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<lanefu> piece of cake
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Can anyone explain how you magically don't have a device tree in most of these? 🤔
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> (too lazy to read imposed standards)
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Wait, need to edit that last one
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<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> oh you bastardize u-boot until UEFI works
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> "bastardize" might not be a strong enough word
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> and it has device tree, so ok...
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> go talk shit https://twitter.com/ArmSoftwareDev/status/1438658964556763136
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> lol
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Man I have enough angry people
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> have you been called a stain on the open source community yet?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> hmmm no
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> you got work to do
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> i mean in theory system ready would put us out of business
<Armbian-Discord> Command sent by lanefu
<Armbian-Discord> ....but
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> NOT REALLY
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> eben upton said he was very disappointed in a conversation I was in with 3-4 other people on Twitter once
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> LOL
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> it went something like "someth something crypto chip something something camera something something bad"
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> okay you win
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> thats better than some redditor neckbeard calling me a stain
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> hahahaha
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> needs to trim neck part of beard
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> man
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> yeah i had to stop looking crazy cuz i'm a practice manager now and it sucks
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I apparently need to re-enter the office in october
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> now, I did cut the hair a couple months ago because hot
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> and I was starting to look like a 1970's country singer
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> my wife's company keeps having to kick the can down the road for goingn back
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> well, either that, or the singer for Kansas
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> haha
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> i wish i looked like Jerry Reed
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> lol
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> oh no, Robby Steinhardt passed away in July
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> dude
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> lol
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> i totally see it
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> hahaha
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> is what my friends told me
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> well at least you're smooth
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> oh and bob seger
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> lol
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I was able to reclaim my Stroh's bottle opener from work too
<lanefu> hell yeah
<archetech> lol@keystone water flav beer
<archetech> beer flav water
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<lanefu> yeah i mean its defintely a session beer
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<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> Anybody own a pinebook pro?
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> Can it use the LCD and HDMI display at the same time?
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> @NicoD has pbp
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> I wanna know if rk3399 can do HDMI and eDP at the same time.
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<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> it should be able to but ed work on rk3399 is still under dev
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> usb-c dp and hdmi work side by dies
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> edp and hdmi or edp and usc-c dp should work side by side
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<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> I'll try to test this weekend
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> The RK3399 has 2 video output processors, one is 4k one is 2k. So yes, as long as the device tree and drivers aren't crap
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Lol can it or will it
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> By default the Armbian bullseye desktop comes with a lot of application pre-installed. How can I reduce it to the minimum?
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> You can customize the package lists in the builder
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> I did but still a lot of application installed.
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Which desktop
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> XFCE
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> If that is still too much you could probably edit here: https://github.com/armbian/build/blob/master/config/desktop/buster/environments/xfce/config_base/packages and remove packages you do not want.
<Armbian-Discord> Command sent by lanefu
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> For only 72 monthly installments of 29.95 you too can own a big-ass SoM you need to buy RAM and a carrier board for
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> ;-)
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Hahaha
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Hey man I'll take 1000 over 10000
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> Did they just rip off connectors from a ITX motherboard and call it a SoM.
<lanefu> lol
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> @kprasadvnsi The PBP can do HDMI out. But there's a catch. When I run with my USB-C to HDMI connector the PBP often stops charging from the charging port. Sometimes it is charging, but most of the time not. That's the main reason I don't use it daily. With what I do the battery drains rather quick. Tho when I'm using it as 2nd fiddle just for coding and light browsing or so then it can last a whole day.
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> Charging I mean with the barrel jack.
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> I thought pbp has a HDMI port but I guess it doesn't.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 🤔
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> yeah it's all from USB-C
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> thats why hte make the 'pine dock" or whatever
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> basically the typle usb-c dock style stuff applies like most laptops
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> No HDMI, with USB-C to HDMI you can use a display.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Yeah but if the usb-c adapter does not advertise PD source it should not switch charge from the barrel
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> I've got a cable from USB-C to HDMI. That way no other cables are needed. But I can't use it for more than a few hours like that since battery drain.
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> I don't know why it does that. I've always got a usb voltage meter in between my power cable, and it just goes to 0A
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> What I do not know is if my display provides some power. Maybe too little to charge. That's something I could check.
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> Can I talk about a chip that may or may not exist yet😆
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> RK3588?
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> Nop, it's from Allwinner.
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> I've no clue what they've got. Never been interesting to me since I want CPU performance.
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> And I also don't know how that works out with ARM China being pirated. Does allwinner use their cores or the real ARM cores. Can we trust Chinese SoC makers?
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> I am pretty sure they are not using the pirated Arm IP.
<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> Pirated Arm IP is only practical within China.
<[TheBug]> Are they wearing an eye patch and saying "Arrrrr" ?
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> Yes they are, and have a parrot on their shoulders
<[TheBug]> lol
<[TheBug]> actually I guess it would have been funnier if I said "Arrrrrrm" in retrospect... but i digress
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> @NicoD armv8 isnt pirated
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> they have the rights to it-ish
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> and they won't have armv9
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> arm64 v20
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> It is a strange thing. Also wonder how that works with the NVIDIA buy, the company isn't what they bargained for.
<[TheBug]> ohh if they could purchase it they wouldn't even care
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I haven't looked into this that closely, but with the China branch going off like that they'll have "competition" in things that probably aren't that critical for roughly 1 generation of devices
<[TheBug]> Nvidia Shield Pro would come out and clean out the whole market
<[TheBug]> and they would block all other companies from using the IP
<[TheBug]> why you think UK got their panties in a bunch
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> China wants their own chip architectures. And for that the ARM holding can help.
<[TheBug]> they are already doing that for x86
<[TheBug]> and they are still pretty behind there
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Yes. However, China has a LONG history of "acquiring" technologies and outright failing to develop them
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> Indeed, but usable.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Useable but not competitive is 🤷🏼‍♂️
<[TheBug]> man was watching thing other day where they spent all the money funding real estate companies that could never complete the building projects
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> their forte is econimization not innovation to say the least
<[TheBug]> and I guess the other day they blew up like a whole block of unfinished skyscrapers because the company went bankrupt
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I have a few Chinese engines. They are clones of Honda GX200's. Chinese jet engines are Soviet clones that perform worse than the original
<[TheBug]> they having some real issues right now
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> This is normal
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> They are no competition. But they don't want to be. Their market is at home.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> They won't develop on top of the ARM IP at all, simply sell it until it's no longer relevant
<[TheBug]> this ^
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> Should we be talking about that? I bet someone's listening 😆
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 🤷🏼‍♂️. I'm simply saying other than direct losses from investment in the joint venture ARM is fine
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> we are a arm above the rest
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> lol
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> out the door
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> China can have all the outdated ARM cores it wants for it's unbelievably fragmented markets and everyone else moves on
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> It shouldn't cost an ARM and leg either
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😂
<[TheBug]> lanefu is old enough to hear this, we don't have to cover his ears ;p
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> ARM_CN application cores and risc-V supervisor/microcontroller cores will be typical I guess
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Eapressif might finally use an "ARM" core
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 🤔😆
<[TheBug]> lets just hope they don't use "LEG" cores, I am sure that would cost you both and ARM and a LEG
* [TheBug] bows
<[TheBug]> ill be here all day folks
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<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> lol
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> [TheBug] went to the pub for breakfast again
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<Armbian-Discord> <k​prasadvnsi> And here I thought I am gonna talk about some chips🤦
<lanefu> lol
<[TheBug]> Mmmm chips.
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> that would hit the spot
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> chips and gravy
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> You take some cheese curd and gravy...
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<jock> hello!
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<[TheBug]> G'Day Jock
<jock> hi Bug1
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<nekomancer[m]> G day
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<[TheBug]> G'day nekomancer[m]
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<TRS-80> Happy Friday, fellow wizards!
<jock> happy friday :)
<TRS-80> IS IgorPec sleeping yet?
<TRS-80> I just read (in Pine64 community update, dated 2021-09-15) that Pine64 will be offering bounties in their new Dev Zone (which they announced maybe last month).
* TRS-80 raises beer bottle in jock's direction
<TRS-80> nekomancer[m]: wtf I don't get it, Pixel were always Google original chips (actually not sure)? Anyway... just marketing I guess?
<nekomancer[m]> sure
<nekomancer[m]> just friday
<TRS-80> Cheers!
* TRS-80 raises beer in direction if nekomancer[m]
<TRS-80> :)
<TRS-80> Also why black woman in Japan of all places? That doesn't play the same over there as it does in US for example.
<nekomancer[m]> Thanks
<nekomancer[m]> Bcause americans popular in japan
<nekomancer[m]> And black popular in us
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Oh holy shit
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Lol
* TRS-80 always loves that reaction when popping up like a gopher out of a hole every several months
<TRS-80> never gets old
* TRS-80 raises beer in Tonymac32 direction (of course)
<TRS-80> also, your gaytway breaks nick autocomplete from the IRC side
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Cheers, and I would assume so
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Since I'm not technically alive over there
<TRS-80> disdain.jpg
* TRS-80 is only going further down the original Internet protocols rabbit hole, and just stated using Gnus for email and news
<TRS-80> Incidentally, somehow reading the manual for that ends up in reading the related RFCs; all of which are implemented faithfully, of course.
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Project for next week
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Spilling blood everywhere, power steering pressure line 'splosion
<TRS-80> piece of cake (maybe?)
* TRS-80 can't wait to build huge pole barn shop
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Yeah I need to save a bit more so I can get the property to build a proper shop
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> With a lift
<TRS-80> now we are talkin
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> My kingdom for a lift
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I'll need to use the flare wrenches on these and I'm hoping there's enough room.
<TRS-80> move out to boonies where land (and property taxes) are cheap
<TRS-80> work remote
<TRS-80> this is my plan
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Haha well I can move a wee bit north and that's pretty much the situation
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> We're at 50% in office starting next month, I'm arguing for 1 day a week
<TRS-80> you are right of course
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> A lot of other groups set it up that way already
<TRS-80> the emperor has no clothes
<TRS-80> no one needs to go into office any more
<TRS-80> they have been exposed by the Kung Flu
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I did miss having access to the lab, but really I'm only missing 2 pieces of equipment to have a better setup I'm my basement
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> In*
<TRS-80> even in this hypothetical self sufficent situation, life is not long enough to acquire everything one might need/want
<TRS-80> so I envision getting together with few like minded people, one guy has a Bridgeport lathe, another a trackhoe, etc... and we all help each other out
<nekomancer[m]> it's communism.
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<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> We're only allowed 2 days a week at my office
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Trs_80.gonna get 3 phase power?
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> Lanefu you work
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> I thought you just sleep walk throu it
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Lol nekomancer[m] it's cooperation without anyone holding a gun to anyone else's head
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Lol
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> The voluntary exchange of goods and services is capitalism :-P
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<nekomancer[m]> It's illegal.
<nekomancer[m]> all exchange should be done via gov authorities.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> LOL
<nekomancer[m]> to prevent money laundering, terrorist finance, and hide taxes.
<nekomancer[m]> sorry for poor english
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> The government are the corrupt laundering terrorists
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> :-)
<nekomancer[m]> in my country lot of people can't send money in banks to non-official-registered wifes without second tax. Only official wife can get money from another human and not pay tax.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> That's a lot of tax
<nekomancer[m]> sure
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