16:06 <SiFuh> What the fuck is 'dash' doing in core?

16:07 <SiFuh> Shouldn't it be sh?

16:48 <farkuhar> darfo's latest reply to the mailing list defends the decision of what should go into core, using the criterion "If [the maintainers] ain't having fun with CRUX they should, as a group, shrink the work as they see fit." Although the applicability of this criterion to dash/sh is doubtful, at least in the case of linux-pam he seems to be saying it would be too much work to patch all the ports affected by removal of PAM.

16:49 <SiFuh> farkuhar: emmett1 was explaining to me about the dash/sh thing just now

16:50 <farkuhar> Compared to the patching effort needed to accommodate replacing glibc with musl, patching the ports affected by removal of PAM should be much easier.

16:50 <SiFuh> farkuhar: Stenur rides a bicycle. Has a licence for 125 but doesn't ride. He wants a Royal Endfield Interceptor which is pretty cool ;-)

16:50 <SiFuh> farkuhar: There is almost no patching for musl at the moment

16:51 <SiFuh> I am currently compiling a kernel for it. I want to transfer to bare metal and do a real bootstrap. Because currently the kmod segfaults and I realised that emmett1 didn't do the bootstrap like we do in CRUX. He did a shorter version. When I recompiled musl. The entire system broke.

16:53 <farkuhar> Creating a manageable workload is actually darfo's stronger argument. He's on weaker ground when he suggests that the recent accusations of core being bloated by linux-pam are all motivated by a desire to run CRUX on embedded systems.

16:55 <SiFuh> farkuhar: Yes I understood the first two times

16:55 <farkuhar> What do you call that debating tactic? A strawman argument?

16:56 <serpente> patch ports? its basically remove "--enable-pam" from shadow port

16:56 <SiFuh> I call it limited perspective or a short sighted opinion

16:56 <serpente> those acusations are heavily embased

17:04 <farkuhar> SiFuh: "the first two times" were in a private chat. I'm repeating myself here to reach a wider audience, without cluttering up the mailing list and continuing the derailment of that thread.

17:06 <SiFuh> farkuhar: Your apology is accepted ;-)

17:34 <farkuhar> I might as well share something else that came up in a private chat, then. The tornado outbreak that devastated Oklahoma last weekend only brought wind and rain to jaeger's location, not an extended interruption of the electric grid. https://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/archive/event.php?date=20240427

17:37 <SiFuh> farkuhar: Isn't that the path the eclipse followed?

17:38 <farkuhar> SiFuh: it looks pretty similar, doesn't it?

17:46 <SiFuh> farkuhar: Yes, those Jewish space lasers are at it again.

17:46 <SiFuh> HAHAHAHA

17:47 <SiFuh> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt30808249/

17:48 <SiFuh> This has to be one of the worst bullshit lying propagander documentaries ever

17:51 <SiFuh> Arnold & Sly: Rivals, Friends, Icons (2024) was actually interesting even though I can't stand Arnold