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<stipa>
ROCK 3A seems fine
<stipa>
hope everything will work
<stipa>
too bad there's no mounting holes for a cpu fan
<stipa>
heatsink*
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> man too bad orange pi zero is like forever the most popular sbc download
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> That's the Toms hardware image from their hilariously terribly executed "review"
<Tables>
Is there a way to turn off different parts of the SoC to lower heat, i/o, or CPU usage?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> You can always clock it down
<Tables>
Oh wow that heatsink looks like a massive one from a server chipset
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> No fan means you have to increase surface area
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> <--- is engineer
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> see armbian-config -> system -cpu to adjust cpu frequency adn governor
<stipa>
Tables if the soc supports turning down some of it's systems why not, it should be in a datasheet of the soc
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> But to the point, if you're designing a board to put a big SoC on, it had better be able to run full out, or why waste the resources
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I'd like to see more pico-ITX
<Tables>
@stipa right, but i would expect that to be done in a UEFI of some sort?
<stipa>
Tables: that's like fancy features no one wants to invest free time in
<Tables>
I noticed all kinds of things nobody can use on most of these boards in most of these socs
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> No such thing on 95% of arm
<Tables>
Seems like a config system for things you can't use would be low hanging fruit but what do I know
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> This is a pico-ITX sized board, the NanoPC T4 is similar (not quite the same though)
<stipa>
Tonymac32 it's better to have even a shitty heatsink than none
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Tables see Arm System Ready and Arm Serverready certifications as an attempt ot get folks onboard
<Tables>
I wish the Rock Pi S was better supported, it seems dreamy for low power scenarios and hardware isolation.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Never have no heat sink, but please for the love of all that is good be able to accommodate a reasonable one
<stipa>
right
<stipa>
what ever that sgould be
<stipa>
should*
<Tables>
Everyone should invest in silicone adhesive :P
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I have one, but it came to me during some personal issues and however it got supported is a bit messy. I had to murder some of it's audio patches because they were breaking other things
<Tables>
Do people actually want to use it for the audio features?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I was guessing not so I didn't hesitate to hack out the offending changes
<Tables>
Eh maybe home automation or magic mirror type of things I could see. I wish they cut all that out tbh to lower the power usage, size, and BoM
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> However, I saw some patches going into mainline to better support it without half-ass hackery
<Tables>
It just seemed perfect for isolated services with failover
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Tables there are extensive how-to's on cutting power consumption on the Allwinner devices too. So the NanoPi Air, Neo, and the Core boards are similar size
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Too bad the H5 got waste-binned
<Tables>
Oh, I was under the impression the Allwinner devices used MORE power
<Tables>
Truth be told I haven't used any since the A10 / A20
<stipa>
it's ok
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Everything on I'm sure they do, but you can cut them down pretty seriously
<stipa>
just shitty software support
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> The H3?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Vs the RK3308m
<Tables>
What, just with modprobe blacklisting etc?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> That was more a TKaiser topic unfortunately. The forums/sunxi folks should have that detail
<Tables>
Ah kk
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Likely some device tree fun 😉
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I think the rockPi S will see improvements in 5.13/14 if I was reading patchwork correctly over lunch the other day. 😆
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> yeah he tuned the living shit out of htem
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> Thats an OPI 3, not 4
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
<Armbian-Discord "<NeonFetch> Thats an OPI 3, not"> The first one is op4 and second one is opi3
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> That cooler I got is tiny, I'm going to do a lot of random work with it I hope. I already have some improvements to it's design planned 🤣
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Looks like it's in the firmware, so maybe? Might be different per kernel
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> This looks promising. Now I have some hope for my TV Box🤣
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<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Although the wifi module in OPi zero2 is absolute cursed peace of crap.
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<stipa>
hipboi: right, it looks like there is no room
<stipa>
well, gluing a heatsink with some compound won't be a big problem i guess
<stipa>
it's just that [TheBug] had an expirience where he ripped RAM chip from the board because he glued heatsink on it and when he wanted to remove it he ripped the ram off
<stipa>
not nice, unrepearable
<stipa>
it wreaked chaos on BGA pads beneath
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<stipa>
there simply will be peeps that will experiment with heatsink sizes
<stipa>
there are those hooks mounts that go on the board that could be used instead of the holes, they take up less fottprint
<stipa>
buZz i have acceleration on opi lite 2 (H6) and librelec
<buZz>
nice
<archetyp>
--Ich nutze doch schon längst Armbian Buster mit rk3399-legacy-multimedia-framework und Enlightenment, alles funktioniert in dieser Kombination.
<ArmbianHelper>
I've been using Armbian Buster with rk3399-legacy-multimedia-framework and Enlightenment for a long time, everything works in this combination. [de~>eng]
<buZz>
H3 is also well supported
<buZz>
--Zwiebeln Tastatur Festplatte
<ArmbianHelper>
Onions keyboard hard drive [de~>eng]
<buZz>
--Schnapps Schnitstelle
<ArmbianHelper>
Schnapps interface [de~>eng]
<buZz>
--Doet het ook nederlands?
<ArmbianHelper>
Does it also do Dutch? [nl~>eng]
<buZz>
lol
<buZz>
--C'est magnifique
<ArmbianHelper>
That's wonderful [fr~>eng]
<archetyp>
rofl
<buZz>
now if only i can ignore lines starting with --
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> The hantro vpu driver is in staging in mainline. We have it in our builds as well, so like I said, someone needs a properly configured ffmpeg
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Buzz it doesn't do h.265 to my knowledge
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<archetyp>
--Auch bei der terrestrischen Verbreitung von Inhalten in HD (DVB-T2) in Deutschland kommt der Codec h.265 zum Einsatz und ich schaue hier TV in FullHD.
<ArmbianHelper>
The h.265 codec is also used for the terrestrial distribution of content in HD (DVB-T2) in Germany and I watch TV in FullHD here. [de~>eng]
<archetyp>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> What I need on OPi zero2 to support a desktop OS?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> RAM
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> 😉
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Should just be GPU driver and a more or less functional board
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> If the patchset didn't break the H2/3/A20 it would probably already have one
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> I haven plenty of RAM. 4GB should be enough.
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Can It use llvmpipe?
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<stipa>
kprasadvnsi just try the image out and see what doesn't work
<stipa>
if ram is an issue pump up the zram to get some extra fake ram
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<kprasadvnsi[m]>
<stipa "if ram is an issue pump up the z"> I dont think RAM is going to be an issue. 1GB is enough to bring up desktop OS
<stipa>
yeah, if you want to fire up firefox you'll need more than 1GB
<stipa>
even a terminal emulator like Terminator eats around 50 MB per instance
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
<stipa "yeah, if you want to fire up fir"> yup, That's the sad world we live in today. I miss those windows XP days when 256MB is plenty for most tasks.
<stipa>
yeah, but zram isn't a bad soultion
<stipa>
and it's fast
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
I have another 4GB box just in case
<archetyp>
--Pale Moon beansprucht deutlich weniger Speicher.
<ArmbianHelper>
Pale Moon takes up significantly less memory. [de~>eng]
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<nekomancer[m]>
<kprasadvnsi[m] "I dont think RAM is going to be "> until you need to open normal contemporary website.
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<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> I have two H616 boards one is OPi zero2 and another one is a TV box with 4GB RAM. So whatever image I make for zero2 should also work in that TV box.
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<stipa>
kprasadvnsi maybe replacing "should" with "could" would be more realistic
<stipa>
yeah, uhm, in either case arm desktop is becoming a reality
<stipa>
it took much longer that it should have taken
<stipa>
i would like to spin some contemporary DSP jobs on a ARM workstation without a fan
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
<stipa "kprasadvnsi maybe replacing "sh"> I know network stuff will not be compatible but other things are working across both boards.
<stipa>
kewl
<stipa>
kprasadvnsi which TV box has DE and video acceleration ?
<stipa>
sound
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Mainline u-boot and ATF is also working on both boards.
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<kprasadvnsi[m]>
<stipa "kprasadvnsi which TV box has DE "> I don't understand your question ?
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<kprasadvnsi[m]>
* I didn't understand your question ?
<stipa>
kprasadvnsi , is there any TV box which run Armbian Desktop that has video acceleration and sound working?
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
<stipa "kprasadvnsi , is there any TV bo"> AFAIK there is none. But it's the same situation with SBCs as well if you wanna use mainline kernel.
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<Xogium>
gotta love how replies get mangled over irc from matrix lol
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
I don't think there is enough interest in reverse engineer the video engine. SoCs are so messed up that we struggle over basic support. Video acceleration looks like a dream 🤣
<stipa>
kprasadvnsi , yeah, nothing makses any sense
<stipa>
RPI seems the most organized thing
<stipa>
and working one despite half of it beeing a blob
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
RPi is just for people who wanna run game emulators
<stipa>
everything else is risk because there's a bunch of lies regarding what works and not
<stipa>
you find out the real truth when you buy a board but it's too late then
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> just build OPi zero2 image and it stuck on "Starting kernel ..."
<archetyp>
--Rock Pi 4B funktioniert besser als RPi mit Armbian Buster und Enlightenment, es kommt auf das jeweilige SBC an.
<ArmbianHelper>
Rock Pi 4B works better than RPi with armbian buster and enlightenment, it depends on the respective SBC. [de~>eng]
<stipa>
archetyp someone should make a list
<stipa>
of boards that work and what doesn't work
<archetyp>
--Eine gute Idee.
<ArmbianHelper>
A good idea. [de~>eng]
<stipa>
i guess irc channel should be started that encompasses all boards
<Armbian-Discord>
<Krystian> hello, does the camera finally work on H5?
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<archetyp>
--Aber eine einzelne Person wird keine solche Liste erstellen können, wer es alleine versucht, der wird früher oder später verrückt.
<ArmbianHelper>
But a single person will not be able to make such a list, if you try it alone you will go crazy sooner or later. [de~>eng]
<stipa>
i'm already crazy
<stipa>
RK3399 soc seems fine
<archetyp>
--Ich glaube alle RKxxxx SBCs
<ArmbianHelper>
I believe all of the RKxxxx SBCs [de~>eng]
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> archetype they dont have it in the main ubuntu repose
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> on from phone
<archetyp>
--Genau deshalb nutze ich Armbian Buster mit E.
<ArmbianHelper>
This is exactly why I use Armbian Buster with E. [de~>eng]
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> debian seems not to have it main repos I see you can add a repo