> #topic Infrastructure - planned/unplanned changes on forums
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> link those action items to our main docs
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<lanefu>
cool well that was fun despite just a few people and Tony having a headache
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Haha
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Also cooking lunch and tracking kittens
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> indeed. i am also just staring vacations and almost slept over. my wife turned down my alaram clock since she assumed its an error