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<Wizzup>
freemangordon: not sure @ image builds
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<davidhamner>
I'd love to do a deep dive and cover Maemo Leste on my Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@davidhamner. Are there any devices that are anywhere close to daily driveable? I have a N810, N900, N9, Pinephone OG, and a Librem 5 I can flash on.
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<sicelo>
davidhamner: from your list, Pinephone OG & N900 I guess
<sicelo>
Librem 5 port still in progress (blame me)
<freemangordon>
but better find d4
<sicelo>
N9 port is stalled a little
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<donihalim>
Hi, does deleting message on the conv app doesnt work?
<Wizzup>
I think it should work, how are you deleting it?
<donihalim>
open the message and select delete chat from the menu
<donihalim>
it seems only clearing the chat
<donihalim>
sms got deleted but matrix and irc are still there
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<donihalim>
im already deleting both accounts
<Wizzup>
dsc_: ^ ?
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<dsc_>
donihalim: ill have an answer later
<dsc_>
currently fixing some other stuff @ conversations
<donihalim>
Thanks Wizzup and dsc_
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<sicelo>
lux values from ALS on N900 seem pretty accurate when the sensor is provided with calibration data from CAL
<sicelo>
I'll try to MR the required stuff soon.
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<kiva>
sicelo: Do you think that N900 can work as lux meter?
<davidhamner>
sicelo: I'll give it a go on my N900. I also noticed the matrix bridge is down, I get a spinning circle when connecting to the room "#maemo-leste:libera.chat"
<arno11>
davidhamner: note that we actually don't have n900 image working well OOTB
<sicelo>
kiva: probably not *that* accurate. i think there's a photolightmeter application in extras btw
<donihalim>
arno11: its 20240825 img that work for me
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<davidhamner>
arno11: What device has the best OOTB with a flash experience?
<davidhamner>
sicelo: I have a spare L5, if you'd like some help getting it up and running.
<arno11>
davidhamner: OOTB probably droid 4 and pinephone
<arno11>
n900 can returns good results but with a bit of work after install
<arno11>
donihalim: ok
<kiva>
davidhamner: Pinephone is easiest, but to show the power of Maemo over another phone OSs it need Pinephone keyboard.
<sicelo>
davidhamner: i do have L5 too. i'm kinda waiting for daedalus to go live, since the L5 needs newer Xorg
<davidhamner>
arno11: I'm still leaning towards the N900 as I'm rather fond of that device from the old days. The droid 4 seems like it might have network issues on T-mobile in the US. But I don't really expect much better from the N900 as both are rather old.
<sicelo>
you're in US?
<sicelo>
should be easy to get D4 then
<kiva>
D4 is usefull with Maemo even without network...you can transfer .deb packages into it with USB-stick.
<kiva>
and it's microHDMI output works better with Maemo than in any OS (including original OS).
<arno11>
davidhamner: ok i see
<kiva>
davidhamner: try that 20240825.img with N900, it is not latest but at least knowing to work.
<arno11>
hmm...yeah but not OOTB
<arno11>
and need absolutely -devel upgrade
<arno11>
anyway better to wait a good daedalus img
<davidhamner>
sicelo: 3G went away about 2 years ago for me, and with it support for most of my older devices. I'm hoping to make a video about daily driving maemo in 2025, mobile network is not a deal breaker for the video. Tho I'd love a device I can keep daily driving after.
<davidhamner>
I'm out of the loop, what is needed for daedalus to go live?
<kiva>
davidhamner: there is coming big next step for Maemo..so maybe it is better wait.
<davidhamner>
arno11: I don't really need it to work OOTB, just as long as it won't take me a week to get running. I have to be careful not to speed 3 week on a project to make a single video. :)
<arno11>
ok :)
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<kiva>
I takes under 10 minutes to get Pinephone to desktop (even not so fast internet connection for download and not so fast sd-card reader dd and push power button)
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<kiva>
(and no rush to put sd-card in Pinephone, I think I broke one Pinephone modem when I accidentally put in SIM-slot, even without powering on)
<sicelo>
yeah, common mistake with PP
<sicelo>
L5 has its own SIM/SD-slot quirk - don't ever eject them while system is powered
<Wizzup>
davidhamner: re: daedalus, a few full days of the devs attention :)
<Wizzup>
I'm already using it daily, but we need to fix some image build issue and then a few pkgs
<Wizzup>
that's it mostly
<Wizzup>
and make a news post :)
<kiva>
Sicelo: It should be like with Nokia N810. memory card accessible from outside :)
<arno11>
Wizzup: yeah :)
<sicelo>
kiva: was it the N810, or N800 that can take 2 or 3 memory cards?
<kiva>
N800 takes 2 memory cards.
<kiva>
filemanager and can access usb-sticks with right cable and you can charge with old fashion Nokia charger same time..it can be pocket fileserver ;)
<arno11>
Wizzup: btw for daedalus, i built (locally) picodrive with 'mainline' notaz last stuff and used sdl-gles to configure it. it mostly solves issues i experienced. still a bit of work (and time i don't have) but should be ok soon
<arno11>
(so pico, pcsx and drnoksnes should be ok)
<donihalim>
arno11: have you tried harvestmoon btn on pcsx? is it playable?
<sicelo>
kiva: i still would like to make OTG work on N900 with Leste. on Fremantle it could also charge while supplying power to usb sticks, etc.
<arno11>
donihalim: i didn't try it but should work fine
<donihalim>
ok
<arno11>
in fact most games work full speed
<arno11>
depending of bios and settings mostly
<Wizzup>
arno11: great :)
<Wizzup>
arno11: I'm finally with more time now :)
<kiva>
sicelo: It is not important is that real OTG..because N900 has 200mA current limit anyway, It would be fine if it works at least as it works with H-E-N. If you really needed, it worked.
<arno11>
Wizzup: ok cool :) i will try to help you with daedalus. just ping me if needed
<kiva>
sicelo: and remember test usb-stick with Fremantle first, because I remember N900 was very picky what stick works and what not..I remember that I had two Kingston sticks that looks like same, but had one letter different in model number, one worked another not and but was under current limit.
<sicelo>
can always provide external power. that worked too. i think i still have my custom made y-cable :p
<kiva>
all my uses was that usb-cable that came with N900. I just added usb-a gender changer.
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<kiva>
so no extra power..but also some (not all) mices, keyboards worked too.
<sicelo>
I even did console to Cisco routers with the N900, which always raised eyebrows
<kiva>
but that I remember with mices that all old usb-mices with ball worked..some led mouses work some not.
<kiva>
I dreamed wired video calls with usb-ethenet :) , but I newer really try harder to make it work.
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<inky>
i am trying to make that maemo update on pinephone, and i get: Unable to update 'Maemo Leste'.
<inky>
Conflict with application packages: hildon-base (1.6+m7.1)
<Wizzup>
dsc_: this should be fixed once and for all after this
<Wizzup>
but I think you run dpkg --configure --force-all gconf2
<Wizzup>
or dpkg-reconfigure --force-all gconf2
<inky>
what about 'Conflict with application packages: hildon-base (1.6+m7.1)' when doing HAM update of that maemo package?
<inky>
and when doing dist-upgrade: E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package hildon-base:arm64 due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option.
<inky>
E: Reverse conflicts early remove for package 'elogind:arm64' failed
<Wizzup>
inky: what kind of system is this?
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<dsc_>
Wizzup: ah
<dsc_>
ty
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<inky>
pinephone. maemo, chimaera. has devel enabled.
<Wizzup>
ok, so no other repos, like daedalus
<Wizzup>
and you get this when you run 'apt update; apt dist-upgrade'
<Wizzup>
please share the whole output if you can
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<freemangordon>
I made some experiments with hildon-meta, it is still not ready, obviously
<freemangordon>
do not enable -devel unless you know what you do