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<donihalim> Wondering what else should/can i do on the n900...
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<sicelo> freemangordon: Wizzup: upower issue created, https://github.com/maemo-leste/bugtracker/issues/766
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<arno11> donihalim: depends of what you mean: testing/optimizing new functionalities or fixing existing issues :P
<arno11> (or porting new stuff ?)
<arno11> i mean, apart modern web, almost everything else already works but needs most of the time optimization
<arno11> (ah i forgot camera and bluetooth, which are the last not working things)
<sicelo> with the omap3isp patch, camera at least probes correctly now, and shows the required v4l2 endpoints. it should be possible to get some images out of it
<arno11> really cool
<sicelo> with the bluetooth, i would like to investigate how to provide a bluetooth address to the driver. from discussion with sre, there's a timing issue somewhere (firmware perhaps?) which will be very hard to troubleshoot
<sicelo> anyway you never know ... maybe if we provide the address early enough, it might just make all the difference in the world
<sicelo> with BT working (even if not perfectly), we would then be able to bring up the FM radio receiver :-)
<arno11> :)
<inky> > with the omap3isp patch, camera at least probes correctly now, and shows the required v4l2 endpoints. it should be possible to get some images out of it
<inky> omg
<Wizzup> my droid strangely doesn't want to connect to the network some of the time
<arno11> i also got some troubles with chimaera: disconnections, wlan1 issue. not anymore with fresh daedalus
<Wizzup> sorry, I meant the mobile network
<arno11> ah ok
<arno11> is it with ofono1 or 2 ?
<sicelo> arno11: regarding wlan1 ... someday i'll submit patch to make that problem history. we would no longer require the interface to be named wlan0
<Wizzup> ofono 2
<arno11> nice
<Wizzup> sicelo: yeah that does need fixing
<sicelo> i've looked at it a bit, and can see how we could implement it. -ETIME is the only major problem atm :-)
<sicelo> on the wlan topic, anyone has an opinion on iwd?
<Wizzup> as opposed to wpa_supplicant?
<sicelo> yes
<Wizzup> I haven't tried it, but I'd be worried about compat with older devices and how we'd do host mode
<Wizzup> and of course having to rewrite a bunch of C code :P
<sicelo> it supports hotspot. and works fine on N900, which i guess is oldest device we will ever support
<Wizzup> what makes it more suited than wpa_supplicant?
<sicelo> I don't really know 😆
<Wizzup> imo, if we wanted to swap out some things I'd want to replace PA with pipewire at some point
<sicelo> it is said to be mobile optimized (comes from ofono people)
<Wizzup> if it can do host mode in the same daemon that could be somewhat useful
<sicelo> yes, hotspot is builtin
<Wizzup> imo I'd prefer to defer just because it's more work
<sicelo> yeah, completely agree. it's a project for some future day :-)
<sicelo> never ending list
<Wizzup> I hope that at some point it won't be never ending :)
<Wizzup> but for now, YES :D
<Wizzup> if we were to set up gitea on say git.maemo.org or src.maemo.org (preferences?), should we allow openid/oauth logins from github and the like?
<sicelo> sauce.maemo.org :-)
<sicelo> jokes aside, I'd probably go for git.*
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<arno11> hmm got again that random issue when wifi burns +30mA...disappearing if i disconnect/reconnect
<sicelo> how do you correlate that to wifi?
<arno11> well, idle is around 45-47mA idle with modem on (3.5g). with wifi connected: 52-58mA
<arno11> but sometimes 85mA with wifi
<arno11> until i reconnect it
<arno11> (or until i disconnect it and idle is back to normal 45-47mA)
<sicelo> ok. maybe wpa_supplicant? we're still using same kernel from chimaera, right?
<arno11> yes same kernel
<sicelo> maybe htop or dmesg could give you clues?
<arno11> 6.6.53
<donihalim> arno11: how you measure the power consumtion?
<arno11> sicelo: no htop or dmesg unusual stuff
<arno11> donihalim: have a look in /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/
<arno11> very useful
<arno11> i.e to get quite accurate idle current draw: sleep 30 && cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/current_now
<arno11> you can even check battery health and temperature
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<donihalim> Cool, thanks for the tips
<arno11> np
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<mkf> hello
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<mkf> can the latest images be flashed on n900 or they are borken?
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<arno11> mkf: hi
<Wizzup> mkf: hi
<mkf> mkf: hi
<arno11> latest daedalus works fine but you need to edit fstab to switch to sdswap
<mkf> it uses mmc?
<Wizzup> arno11: let me see if I can figure out the rootfs-overlay
<Wizzup> I think we can modify daedalus.blend, where it rsyncs the files, and see if we can have it be more clever
<arno11> mkf: yes but just because of building issue
<arno11> Wizzup: ok
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<mkf> ok, thanks.
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<mkf> https://maedevu.maemo.org/images/n900/20250316-chimaera/ <- is this what i should download?
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<arno11> mkf: quite the same issue with last chimaera img: if you modify few files before first boot, it should be ok
<arno11> but not OOTB
<dsc_> mkf: hi
<mkf> hi: dsc_
<mkf> arno11: any noticable improvment on chimaera vs daedalus?
<mkf> i.e: better battery or better performance in n900
<arno11> things are quite similar
<mkf> okay, how should i get daedalus image?
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<donihalim> copying text from surf2 browser now works using https://github.com/cdown/clipmenu
<Wizzup> mkf: let me see if I can kick off a new build
<arno11> but better to wait for new build indeed
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<arno11> donihalim: cool
<Wizzup> https://phoenix.maemo.org/view/Images/job/leste-image-n900-daedalus/19/console looks like the latest build failed in removing the swap file from the build host lol
<Wizzup> I'll try to fix today & fix fstab
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<arno11> Wizzup: ok :)
<kiva> how newcomers can know what imege should dl with any device? How many had dl some image that does not work and gave up and newer check leste again?
<donihalim> another n900 user, cool :)
<kiva> should separate stable and dev images?
<Wizzup> I think the problem is doing swapon in the postinstall
<Wizzup> maybe we should not do that
<Wizzup> arno11 ^
<Wizzup> in leste config postinst
<Wizzup> I think mkswap and fstab writing makes sense, but swapon does it
<Wizzup> does not*
<Wizzup> agree?
<sicelo> yes, i agree
<Wizzup> will fix
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<arno11> Wizzup: let me few min to check something
<arno11> yes you're right
<arno11> that's probably the problem
<arno11> 'sw' option in fstab makes the swapon iirc
<Wizzup> no, we called swapon explicitly
<arno11> yes i know
<sicelo> what is that option? i can't find it in `man 5 fstab`
<mkf> openbsd's fstab man page does mention sw
<arno11> well, we don't need 'swapon /swap' but we need sw option
<mkf> (alongside of rw, rq, ro and xx options)
<sicelo> on my N900 i have `/swap none swap defaults 0 0`
<arno11> otherwise, there is no swap on boot at all iirc
<Wizzup> I think we have it don't we?
<arno11> yes that's what i said
<arno11> sicelo: weird, iirc it didn't work before (without sw)
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<sicelo> devuan fstab also doesn't show that 'sw' :-)
<arno11> on my ubuntu fstab, it is
<arno11> anyway, the problem seems swapon /swap
<Wizzup> back in a bit
<Wizzup> yeah, the image-builder still had it enabled as swap :D
<Wizzup> that's why the rm failed
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<arno11> sicelo: oh now i remember how it works with sw
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<arno11> if you create the swapfile yourself, you don't need the sw option. at the opposit, if the swap file is created during the postinstall, you need it
<arno11> otherwise, no swap at all
<arno11> *opposite
<donihalim> /swap is created when dist-upgrade to devel
<arno11> Wizzup: ^^^ we had this issue when we switched to emmc swap by default (see irc logs)
<arno11> donihalim: yes with chimaera, that's normal, emmc swap is still the default one without devel
<arno11> donihalim: on daedalus, default is sdswap (like chimaera -devel) because emmc is buggy with kernel 6.6
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<Wizzup> Yes, the swap file is created by postinst
<Wizzup> that is normal
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<arno11> should work fine now (hopefully)
<Wizzup> I still need to fix the fstab, but the postinst should be ok
<arno11> ah yes @fstab
<Wizzup> the problem is that our daedalus.blend just overrides the fstab regardless
<Wizzup> Maybe we have it append instead?
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<Wizzup> hm... actually... there's *two* places where we override fstab, lol
<arno11> lol
<Wizzup> arm-sdk writes it, extra/n900/etc/fstab
<Wizzup> and daedalus.blend writes it
<Wizzup> cat <<EOF | sudo tee "$strapdir/etc/fstab" >/dev/null
<Wizzup> none /sys/kernel/debug debugfs defaults 0 0
<Wizzup> # fstab for arm system
<Wizzup> /dev/mmcblk0p1 /boot ${bootfs} defaults 0 1
<Wizzup> EOF
<arno11> what a mess
<Wizzup> yup
<Wizzup> so I can change arm-sdk not to write the emmc entry, which I think is what is still present, right?
<arno11> yes agree
<sicelo> the workings of the builder seem to be a mystery to me :(
<sicelo> and i need to understand it in order to add the L5 ..
<Wizzup> it's actually not that hard, it is just a bit tricky because arm-sdk and vm-sdk aim to work to build images for devuan, regardless of maemo
<Wizzup> and then 'maemo' is added as a 'blend'
<Wizzup> so devuan has its own idea of what etc/fstab should look like
<Wizzup> and then so does maemo with its rootfs overlay, and then our .blend file (mistakenly, imo) also overrides that
<Wizzup> probably not more than 10-15 minutes of dedicated concentation to fix
<sicelo> i'll give it a closer look again
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<arno11> for an hobbyist like me, yeah indeed builder is not so complicated: it is pleasant to troubleshoot compared to deal with valgrind and memory leaks lol
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<inky> my bionic (which is stable) says it got an update for calendar and for some reason from ovi store. Is it expected?
<inky> (:
<inky> but the description is 'an open source clone of the default maemo calendar application'
<dsc_> yes calendar was updated recently
<inky> good, thank you
<dsc_> they added new days and months
<inky> the 'ovi store' made me wonder where those words come from.
<dsc_> I'm not sure about 'ovi store'
<dsc_> where do you read it?
<dsc_> what is it?
<inky> alas i didnt screenshot
<dsc_> ah nokia
<inky> when i tapped on the update indicator on the status bar it opened ham, i think, which mentioned at the top 'ovi store' and below 'calendar'.
<dsc_> but yes it was updated
<inky> good to know, thank you (:
<dsc_> yw
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<Wizzup> inky: 'ovi store' is just some translation string I think
<Wizzup> but yeah it's funny, I think it's due to the domain changes by freemangordon
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<mkf> hm, latest image doesn't work
<mkf> tries to run x11, dies somewhere before i can see a thing
<mkf> i can only see tty.
<sicelo> tty allows you to type?
<mkf> good question.
<mkf> it allows me to type
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<mkf> backend 'seatd' failde to open seat, skipping
<mkf> ... <snip> ...
<mkf> (EE) .......logind.c:137 Could not take device: no such device
<sicelo> charge the device first :-)
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<mkf> um. how?
<mkf> (maybe i should buy a seat before using modern linux, they all want seats :D)
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<sicelo> i mean, charge the battery :-)
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<mkf> oh, i read it 'change'
<mkf> thanks.
<sicelo> 5-10 minutes should be enough to get it to boot all the way
<Wizzup> 19:50 < mkf> tries to run x11, dies somewhere before i can see a thing
<Wizzup> 19:50 < mkf> i can only see tty.
<Wizzup> I think this is upower
<sicelo> yes, he needs to charge, then upower won't trouble him
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<mkf> hm, i dont have a charger, i can charge batteries
<mkf> (using a charge module)
<mkf> i wonder if that casues the phone to not calibrate and think my phone is ran out of battery
<mkf> i've tried two batteries right now.
<mkf> i recall when i used leste before it thought my battery had 0 out of 2560(?) mW, which wasn't correct (and i had a regular BL-5J), so i wonder if that's because my battery isn't calibarated in leste (i wonder how can i do so without a charger port)
<sicelo> mkf: that won't help you (charging externally) ... the problem here is that the fuel gauge, which is inside the N900, is currently reporting 0% *even if* your battery has charge
<sicelo> pre-daedalus, we had patched upower so it would ignore that 0% and instead make some estimates. we want to drop that, https://github.com/maemo-leste/bugtracker/issues/766
<mkf> given there are so many n900s with broken charger ports, is there a way for me to disable that check?
<mkf> i have two n900s and both of which have broken charger ports. :)
<sicelo> mkf: that issue details a plan we are working on to disable that check, yes
<sicelo> in the meantime, you can chmod -x the upower binary, e.g. by mounting the card on a PC
<mkf> very well. thank you.
<arno11> mkf: if you mount the card on pc, you should modify fstab to switch to sdcard swap
<arno11> (or you can do the changes from fremantle if it boots btw)
<mkf> i dont see any swap in fstab
<mkf> only /boot/efi (?) and /
<sicelo> just add a new line with `/swap none swap defaults 0 0`
<mkf> okay.
<mkf> thank you.
<arno11> mkf: /boot/efi ? wtf
<arno11> from n900 daedalus img ?
<mkf> yes.
<mkf> okay, booting with upower without execution permission still tells me no seat.
<arno11> something is wrong you should see at least /boot and emmc swap (/dev/mmcblk1p3)
<arno11> it is the correct one
<arno11> but /boot/efi is your pc's fstab, no ?
<mkf> my pc uses bios tho.
<mkf> might be thumbstick, let me recheck.
<arno11> ok
<arno11> you should see /dev/mmcblk0p1 /boot ext2
<mkf> ah. i see them.
<mkf> my bad, likely some thumb drive
<arno11> ok
<mkf> enabled swap
<mkf> i wonder why it still refuses to run x11
<sicelo> still fails the same way?
<mkf> yes.
<sicelo> sorry i wasn't too clear
<sicelo> chmod -x the upowerd binary, not upower :-)
<mkf> ah. no worries, thanks.
<mkf> x11 is up, thank you arno11, wizzup and sicelo
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<mkf> leste works reasonablely fast
<mkf> cool.
<arno11> mkf: you can even improve things with min freq @500MHz and sudo renice -n -9 $(pgrep Xorg)
<arno11> same for systemui, hildon-desktop and mce
<arno11> on each boot
<arno11> and boost mode ofc
<arno11> and low radius in transitions.ini
<arno11> (see wiki)
<arno11> the only 'major' issue we have with daedalus on n900 is slow Qt5 launch. there is a workaround but if you don't use Qt5 too much, no need
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<dsc_> i found about this upower issue today with my d4 :))
<sicelo> yeah, d4 is affected too
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