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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> well at least you're smooth
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> oh and bob seger
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> lol
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I was able to reclaim my Stroh's bottle opener from work too
<lanefu>
hell yeah
<archetech>
lol@keystone water flav beer
<archetech>
beer flav water
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<lanefu>
yeah i mean its defintely a session beer
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<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Anybody own a pinebook pro?
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Can it use the LCD and HDMI display at the same time?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Werner> @NicoD has pbp
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> I wanna know if rk3399 can do HDMI and eDP at the same time.
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<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> it should be able to but ed work on rk3399 is still under dev
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> usb-c dp and hdmi work side by dies
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> edp and hdmi or edp and usc-c dp should work side by side
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<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> I'll try to test this weekend
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> The RK3399 has 2 video output processors, one is 4k one is 2k. So yes, as long as the device tree and drivers aren't crap
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Lol can it or will it
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> By default the Armbian bullseye desktop comes with a lot of application pre-installed. How can I reduce it to the minimum?
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> You can customize the package lists in the builder
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> I did but still a lot of application installed.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> For only 72 monthly installments of 29.95 you too can own a big-ass SoM you need to buy RAM and a carrier board for
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> ;-)
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Hahaha
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Hey man I'll take 1000 over 10000
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Did they just rip off connectors from a ITX motherboard and call it a SoM.
<lanefu>
lol
<Armbian-Discord>
<NicoD> @kprasadvnsi The PBP can do HDMI out. But there's a catch. When I run with my USB-C to HDMI connector the PBP often stops charging from the charging port. Sometimes it is charging, but most of the time not. That's the main reason I don't use it daily. With what I do the battery drains rather quick. Tho when I'm using it as 2nd fiddle just for coding and light browsing or so then it can last a whole day.
<Armbian-Discord>
<NicoD> Charging I mean with the barrel jack.
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> I thought pbp has a HDMI port but I guess it doesn't.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> 🤔
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> yeah it's all from USB-C
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> thats why hte make the 'pine dock" or whatever
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> basically the typle usb-c dock style stuff applies like most laptops
<Armbian-Discord>
<NicoD> No HDMI, with USB-C to HDMI you can use a display.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Yeah but if the usb-c adapter does not advertise PD source it should not switch charge from the barrel
<Armbian-Discord>
<NicoD> I've got a cable from USB-C to HDMI. That way no other cables are needed. But I can't use it for more than a few hours like that since battery drain.
<Armbian-Discord>
<NicoD> I don't know why it does that. I've always got a usb voltage meter in between my power cable, and it just goes to 0A
<Armbian-Discord>
<NicoD> What I do not know is if my display provides some power. Maybe too little to charge. That's something I could check.
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Can I talk about a chip that may or may not exist yet😆
<Armbian-Discord>
<NicoD> RK3588?
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Nop, it's from Allwinner.
<Armbian-Discord>
<NicoD> I've no clue what they've got. Never been interesting to me since I want CPU performance.
<Armbian-Discord>
<NicoD> And I also don't know how that works out with ARM China being pirated. Does allwinner use their cores or the real ARM cores. Can we trust Chinese SoC makers?
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> I am pretty sure they are not using the pirated Arm IP.
<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> Pirated Arm IP is only practical within China.
<[TheBug]>
Are they wearing an eye patch and saying "Arrrrr" ?
<Armbian-Discord>
<NicoD> Yes they are, and have a parrot on their shoulders
<[TheBug]>
lol
<[TheBug]>
actually I guess it would have been funnier if I said "Arrrrrrm" in retrospect... but i digress
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> they have the rights to it-ish
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> and they won't have armv9
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> arm64 v20
<Armbian-Discord>
<NicoD> It is a strange thing. Also wonder how that works with the NVIDIA buy, the company isn't what they bargained for.
<[TheBug]>
ohh if they could purchase it they wouldn't even care
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I haven't looked into this that closely, but with the China branch going off like that they'll have "competition" in things that probably aren't that critical for roughly 1 generation of devices
<[TheBug]>
Nvidia Shield Pro would come out and clean out the whole market
<[TheBug]>
and they would block all other companies from using the IP
<[TheBug]>
why you think UK got their panties in a bunch
<Armbian-Discord>
<NicoD> China wants their own chip architectures. And for that the ARM holding can help.
<[TheBug]>
they are already doing that for x86
<[TheBug]>
and they are still pretty behind there
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Yes. However, China has a LONG history of "acquiring" technologies and outright failing to develop them
<Armbian-Discord>
<NicoD> Indeed, but usable.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Useable but not competitive is 🤷🏼♂️
<[TheBug]>
man was watching thing other day where they spent all the money funding real estate companies that could never complete the building projects
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> their forte is econimization not innovation to say the least
<[TheBug]>
and I guess the other day they blew up like a whole block of unfinished skyscrapers because the company went bankrupt
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I have a few Chinese engines. They are clones of Honda GX200's. Chinese jet engines are Soviet clones that perform worse than the original
<[TheBug]>
they having some real issues right now
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> This is normal
<Armbian-Discord>
<NicoD> They are no competition. But they don't want to be. Their market is at home.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> They won't develop on top of the ARM IP at all, simply sell it until it's no longer relevant
<[TheBug]>
this ^
<Armbian-Discord>
<NicoD> Should we be talking about that? I bet someone's listening 😆
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> 🤷🏼♂️. I'm simply saying other than direct losses from investment in the joint venture ARM is fine
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> we are a arm above the rest
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> lol
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> out the door
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> China can have all the outdated ARM cores it wants for it's unbelievably fragmented markets and everyone else moves on
<Armbian-Discord>
<NicoD> It shouldn't cost an ARM and leg either
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> 😂
<[TheBug]>
lanefu is old enough to hear this, we don't have to cover his ears ;p
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> ARM_CN application cores and risc-V supervisor/microcontroller cores will be typical I guess
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Eapressif might finally use an "ARM" core
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> 🤔😆
<[TheBug]>
lets just hope they don't use "LEG" cores, I am sure that would cost you both and ARM and a LEG
* [TheBug]
bows
<[TheBug]>
ill be here all day folks
* [TheBug]
realizes he isn't funny and wonders off
<Armbian-Discord>
<NicoD> lol
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> [TheBug] went to the pub for breakfast again
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<Armbian-Discord>
<kprasadvnsi> And here I thought I am gonna talk about some chips🤦
<lanefu>
lol
<[TheBug]>
Mmmm chips.
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> that would hit the spot
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> chips and gravy
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> You take some cheese curd and gravy...
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<nekomancer[m]>
G day
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<[TheBug]>
G'day nekomancer[m]
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<TRS-80>
Happy Friday, fellow wizards!
<jock>
happy friday :)
<TRS-80>
IS IgorPec sleeping yet?
<TRS-80>
I just read (in Pine64 community update, dated 2021-09-15) that Pine64 will be offering bounties in their new Dev Zone (which they announced maybe last month).
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Project for next week
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Spilling blood everywhere, power steering pressure line 'splosion
<TRS-80>
piece of cake (maybe?)
* TRS-80
can't wait to build huge pole barn shop
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Yeah I need to save a bit more so I can get the property to build a proper shop
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> With a lift
<TRS-80>
now we are talkin
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> My kingdom for a lift
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I'll need to use the flare wrenches on these and I'm hoping there's enough room.
<TRS-80>
move out to boonies where land (and property taxes) are cheap
<TRS-80>
work remote
<TRS-80>
this is my plan
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Haha well I can move a wee bit north and that's pretty much the situation
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> We're at 50% in office starting next month, I'm arguing for 1 day a week
<TRS-80>
you are right of course
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> A lot of other groups set it up that way already
<TRS-80>
the emperor has no clothes
<TRS-80>
no one needs to go into office any more
<TRS-80>
they have been exposed by the Kung Flu
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I did miss having access to the lab, but really I'm only missing 2 pieces of equipment to have a better setup I'm my basement
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> In*
<TRS-80>
even in this hypothetical self sufficent situation, life is not long enough to acquire everything one might need/want
<TRS-80>
so I envision getting together with few like minded people, one guy has a Bridgeport lathe, another a trackhoe, etc... and we all help each other out
<nekomancer[m]>
it's communism.
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<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> We're only allowed 2 days a week at my office
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Trs_80.gonna get 3 phase power?
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> Lanefu you work
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> I thought you just sleep walk throu it
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Lol nekomancer[m] it's cooperation without anyone holding a gun to anyone else's head
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Lol
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> The voluntary exchange of goods and services is capitalism :-P
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<nekomancer[m]>
It's illegal.
<nekomancer[m]>
all exchange should be done via gov authorities.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> LOL
<nekomancer[m]>
to prevent money laundering, terrorist finance, and hide taxes.
<nekomancer[m]>
sorry for poor english
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> The government are the corrupt laundering terrorists
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> :-)
<nekomancer[m]>
in my country lot of people can't send money in banks to non-official-registered wifes without second tax. Only official wife can get money from another human and not pay tax.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> That's a lot of tax
<nekomancer[m]>
sure
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