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<nekomancer[m]> is it possible to set datetime format for message date on armbian forum?
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<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: hmmm did you find any thing for your user settings?
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: i just looked through configs n stuff
<lanefu> short answer: no
<lanefu> why are you using 5.12.15? 5.13.2 and 5.14-rc1 are out
<archetech> POC first upgrades second
<nekomancer[m]> <lanefu "nekomancer: hmmm did you find an"> nothing. but always still hope "there are one link I miss"
<lanefu> yeah i even looked at the localization settings and didnt see anything quick to do
<archetech> and armbian-config shows no other kernel options
<lanefu> wouldnt an upgrade be another POC?
<archetech> I suppose so
<lanefu> sharpen your armbian-config skills
<archetech> thats a point release upgrade
<archetech> wheres the 5.13 at
<lanefu> just make a config file for userpatches
<archetech> I did my part if a dev wants me to try a kernel make it apt or dpkg command
<archetech> be happt to test those
<archetech> y
<lanefu> -edge will get bumped to 5.13 for most after we ship v21.08 release
<lanefu> have to go through the whole patch wrangling process all over again
<archetech> yup life on the edge at armbian is like a turtle
<archetech> cant be in a hurry
<archetech> best thing is this dont have no crashing red stuff in the journal ;)
<archetech> so its solid
<archetech> for dev ubu thats pretty good
<archetech> get 5.13 mesa-git nad audio its a winner
<archetech> and*
<archetech> do-release upgrade reboot install xorg test it then install kde-full easy
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<archetech> footprint is only 5.4 GB
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<lanefu> sweet. script it
<archetech> that would be better than w/e rneese is doin
<archetech> then add script to armb-cfg
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> we have kde-plasma
<lanefu> dude rneese adds a fuck-ton of value to the project. You're a net negative
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> wich replaces kde
<lanefu> don't diss the epic amount of work he's done
<lanefu> that pisses me off beyond all comprehension
<lanefu> you can sit here and troll adn thats fine
<lanefu> but do not shit on people's work
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> no its not
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> its how people leave projects is when people start pissing on the hard work they put in
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> and what I have done is to make shure the installs work and all desktops have the same apps wich is what was wanted
<archetech> yikes so defensive over a an alternate idea and an opinion
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> if you dont like it go play on manjaro
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> no you dont get the build system and how it works
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<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> and all it is for the most part is ubuntu and the ubuntu pkgs anyway
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> if you would take the time and look
<lanefu> you are specifically shitting on people's work.. that's more than sharing an opinion
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> the only part that is diff is the fact I do dconf work to get terminator workign correctly and to add the skin to make it armbian
<lanefu> and yes i am defensive about it
<lanefu> it's not cool
<lanefu> its not okay
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> you need to sit down and learn the builder and what it does before running your mouth
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> we are not just debootstraping a generic ubuntu img
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> we are builing a img specific to arm boards
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> and manjaro will tell you the same thing
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> they are not just a generic archlinux
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> when you look at installing with meta files yes its nice but it loads up images to over 8 gig and we try to keep images under 8g to fit on ssd and have a small amount of storage to start
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> you then have the option to install to eec/nvme/sata for more space if your board supports it
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> you can then run the meta file and add all the extras you want
<archetech> I did what I said I'd do it bleeding edge ya dont have that that's a net positive no matter what you say in most peoples minds
<archetech> its what peeps want
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> the idea also makesit so people who are newbs to armbian have desktops to look at and choose and learn from with out having to fight leanring all the console stuff they are not use to
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> my goal is to have a selection of desktops like budgie with large icons and text and orca screen reader to help them
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> cinnamon gives a close to windows look and lets them have a desk top to learn from
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> deepin if they ever get it updated would give mac users a desktop thats close to what they know
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> xfce is for the old timers who know cde
<archetech> my comment was about KDE on armbian and how to get it with latest pkgs thats it I didnt say all your desktops just kde
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> I just started on kde
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> I have not had time to stream line it
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> but as kde-plasma is the default now
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> I went with the kde-plasma meta to get a start on it
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> I amso have fixed issues found today that fix the lightdm to load the desktop
<archetech> mie uses sddm not lightdm
<archetech> mine
<archetech> sddm is the proper pkg
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> but I am working on this desktop by desktop to get them inine so they work
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> sddm ?
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> propper pkg for what
<archetech> why is it proper one? because plasma devs make a specific pkg for ssdm for plasma X and wayland start choice
<archetech> it sets the environment which is critical
<archetech> has links to *.desktop files dbus etc
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> well then you need to bitch at ubuntu
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> as I am using thier pkgs
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> and thier install meta file
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> dont bitch here w dont maintain the pkgs
<archetech> i'm giving you an import tip how is that bitching
<archetech> important to use hwat the kde devs suggest
<archetech> what
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<steev> shame he won't just go his own way
* lanefu shrugs
<lanefu> sadly want peeps want is this https://armbian.lane-fu.com/linx/s/345e3d4a.png
<lanefu> pine64 stuff does well too
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<archetyp> --Tadej Pogačar ist wohl nicht mehr zu stoppen, es sei denn der Teufel will mal wieder unter Beweis stellen, dass er ein Eichhörnchen ist.
<ArmbianHelper> Tadej Pogačar can hardly be stopped, unless the devil wants to prove again that he is a squirrel. [de~>eng]
<archetyp> --Guten Morgen!
<ArmbianHelper> Good Morning! [de~>eng]
<archetyp> :-)
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<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> good morning
<Werner> Morning
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<lanefu> Morning!
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> Morning
<lanefu> Im glad we're all in agreement
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> 🙂
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<nekomancer[m]> > yup life on the edge at armbian is like a turtle
<nekomancer[m]> like a turtle? what does it mean?
<stipa> morning
<stipa> archetech should join the dev team
<stipa> he's a fine hacker
<stipa> nekomancer[m]: it means that they're not following kernel fast enough
<stipa> they lag behind
<stipa> but yeah, archetech for some reason isn't aware that there is shitload of boards
<stipa> if there was one like in case of RPI armbian wouldn't be a turtle for sure
<stipa> by the way i'm typing from kde-plasma on opi lite 2 with gig of ram and H6
<stipa> so cheers to r​neese for that
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Woohoo
<stipa> \o/
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> That's like pretty much the only apps i use too lol
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> stipa if you care to add info to the docs about setting resoulutioon ... even we ahve to make it somehow to the config
<stipa> it's in the forum
<stipa> some other guy figured it out
<stipa> it's a hack, resolution cant be changed in the DE later
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> added link https://www.armbian.com/orange-pi-lite-2/
<stipa> I​gorPec cool
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<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> I did push the update this am to fix kde and lightdm
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> I will look at sddm but as a default we use lightdm and slick-greeter
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> glad its working for you stipa
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<nekomancer[m]> sad helios64 can't be waked up via ethernet. Why it can be? I mean "why it need something so secret that can't be published by chip producers"?
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> yeah i mean its not ground-breaking technology
<Tables> Why would you want a NAS to sleep at all?
<Tables> Just toggle the HDD and CPU scaling parameters and call it a day
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<Armbian-Discord> <R​hino> Hd so 1990
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> In 1990 I still had a twin floppy drive machine
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