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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I would guess not
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> xtensa cores are used by Espressif, but not with enough stuff around them to do the linux thing
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<lanefu>
xtensa cores sounds like something ron jeremy would sell on late night tv
<stipa>
yeah, but that stuff is like taking over iot market
<stipa>
with wifi capable chips
<lanefu>
yeah esp32 is pretty awesome platform
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> yeah the esp32 , ESP32 S2, and ESP32 S3
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> the S3 might be linux-capable is someone is dedicated and bored
<TRS-80>
lanefu: lol @ Ron Jeremy
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<hyphop>
hi
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Hi hyphop
<hyphop>
hi again ! welcome for any help with khadas amlogic VIM1 VIM2 VIM3 VIM3L and rk3399 Edge
<f476>
hyphop o/
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> hyphop I did have a question about the pre-installed firmware and bootable SD cards. Is there a specific format required for those? I'm having a hard time getting the Vim2 to boot, I don't want to wipe the eMMC if I don't have to
<hyphop>
just write any uboot to sd card and KEY_F x 3times
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<hyphop>
KEY_F x 3times == force start from SD card (works for VIM1 VIM2 )
<hyphop>
KEY_F is middle keys between KEY_RESET and KEY_POWER
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> hmmmm ok. I'll double check our image making process then, the docs say it should be the same for GXL and GXM (other than their own blobs), but GXM isn't working
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> archetech is that armbian base ?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> how did you build it
<archetech>
by hand from source one pkg at a time
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> ok I will post the work I have done for kde-plasma for out csc builds
<archetech>
so no its def not armbian
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> in a bit that you can review
<archetech>
or any other distro
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> I have just been focused on the budgie/cinnamon/xfce as out base 3
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> and we will add others as csc builds
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> so I have not played with wayland any yet
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<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> so help with it would be nice
<archetech>
ill waylandize yours when its a finished kde img
<archetech>
ill pop mesa-git and a ubu kernel on it :)
<archetech>
all it takes
<TRS-80>
lanefu: Is there some reason we use https for repo mirrors? I think using regular http would get rid of a lot of these caching issues, in fact to my understanding that's why upstream use regular http. The packages are verified by apt itself, thus nu need httpS for security reasons.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> well at the min i am dedicated to the desktops on armbian and getting things fixed as we use the ubuntu as the base
<archetech>
right it something to do as a break maybe
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> yeah
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> you can also build linux with yocto if you want to make life harder that's it needed 😉
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> Yacto
<Armbian-Discord>
<rneese> lol
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> its the same princpile as LFS
<archetech>
once ya have a base blfs build you can use that for as many DE's as ya want
<archetech>
tar xvpf blfs-base.tar.xz and go
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> distro hoppers will be happy 😉
<archetech>
about 2-5% of armbian users could or would even attepmt the book
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> and what is the diff between arch, gentoo, yocto, lfs?
<archetech>
plenty of posts on the net about that
<archetech>
mainly you are the packager not a distro like arch gentoo
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> what is your perspective
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> yo more like a yoct
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> so no package management at all?
<archetech>
I like having control over my OS I like lean and nobody elses ideas interfering in my choices of pkgs and how they are compiled option wise
<archetech>
pkg mgmt is for large groups of users I keep all pkgs in a database called /sources ;)
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> total control is expensive and hard to maintian. nice in theory, reallity is something else
<archetech>
right it makes sense for a single person with a fixed set of hardware
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> yocto / buildroot works this way
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> but in relaity having control is not possible
<archetech>
for me its 4-5 x86_64 and 2 arm systems
<archetech>
easy to manage and build once ya get the hang of it
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> from a one person perspective you can't see that
<archetech>
yocto is for dev testing I have an eqiv tool for that
<archetech>
fully auto script
<archetech>
pops out an lfs in 2 hrs
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> no, yocto is a tool to build custom linux from sources
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> and a lot more
<archetech>
ya thats what devs do igor
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> just like LFS, but used industry so its a bit different approach
<archetech>
and distro packagers
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> distro packagers doesn't necesarelly build from sources, most don't
<archetech>
huh? go look at an arch pkgbuild
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> and with yocto you build a custom application around / based on Linux
<archetech>
source line is right in there
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> debian as well
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> but we and many others just pick binary packages as good enough
<archetech>
diff goal binary vs source
<archetech>
souce I do the configs binary some pkger does it
<archetech>
granted the bid distro pkg'ers do a good job
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> why do you need to alter configs for VI editor for example?
<archetech>
big
<archetech>
well something like qt5 has lots of stuff ya can leave out or put in etc
<archetech>
mesa xorg
<archetech>
lots of flex whe ya do it urself
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> configuring everything for one persons use is insane a lot of overhead.
<archetech>
and soon as wayland is wanted in the finished DE then ya relly need config control
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> most people only wants a system that runs stable and doesn't break on update
<archetech>
like cairo ibus etc needs --enable-wayland
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> even we have to truse someone to tweak this and that subsystem properly
<archetech>
often left off in distros
<archetech>
lfs would be no help to armbian im talking for a guy who wants a finished custom build or 3
<archetech>
rneese would like it if he can handle the detail and some tedium
<archetech>
like a armbian prototype build ya might say heres what I want in it nothing else
<archetech>
then he reproduces the pkg list on armbian
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> we have little know-how on desktops, but have improved
<archetech>
because anybody can build a base with binaries add samba nfs its a server add LAMP its a web server etc
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> not that simple
<archetech>
sure it is turnkey linux been doin that for ever
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> linux from your eyes loooks very different than from those that start with linux 10 years ago. mayority
<archetech>
maybe
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> but i agree its simle. if hw works
<TRS-80>
I wish I had more time. Can I just throw money at you instead? Her is $5. XD
<lanefu>
nono its been on backlog
<lanefu>
no throw money at someone else lol
<archetyp>
I noticed that the playback of videos with mpv-legacy and Gst-Player usually stalls for a fraction of a second after about two minutes.
<lanefu>
i just need time or performance enhancing drugs
<archetyp>
The phenomenon repeats itself under XFCE, but it does not occur under bare OpenBox.
<archetyp>
Kodi GBM works fine.
<archetyp>
Does anyone here speak German?
<archetyp>
I use a Rock Pi 4 B.
<TRS-80>
archetyp: Have you checked forums or are you that bad in English? There is a lot of info about multimedia scripts, etc. but I personally do not know much about it.
<TRS-80>
also desktop stuff is very WIP currently (your clue about XFCE)
<archetyp>
Bad English, but enough to read and understand the documentation.
<stipa>
archetyp: video acceleration is fucky
<stipa>
what is your soc?
<archetyp>
Rock Pi 4 B
<TRS-80>
speaking very boradly, many SBC are very stable for "server" type usage, video is an entirely different matter (due to blobs and other such BS) and even after years is still sort of "early days" but after years it is actually "getting there" finally
<TRS-80>
s/boradly/broadly/
<ArmbianHelper>
TRS-80 meant to say: speaking very broadly, many SBC are very stable for "server" type usage, video is an entirely different matter (due to blobs and other such BS) and even after years is still sort of "early days" but after years it is actually "getting there" finally
<TRS-80>
archetyp: ^
<lanefu>
--donde esta mi pantalones
<ArmbianHelper>
where is my pants [es~>eng]
<archetyp>
Video acceleration is obviously there, but something seems to be intermittently interfering with playback.
<lanefu>
archetype feel free to ask question in german by just prefixing with --
<lanefu>
--da pork un beans mits sour krouten
<ArmbianHelper>
da pork un beans provided sour krouten [nl~>eng]
<stipa>
lanefu: and rneese have RK3399 chips
<archetyp>
On moment please.
<lanefu>
stipa yeah but i dont physically touch my SBCs im above it
<TRS-80>
lanefu: lol
<TRS-80>
also, I totally forgot about translation thing, derp!
<archetyp>
--Mir ist aufgefallen, dass die Wiedergabe von Videos mit mpv-legacy und Gst-Player in der Regel nach etwa zwei Minuten für den Bruchteil einer Sekunde stockt.
<ArmbianHelper>
I noticed that the playback of videos with mpv-legacy and Gst-Player usually stops after about two minutes for a fraction of a second. [de~>eng]
<archetyp>
Oh! :))
<TRS-80>
nice, huh? :)
<archetyp>
Yes
<archetyp>
--The phenomenon repeats itself under XFCE, but it does not occur under bare OpenBox.
<ArmbianHelper>
The phenomenon repeats itself under XFCE, but it does not occur under bare OpenBox. [en~>eng]
<archetyp>
Ups
<TRS-80>
But problem is not understanding you, problem is only few people (in general, much less in here) know deeply the internals of video stuff to answer your question in any meaningful way.
<TRS-80>
by "in here" I mean paying attention to this IRC right this moment
<TRS-80>
so it's really not a brush off when I say the forums are probably your best bet
<archetyp>
--Ok, dann versuche ich es später im Forum.
<ArmbianHelper>
Ok, I'll try it later in the forum. [de~>eng]
<stipa>
my last three posts on the forum all ended as [invalid]
<TRS-80>
stipa: The solution is to help out in moderation and give Werner a break. ;)
<TRS-80>
s/in/with/
<ArmbianHelper>
TRS-80 meant to say: stipa: The solution is to help out with moderation and give Werner a break. ;)
<stipa>
it left a bitter taste
<TRS-80>
I know. But I don't judge too harshly, they are dealing with fire hose every day.
<stipa>
not for long i guess
<TRS-80>
fire hose / deluge of questions / issues, it never ends
<archetech>
how do I limit the expansion on first boot of fresh image?
<TRS-80>
I help out when I can, which is not often enough
<stipa>
well, judging by the amount of documentation you have realized there is a huge chunk of Armbian information in you
<TRS-80>
If you mean commits on GitHub, no not at all, rather I just refactord / cleaned up a lot of stuff, which looks like a lot of lines, and that is in documentation only
<stipa>
yeah, i meant on documentation
<TRS-80>
for example I went through fixing broken links, tedious and shows as many lines of changes, but something anyone can do who has attention to details, no particular knowledge required
<TRS-80>
I was working off output from some automated tool
<archetech>
its on the hdd now just dont want to have to resize after booting ya know
<archetech>
ok thks I see it Werner
<archetech>
configure the resize operation by either a percentage or a sector count using /root/.rootfs_resize (50% will use only half of the card’s size if the image size doesn’t exceed this
<archetech>
so I make this file and put what in it? 10% ?